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Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Bartholin on April 13, 2007, 05:12:54 am
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I happen to name a few bad player names almost everytime i log on, however i notice that the names giving around arnt that friendly with the naming polcy. Naming polcy stats something along the lines of "Your name can not be composed of words or verbs, adjectives" Names such as Razorclaw, Goldsmith, and countless others are infact against namming policy. Though i do not know about Razorclaw being renamed to that i know for sure that Goldsmith was. Are last names exsempt from the rules then? And while im on the subject, why is it that older players who managed to sneak by with a name like Funny Shorts are allowed to keep thier names becuase they managed to run past you gms? Surly this shouldnt be alloud. A bad name should be changed reguardless of amount of time spent ingame. I dont agree with this policy of allowing those who sneaked past the gms long enough to be rewarded with keeping thier names intact even though i am SURE that a person would not have such a name, or even a name such as Tibey Tibey or Mot Mot (same first and last name). A complete overhual is seems is needed of the naming policy. I have since stopped reporting bad names since half of them have "been playing for awhile now" - Nameless gm/s.
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Mot Mot
You don't even want to know what that word is slang for where I am from. ;D
Yes Bartholin there's one or two older players with names that might warrant a change but did you ever consider that in all the time they've played no-one has complained of the name because in reality they probably don't know that it was so-and-so from 718 BC.
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Mot Mot
You don't even want to know what that word is slang for where I am from. ;D
Yes Bartholin there's one or two older players with names that might warrant a change but did you ever consider that in all the time they've played no-one has complained of the name because in reality they probably don't know that it was so-and-so from 718 BC.
however, thier name does infact violate naming policy and when i saw them I complained, reason for not being changed? "Logging more then 1hr on server" basicly name a char "shit brains" and chill out in the dungeon for a day, gms let ya keep it. tisk tisk. *name wouldnt be allowed to keep though it is an extreme example of what happens*
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I'm struggling to think of who you might mean when you say older players... Most of the ones I know are within the naming policy. Motmot is not within the policy to me but it's only because it's used nastily were I am from, i'm sure it's just a nonsense word to most. My name was changed within 3 days of playin'. I think it was something stupid like Huntington ;D. Thankyou whoever changed my name, Huntington is not the best of names.
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I'm struggling to think of who you might mean when you say older players... Most of the ones I know are within the naming policy. Motmot is not within the policy to me but it's only because it's used nastily were I am from, i'm sure it's just a nonsense word to most. My name was changed within 3 days of playin'. I think it was something stupid like Huntington ;D. Thankyou whoever changed my name, Huntington is not the best of names.
Olderplayers = "Any player having logged a total or excess of 1 hr on the server in game." - Nameless GM.
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Not true... I've seen a few names changed after they have been around for a week or two. The most recent was a guy who'd played for months and posted wanting to know why. He wouldn't post his name though so i'll never know if it indeed needed changing for breaking the policy and I believe he posted a farewell a few days later after it wasn't changed back.
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Olderplayers = "Any player having logged a total or excess of 1 hr on the server in game." - Nameless GM.
We actually work to 100 hours logged not 1 on the basis that if no one has complained with in that timescale then no one is upset by it, however offensive or names which are outside the guidelines will still be changed regardless of time logged.
Any ambiguous names are discussed between gms before action is taken.
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Not true... I've seen a few names changed after they have been around for a week or two. The most recent was a guy who'd played for months and posted wanting to know why. He wouldn't post his name though so i'll never know if it indeed needed changing for breaking the policy and I believe he posted a farewell a few days later after it wasn't changed back.
I saw that :D, but again, i do not know the reasons as to why the gms "limit" changing them. I find it wrong and thus i post about it :D i beleave if a person plays for idk.. 3 months.. the lower lvs can not change that players name, and would have to wait for a higher up to look into it, which then they forget, so say to them selfs "WHy bother with it?" idk. Just something to look into.
/me Logs off from the forums and turns on Berserk, his new favorite anime.
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Olderplayers = "Any player having logged a total or excess of 1 hr on the server in game." - Nameless GM.
We actually work to 100 hours logged not 1 on the basis that if no one has complained with in that timescale then no one is upset by it, however offensive or names which are outside the guidelines will still be changed regardless of time logged.
Any ambiguous names are discussed between gms before action is taken.
Ah, thank you. 1hr was just a extreme guess :) I do beleave that gms arnt all bad :) though some are rather sour to players, others quite plesent, those being hard not to want to talk to about other non related gm matters :) But yes, thanks for a gm's input.
[ Please avoid making one post right after the other in the same thread. Just "Modify" your first post to add more information. --Karyuu ]
{sorry bout that. ty]
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Hmm, I still can't get my head round the complaint...
From what i've seen Planeshift has a great naming policy and the most ridiculous of names that would be accepted into many MMORPG's are not readily accepted here. You do not walk around seeing lots of offensive or plain ridiculous names and any that are reported to GM's are dealt with.
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Last names are indeed exempt from the "word combinations" rule, as they are more likely to be ornate and tribal-like in their sounding. Our naming policy is extremely similar to that from any other MMORPG. And in fact we enforce it stronger than anywhere I've seen.
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Neither Razorclaw (including razor and claw) nor Goldsmith (including gold and smith) are verbs or adjectives. Furthermore, if Razorclaw would violate the naming policy, it would have for years already (in case of Verrliit), and you would be the first who realised that...
And in medieval times, it was quite usual to have a name related to a job, or unique attributes.
The reasons for such a strict policy are only few: Avoid conflicts with trademarked or famous names, avoid blatant nonsense and offense.
And it does not prevent some people from playing with the meaning... for example, I enjoyed the meaning of "Solita Desolo" a lot, and it is still a valid name.
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"Your name can not be composed of words or verbs, adjectives"
Are last names exempt from the rules then?
I would assume that last names are exempt in some cases but not all (obviously, if the last name is vulgar, that's a problem)--in medieval times, you would go to John Smith to put shoes on your horse, make your tools, and the like: last names were often job titles. In that case, a last name being a description of what someone does, perhaps including a verb and noun, such as my own "Windfollower" (one who follows the wind, a name with a bit of a story behind it that I won't bother to type out).
Neither Razorclaw (including razor and claw) nor Goldsmith (including gold and smith) are verbs or adjectives.
In Razorclaw, unless you're talking about the device used to shave one's face, razor is an adjective meaning "sharp". Other then that, valid point. *knows he is nitpicking, promises not to do it again*
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I would assume that last names are exempt in some cases but not all (obviously, if the last name is vulgar, that's a problem)--in medieval times, you would go to John Smith to put shoes on your horse, make your tools, and the like: last names were often job titles. In that case, a last name being a description of what someone does, perhaps including a verb and noun, such as my own "Windfollower" (one who follows the wind, a name with a bit of a story behind it that I won't bother to type out).
Smith is a actual last name though. :) what about John Blacksmith? And then i spose i could have a name of Phil Killer then? its a job title.. being a killer. (i think) in medieval times people used job titles but only at thier job/ work. Thier wife wasnt called Marry Blacksmith but w.e her real last name was. But i spose some things must be giving le way when in a game ;)
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We're not dropping all name rules for last names, just the word combinations once. Your last name still cannot be a title.
Acceptable: Goldfeather, Leafeye, Doomthunder, Bloodscream, Warfang, Winterhand.
Unacceptable: Thief, Sungod, Annihilator, Necromancer, Madman, Immortal.
If it's an actual job/trade description rather than something more "poetic" sounding, let's say, better to avoid it - even if that was commonplace in the medieval era on Earth.
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One of my earlier friends in PlaneShift was "Rolf Blacksmith" - there was no reason to rename him...
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:whistling: Planeshift policies are very strict (And I support that, cause hey, I didn't made the game and therefor am not the one making the rules)
In fact they are even harder then RL, I know some people who have, very strange last names [in RL] translated to english "Born naked" [Naakt geboren] "Change" [kleingeld] (like money change ;) )"poo-digger" [schijtruimer] ;D And I'm sure there are more obscure lastnames in RL then there are offensive names in PS, they (the peoples of PS responisible for carrying this out) are doing a great job I would say! Remember, Even Superman could be eveywere to change peoples name all the time, he had important issues ;)
And not all 'offensive' or 'policy-exceeding' name can be recognized by GM's... Cause Socius was first known as 'Knabbel' a famous dutch squirrel (one of these two two (http://www.disneygifjes.nl/knabbel_en_babbel/disney.php?gallery=knabbel_en_babbel) ) I mean, not EVERY GM knows 'Knabbel'is a famous Cartoon squirrel in Holland :P it took them more the 1.5 months to track me down ;) But in the end I'm pretty happy they did :lol: Socius rockus, is much nicer then Knabbel :P
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Ohh im going to make a dude named fletcher! seeing as tanner is already taken... and blacksmith is taken... or how about poletunnler? Or perhaps johnneey appleseed?
People need to get origonal with names I can run through 50 completely origonal names right here right now.
1. Garglathin
2. Slithoden
3. Venicras
4. Vanckamite
6. Uoldroc
7. Corganis
8. Leluonth
9. Spernatoli
10. Indegik
11. Tiglath
12. Shervodith
13. Enzydia
14. Cremadion
15. Shyvith
16. Dolatirigy
17. Izvarg
18. Boldon
19. Carkerica
20. Zephitho
21. Gorgimus
22. Shaluthti
23. Vangol
24. Ceptli
25. Cerlithol
26. Sezrenade
27. Gackvye
28. Victrith
29. Scevar
30. Odlyuis
31. Harlock
32. Whyve
33. Jevarl
34. Dannlith
35. Philiosus
36. Tyverkol
37. Enjardi
38. Quarckium
39. Soluthio
40. Jervaith
41. Kornadel
42. Midol
43. Sharvique
44. Sevarithoul
45. Kirlathye
46. Donolu
47. Chickvarthaya
48. Shurrolk
49. Hioldith
50. Derlaye
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Of course its taken im the one and only Tanner
and iv been playing for like over 200 hours and no one changed it \\o//
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Tanning is also a proffession performed by a tanner, who skins cattle in order to form leather.
And the fact that the gms don't see this is proof of their never ending stu-....
*Listabrd gets snipped by a GM loyalist*
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Are you sure you are not zanzibar? Uh, no, his endless complaints are a little more stylish! ;) ;)
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Earl_Listbard: Are you sure you are comfortable sliding insults into your post at the people who are trying to give to the community? You know, just checking (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7151/pleasedhc3.gif) Our teams are far from perfect, but be careful how you word things. I don't want hurt feelings from anyone.
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Karyuu,
Have you noticed how discussing GM actions with players solves absolutely nothing, and just creates many newer, smaller arguments about sub-aspects of the first argument? :-)
This thread is a perfect example of why we (mostly) don't discuss GM actions.
- Venge
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Have you noticed how discussing GM actions with players solves absolutely nothing, and just creates many newer, smaller arguments about sub-aspects of the first argument? :-)
Well, the arguments would be there regardless, just less public they were not discussed on the forums. It doesn't always solve anything either, true, but that doesn't mean a discussion is worthless, though it often is for the most part. It should be relatively easy to identify useless discussions and simply avoid taking part in them from a developer/mod/gm standpoint, aside from when moderator action becomes necessary through the course of monitoring some lame discussion.
Sure some discussions are pointless, some are annoying, some just long diatribes of personal woes and blah blah blah. That said the overwhelming abundance of worthless discussions and arguments doesn't mean they all go nowhere and all create newer, smaller arguments. I think you overgeneralize people a bit sometimes :) Not all of us are DeathKillerZ_477 hanging out going lolz omg! Gm'z are teh suckz!!!
OK maybe I am but that doesn't mean everyone is :D
This thread is a perfect example of why we (mostly) don't discuss GM actions.
Thats really not unreasonable. Players will discuss it amongst themselves or here on the forums and thats normal and fine so long as it doesn't get out of hand, For the most part GM's and other authority within the community shouldn't have to defend every little action taken. So long as the GMs are not an entity without any accountability to the community (there should be at least some) then there shouldn't be a problem.
Naming policy has been discussed a ton anyways, and for the better in my opinion. The rules loosened slightly which needed to happen, that or the GM's relaxed a bit, and for a while all was good. Now complaints tend to run the other direction, for not being strict enough. Most discussions now really are mostly just good reading for GM's when the get the chance, if only to help gain perspective on balance. To mosts eyes the scale will always be tipping one way or the other so long as there are no dead weights :D Still I think the naming issue has improved a good deal and this I am fairly certain was brought on by discussion of GM actions. GM's are here for the community I think, so when the community speaks and the team listens then its a good thing. We're all one, just not one and the same ;)
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Aren't there better things to complain about?
The naming policy as I understand it is to prevent people from naming their characters "King Of All Media", "Killer Queen", "Linux Rulez", "1337 Haxors", and the like. It also encourages unique names.
Yes the list of 50 that was just made shows it is easy to be original, but most names in reality are NOT original names, but are taken from things Mommy liked or places or job functions: Ruby, Heather, Paris, Cooper...
In fact, one of the most popular books is 1001 Baby Names WITH THE DEFINITIONS OF THE NAMES! "Let's name him Richard honey, it means stern ruler."
To name your character something that has no meaning is AGAINST real life naming conventions and just as unlikely to have occurred in Ylikum's society. "The vigisemi hereby passes a law that ALL newborns must have totally unique names by penalty of death!"
I'm not saying the rule should be changed, I'm saying that if the player has made a reasonable attempt to use a "different" name, it should be allowed. I also think the gm's understand this rule and do a good job of implementing it.
Find something new to complain about.
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I'm not saying the rule should be changed, I'm saying that if the player has made a reasonable attempt to use a "different" name, it should be allowed. I also think the gm's understand this rule and do a good job of implementing it.
Aye they do do a good job these days, I have not seen much to complain about in that department myself. Of course its a subjective thing so people will always be a little taken aback from time to time but that is to be expected.
There was a time when names like Ishita was considered offensive, and Eifell considered too close to the Eiffel Tower and were renamed and in my opinion that was being a bit picky. Things have improved a lot though, many rules get stabilized and to a fairly accepted point through trial and error at times. In the end it tends to work itself out :)