PlaneShift
Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Psignosis on July 09, 2007, 06:09:04 pm
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I've been an on and off player of Planeshift for ages. I remember eight people sitting around a single rat, and taking turns to earn experience. It was really funny actually.
I'm not speaking for everyone else's opinions but gamewise, the moment you start getting into the game you come across functionality that hasn't been programmed or designed. It kind of dampens your interest to a point. To make up for this, the game masters propose the concept of role play which is paramount to story telling. That is, sitting around and spouting make believe stories and running around on made up quests etc. Um, and whilst I find this nice, looking back... the thought of role playing for the two years I've been involved in the project just makes me think, do I not have something better to do with my life? I hope so. That side of things really doesn't interest me all that much. I imagine there are those who do enjoy doing that!? Each to their own I guess.
The other aspect I find interesting about Planeshift (which I think some people have mentioned before) is the idea of watching the code grow. I've been a Linux GNOME follower for ages and find it fascinating watching the stages, reading the developers comments and learning about how everything comes together (good and bad). Just watching the GNOME project over the years has taught me so much about how a graphical desktop works, the bits which make it up etc. It also serves to be good media coverage for people being involved. It keeps people onside and focused on your game. In part, this is one of the reasons why I tend to occasionally come back to the planeshift project. I like watching the growth of Crystal Space, observing the Google Summer of Code projects, watching the new feature enhancements to the Gaming Engine and seeing how Planeshift has put this to use. I am aware that Planeshift has a rather large contribution to Crystal Space and as such, is quite an important project to this regard. I think it would seem a valid point to say that Crystal Space could potentially change the gaming scene for Linux in a very big way. ( Yeah, I'm a Linux nerd ). Planeshift is quite a unique project given that it is the first reasonable game to take advantage of this technology and grow this into the future. I find the relationship between the two software entities to be a really big deal for Linux. It really surprises me, that in order to encourage and assist other gaming projects to follow the same path, that this project is so hush hush and secret. I would think that there would be a greater motivation to be vocal about design decisions in the off chance, that other projects may adopt similiar design models. Sure!? Planeshift might suffer a little bit by people/players losing out on some mysterious interests (there are ways around that) but the greater picture would see growth for more game/crystal space developers. This project seems to be open source without really being open.
The problem is that things don't usually happen in a hurry with this project. Understandingly, game programmers / good artists etc are probably a harder skillset to find than ordinary database programmers but also, have to admit, the selection process does seem quite daunting if anyone did want to get involved? Development Tools? Development section and roadmap on the website? Above all this, we're not allowed to get involved in blogs or read about upcoming roadmaps, futures or whatever to the game (Talads rules to which I partially see the reasoning!?). If the development model is based on peoples contributions, then I'd really like to know how somebody's contribution gets turned into reality? Its not explicit when still, it comes down to a handful of people who make the final decision anyway. That has me totally confused. In fact, most of the interesting stuff which I love to read about is forbidden and kept as developers secrets. Yeah, thats to keep people in anticipation I guess, yada yada. So in effect, the decision process for everything is held in the hands of a few people who are really the only ones who know whats going on, who also are the only ones who make all the decisions. I dunno, I'm not an artist, but when I design a piece of software - I tend to see it as a form of art to some regard. I always see code as being open to alternative ways of doing things but anyway. The existing model does take away a lot of enjoyment and education preventing people from watching the project grow whilst making the project slightly closed off and biased to a democractic decision process. All it really allows is for people to log in and play occasionally, then log back on every month to see if a) the features have been implemented or, b) something new has happened in game or on the planeshift web site. Given Planeshift has an opportunity to be the first and highly remembered original Crystal Space Project (which I have no doubt that Crystal Space is going places), all it would take is for another project to come along, with community backing and an open model, and Planeshift would just fall into the background. I personally think its losing a valuable opportunity by containing everything for the sake of a little mystery.
Anyway, just thought I'd throw my two cents worth into the project.
Now, I don't want to be unsociable, but does anyone know of any other fairly good Crystal Space projects taking off? Or is Planeshift still really the only reasonable one at this time?
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http://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/Projects_Using_CS (http://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/Projects_Using_CS)
Might be useful
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A more clear and easy to see disclaimer that Planeshift isn't Open-source in the front page of the site isn't a bad idea.
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PlaneShift's code is fully open-source. PlaneShift's art is not. It's that simple.
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Maybe something new in this topic.
I'm actually interested in all the questions the author made, can we have these answered?
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I know of one I would like to recommend, though they are currently moving from CrystalSpace to OGRE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGRE), and if you has a not so eccletic preference and dislikes sci-fi, I think you might not like it, but here is a shot I give. It is a "freelancer-esque" game, inspired on the classic Elite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_%28computer_game%29). It's a space sim named VegaStrike:
http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net (http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net)
P.S.: In their new site they put the updates to SVN right in the front page! :D
So if you're looking for a project with a very open to the public development, it isn't a bad option, although it'll use other engine.
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vega strike!
\\o//
Good game, fun for when PS is down.
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Actually vegastrike looks really cool, do admit, I have come across it but didn't get the chance to actually toy with it properly.
I do remember elite and frontier from the old Amiga days. *aah the good old days* ha ha. Yeah, they where cool games.
Actually, on the subject of RPGs, Anyone remember ' Fate Gates of Dawn? '.
One of the games I really thought was awesome on the old Amiga was Carrier Command. Funnily enough, if anyones interested then I came across this:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martingbell/projects/
Its not playable yet but there's a video on the main page. I could only wish. The graphics look so much better in this version.
Its really cool to see other games starting to appear.
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There actually is not graphical alt for PS. All other 3D games are wortheless mobkilling game with charakter named like " \../ satanic_babe 666". Planeshift is the only one interesting and unique one
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PS is the most unique and enjoyable game by far, in my opinion.
Yet sometimes, you need a fast paced FPS to keep your trigger finger fit.
I searched around on the Interweb for some games a while ago actually to satisify my thirst to download free junk. This game caught my eye. It's called Nexuiz (http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/), it's a Multiplayer FPS using the Quake Engine. If you're like me, you don't play these games addictively, you play it when you need an adrenaline rush.
Vegastrike will be great...when they have incorperated the MMO part of it.
Above all this, we're not allowed to get involved in blogs or read about upcoming roadmaps, futures or whatever to the game (Talads rules to which I partially see the reasoning!?). If the development model is based on peoples contributions, then I'd really like to know how somebody's contribution gets turned into reality?
I agree that we could be more informed. But I also see the point in nice surprises when a new feature appears. I don't think we would have enjoyed the Winch as much if we had heard about it several months beforehand. There is a place (http://hydlaa.com/index.php?page=news&cat=all) where news is posted more regulary, but you'll notice that the last post was as the server was closed for testing for the "upcoming" release of 0.19. (EDIT: Wow! Just noticed it's out!)
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I used to be addicted to EVE Online (http://www.eve-online.com/) some years ago. That's a MASSIVE and impressing MMORPG.
When PS were updating the server, without telling us anything, I decided to try out the free version of Anarchy Online (http://www.anarchy-online.com/).
But I must honestly say I was greatly disappointed with the Graphics. .. I find it hard to understand that it's the great MMORPG everybody's talking about.
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Everyone seems so mystified by our development process but it doesn't seem that mysterious to me...
- We commit our code to SourceForge multiple times a day.
- SourceForge is the most obvious and most popular place to look for such code.
- All the code is available for download anytime, or just browsing on the web.
- Anyone can subscribe to the cvs mailing list for the project and see the commits, comments and diffs in real-time.
- Most of the devs are online on irc whenever they are working on the project.
- We have #planeshift-prospects and #planeshift-build channels dedicated to helping people build and contribute to the project.
- We have audio podcasts of developers explaining things and giving introduction to systems and team prospects.
Yes we are cagey about concept art, because we like to surprise people with new chickens and new monsters, and we don't like to talk about future features and dates because then people's expectations get too high. Other than that it seems to me we are a very accessible and helpful team.
What am I missing here?
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What am I missing here?
experience on the front lines...
you forget that people want it cheap, fast, and good. not realizing that they have to pick two. unless they work in the civil service and then they have to pick one.
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I've already had my opinions on this matter and those posts have been deleted so I don't see any reason for going over it again. They will only get deleted again.
I asked the question, ' Why does the Planeshift Team have a hard time keeping developers? ' and I must of struck a cord because my post was deleted instantly.
Furthermore, I asked the question, ' Why was a certain other persons post locked and not replied to in the interests of Freedom of Speech? ' and that post was also deleted. He was not offensive, he was not attacking anybody personally, he was merely supplying facts of the project. If they where all false, then there would have been nothing to be afraid of and it would of been easy to supply the truthe. I can only suggest there was some truthe in his allegations and thats why he was silenced and his post was locked.
I think there's a clear message here folks.
The way this project is managed deters quite a lot of developers (hence reason why nobody has joined in so many years), is purely managed in gestapo style by the gods that be, and if you post anything in these forums (in the interest of contributing to the project) then its really pointless because those who manage the project do what they want, instead of listening to the people. If you state anything to this effect or ask questions which get too close to seeing the real problems, you'll be silenced.
This project does not have a community mindset, is not open and doesn't really desire the support and contributions from the public. This project is far from being openly developed. In fact, I find how its managed and the way it treats its contributors to be quite immoral and unethical to say the least. It advertises a totally different message on its web site than what is relayed from the actual structure of the team. A disgrace to the open source community. Its lies lies and damned lies. Im comforted in knowing that quite a lot of projects have started and there will soon be competition. The unethical management of this project and failure for it to aquire developers is most likely going to stunt its growth. It will come back to bite in the end.
I'm not suggesting anybody take my word for it... in fact, I'm suggesting people do their own research instead. I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusions.
Anyway, I've lost a lot of interest in this project. I found the answers I was looking for.
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Psignosis, your last thread has been moved to the Complaint section, not deleted. If you're ever in doubt or if you cannot find one of your posts where it has been previously, check your post history.
And please, do your "research" before you write more posts like this. It's a shame to see you believe something that false, that seriously.
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Anyway, I've lost a lot of interest in this project.
/me celebrates
There is absolutely no reason for the Devs to take notice of anything the community wants and yet they quite often do. I don't see how people can continue to complain about most everything mentioned in this thread.
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I think that the main reason people disagree and complain allot, is because "the content doesn't match the label on the bottle.", It's all about broken dreams and expectations.
The official web pages give an impression of a product that's super good, and pretty complete. ...just some bug testing now and then.
The real experience of PlaneShift is more like this:
Yo enter th airport, and you have this cute and nice flight stewardess who hands out an glossy paper brochure, about being a part of a test group, testing out a new airplane.
.. "Wow, testing a new airplane, before it gets into commercial flight. Thats cool, ...writing history. ..in 30 years I'm going to tell my grandkids about this". :D
You have to wait 8 hours on the airport for your next plane, and this test flight is going to be finished within a couple of hours, so this is perfect.
You have to sign the brochure, (EULA):
The brochure is basically saying things like: "You hereby verify that you have read and understand all instructions .. bla, bla, bla .. an if you get hurt or killed, you take full responsibility for your own actions, and, and .... bla, bla, bla.. ...Get a free meal ... bla, bla, bla ...Get a diploma... bla, bla, bla.."
You think this is good, nobody can afford to damage the airplane anyways, This is good! and you sign, and follow the rest of the group. ;)
.. The plane is beautiful both inside and outside.
Strategically placed all over inside the plane is several crash dummy's. As the plan take off, you start asking questions about the crash dummies, and a person ask you: "Didn't you read the brochure? ..we are going to fly for 2 hours to a desert area, and there we are going to jump, and the plane is going to crash into a huge concrete wall!" ..... but ... O.o
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@Psignosis: Are you actually aware of the "Freedom of Speech" theory?
The thread you're talking about was a clear case of "Shouting fire in a crowded theatre"
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes
In theory any form of speech meant to cause damage is in direct opposition to the free speech.
Considering the nature of that thread it is actually surprising it was only locked.
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The misinformation you have been fed or gleaned is incredibly frightful Psignosis. The team is perpetually growing. Development is going well. The team like any family has its issues, but we are steadily improving Imho. There are always serious concerns to grapple with everyday. You are certainly welcome to support whatever "competition" you find.
While what information you have might scare me it does not surprise me. I have seen you ignore several responses to your posts and carry on your argument as though no one had addressed you.
You have been given a positive response to both of your recent threads by the developers of planeshift and returned a sneer.
Your concerns about free speech and the meaning of open source as it relates to PS have all been answered.
You, sir, with your polemic and platitudes, are, to borrow a phrase, "A disgrace to the open source community."
Every new movement needs leaders. "Open source" is not new and does not need cheerleaders like you.
You want to know more? The application is open.
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There is absolutely no reason for the Devs to take notice of anything the community wants and yet they quite often do.
I'm quite drunk atm so forgive my frankness. I've a tendency to try to sugar coat what I say but the alcohol cures this.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The Community IS the game. WIthout the community the game is useless and therefore the community is relevant, as are its needs and wants to a degree.
We're all co-dependent so lets all quit thinking that any one is more important than the other. The unit functions as a whole so you really need all of it for PlaneShift to really exist in the context it does. Quit putting some people above others and realize we're all accountable to each other. Saying the communities wants are useless and pointless is just like saying the community would continue if all the devs left. Seriously, this is trolling in the worst sense (not that my own post isn't).
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Hehe, that's awesome.
Considering you are drunk...I'll be nice.
Out of the community of hundreds of players maybe, and I stress maybe, a couple dozen are very adamant about what they want and are willing to leave if they don't get it.
Losing a couple dozen players...meh. Chances are they'd be the annoying, shortsighted, stubborn ones who come on the forums while drunk and post nonsense :P
Contrary to popular belief, most of the community is quite satisfied with just playing the game and letting the devs do what they want.
Sure, the Devs should be, and I'm sure they are, grateful for the bug reports and polite suggestions and, I'm not saying the should ignore what the community wants. But they sure as hell could, and have enough people left over in the community to continue the project.
(On a happier note: Welcome to "Drunk Posters" I've done it a couple times and regretted it thoroughly. May want to think twice next time :P )
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Looks like my post was actually edited to sound nicer anyways ;)
Losing a couple dozen players...meh. Chances are they'd be the annoying, shortsighted, stubborn ones who come on the forums while drunk and post nonsense :P
I resent that! The way I phrased things was undeniably rude but I stand by the content.
Sure, the Devs should be, and I'm sure they are, grateful for the bug reports and polite suggestions and, I'm not saying the should ignore what the community wants. But they sure as hell could, and have enough people left over in the community to continue the project.
You are not saying they should, but you are saying that there is no reason to.
There is absolutely no reason for the Devs to take notice of anything the community wants and yet they quite often do.
As you said...
I stand by this as a flawed illogical statement. There are reasons to listen to the community and to suggest otherwise I find offensive.
Contrary to popular belief, most of the community is quite satisfied with just playing the game and letting the devs do what they want.
I won't disagree there. That doesn't mean that those who have issues they think they have ideas about should not bring this to the forums. It also doesn't mean there is no reason to listen to them. Not every idea is good, some won't work, some are plain silly, but the people who are unsatisfied are not necessarily annoying, shortsighted or stubborn. In fact I think to a degree being a bit stubborn isn't always a bad attribute.
I truly believe a game is about the players. Games like this are a gift of sorts, and while you don't always look a gift horse in the mouth this is a bit different. The game code is GPL and is essentially developed by a small community of volunteers, many who are plucked from the community. The community is providing a service by testing the game and by making it more public since as the community grows, so do the people who have heard of it and check it out. This brings in potential developers. Players already help the game by playing. Developers can help the players by listening to the relevant needs.
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Perhaps I was a bit extreme when I said "no reason". There are a few, for instance, they might be good ideas or such.
I should have said "There is no reason for the devs to go out of their way to take act on anything that the community wants."
Either way, the point stands. Many members of the community act as if they are more important than they really are. They act as if the game should be how they want it and not how the Devs do. And, most of all, they act ungrateful for the opportunity to play such a large game for free.
I've been preaching this for years though, nothing much has changed.
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I think we're both preaching to the choir, just different sides :)
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It seems that after the first one or two messages in this thread, all the rest has become a flamewar. However, I will attempt to break with tradition, and post a reply that has something to do with the original thread. I have found a quite interesting alternative to Planeshift:
Regnum
This is a free MMORPG with native Linux and Windows clients. It was completed and released just 2 months ago. I started playing it recently, and find it to be quite fun. There are a number of classes and races to choose from, each with its own strengths and weaknesses.
I started as a mage. Upon reaching level 10, you are given a choice to specialize in a particular path, and I chose Conjurer. This class gains the ability to summon undead helpers, do some healing magic, and a few other magical abilities, and is balanced by being rather weak defensively.
Team play is encouraged in a number of ways. First, classes compliment each other. For example, my mage does best when paired with a warrior or two, who can withstand the attacks that would bring down a mage. In the meantime, the mage can fire offensive magic to damage the monsters, as well as heal the warriors of their wounds. Additionally, there is a bonus to experience when fighting monsters in groups, encouraging team play.
I have no idea how many spells and special abilities there are, but my character is around level 20, and 50 is max. At level 20, I have about 30 spells to choose from, all of which work. Each class has its own set of spells and/or abilities as well.
This game is free, though there is an option to pay real money for healing potions, mana potions, and rental of horses that can be ridden. I have no plans to pay for these extras, and have felt no need to.
Animations in Regnum are great. Spell effects are varied and interesting. The variety of monsters to fight is amazing.
Really the only shortcoming I see in Regnum compared to Planeshift is the lack of Planeshift-type "RP." However, if Regnum's monsters were "Impervious" half the time leaving players with nothing else to do, I'm sure this would also develop in that world too. I doubt this will be the case, however, since I have yet to see the monsters stop working.
I have not played World of Warcraft, but my friends that have played it say that Regnum is a lot like it. So if you're interested in a free, complete MMORPG for Linux and Windows, I would recommend it.
-Drahlian
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Having a link is always nice: Regnum (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/index.php?l=1), and a screenshot gallery (http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/index.php?sec=10&l=1) (because I'm interested in that most when I look at a game, personally) :] I'm downloading the client and will take a closer look probably later tomorrow. Thanks for the recommendation.
You didn't mention anything about quests or activities outside of fighting though. Is this another Silkroad? If combat and leveling are the central points of this game, I can see becoming pretty bored of it quickly.
[ People are way too quick to label something as a flamewar. Flames are deleted from the forum, guys. An argument is not a flamewar. It can become one, at which point the moderators will take care of it, but this thread has been quite mild, especially almost the entire first page. Don't be so hasty to label it as something it's not. ]
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You didn't mention anything about quests or activities outside of fighting though. Is this another Silkroad? If combat and leveling are the central points of this game, I can see becoming pretty bored of it quickly.
There are many quests available, though I read that they are only available up to level 20 at the moment, since the game was just released in May. I don't know first-hand, since I haven't spent a significant amount of time questing. As to Silkroad, I have not played it, since I believe there is no Linux client for that game. Regnum does seem to focus on combat, though teamwork is encouraged in a most pleasant way, rewarding players that work together, which I find refreshing.
[ People are way too quick to label something as a flamewar. Flames are deleted from the forum, guys. An argument is not a flamewar. It can become one, at which point the moderators will take care of it, but this thread has been quite mild, especially almost the entire first page. Don't be so hasty to label it as something it's not. ]
I stand corrected. This thread did not turn into a flamewar, however after the first one or two posts, the conversation move off from the original thread subject and, IMHO, fell apart.
-Drahlian
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Sounds pretty nice in that case. What is the community like? Is it easy to find yourself a team of other characters to adventure with?
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I guess there's now way in hell that you people will talk about "OTHER" games that are also MAC OS X compliant... bunch of self centered egotistical poo tards that think the only OS is Windows.. Well its not! ... donkey butts.. the lot of ya!
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donkey butts.. the lot of ya!
/me puts on extra deodorant and hopes no one notices.
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.. bunch of self centered egotistical poo tards that think the only OS is Windows..
We aren't. Just, most game creators are.
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Sounds pretty nice in that case. What is the community like? Is it easy to find yourself a team of other characters to adventure with?
The largest share of players are Spanish-speaking. English is the second largest share. So far, people seem friendly.
It is extremely easy to find people to fight with. Combat is designed to encourage it. Example: One monster might give you 100 experience. However, fight it with another player, and you will each get 50 experience, plus a Group bonus of maybe +10. If you have a large party of 6 or 7, the group bonus will be larger. This encourages strangers to work together and to work as a team. There is no concept of "ownership" of an NPC like in Planeshift. If someone is fighting a monster, you can just run up and start fighting it too. Of course if they did 90% of the work to kill it, they will get 90% of the experience, but you will both get a Group bonus.
Character naming is not regulated, at least not that I've noticed. On the one hand it would be nice to see stupid names disallowed, however I personally think that the PS rules are overly strict. I think somewhere in the middle would be more enjoyable.
-Drahlian
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How is asking about alternatives related to a complaint about PS?
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Have anybody seen this yet? http://www.daz3d.com/i.x/contests/acclaim/
They think they're first in some areas.. :P
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How is asking about alternatives related to a complaint about PS?
Maybe some people who have complaints about Planeshift would like to know of alternatives. A common reply I see to complaints is "Well just go play something else then." This thread offers those people (including myself) some alternatives.
-Drahlian
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What about this? http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/
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Unfortunately Vega strike is still single player
There is Ubi's Shadowbane. One of its servers is reserved for Role Play, as far as a PK game can take Role Play. think of it like Halo with swords and hammers. Though for FPS and PKs classes and levels are necessary, so you will have to level and are resticted on what you can and cannot do accourding to what you chose to be. But all the same, can get toyur PK fun out of it. OH and like PS its Free, unlike PS it's a finished product.
Now, I'm on a mac and I am cheap... So there ain't many options to play...
If you want to pay , there's "A tale in the Desert" no killing, just building/crafting/quests. But it gives you a free weeks time to figure out if you like it or not.
There are a few others, I got to dig through my game pile, you got to buy the game but the on-line play is free.
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there is othere games that dont involve so much rp although i dont like em a much. such as liniage 2, and 9dragons [similar to liniage 2] both games lack rp but if you want a game that is more than simply a free run of the mill rpg your in deap hurt i have no other mmo that is as good on role playing as plane shift and to think stay with it for a few years you can teach others and prolly get most of it slammed in your face and past achievments go unrecodnized.
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If you like roleplay more than gameplay... you can't beat Planeshift. ;)
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I tested Minions of Mirth (http://www.prairiegames.com/) and liked it.
You can choose three classes and the free version allows level 15/5, means two classes.
Enough to estimate if you like it or not in my opinion.
However, the good stuff and more levels are available for a one time fee (30$).
It uses the torque engine, there even exists an editor where you can
create stuff and quests. If you are talented there's a good chance it will
be implemented into the game.
It is available for mac and windows. The main part of content is created by
voluntary developers, they do a great job and communicate with the players.
The world has a history and factions/realms, but it's combat based, and could need some roleplayers.
There are many quests, although most of them follow a findNPC - killNPC - returnItem - theme.
There is a naming policy but it's not strictly enforced. Combat is round based, only mages
can use some arcade style with kiting.
The community is friendly, the threads in the forum (http://www.prairiegames.com/phpBB2/) almost never get locked,
they never get deleted or edited by moderators. Players have really free speech.
Here's a video (http://www.vimeo.com/94118) (made by a player) which shows some parts of the world.
I created Herleva and Quittaa in this game, and they do well so far. (no dwarf-hating this time :innocent: )
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Shadowbane - if you dont mind PVP, a rather large game file/download and some other stuff its actually pretty fun. I like the look of the game and animations and I like playing and such too. Its a pretty fun game all round, well designed for group playing.
Minions of Mirth - Fun game, designed with Torque (modded), a good community (one that doesnt constantly use chatspeak, ask how to mine fish and such, and actually has some intelligent discussion), good gameplay, constantly under development, there has been a recent influx of moddereated events and such, there is one going on today, a naked halfling race from one side of the world to the other. Should be fun. And there have been several others over the past month or so. its a one time feee game, cost you no more than £15 to buy it forever. Well worth it.
Vega Strike - As far as i know its near a new version so you might want to wait around till 0.4.4, but there's no date set for the new version of the game. The curent version is fun though, some nice random factor gameplay going on nothing is on the rails so to speak, its single player right now, but multiplayer is being added in the next version.
As far as roleplaying goes, this game and Muds are pretty much the roleplaying games. Although I have had some roleplaying with Minions of mirth.
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It seems that after the first one or two messages in this thread, all the rest has become a flamewar. However, I will attempt to break with tradition, and post a reply that has something to do with the original thread. I have found a quite interesting alternative to Planeshift:
Regnum
I started playing this game after reading this thread yesterday and I'm totally addicted. I have a green beetle tanking for my hunter character right now ^_^
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Hi all,
I know this thread hasn't been active for a few weeks, but I thought I'd do an update.
If you are interested in an alternative to Planeshift, I recommend Regnum Online:
http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/
This is a free MMORPG game with both Linux and Windows clients. I have been playing this game now for about 3 months, and am enjoying it more all the time. I know of at least 15 people from Planeshift that now play Regnum. I posted about this game a couple months ago, when I was new to it, so I have much more to add.
If you enjoy PvP and working in a group with others, this is where Regnum really shines. At first, you will be fighting against mobs, like bears, wolves, skeletons, orcs, ghosts, etc. But after your character becomes stronger and more skilled, you can enter the War Zone. Basically there are three Realms in the land, and they are at war with each other. When you enter the War Zone, you enter an area where you can meet with those form other realms and battle with them.
There are forts and castles in each land. You and a group of your friends can invade another realm and take over one of their forts. But soon, many enemies will gather together and come do battle with you to take it back. I've been in battles with more than 30 people on each side, and it gets pretty intense.
The classes are designed with variety and balance in mind. One class's weaknesses can be covered by another class's strength, so teamwork is a must. Knights, using their heavy armor and shields, can absorb much damage. Barbarians, with their huge two-handed weapons, deal massive damage. Marksmen are deadly with their bows, while Hunters are the "ninjas" of the world, using stealth to sneak in, take out individual enemies, then vanish, and they can tame wild beasts to fight with them in battle. Conjurers are the healers, and can feed mana to their teammates, or resurrect them if they fall in battle. Their offensive magic is relatively weak, but they can summon undead or demons to fight at their side. Warlocks are offensive mages, dealing tons of damage to multiple enemies. I can't stress enough how teamwork is encouraged in Regnum. Whether you are fighting monsters in the safe part of the land, or battling other players in the War Zone, you will soon find that it is more effective, as well as enjoyable, to work as a team, in large groups.
With the combination of classes, races, levels, hundreds of types of armor, tunics, hats, weapons and shields, no two people look the same.
As was mentioned earlier, this game was developed in Argentina, so many speak Spanish, but about half speak English. There are many English-speaking clans (like guilds in PS) in each realm, and most people I have met have been very friendly.
Someone mentioned the lack of Role-play in Regnum. RP does in fact exist in Regnum, if you get with a clan that enjoys that sort of thing. RP is what you make of it. Same goes for community. There are some really cool people in Regnum, just like there is in Planeshift.
I have been very impressed with how this game has developed. It was just officially released in May, and much has been added and improved since then. Last weekend it was announced that the server had been up for 7 days straight, so the stability is great. IMHO, it is by far the best MMORPG with a Linux client, and it is free.
If you decide to check it out, you can find many PS people in the Alsius Realm (that is the snowy region), including myself, most of The Enlightened guild from PS, and many others. My user there is Mehgan. See you there!
-Drahlian
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Mehgan of PERL?!?!?!
Drahlian of ALSIUS!?!? in the DWARF REALM!?!
*dies*
Hey drahlian, Holdan here... I was Vorskner the dwarf barbarian... we killed lots of syrtis together. :D remember? huh huh?
Wow... small, small, small world...
Ahem I still play PS :P
And a good bit of PS is also in syrtis...
With the combination of classes, races, levels, hundreds of types of armor, tunics, hats, weapons and shields, no two people look the same
not true... everyone of the same level and class have the same armor... thats one of my few problems with RO....
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Mehgan of PERL?!?!?!
Drahlian of ALSIUS!?!? in the DWARF REALM!?!
*dies*
Hehe, yes, I'm Mehgan of PERL, and an elfslayer instead of a dwarfslayer. Nasty, filthy elves!
Hey drahlian, Holdan here... I was Vorskner the dwarf barbarian... we killed lots of syrtis together. :D remember? huh huh?
Yes I remember you. Lots of fun battles together. :)
With the combination of classes, races, levels, hundreds of types of armor, tunics, hats, weapons and shields, no two people look the same
not true... everyone of the same level and class have the same armor... thats one of my few problems with RO....
Things have changed recently, and there is far more variety in how people look. Now mobs sometimes drop armor/tunics/gloves/weapons that have ability enhancements. So now someone might be level 50, but wear some level 48 armor that gives a +4 to Strength. Also there is more than one set of "level 50" armor. For example, there are 2 or 3 different level 50 tunics that I've found, with different attributes, though I actually wear a level 42 tunic that gives a boost to Concentration. So now, there is a lot of variety.
Lots of variations with weapons too. For example, I carry 4 staves. One does high damage but short range (usually for breaking down fort doors). One long range, but lesser damage. One is low level, but gives me +40 health, and one is wimpy but gives me +4 strength (good for when I loot too much and can't carry it all).
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This game actually sounds really intrested. While I'm probably not going to devote any real time to it (since its not on mac and I rarely have access to a windows computer as well as my current obsession with ps ;D ) I'll try and check it out. It sounds intresting and the fact that there are rpers makes it sound much better.
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Although people from PS went there, its not rp... No one really role plays... the game is more pvp based.
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Although people from PS went there, its not rp... No one really role plays... the game is more pvp based.
Nothing stops you from RPing there. ;) Actually I think it would be a better environment for RP, in that there is an equivalent to the Chat tab... the thing that the PS devs removed for some crazy reason. Removal of the Chat tab last year was, IMHO, a major blow to RP. If you ever try to RP in the arena, each sentence will be interrupted by 5 to 10 lines of "so and so changed to offensive stance" or "the rogue is nearly dead." (I have complained about that before, but it was always deleted immediately by Karyuu). Anyway, I agree that RP would actually be more difficult in Regnum, for the simple fact that there is so much more to do, particularly fighting in large battles in the war zone.
I think it would be interesting for someone to start a clan in Regnum of people from Planeshift.
-Drahlian
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Peacer (angelwinged Devil) and valorius rageway both have clans in syrtis...
However along with their friends from PS they brought over, many of the natives from RO also joined.
And yes i've RPed in RO, but theres not really a role playing community typically its just by yourself...
If you like PVP games or better yet RvR games, RO is for you. But if you prefer something less intense, more writter baised. I say PS.
I play both, because my moods change depending on how I feel.
Mehgan, take down some syrtis for me, i'll be back shortly. If you see AwD or valorius, sick your zarkit on them. ;D
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Actually I think it would be a better environment for RP, in that there is an equivalent to the Chat tab... the thing that the PS devs removed for some crazy reason. Removal of the Chat tab last year was, IMHO, a major blow to RP. If you ever try to RP in the arena, each sentence will be interrupted by 5 to 10 lines of "so and so changed to offensive stance" or "the rogue is nearly dead."
You know you can modify your chat window, right? ;)
The combat messages can be reduced to a minimum, where most of it just gets filtered, and the overall system-chat can be banished from the main-tab and moved to the ... *drumroll* ... system-tab :P
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WoW?
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regnum rocks XD
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regnum rocks XD
if you are more a slayer of monsters and a solver of stupid quests "kill 5 bees" or so then of course you like that game :P
but i research better quests and gameplay xD but yes the graphisms are excellent even if WoW's like :)
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I'd love if regnum had more interesting quests, although the "kill 5 bees" ones are nice in that they encourage training (which I suck at self motivating at). I'd like a game that had both those and more epic puzzle quests (that involved ACTUAL SOLVING). Oh well, :) I enjoy the warzone.
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Aloha from the darkness.
:love:
For who didn't know, RF Online (a really interesting MMORPG I must say) is now free to download/free to play, without monthly fees.
More details: http://www.rf-onlinegame.com/splash.php?return=news.php
Now, until the ways of the Black Order shall twist your wicked minds again, this game is a nice try.
Cheers future minions!
:innocent:
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ahem, drahlian/meghan, im sure you're aware of Pizi's comic? I think it speaks for itself concerning regnum.
http://www.twardoch.art.pl/CBA/#
Warning!: Material may be found unsuitable for children, parental guidance is advised... But damn, is it funny.
Kiirani come back!! :'(
....traitor.
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There actually is not graphical alt for PS. All other 3D games are wortheless mobkilling game with charakter named like " \../ satanic_babe 666". Planeshift is the only one interesting and unique one
Yes, I was a long time player of runescape, and it does not compare to PS :thumbup:, ok PS (as all know) is not finished and its "buggy" but well graphics... and PS is much more realistic anyway \\o// it may be heavy to do some crafting but it does in a realistic way, in runescape you got some ores and u can make lots of refined metals in less than 5 minutes, but in PS no, you work in the role of the medieval crafter. In my point of view you need to have more skills to play it, ah and There is No map, so its easy to get lost the way wich for me is confusing and realistic at same ways.... And names well just \\o// as Ice_stovo sain, no other game is at the level of PS :thumbup: \\o// >o)
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As a man who spend years seeking for a good RP-oriented MMORPG (a calambur, i know, but that's nowdays reality that the word "MMORPG" is not what it used to be even at the early UO), i must say that there's absolutely no alternatives to PS. It's not perfect, of course, not at all ( :beta: some RP UO shards has the full implementation of user-driven economy, that damn housing, and so on therefore lacking something more. A setting maybe and online too), but it is the best indeed. Someday we'll have it all. Or at least our children will ::)
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Kiirani come back!! :'(
....traitor.
No way, she's with us now. We're not giving her back. ;)
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Kiirani come back!! :'(
....traitor.
No way, she's with us now. We're not giving her back. ;)
Oooh, look what the cat coughed up....
hey valorius, long time no see, I play Regnum for your information, but its a shame you guys don't enjoy RPing anymore... You are missed.
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regnum rocks XD
if you are more a slayer of monsters and a solver of stupid quests "kill 5 bees" or so then of course you like that game :P
but i research better quests and gameplay xD but yes the graphisms are excellent even if WoW's like :)
actually it's for people who enjoy combat ;), there's a constant war going on in the war zone which all the three realms (countries) have access too.
and if someone ever decides to join us in regnum and choses syrtis send any guardian of power a /chat and we will invite you ;).
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Oooh, look what the cat coughed up....
hey valorius, long time no see, I play Regnum for your information, but its a shame you guys don't enjoy RPing anymore... You are missed.
RPing isn't the reason we all left. But thank you for the kind words just the same.
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RPing isn't the reason we all left. But thank you for the kind words just the same.
Valorius, I just wanted you to know that I miss you too, dunno if it means anything :P I downloaded Regnum a while ago but I'm too lazy to install it. Just wondering, are there gods to pray to in Regnum?
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RPing isn't the reason we all left. But thank you for the kind words just the same.
Valorius, I just wanted you to know that I miss you too, dunno if it means anything :P I downloaded Regnum a while ago but I'm too lazy to install it. Just wondering, are there gods to pray to in Regnum?
None so meddlesome as those in Yliakum my friend. Again, thank you for your kind words. If you decide to try regnum, send me an ingame PM, same screen name. ;)
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RPing isn't the reason we all left. But thank you for the kind words just the same.
Valorius, I just wanted you to know that I miss you too, dunno if it means anything :P I downloaded Regnum a while ago but I'm too lazy to install it. Just wondering, are there gods to pray to in Regnum?
None so meddlesome as those in Yliakum my friend. Again, thank you for your kind words. If you decide to try regnum, send me an ingame PM, same screen name. ;)
Kiirani was enough, but steal tuxide, and feel my wrath infidel.