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Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Nikodemus on July 12, 2007, 02:57:35 am
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hah, this wont be about how it is great and so on, i wouldnt make a topic if it were ;D
But in fact its looking great, only... unorginal.
Does it have to be based directly on a chicken? the most common to death, poor birdy on the world? Maybe i'm completly wrong at this point, anyway...
Why not fowl (the most not chicken like fowl you can see on earth. There are loads of them and if not in english language, different nations not always call it along chicken lines)?
Maybe it is too late for any changes, but the birdy could really look a bit more unusual! /me is so tired...
Im sure i', not the only one who has some ideas about it.
hm, with some luck this topic wot die...
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There are both "mundane" and "strange" looking creatures in Yliakum. Not everything is going to be super crazy, and not everything is going to be familiar. Would you like it better if it had three eyes? I think rats are just as common, if not more so - but they too are there to provide a balance against all the other strange artistic inventions.
There will be more unusual birds in the future, but I don't see the harm in having one that looks very recognizable.
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I think it is cute.
*Illysia pokes a Kikiri*
Poking Kikiri is fun. ;D
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/me sings kentucky fried Kikiri we do kikiri right :thumbup:
/me grins
Sorry I couldnt resist
I actually like the small bit of normalacy that it brings to the game
I did a double take when I it in game :woot:
you cant imagine hard it was not to pounce Kikiri when i first saw it :innocent:
Being I am an Enki /me hides the druel from thinking about it :oops:
I did not know if Kikiri was a gift to us or if Talad has a devine plan for the bird
But honestly I have a good suggestion of where to put Kikiri ;D
And I know it would be safe from harm once there :devil:/me a small smile starts to form into a grin 8)
How bout um um/me pulls out a fork and knife
need I say more
Kikiri the other white meat
Sorry if this is out of text of thread I just could not resist posting this ( This enki is on edge and eagerly waiting to see if it is ok to eat one)/me shakes and asks "Please Talad may i nibble on one I will be gentle and wont make a glutton of my self" :sweatdrop:
Thank you again for the wonderful changes \\o//
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Does this one have any resemblance to a Chocobo? Or is it a chicken-like bird with almost the same size of a RL chicken?
Kikiri Breeder T-Shirt (http://www.zestuff.com/_gfx/products/4_i.jpg)
About Kikiri Breeding (http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html)
P.S.: Thanks for that GM[Dave] link @nikodemus. O--)
P.S. 2: I wonder how this thread as a whole constitutes a complaint to be moved. Thanks, I was trying to keep my boycott of this section this time! :@#\
P.S. 3: Hopefully this will be my last post to remain on this place.
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I definitely like the familiar look of the Kikiri. People like the "humans" looks normal. I would actually like to see more thing's inspired from the natural world.
I would like to see snakes, spiders, lizards and maybe some small annoying blood sucking insect's disturbing the miners. ;)
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The ulbers when they are working disturb the miners.
I don't see a problem with having a few chooks running around. They look fine to me and make for easy target practice with flame burst.
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Just waste some typing for me and some reading for you, let me say why I like kikiris.
There are so many "exotic" races, creatures, magic already implemented that being totaly different from reality is a norm.
The feeling is totaly different when the unexpected, the unatural just pops in the middle of an ordinary life.
I think that if Stephen King books are so popular is also because the extraordinary breaks the predictable life of ordinary people.
There was once a Thread about how Hydlaa was looking like existing towns. But wouldn't it be hard to figure out the reactions of your character if you were unable to identify anything at first sight?
Trees are looking like tress, mushrooms have a known look and name. They are those things that are natural to us as players so we can easely see them as natural as well IC.
The world would be really amasing with plants unlike trees, purple grass and a pink sky. with every creature not symetrical walking on 3 or more feets.
It is a possibility but then everything would be equaly extra-ordinary. No more surprises.
Right now the balance between ordinary and fantasy tends to make the extraordinary (magic, races, creatures) rather common. it's hard for a newcomer to enter this world and comprehend how it works. Fighting rats with swords is something everyone can understand before he discovers the arcanes of the 6 ways. having to wonder if a weird looking "xyzwk" can be killed with a "thloy" equiped in your 5th hand would be a bit too much.
Hurray for kikiris !
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Greetings!
Well, it looks delicious to me. I hope that it tastes like chicken. When are we allowed to hunt it?
With kind regards
Kaityra
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Well, it looks delicious to me. I hope that it tastes like chicken. When are we allowed to hunt it?
We're still debating whether we'll allow them to be killed or not. Personally I'm leaning towards no because they provide nice ambience.
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its really cute they talk to you!
Kikiri says: Kikikikikiri!
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Hello!
We're still debating whether we'll allow them to be killed or not. Personally I'm leaning towards no because they provide nice ambience.
:o Sorry, but to me this is kind of ridiculous. Rats, Rogues, etc. provide nice ambience, too. If it is a living thing it should be possible to kill it. Everything else feels horrible wrong. You can regulate the "kill rate" with the drop and the experience one gets for the kill.
With kind regards
Kaityra
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you should just get no experience from killing it...that would pretty much solve the problem, I think ;)
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Or make it a crime and enable killing them when you get a guard system going.
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Hello!
you should just get no experience from killing it...that would pretty much solve the problem, I think ;)
Well, no experience is a little bit hard and not very "realistic". A rat gives you about 30 experience. I would suggest 10 to 20 experience for killing a Kikiri and some very cheap meat and feathers for the drop so that you may get about 1-5 trias when selling it. Killing rats will be more lucrative with this setting if you fear for your Kikiri.
With kind regards
Kaityra
P.S.: I want my daily Kikiri. :devil:
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What about getting only Cocking experience for killing it? ..maybe that's the main idea?
It's like killing a fish on land. It's not something you do to get fighting skills, it's a food ting?!
..by the way, when do they lay eggs?
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Hello!
What about getting only Cocking experience for killing it? ..maybe that's the main idea?
It's like killing a fish on land. It's not something you do to get fighting skills, it's a food ting?!
The experience is for catching the Kikiri and not for killing it. It trains your reflexes (ask Rocky!), so it should give you some experience. I really doubt that Enkidukai would cook a Kikiri before eating it.
..by the way, when do they lay eggs?
Hmmm, eggs, delicious. Ok, I want my daily Kikiri and eggs for the dessert. :devil:
With kind regards
Kaityra
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the only problem i have with the whole normalcy aspect is ....
ive been told hte whole time ive been on this game that the real world normalcy is to be strictly avoided...
it jsut seems a little confusing...
dont get me wrong..i think the kikiri is absolutely adorable
butttttttttttttttt already we have jokes like kentucky fried kikiri...now imagine all the noobs going around shouting about hte "chicken"
mmmm
and in a village ruled by cat people :P
it jsut confuses me thats all. i know planeshift exists in another world and time and blah blah blah etc but seriously, if it exists in a different time and place then why does it matter so darn much whether we have a few resemblences to earth on the game...its not like the "characters" will know any better because to them earth doesnt even exist.
maybe im still butthurt about having my name taken away....but its sjut an opinion :P
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..by the way, when do they lay eggs?
It would be nice if you could buy bread crumbs from Jomed and then feed them to the Kikiri. Then an egg would spawn or go to your inventory and now you have an egg.
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If it looks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, and sounds like a chicken, then why go through the bother of coming up with an 'exotic' sounding name. Call it a chicken. Save your creative names for the six-legged turtles.
As for killing them, should you be able to kill them? Realistically, yes. But consider the other side of reality. What kind of disturbed moron goes around killing chickens randomly? Well, that would be the kind of morons more than half of the people playing the game would become at the first sight of the bird. Game mentality: If it moves, kill it. Reason IC? No good one. it is the same reason you can't kill Harn, or he would have been dead the first day.
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As for killing them, should you be able to kill them? Realistically, yes. But consider the other side of reality. What kind of disturbed moron goes around killing chickens randomly?
Me.
Initially there was the novelty of it. There were a few people hunting chickens when they were introduced. There could be the cooking angle. Roast chook makes for a very nice meal. As for experience you would have to be desperate. When they were killable you would have been looking at 34 birds to one PP.
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If it looks like a chicken, walks like a chicken, and sounds like a chicken, then why go through the bother of coming up with an 'exotic' sounding name. Call it a chicken. Save your creative names for the six-legged turtles.
Zelda had cuccos :) It's not a big deal. Nitpicky UTM.
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yeah and if you attack cuccos too long they all group together and attack you. :D
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What does that have to do with this..? :]
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nothing of real significance, I cant imagine kikiris ganging up and attacking me :P
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Actually, Karyuu, I was thinking of Zelda and the coccos and lonlons as I was typing that. You know what my brothers and I called them? Chickens and cows. It seemed silly to try to rename something that was obviously ment to be a chicken or a cow.
When someone looks at a rat ingame, the first thing they think is 'rat', even if it had no label. The first thing I thought when I saw the screen of the kiki was 'chicken'. When I saw an Ulber, the first thing I thought was... what is that? You can call it whatever you like, but you can not change the thought patterns of reconition that go on in the brain at the sight of something that is obviously something known and has been seen before. People will -always- see a chicken, and think 'chicken'. Typing Kikiki is just unnessarily overriding the word 'chicken' the comes on first impulse.
"have you seen the Kikis in the game yet?"
"The what?"
"You know, the chickens..."
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I suppose one could argue its the name of the breed of chicken..
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As for killing them, should you be able to kill them? Realistically, yes. But consider the other side of reality. What kind of disturbed moron goes around killing chickens randomly?
Me and other Enkidukai. But I would not call it random killing but killing to survive. The Kikiri would be the natural prey for the Enkidukai. And if you look for random killings ask the players why they do kill the mercenaries or rogues so often.
As for the name it could be Enkien for chicken. I really like the name. :)
With kind regards
Kaityra
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and sounds like a chicken
It sounds like a chicken? Well, I suppose its distinctive cry might sound like a rooster's crow...
Believe me, I'm on board with mundane and real-world. But it looks like that if we do have more mundane-style animals they won't bear more real-world names. Sorry, you'll just have to make that switch in your brain.
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Hello!
and sounds like a chicken
It sounds like a chicken? Well, I suppose its distinctive cry might sound like a rooster's crow...
Yes, "kikiri" surely sounds more like the rooster's crow. But why not name a race after the crow of its leader? The sound of a chicken would be more like "boahgbog". Yeah, let's call them Boahgbogs. ;D
With kind regards
Kaityra
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We're still debating whether we'll allow them to be killed or not. Personally I'm leaning towards no because they provide nice ambience.
A flightless bird in the land of CATS.. If this aint' fodder I don't know what is.. heck, why don't you go the extra mile and do the same with the rats, since apperently in your world, Cats are vegans.
All the same, though for the rest of us that aren't rabbits, when are we going to get the chance to buy a bucket of fried Kikiri parts at the tavern?
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Some unattackable animals are good for ambience, just like unattackable player-character NPCs.
I think wild Kikiri you'd be able to hunt down and smack around all you want, but to attack them in a city would be attacking someone's property, and I've no doubts some owner would come out and yell at you for destroying his or her future brood.
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ALRIGHT THEN... Could we alteast be able to pick them up and jump off ledges allowing us to glide around like in the Zelda games?
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how you made the leap from not attackable to inedible eludes me :) they give eggs to their owners . . .
there was this story once about a goose and golden eggs . . . . \\o//
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Unless they start popping out eggs like the apple trees near Harnquist, the only other way of getting grub from a creature is to slice it off of them, preferably when they are dead. Even though we can't cook yet, even raw salmonella indoctored poultry will compliment quite well the other rotten meat now in out diets.
So what's the word on the Bucket of Fried Kikiri at the tavern? or when it will be eventually know as the first franchise of "Oja Fried Kikiri" OFK for short?
We can even go the whole nine yards and have a Blond NPC with BIG boobs gives out quests that hint of protest against cruelty to the beloved Kikiri
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Some unattackable animals are good for ambience, just like unattackable player-character NPCs.
I think wild Kikiri you'd be able to hunt down and smack around all you want, but to attack them in a city would be attacking someone's property, and I've no doubts some owner would come out and yell at you for destroying his or her future brood.
The training of these poor creatures...to turn themselves into fighting machines...is simply barbaric. Barbaric! BARBARIC!
Let that word RESOUND....from hill to hill....and from Bronze Door to Bronze Door...and from level to level across this broad land. Barbaric. Barbaric. May Talad help those poor souls who'd be so cruel. BARBARIC! HEAR ME! Barbaric!
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I don't care if they fight back... I'm just hungry.