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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: socia on August 19, 2007, 11:21:06 pm
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Well in last bounty RP I noticed that people realy love things like spoiling, running out of DR and coming back in one min and so on...
So from now, as those aren't official rules of this game or settings, but they are rules of me. If you want to roleplay with me (like joining plot lead by me), you have to accept following rules:
1: No ooc spoiling, your character can't "luckily" find someone hiden out in total nowhere. Don't ask me or my guildmembers about location where I or any other person is.
2: PvP based on system fights doesn't end up with death until directly said so before and agreed by both sides. You end up heavy wounded and you have to roleplay wounded person for 24hours (rl hours).
3: If PvP ends with death, you enter DR, your sould is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there, you have to stay there minimaly 5days (you can skip one day or stay longer dependant on ressurection rp you'll set up).
4: Roleplayed fights, as I guess you as "non PLer" have "superpowers" and so on, to avoid godmoding and so on I suggest basing your rp on stats and skills of your character. If you still don't like it talk oocly with enemy and set up basic /roll rules based on his chars strength and your char accepting that you both are nearly the same strength. so for example one will have /roll 6 the other one /roll 8 while higer number wins.
5: I know you read it from my mind already, but yes.. YOU CAN'T READ OTHER PERSON'S MIND.
please note me if I forgot something.. thanks
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You left out the problem of abilities that are RPed but not implemented in game mechanics. :oops: For instance, Kaerli and her fellow Rangers have the ability to track; that is not implemented yet though, so it must be RPed using a mixture of /me actions and /tells, as well as OOC cooperation between the two RPers involved. If you call the coordination needed for such "spoiling"...well, I dunno what to do with you :P
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I don't accept it until basic rules are set so talk trough /tell about your ability, so same rule as for rp duel
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Fine.
Let's all make our own rules.
Sounds like fun to me.
1. Don't kill me with daggers, I want to die more heroic: Use a Long-Sword.
2. I can not be killed by Dwarfs or other inferior beeings.
3. I'm sometimes a bit ... err ... ironic, so forgive me
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You don't like rules, ok shut up and ignore me.
I don't think that those rules are somehow affecting you as I never had rp with you so please comment something what affects you and what you know why is it so.
Thank you.
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You don't like rules
I did not say that.
I like rules. When they are agreed by more than one and not forced by one who believes it would be necessary for ones gameplay.
, ok shut up and ignore me.
ah see ^ a rule that affects me !
I don't think that those rules are somehow affecting you as I never had rp with you so please comment something what affects you and what you know why is it so.
err - What ?
Thank you.
You are very welcome.
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Look, these rules are old, even I learnt them, they wwere followed in past by many people and a lot of them left... But that doesn't mean that I won't follow them. New generation of players came and asked what rules I do follow > here you have them. As they doesn't affect you and you have no constructive critics, I ask to to remin silent and keep your irony for your self.
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3: If PvP ends with death, you enter DR, your sould is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there, you have to stay there minimaly 5days (you can skip one day or stay longer dependant on ressurection rp you'll set up).
Yay - at last I understand why some players need so many alts.
Must be quite annoying to not be able to play for 5 days.
Look, these rules are old, even I learnt them, they wwere followed in past by many people and a lot of them left... But that doesn't mean that I won't follow them. New generation of players came and asked what rules I do follow > here you have them.
Here you have them? - Thank you my "Ruler" !
I thought - ah - forget it.
I'll stay quiet now
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3: If PvP ends with death, you enter DR, your sould is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there, you have to stay there minimaly 5days (you can skip one day or stay longer dependant on ressurection rp you'll set up).
Yay - at last I understand why some players need so many alts.
Must be quite annoying to not be able to play for 5 days.
That is actually making sense. Death has a meaning.
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Heya Socia!
What you suggest here is actually what was my intention here --> http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=29562.0
I support this idea and basically agree with the outlines of your rules.
Cheers
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Fozzharn, if you do not agree with the rules Socia made for roleplaying with her, just avoid RPing with her instead of critizing those rules. Personally, I think some kind of rules are needed, as too many persons that are unfamiliar with RPing try to be "cool" and just want to kill Socia's character for the bounty, not caring for roleplay at all.
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3: If PvP ends with death, you enter DR, your sould is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there, you have to stay there minimaly 5days (you can skip one day or stay longer dependant on ressurection rp you'll set up).
Yay - at last I understand why some players need so many alts.
Must be quite annoying to not be able to play for 5 days.
That is actually making sense. Death has a meaning.
Death is a very confuse issue in Yilakum. Above some pretend that the dead don't or seldom return... below they say clearly that many return and that there are many portals that allow that... that only the weaklings (and a few other situations like Octarchal excution victims) remain in DR forever.
The rules of DR are the ones that really apply and hence people can and often return. That doesn't mean I like sprinters though (maybe if mouse directed movement wasn't allowed they would not run so much... on risk of falling).
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I were once fighting with some annoying dwarf who i killed 4 times and he was everytime going back from DR to me in lass then 10 minutes. And trying to RP that a dwarf always wins and i need to die.
The 5th time he got me as i got tired and didn't realise my weapons were hided ;]
Yeah, some rules are needed to avoid such a silly situations.
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I do like these rules. Especially the death one. 5 days should amount to weeks in Ylikuam and its sensible that it took you weaks to leave DR.
3: If PvP ends with death, you enter DR, your sould is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there, you have to stay there minimaly 5days (you can skip one day or stay longer dependant on ressurection rp you'll set up).
Yay - at last I understand why some players need so many alts.
Must be quite annoying to not be able to play for 5 days.
Being in DR for 5 days should not mean "use an alt." There is "life" in Death Realm. In other words its possible to do things and rp while there. Is there as much oppertunity as there is when your alive? Maybe not but you took the chance. I'm not saying you have to spend hours just sitting in DR doing nothing but whats the point of the punishment if your just going to find some kinda way to avoid it?
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Fozzharn, if you do not agree with the rules Socia made for roleplaying with her, just avoid RPing with her instead of critizing those rules. Personally, I think some kind of rules are needed, as too many persons that are unfamiliar with RPing try to be "cool" and just want to kill Socia's character for the bounty, not caring for roleplay at all.
Oh, that's good roleplay alright! I have to not play with characters X, T, F and Q, and I can only RP with Z, B,G and K per the rules they have posted some not ingame, and S,Y and R only RP on tuesdays and saturdays, I must ignore C,E and M, but not V, while B,W and P ignore me but not U. Sounds like not only do you need some rules, you also need to define "roleplay". While obviously, godmodders and those who simply ignore any pretense of RP are a problem, I cannot understand the "I will ignore any who don't play by my rules" attitude that I see here frequently.
I will RP with anyone, anytime. But that said, don't expect me to be up to date with "your rules", or some story that you wrote up in a forum or on your website, and get all huffy because I don't say or do what you expect. If the plot isn't readily available (or at least discoverable) ingame, to any and all who may be around, then either you failed to develop it properly, or you are godmodding. I've seen comments here in the forums to the effect of "I don't train X because it takes too long, but I RP X because it suits my character". I've also seen long (and well developed) stories posted here that are supposed to be RPed in the game, yet there is nothing ingame to support it.
Its an RPG. Many, it seems, prefer to forget the RP. But just as many others seem to forget the G. For an example of both, read the older thread about fighting on the plaza. Half the comment were "if its not built in the game it doesn't exist", the other half were "fighting isn't RP, stop it". As someone who was present at that incident, and who talked to characters involved, I say both are wrong. From talking to the characters, there clearly was *some* RP involved, but most agree it wasn't well developed, so not apparent to onlookers. But on the other hand, I saw no effort from onlookers to RP in or around the incident, although there was plenty of opportunity.
If in a real life scenario a fight breaks out in the plaza, what do you do? Ignore it? Hardly! In that incident, most of bystanders either went on with their auctions/training/smithing/whatever and pretended nothing was happening, or immediately started complaining and crying for GM intervention. No attempt to run for cover, or call the guards, or anything resembling a real response. (Particularly odd, since in the discussion, the so called RPers keep quoting the guards as why fighting in the plaza wasn't RP. If that's so, then I'd think yelling "GUARDS" would be the first thing to do...)
So since I've already typed more than I normally do in a week, I'll just condense it to: RP is not about "your" story or rules. And the game is not about killing and power leveling. That's not to say you can't develop your story, or train and level your character, but your story should be developed in game, and if the game throws you a curve, you should have enough imagination to adjust, not say "I'm ignoring that". And your leveling should be in accordance with the character you are RPing, not just maxing out because you can (but if you are RPing a great swordmaster don't let me find out your SWD level is 3). RP should be all inclusive of other players and the game (and yes there are ways to deal with ooc players that are still IC and RP). Its a game, and your RP should not ignore or exclude the other players and events going on in the game any more than the game should exclude RP. It really is more fun when it all works together.
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I were once fighting with some annoying dwarf who i killed 4 times and he was everytime going back from DR to me in lass then 10 minutes. And trying to RP that a dwarf always wins and i need to die.
The 5th time he got me as i got tired and didn't realise my weapons were hided ;]
Yeah, some rules are needed to avoid such a silly situations.
Nikodemus, it was me, i remember :P xD
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I was trying to avoid using your name, but if you insist^^
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1. Agreed. Even if you know where a person is, it does not mean your character would.
2. Agreed. I would actually like to see the system to do this. At least for an hour anyways. 24 hours is a bit heavy.
3. No. I would agree with a few hours, or maybe even a day. That is what it will likely be once the DR is 'completed'. Plus, "your soul is blind and lost there and probably needs help out of there" is in direct conflict with what the settings say about the DR. Your soul does not go there alone, and in fact you are ressurected (your body is recreated) at the moment of death in the DR. You are quite alive and kicking in the DR, with no ill affects. The portal is just a way to bring your live body back to the 'living' realm. However, any fool running back from the DR to attack you again in less then half an hour or an hour should just be ignored.
4. Agreed. Also, do not EVER play another person's actions for them. One moron tried to do that with me once, and said my character was hit with a bolt of energy and was twitching on the floor. Odd, seeings how I was still standing, and no one else saw it happen. Only GMs can control your actions.
5. Do not state what you are thinking in open chat, and no one can claim to read your mind. Example: Moon looks around the room, thinking that Socia reminds him of his grandmother.
Bad form.
On the other hand, "I read your mind so i knew you were going to toss that fish at my head." is also very bad form.
In addition to socia's rules, I would add
6. PAY ATTENTION TO NPCS!!! Even though they do nothing, you should not be playing that they do nothing. Do not fight in front of the guards, for they would arrest you. Do not fight in front of NPCs, for they would call for the guards. Do not claim you can fight in front of NPCs or Guards because you bribed them all, and you own them now. That is just lame.
7. Stop STANDING IN THE RAIN. You are getting wet and smelly. If it starts to rain, unless you have a good reason to want to get wet, GET OUT OF IT. Consider this as practice for when rain makes your quality drop faster.
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@UTM 3: oh yes sorry, this was from old times when it wasn't stated if it's your soul or body or whatever. Reason for 5 days is logical :
When you get hurt it's 24hours, it takes some times to people to learn about your fight and that you got hurt so they need time to react.
When you die it's something what should mean problem or everyone would just be dieing all the time, so people have to learn that you are dead, you might not return and so on. 5 days give time to learn about it and run ressurection rp if possible[which is fully dependant on idea]
5: I state what I think when it's possible to notice that she is thinking about something, you can ask "oh what are you thinking about, you look thoughtful" "I'm thinking that you look like my grandfather" "....sucker"
6: Guards can and can't arrest me, I play character whom was trained by high class warriors since child, she would be able to fight one guard and resist arrest from 2 guards.
7: same point, she spent too many hours standing still in rain and watching her target that it doesn't matter to her... Just her bones hurt every morning cause of it ^.^
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I think it's alright to state what your character is thinking even if it's not easily perceivable for other characters. It gives things a sort of narrative quality. However, I would only do so in front of players that I would trust to realize that their character can't read my characters thoughts. IE it's OK to do (and, I would argue, even good to do if done right), but bad to react to in an IC manner.
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Odd. People generally know what my characters might be thinking, and never a though of theirs reaches the chatbox. I think it robs from the RP to be 'told' what is going on in another character's head, rather that finding out for yourself. In fact, I often find reason to leave when thoughts start flying. It feels... awkward to have to ask a person what they are thinking right after they just told you.
/me looks up at the sky, thinking about all the times he watched the clouds as a boy.
Person: Gee. What you thinking about there?
Me: Oh... I was just looking up at the sky, thinking about all the times I watched the clouds as a boy...
Redundancy is not my fashion.
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redundancy department of redundancy?
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i always steered clear of that kind of rp. i never thought it was right.
*coneitic stares up at the sky, looking as if in deep thought*
never made sense to me to type what you were really thinking, seeing as how they wouldnt know.
thats like descriptions. i never thought it was right to give your whole backround in the description. i always thought it was for your "description" guess people like to spoil the fun of getting to know someone and making more conversation.