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Title: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Akashani on October 22, 2007, 11:26:53 pm
Wedding Invitation



Greetings citizens of Yliakum,

Lady Akashani and Sir Kemedes will marry

on Saturday 27.10.2007
at 18:00 GMT (UK)
20:00 CET (Central Europe)

we want to invite every resident of Yliakum independently of affiliation or race.
It is an honour to welcome you to the ceremony at the Eagle head of the Bronze Doors Fortress.



sincerely yours Akashani and Kemedes



Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: LigH on October 23, 2007, 01:18:57 pm
Wonderful! We will try not to miss it!
/me rubs his pin and tells all royal members about it...
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Ironstark on October 23, 2007, 01:32:14 pm
what time will that be for england?
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: RoberetGoldsmith on October 23, 2007, 01:36:43 pm
Quote from: Ironstark on October 23, 2007, 01:32:14 pm
what time will that be for england?
Quote from: Akashani on October 22, 2007, 11:26:53 pm
Wedding Invitation



Greetings citizens of Yliakum,

Lady Akashani and Sir Kemedes will marry

on Saturday 27.10.2007
at 18:00 GMT (UK)
20:00 CET (Central Europe)

we want to invite every resident of Yliakum independently of affiliation or race.
It is an honour to welcome you to the ceremony at the Eagle head of the Bronze Doors Fortress.



sincerely yours Akashani and Kemedes





Gmt (UK) means england :P so 6. O'clock if you don't  know the 24 hour clocks :P And I hope to come, now as for wedding gifts hmmmmm  :whistling:  ;D
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Ironstark on October 23, 2007, 01:39:00 pm
umm, woops... :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins on October 23, 2007, 05:42:29 pm
Lolitra sits at her bureau and pens out a ceremony... "it was lovely of them to ask me to take the ceremony, I just hope I do them proud." She says to her watching Groffel.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Donari Tyndale on October 23, 2007, 06:02:53 pm
/me examines her wardrobes and shakes her head. She mumbles "Darn...not expensive enough" and hurries off to get a dress.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 23, 2007, 06:36:32 pm
Oh now you'll buy a dress Donari, eh?!
/me mumbles something.

Anyway, I might stop by if I'm around.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Ironstark on October 23, 2007, 09:37:16 pm
sorry guys this is  :offtopic: of me but do my story thing...im getting embarraced
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: ThomPhoenix on October 23, 2007, 11:38:33 pm
[What are you talking about, Ironstark?]
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Cebot on October 23, 2007, 11:59:31 pm
/me remembers his own wedding, where a kran showed off some ritual and thinks "No no, if kemedes will do that, I better don't go there".
/me writes a little note and sends it to kemedes. The note reads "Kemedes, I hope you won't do Ecuetas' ritual (and don't expect anyone to do it)"
/me rubs his chest and mumbles "If I find the time, I'd travel to the fortress, but surely will wear plated torso armor"

<ooc>
Congratulations, If I find the time, I'll be there!
</ooc>

Cebot
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Kezar on October 27, 2007, 10:35:12 pm
2 picture from of the wedding
(http://666kb.com/i/at0mekpgco49fn5x4.jpg)  (http://666kb.com/i/at0mf5fsumdsm881k.jpg)
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Raa on October 27, 2007, 10:39:07 pm
Why would you want to marry a Kran? Ain't that sort of pointless?
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 27, 2007, 10:53:05 pm
/me couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 27, 2007, 10:56:41 pm
/me knocks Parallo and Raa on the heads
"It's About LOVE, man! That's never pointless. No stereo types in love!"
Nice pictures  :flowers:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 27, 2007, 11:17:02 pm
Okay, but say kra loves she as much as she loves kra, is it still not a fruitless marriage as far as biology is concerned? I think that Kran should consider the fact that they don't need a mate to reproduce before marrying.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 27, 2007, 11:39:09 pm
/me knocks Parallo again on the head a bit harder
Not every marriage is meant to produce children.... Can't you really think of another simmilair situation where 2 people marry but can NOT produce children together? IT'S ABOUT LOVE!!!! LOVE!!! LOVE!!!
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Raa on October 28, 2007, 02:41:17 am
Freakin' hippie!!!
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Marqsaynt on October 28, 2007, 03:55:06 am
The President of Iran just went on TV and said there were no krans in his country. :P (sorry, couldn't resist.)


Yeah, I think some real world stuff is getting pulled into this without much merit... According to the settings, Krans are asexual creatures, they are not male or female... and arguably shouldn't have the distinct traits of either. However, I think as an OOC community of non-asexual reproducers (at least I am :P) we let our own background unwittingly dictate some aspects of the way we RP.

For example, Krans aren't male or female... but they're large, strong, stone like creatures that are pretty much exclusively treated by people as being male. I mean when was the last time you heard someone walk up to a kran and go "excuse me miss?" Now, think of how many times you've heard people call them "sir, Mr., etc." For further proof, just ask yourself when was the last time you saw a male character marry a kran? Or for that matter even another kran marrying a kran?

Perhaps normal human life is so far removed from that of the fictional kran that its incredibly difficult for us to be able to accurately relate to and act in a kran like RP manner. In many ways I see this as a failure of our own imaginations. Settings wise, I think kran's getting married is a bit out there and personally I wouldn't have a kran character of mine fall in love... but, from a real-person standpoint I can understand how it could happen.



 
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Earl_Listbard on October 28, 2007, 04:25:13 am
I've seen a kran couple... only one...but then again being a-sexual kran would have no use for marriage really... Let alone relationships. Alas Kemedes is special, I say GRATS TO HIM!!!
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Raa on October 28, 2007, 05:11:43 am
Krans shouldn't have a marry option, anyway.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Earl_Listbard on October 28, 2007, 05:14:42 am
Quote from: Raa on October 28, 2007, 05:11:43 am
Krans shouldn't have a marry option, anyway.

Thats jumping the gun.
Kran have feelings, just like all other beings, no where does it say they are emotionless.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: RoberetGoldsmith on October 28, 2007, 05:17:46 am
Quote from: Raa on October 28, 2007, 05:11:43 am
Krans shouldn't have a marry option, anyway.

Ah don't be so crude :P 

Underneath the rocky, mineraly surface lies....... a soul :D
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Raa on October 28, 2007, 06:47:30 am
Love doesn't have to be an emotion for Krans.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 10:49:52 am
Kran aren't to be called he or she. They are to be referred to as Kra. As in look at kra over there, kra is really smelly or whatever. I just see way to much of this Kran maleness and attempts by players to play them as something that the settings specifically say they aren't; male. Anyway, would you marry a rock :P
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:08:35 am
Quote from: Raa on October 28, 2007, 06:47:30 am
Love doesn't have to be an emotion for Krans.
Sure redefine The emotional upset of an species to get your right :P
Love isn't one emotion, it's many in one.
Everyone can love, I love you  :lol:
Quote from: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 10:49:52 am
Anyway, would you marry a rock :P
It's better then marry someone who doesn't believe in love  ::)
People marry everything http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php?id=65626
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 11:13:51 am
Quote from: Socius Rockus on October 27, 2007, 11:39:09 pm
/me knocks Parallo again on the head a bit harder
Not every marriage is meant to produce children.... Can't you really think of another simmilair situation where 2 people marry but can NOT produce children together? IT'S ABOUT LOVE!!!! LOVE!!! LOVE!!!
According to triangular theory of love, love without passion is a companionate love. Now companionate love usually appears several years after the marriage. People don't really get married if they don't feel passionate for each other.

It's actually sad when people are given a really unique race, but they, instead of giving it an unique personality, decide to commonise it instead.

This having been said, I always disliked the idea of this "kra" word. As if we didn't have gender-neutral pronouns in English. I mean, even singular 'they' sounds more natural and less confusing than that.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:16:31 am
Who said there isn't any passion?
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 11:27:25 am
If you consider Kran don't have genders and there's no need for love in their society, you also have to assume on the course of evolution they either lost or never developped hormones responsible for conducting brain messages associated with passion for another being.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:39:20 am
They at least have to know the companion love as you said, else they would have evolved into some kind of self caring parasite attacking everything that comes in it's way.
And maybe it's not the love "we" (as humans and other species in PS) know but more as a love for a god.
It think it mayhap work as joy, some get their joy out of friends, others drinking and yet other out of murdering.
But me not being in the settings team, nor being a psychiatrist I think we should ask them 'The Kran' what they consider love LOVE LOVE!
But I'm sure they have it  :) in every way  :lol:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 11:44:27 am
Slippery slope logical fallacy. Also a strawman.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:48:00 am
No just trying to get people thinking that traditional weddings as we know from RL don't necessarily have to be so in PS  ;)   For we don't have a non-sex species in RL  :lol:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins on October 28, 2007, 11:48:16 am
All centient beings have their own sort of feelings.  How we perceive them may be different.  Perhaps Kemedes and Akashani have found a mutual way to share their feelings and have chosen to follow the way of the flesh in marriage, as a mark of commitment from Kemedes, who possibly finds it hard to show these emotions in the same way as Akashani would.

Krans would have most likely picked up on how fleshy beings exchange their emotions in a more physical way, and may even try to mimic them to feel part of the society in which they dwell.

To say they cannot know 'love' is narrow minded.  However, to share love with others may be a more difficult and less physical for them.

Perhaps it is the only way Kemedes could comprehend that Akashani would understand his 'commitment' to her needs...

I think the wedding was lovely, (but I would say that...) and I think they play their races well..

[oocly - it is possible to fall in love without having a sexual passion to start with, and it is possible to sustain that love over many years, knowing you cannot have children. I DARE ANYONE to challenge me on that!!  17 yrs I have been married, I love my husband, and we cannot have children...]
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 11:52:30 am
Quote from: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:48:00 am
No just trying to get people thinking that traditional weddings as we know from RL don't necessarily have to be so in PS  ;)   For we don't have a non-sex species in RL  :lol:

Umm, yes. You tried to do that and in doing so committed logical fallacies.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:55:50 am
I'm sorry for not always speaking with my brains, But if you got the point what are you trying to say  ???
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 11:59:48 am
You are creating a target that is easy to shoot down so that it seems that your argument is better. Thats a strawman. You said that Kran would become completely self serving. Thats not true and not something we said. Also saying that is a slippery slope fallacy because you're saying that if thats true then this thing which isn't true must also be true as a consequence. Its like saying evolution cannot be true because that means that the human race will end up practicing eugenics.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 12:08:13 pm
Nah I said if they didn't know "any" form of love, that includes not having "love for family, love for city, work ect." and I didn't say someone else said that Kran don't have completely no love. ::) That's like logic
Quote from: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:39:20 am
They at least have to know the companion love as you said, else they would have evolved into some kind of self caring parasite attacking everything that comes in it's way.
I repeat "As you said" refers to having companion love, that's what draklar said some posts before  :lol:
See ^^, I don't put words in someone mouth, That's a fallacy, learned that at Dutch class ^^
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 12:14:12 pm
Love for work, etc. is not what we are talking about. It is completely off topic. Some would even argue that that is not love. Its still a slippery slope argument. Its basically taking something to absurd extremes to show that it isn't true which can be used in normal logic but this argument contains a non sequiter too.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 12:23:42 pm
I disagree with that being of topic as we disused different types of love before, I didn't prove a point by saying what i said I only supported draklar that Kran have companion love
Quote from: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 11:13:51 am
According to triangular theory of love, love without passion is a companionate love. Now companionate love usually appears several years after the marriage. People don't really get married if they don't feel passionate for each other.
Despite I think kran have more then companion love in "love love"I'm pretty sure I didn't use my "slippery flipperly mega dumb' argument to state that  ::)
PUH! ( :-[ Got carried away)
anyways, again I shall ask Kemedes when he's on  :flowers:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 12:48:19 pm
Quote from: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 11:39:20 am
They at least have to know the companion love as you said, else they would have evolved into some kind of self caring parasite attacking everything that comes in it's way.
You may wish to read some ingame books.

And as I said, companionate love is hardly enough to make people marry each other.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 12:53:34 pm
Say, for example, you are a male hetrosexual. You have a male best friend whom you care very much about, in fact love dearly yet in a completely non sexual way. Would you marry your male best friend because you love them?
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Socius Rockus on October 28, 2007, 01:18:16 pm
Yeah, you see, you say heterosexual. In that case probably not. But it's hard to talk about sexual preference in a society with multiple "Compatible" races of which one doesn't have a gender. Aslo your question insinuates that I know my preference, how would I know? I mean if I'm heterosexual It's because I'm in love with (in my case) a girl, If I loved my friend more I might be a homosexual. 

I mean , C'mon! Why on earth is it so hard to accept that two things can love each other and marry for that reason? Why don't you ask why on earth things aka people have to marry in the first place? marriage is nothing more then an expression of love, I can't help it that in RL some bureaucrats, rules, formalities and whatever made 'our' RL marriage as how it is.  That doesn't mean PS marriages should be held the same way, or for the same reasons. Because they can't.

we have to think further then the "normal" definitions of love and marriage in a society completely different then ours (ours <-- being RL).
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: evil scotsman on October 28, 2007, 02:38:58 pm
Quote from: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 12:53:34 pm
Say, for example, you are a male hetrosexual. You have a male best friend whom you care very much about, in fact love dearly yet in a completely non sexual way. Would you marry your male best friend because you love them?

A Kran by definition cannot be male, so this pretty much ends the logic of that chain of reasoning.

As far as the topic of Kran having emotional responses that are analogous to what we know, well lets put it this way, settings has nothing to say on the subject of Kran emotionality, so we can pretty much RP them more freely than perhaps we can Ylian, since ylian are constricted to 'normal' human emotional responses.

RP in PS must be in line with settings, however in situatuions where there are no rules defined, then we must be free to decide for ourselves how we RP our characters. To define Kran as emotionless, or incapable of feeling empathy for other beings would leave us with nothing to do with kran other than to mindlessly eat, sleep and reproduce. If we allow kran any emotional responses then they must be allowed to express them, in a consistent RP manner, this must include Love, Hate, Passion, Ennui, or in fact any emotion that we as humans feel appropriate to the situation.

I for one think that Socius has it right, we need to think beyond our narrow RL definitions in a society that has many sentient species, since sentience appears to include emotion.

Finally, I'd like to congratulate Kemedes and Akashani, and wish them happiness in their union  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 03:04:26 pm
So we should fill gaps in the settings as we see fit? That just leads to total inconsistancy.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 04:18:47 pm
Quote from: evil scotsman on October 28, 2007, 02:38:58 pm
As far as the topic of Kran having emotional responses that are analogous to what we know, well lets put it this way, settings has nothing to say on the subject of Kran emotionality, so we can pretty much RP them more freely than perhaps we can Ylian, since ylian are constricted to 'normal' human emotional responses.
Ah, but the setting provides information about Derghir emotionality, and Derghir are biologically very similar to the Kran.
Quote from: evil scotsman on October 28, 2007, 02:38:58 pm
A Kran by definition cannot be male, so this pretty much ends the logic of that chain of reasoning.
If I understood Parallo correctly, his example was meant to provide a situation akin to that of a companionate love. If it is so, then no matter whether we're talking male, female, a pebble or a zebra. The logic stands as valid.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Akashani on October 28, 2007, 04:44:08 pm
thanks for the congratulations.  :sorcerer:  \\o//

I've married this Kran because he is a wonderful person.
In a marriage the main thing is love, trust, fidelity and the feeling of security. And not only sexual reasons.

I'am sure my Husband and I will live perfectly happy together for the eternity.


I hope other people will follow our instance of living together without compatibility!!!

Why not a Kran and a Ynnwn? :)
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Parallo on October 28, 2007, 05:12:42 pm
Quote from: Draklar on October 28, 2007, 04:18:47 pm
If I understood Parallo correctly, his example was meant to provide a situation akin to that of a companionate love. If it is so, then no matter whether we're talking male, female, a pebble or a zebra. The logic stands as valid.
You did.
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Anumesa on October 28, 2007, 08:21:57 pm
Congratulations Akashani and Kemedes!!!!  \\o// \\o//

[ooc-Ok seriously people, get over it, they got married. Yay!]
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Kieve on October 28, 2007, 10:43:15 pm
...and they ate Sir Robin's minstrels - and there was much rejoicing. (*yaaay*)
Title: Re: Wedding Invitation
Post by: Raa on October 29, 2007, 04:59:26 pm
Uuggggghhhkkkh.

We need one of the developers to answer the whole KranXYnnwn relationship.