PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: darhark on December 15, 2007, 12:55:58 pm
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I've noticed a single "racial intolerative" post at Oja board and it made me to think about that. Just don't laugh. I was wondering if there's any cats and apes in the world of PS (well at least known or remembered). And if there are apes, do they eat bananas or not ???. I was RPing in my head a story about a conflict in Ojaveda between Ylians and Enkidukai after one foolish ylian said "myau" in a tavern full of enkis.
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Racial intolerance is actually not very likely to happen. The people of Yliakum know no racism.
The land of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the distances between cities are not great, and trades are a central part of Yliakum society.
Sadly people seem unable to be original and always end up dragging racism into their roleplay. Bad, bad people! You should be ashamed of yourselves! :thumbdown: What is so appealing about disliking people for being born a certain way?
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Sadly people seem unable to be original and always end up dragging racism into their roleplay
I've never noticed... except that post, of course
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Well that's good, it's how it should be.
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:oops: Don't get me wrong. It's just an imagination - a thing that rarely can be stopped by an act of will, and i don't really think it should. I've just imagined that situation and how could it be finished. In my scenario, an insulter was dropped alife into the bureal well :devil: (resulting in permadeath), and an incident was immidietly forgoten, therefore anyone knew there is already a precedent. I could not stop myself from commiting that horrible act of never seen violence :-[.
And finally, do we know anything about cats, apes, and bananas? I'm afraid i will loose my sleep before i know it.
*edit*
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I think i should not start the topic. The Devil comes when you call 'em ))
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You really, really need to read the History. History of PlaneShift (http://www.planeshift.it/setting.html) You can then use your imagination with what the settings are. Over all there isn't supposed to be anything in Yliakum that exists in real life as far as I know. (Though there are certain things in the game that people have argued about in the forums when it comes to having some similarities to real life.)
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Ahh i've read it. There's nothing about cats.
"Only two races are native of the huge cavern: the Kran created by Talad and the Lemur created by Laanx. All other races are said to arrive from magical portals connected to other worlds."
So some things can still be remembered, like a Sun, for example
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/me chuckels
I am just trying to picture my character Zorbels (Fenki) petting a cat. I think she would eat it rather than have it as a pet. :P
:) In all seriousness I can't really tell you if there are cats or apes in PlaneShift, as I don't think any player can. I think only a Dev or Talad himself could tell you.
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Racial intolerance is actually not very likely to happen. The people of Yliakum know no racism. The land of Yliakum is a melting pot of races with different culture and origin, mixed and integrated by living together over the centuries. Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown, given that the distances between cities are not great, and trades are a central part of Yliakum society.
Sadly people seem unable to be original and always end up dragging racism into their roleplay. Bad, bad people! You should be ashamed of yourselves! :thumbdown: What is so appealing about disliking people for being born a certain way?
Because frankly, Lemurs are just better than everyone else.
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That's not racism, Phin ... that one is just called "delusions of grandeur". :P
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That's not racism, Phin ... that one is just called "delusions of grandeur". :P
It would be... if it weren't true...
In all honesty, I think that racism is somewhat justified in Planeshift since the differences between the races are so distinct. Not shocking for the Xacha or Lemurs to be elitist, since they are in general smarter than the other races, etc. The Klyros might look down upon others due to their ability to glide, etc. The Kran might find other races to be unstable and "hasty"(not to use an Ent-ish term) etc. etc.
I'm not saying run amok with it, but I don't see it as completely unjustified.
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Well I can see your point ... but I don't know if having different traits encourages racism. Racism to me is saying All Xacha are better than all Kran, regardless of the individual. It's an unfounded prejudice towards a race.
Saying that on average Xacha are more educated and more skilled in magic than Kran, that is simply stating reality. Kran could say that they're stronger and resilient to Xacha magics in their defense. You see its no longer racism in my eyes when it's reality. I guess there is still going to be a bias towards those exceptions within a race and they can claim racism but in general, the racism should be less than in our world. Because of the interbreeding, shared history and hostile outside world I can see more reasons to work together and use eachother's strengths to compliment eachother than to create hatred between races.
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Well, in my mind the more general racism would look a lot more like the forming of "cliques" in a high school than in the "brutally murder all those with different skin color". I'm not so much envisioning hordes of Lemurs picking on a a family of Nolthrir who stumbled into their village... more along the lines of a group of Xacha sitting by themselves in a tavern and refusing to mix with the "vulgar and unrefined" races of lesser intelligence...
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Racial intolerance is actually not very likely to happen. The people of Yliakum know no racism.
It is outlawed; not unknown.
Because of the interbreeding, shared history and hostile outside world I can see more reasons to work together and use eachother's strengths to compliment eachother than to create hatred between races.
And yet in USA it works otherwise. Perhaps reason hasn't ever been the driving factor for the masses.
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Well, actually we've had a good little PR there. He was roleplaying so good (even if he said just a pair of sentences) that i've even started to think he really thinks so. Then i realised he cannot think so if only it's not an actual cat playing there ::|, what is doubdfull. No one got hurt.
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Why would we have cats and apes? as is mentioned earlier in the post none of the races are native to the cavern, they didn't evolve there so therefore no cats or apes unless brought in during arrival.
A second minor point strange how all the racism ideas we have had centred on Enkidukai
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A second minor point strange how all the racism ideas we have had centred on Enkidukai
Emm. Don't you have a cat? They are real racists! Mine is thinking i'm here to serve it. Dogs - not, ferrets - not, even cocroaches are not. But cats - yes. So it is.
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Well the two races the get the most racism is Kran and Enki. Likely this is because they are the two most unique races (Klyros can be rare to be seen sometimes and these are more common). Enkis get the cat reference while the Krans aren't considered the brightest. There is some reasons behind both though.
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A second minor point strange how all the racism ideas we have had centred on Enkidukai
Emm. Don't you have a cat? They are real racists! Mine is thinking i'm here to serve it. Dogs - not, ferrets - not, even cocroaches are not. But cats - yes. So it is.
I think your getting racists mixed up with independent when it comes to using cats as an example. Cats are very independent. I have a cat. My cat doesn't discriminate who pets her as long as someone does. She doesn't care if the hand that feeds her is black or white, she just cares about being fed. I don't believe a cat is capable of being racist.
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No cats, and no apes in PS. That is untill Settings tells you there is. It is not against the settings to -not- have a cat, but it likely is if you do.
Despite what you may have seen in Cherppow's thread. Yes, we have no bananas. We have no bananas today!
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To be implemented ;D
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no cats.... no apes... no bananas! no tarzan's either !!! (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY) (<-- link)
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When they use OOC descriptions for race traits, such as "Enkidukai have cat-like reflexes" (or something like that...I really don't remember >.> but I read it somewhere), it seems like they would also have cats in the game. If you were actually writing a book on what the enkidukai were like ICly, how would you describe them?
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When they use OOC descriptions...
Because it's just that, an OOC description for the benefit of the player, not the character.
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Probably it would best to use terms from Jayose's library. I am sure at least some have descriptions of various Enkidukai. If there isn't any then perhaps that should be a topic worth being written about?
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Believe it or not, racism in PS isn't such a bad thing, as long as one keeps it to a character and IC level, because despite the fact that we are playing as an original system of characters, its not like we can change how they interact socially, if you understand what I mean. Because in real life, humans express racism as a means of social interaction between their race and another, and while PS is not all humans, the characters interact on a very human level, and that's probably unavoidable due to the fact that humans control them. Overall, what I'm trying to say is that as of now racism is present in Planeshift's society, and in support of a complex social structure in the game, I suggest it stay that way.
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Is probably unavoidable cause enough for us to not even try and forget about racism for a change?
I still find it sad that we as human beings can't leave that racist view behind us. It serves no purpose and has no benefits .. heck it's outright despicable behaviour but somehow people go around like it's normal and alright. Sorry but I don't get that at all. I don't see how you can say it's alright to be racist because we're human and humans just are racists. :P
Personally, I think you shouldn't even leave racism out for the game because the settings ask it ... you should do it because it's simply not a good point of view to have. See this game world as an exercise of how a racist free world could look. ;)
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No cats, No apes, No bananas.
Racism is punishable by death in the octarchy.
Go read the in game books. The world may have once had such conflicts and due to this racism was outlawed, and anything remotely thought to inspire racism was outlawed or burned. The harsh boot of the old octachy crushed this out hundreds of years ago.
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Racism in-game, wouldn't that be an IC reflection of OCC sentiments? As in the character is merely acting on the prejudices of the player? You also have to consider the development of "My race is better than yours" as an in-game equivalence to the development of nationalism in world history. There you see the development of "us" vs "them"...if you have no idea what I'm talking about please look it up before you start arguing =). I would hesitate to call this sentiment racism, owing to the negative connations that are present when it is used; what better word can subsitute the pride and joy of being of a particular race?
Personally, as a player, I don't like the enki race, possibly because they have received more attention then any other in the development phase(bias perhaps, but it's true). Therefore, my char(s) will have some prejudice, but the degree of which will be determined by their personality moreso. As well, there will be some racism (for the lack of a better word) considering that there are certain races that -can't- interbreed (or are asexual). As in, if a klyros wishes to have a family s/he will have to and only marry another klyros. The other races of Yliakum have a wider selection available, owing to their genetic makeup. I am of the opinion that owing to this species difference, there will be -some- racism. But it should not be intentionally from players themselves, I'm not saying that. In this case, it was created (sorry guys) by settings.
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I think that only animals needed by the humans to survive would be brought over. Such as live stock (cows, sheep, oxen, hosers, ext...) and animals used to herd them (dogs, hosers, ect...). Also they would likely have grans, fruit seeds, and vegetable seeds. Last would be food stubs and they may of had to kill off some of the animals. They would change overtime because of breading. Also maybe rats.
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theres a semi-racist bandit in oja....he's an npc blue kinda short and hates klyros...i was talking to him and i asked if i could help him and he said "so you want to be a hero do yah?" isaid yep...he said something about heros being rat fodder and i repeated the conversation and out of curiosity i said no...he replied by implying that cowardice is common among klyros...plus...klyros should literally despise the lernurs due to the fact that klyros were initially slaughtered en-masse by laanx and laanx created the little green bastar.......i mean really disrespectful jer.....people....