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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leama on January 04, 2008, 01:45:28 am
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I want to learn more about the ignore feature.
How does it work?
Does it work only in ‘tells’ or does it work when someone is standing right next to you?
How can a player know if they are on another person’s ignore list?
How can someone take a person off their ignore list? (let’s be friends again, yeah!)
Why do people use it in the first place?
If a problem does occur in game between two characters how can someone report them?
If a person is reported, what happens to that person?
A quick note from me, the little dramatic one, or so I have been told, I do think that this is a game and it is so sad to me that we cannot try to get along better. It is sad that the /ignore feature needs to be implemented at all. I still want to know how it works.
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/ignore Leama
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/ignore Indygo but only after I give him a hug.
/me laughs.
So tell me how this ignore thing works.
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How does it work?
Does it work only in ‘tells’ or does it work when someone is standing right next to you?
How can a player know if they are on another person’s ignore list?
How can someone take a person off their ignore list? (let’s be friends again, yeah!)
Why do people use it in the first place?
If a problem does occur in game between two characters how can someone report them?
If a person is reported, what happens to that person?
Type /ignore, then add the first name of the person you want to ignore.
Both.
They can't.
Type /ignore, then remove the name you want removed.
To ignore noobs that have a problem knowing when to stop.
Type /report <name>. You can also use a petition.
GMs will see a log of what they did and choose how to handle the problem.
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If you want to try to make up with someone who is ignoring you, you could always sit around where they will see you with a book in front of you that has a personalized message as its title. /ignore only works with chat messages of whatever kind. You can still be seen. Maybe they can be shamed into taking you off their list. Of course that may end up with a GM telling you to pack it up and leave them alone and it is kind of an out of context thing to try. Then again /ignore is out of context too.
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I've never actually used that command... I find that I'm quite capable of ignoring people in actuality, while using that command can cause problems if I have need to speak with them later... Just not worth the hassle.
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The last time I used that command wasn't too long ago actually. There was a guy who challenged me to a duel inside Kada El's, which I accepted out of realisms sake. I then ran to the guards outside the tavern with the barfighter chasing me and reported him. :P Obviously the guy didn't care much about that and started whining about how I accepted a duel so I couldn't be mad at him for fighting ... so I used /ignore to pretend he was hauled off by the city guards and I could enjoy my roleplay in the tavern again. A while afterwards I removed him from the /ignore list. He threw me a party and all was good again ::)
Anyway, what I'm saying is that I use the /ignore command in situations where people are bothering my roleplay because they don't understand the concept and refuse to leave me alone. It's never permanent with me though.
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Excellent idea bibous.
How does a player know that someone has you on their ignore list other then they do not respond to you? It seems to me it would be hard to rectify a problem if you cannot talk it out. Becoming friends again could make for a great role play I think.
/me thinks I better check on Indygo next chance I get.
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Well the ignore option is for those times when talking doesn't work anymore. Then ignoring often saves a whole lot of irritation. Only used ignore on like three people the whole time I've been here, but I was really glad I could use it those times I can tell you that.
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How does a player know that someone has you on their ignore list other then they do not respond to you? It seems to me it would be hard to rectify a problem if you cannot talk it out. Becoming friends again could make for a great role play I think.
That could work out, but /ignore is OOC. People use it to ignore annoying players, not friends. Besides, usually the kind of player people ignore is a stubborn noob who doesn't give a poo about roleplaying.
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Haha. A book with the title "Im Sorry!"? Have books replaced pets as the new signposts? I can see someone sitting with a book as a type of card board sign for begging. ::)
If you want to try to make up with someone who is ignoring you, you could always sit around where they will see you with a book in front of you that has a personalized message as its title.
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Wait, you can change the titles of books? How?
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Where it says "Blank book of Anarkia" (or whatever) at the top, just click that and you can change it. You have to be in the writing window though.
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How does a player know that someone has you on their ignore list other then they do not respond to you? It seems to me it would be hard to rectify a problem if you cannot talk it out. Becoming friends again could make for a great role play I think.
That could work out, but /ignore is OOC. People use it to ignore annoying players, not friends. Besides, usually the kind of player people ignore is a stubborn noob who doesn't give a poo about roleplaying.
Have people been ignoring you again?
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Perhaps, but that isn't any of your business.
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I've never actually used that command... I find that I'm quite capable of ignoring people in actuality, while using that command can cause problems if I have need to speak with them later... Just not worth the hassle.
I'd agree with you of course :P I've never used ignore and I really don't plan to..
Besides, usually the kind of player people ignore is a stubborn noob who doesn't give a poo about roleplaying.
I've never actually had the desire to ignore a newbie for the fact that they are a newbie. New to the game doesn't make them ignore worthy as eventually they may learn and become a very intresting rper. The only time I've felt tempted to use ignore was againt people who were players and had been here for long amounts of time, most times longer than me. People who have been playing for a considerable amount of time but are stubborn or unwilling to change are the people who I'd ignore because they probably don't plan to leave or change :P
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Pah, new people who come out of the tutorials have no excuse not to know what rp is, and that you should use [] when speaking oocly... They join the list of blocked people on my ignore list. Its gotten to be so common for me to ignore people (not just new guys, but really even old ones who despite being told to put their ooc in [], never do) that I use a ignore shortcut... I have no regrets.
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Phinehas you make me laugh. I think this feature should be ignored.
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Pah, new people who come out of the tutorials have no excuse not to know what rp is, and that you should use [] when speaking oocly... They join the list of blocked people on my ignore list. Its gotten to be so common for me to ignore people (not just new guys, but really even old ones who despite being told to put their ooc in [], never do) that I use a ignore shortcut... I have no regrets.
Now I like the tutorial, don't get me wrong. The problem with it for me is that I don't think a lot of new players actually read it all, especially when it comes to the rp section in which the ncps talk in huge paragraphs. I could see them only reading the very bottom parts, finding out enough just to say what the NCP wants next. In the end we get plenty of people who barely even payed attention to the tutorial and end up learning rp much later like always. But at least they usually know how to use the mechanics by the end ;)
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Pah, new people who come out of the tutorials have no excuse not to know what rp is, and that you should use [] when speaking oocly... They join the list of blocked people on my ignore list. Its gotten to be so common for me to ignore people (not just new guys, but really even old ones who despite being told to put their ooc in [], never do) that I use a ignore shortcut... I have no regrets.
Now I like the tutorial, don't get me wrong. The problem with it for me is that I don't think a lot of new players actually read it all, especially when it comes to the rp section in which the ncps talk in huge paragraphs. I could see them only reading the very bottom parts, finding out enough just to say what the NCP wants next. In the end we get plenty of people who barely even payed attention to the tutorial and end up learning rp much later like always. But at least they usually know how to use the mechanics by the end ;)
well thats their fault, not ours.
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How does it work?
It helps to ignore those in which you cannot get past a problem with. The command I believe is /ignore <players first name>
Does it work only in ‘tells’ or does it work when someone is standing right next to you?
I believe it works with all chat windows. They cannot read you or you them.
How can a player know if they are on another person’s ignore list?
I don't believe they can know unless someone who doesn't have them on ignore tells them. (I would advise against this though as you will end up in drama that you don't want to be in.)
Why do people use it in the first place?
Because sometimes issues between players cannot be resolved and it is better for those players to have each other on ignore so that other players are not affected by the drama. Some people use it to just tick off those that they are not getting along with, and others use it to block out the godmodders. There are many different reasons.
If a problem does occur in game between two characters how can someone report them?
/report <Name>
If a person is reported, what happens to that person?
The logs will be recorded for five minutes if my memory servers me correct. The GM's will look at the logs. Then they will approach both parties and mediate with the two parties to rectify the problem. If there has been something serious done to a player from another they could be looking at some ban time.
I understand that you aren't particularly fond of the /ignore command Leama but it does have it's uses. Take for instants a ten year old girl playing a character and having some dirty 45 year old man trying to cyber with her. It is nice that she would have a way to log, report and take care of that issue. That is just one example.
That could work out, but /ignore is OOC.
I don't all together agree with that. I think that it can be in character if done right. In RL I can ignore someone easy ... just put in my MP3 headphones or leave a room all together.
I had to once roleplay putting a person on ignore. He was the only person I had ever put on ignore. I was in the middle of a war and he was godmodding. I told him that if he didn't stop his mindless chatter I would have the gaurds come and put a gag in his mouth and take him away on grounds of insanity. He kept going on about his almighty powers. So I roleplayed a gaurd coming to take him away with a gag stuffed in his mouth. When the gaurds got there I punched in /ignore <Shamless godmodder will remain nameless>
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I had to once roleplay putting a person on ignore. He was the only person I had ever put on ignore. I was in the middle of a war and he was godmodding. I told him that if he didn't stop his mindless chatter I would have the gaurds come and put a gag in his mouth and take him away on grounds of insanity. He kept going on about his almighty powers. So I roleplayed a gaurd coming to take him away with a gag stuffed in his mouth. When the gaurds got there I punched in /ignore <Shamless godmodder will remain nameless>
I like it... punish godmodding with godmodding... Nice.
I use a ignore shortcut... I have no regrets.
... or friends.
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Phinehas I can always count on you to say something witty. In this case though Zorbels is correct and I see the importance of the ignore feature. It is just sad that it has to be used at all. Thank you Zorbels for the explanation.
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I had to once roleplay putting a person on ignore. He was the only person I had ever put on ignore. I was in the middle of a war and he was godmodding. I told him that if he didn't stop his mindless chatter I would have the gaurds come and put a gag in his mouth and take him away on grounds of insanity. He kept going on about his almighty powers. So I roleplayed a gaurd coming to take him away with a gag stuffed in his mouth. When the gaurds got there I punched in /ignore <Shamless godmodder will remain nameless>
I like it... punish godmodding with godmodding... Nice.
Already Phinehas. Have it your way but do me a favor, instead of just those witty remarks of yours why don't you try telling us what you would do better? Why waste a post? What wouldn't appear to be godmodding and still handle the situation without disrupting RP? I have never once said that I couldn't learn something new or that I was a master roleplayer, so enlighten me. It would help those who seem to have a negitive out look on your posts to see that you actually do have something to contribute besides half remarks that really help nothing, but leave those you quote confused as to your motive.
BTW I am saying this with a smile on my face and no I am not trying to be sarcastic. (Sometimes Phinehas you seem to misread my tone so I figured I would make it clear this time :) )
Also I suppose what I posted could be considered Godmodding, though myself personally I fail to see how. I didn't RP it out to show myself as a better RPer than the player that was godmodding. He was doing that exactly to those around him with his casting heal spells to healed one half of the army, and teleporting to certain people on his favorite side of the battle just in time to save them from being stabbed. I did it to have him roleplayed out in my mind and others went along with it because they were tired of telling this guy they felt like they couldn't RP with him due to his incapability of looking behond his character.
The point was you can RP /ignore. No matter what example I gave that you can find flaws in.
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I like it... punish godmodding with godmodding... Nice.
Is there another way? ... besides UtM's way of sacrificing your character in permadeath and guilt tripping them? :P
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In reply to Zorbel's post, which I didn't bother quoting since it was large:
Oh but I prefer sticking to witty remarks. You see, if I don't actually give suggestions than people can villainize me in their minds and it makes it easier to take my sarcasm and arrogance since they can believe that I'm just a jerk who picks on people with no reason but doesn't even have anything constructive to say... This way I get the satisfaction of poking holes in people's ideas, and they get the satisfaction of ignoring what I have to say with a healthy amount of self-righteous indignation. If I started actually giving ideas, people would have to pay attention, and it would be a huge blow to their egos. I wouldn't be so selfish as to put people through that humiliation, just so I can imagine the exquisite looks of frustration on their face as they realize that not only am I a jerk, but I'm right... So really, I'm just looking out for everyone else. ;)
I like it... punish godmodding with godmodding... Nice.
Is there another way? ... besides UtM's way of sacrificing your character in permadeath and guilt tripping them? :P
Well, that is always fun. Frankly, there are lots of ways to ignore bad RP. Different people have different ways of doing it, and that's fine with me if it works for the situation. Personally, though... I tend to take a passive approach. By this, I mean that while I'm comfortable ignoring a godmodder, or RPing away his actions into insignificance, I'm not will to become a bad RPer by super-imposing an action upon him. It's the principle of the thing... If he's annoying me by super-imposing my actions or his worth upon my RP, then I'm not going to do the same back to him. I'll let it slide, RP around it, RP his actions into relative insignifance, raise an eyebrow at him and treat him as though he's mentally deluded, or even, in desperate times, ignore certain things that he's said(obviously I will have /telled him that his behavior isn't appropriate, but of course that is not guaranteed to work) and move on as though they never took place. I have more patience than most due to life circumstances, and am not afflicted by a short temper, so I have never found it necessary to /ignore someone when I can just ignore them.
So to recap... I'm not saying that the ideas previously mentioned in this thread are bad... I'm saying you have to be smart about it and think on your feet... What may work in one situation may not in another... what may be necessary in one situation may be an overreaction in another... what may seem fine in one situation may be ethically questionable in another... I'm not going to make your decisions for you, but don't get into the habit of treating every person with a single remedy. There is not a single remedy for bad RP.
Look what you've done now, Zorbels... People might actually have to stop and think about what I have to say... I hope you're happy!
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Of course one could say that largely ignoring someone's actions is a form of godmodding itself. A milder form maybe but still ... which is what I meant. Opposing godmodding is always done by godmodding yourself.
As for the topic at hand .. I admit that I use /ignore for my own convenience. I use it when I don't feel like telling someone what they did wrong and how it can be done better in an RP environment. Sure, I can ignore them without the command but why do I need to make that effort. If all I want is to enjoy this game and someone with a different idea of enjoying the game disrupts that for me .. then I have the right to /ignore them.
Granted, the other side won't learn anything from it and I haven't contributed to 'the greater good' ... but I already try that enough so I'm entitled to not do so every once in a while. :P
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Of course one could say that largely ignoring someone's actions is a form of godmodding itself. A milder form maybe but still ... which is what I meant. Opposing godmodding is always done by godmodding yourself.
It is, but like I said... a more passive form... There's a difference between /me continues to talk to Zan despite Noobzors raving in the background, and /me summons the guard who take Noobzors away for being annoying.Granted, the other side won't learn anything from it and I haven't contributed to 'the greater good' ... but I already try that enough so I'm entitled to not do so every once in a while. :P
Of course... Like I already said, I'm not saying no one should ever use /ignore. Please, use it... I really don't care. All I'm saying is don't get into the mindset that one rule fits all... You know that because you're an experienced and rational RPer, but not everyone is and they shouldn't be encouraged to overreact.
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I had to once roleplay putting a person on ignore. He was the only person I had ever put on ignore. I was in the middle of a war and he was godmodding. I told him that if he didn't stop his mindless chatter I would have the gaurds come and put a gag in his mouth and take him away on grounds of insanity. He kept going on about his almighty powers. So I roleplayed a gaurd coming to take him away with a gag stuffed in his mouth. When the gaurds got there I punched in /ignore <Shamless godmodder will remain nameless>
I like it... punish godmodding with godmodding... Nice.
I use a ignore shortcut... I have no regrets.
... or friends.
I lol'd.... friends are over rated anyways.
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Of course one could say that largely ignoring someone's actions is a form of godmodding itself. A milder form maybe but still ... which is what I meant. Opposing godmodding is always done by godmodding yourself.
It is, but like I said... a more passive form... There's a difference between /me continues to talk to Zan despite Noobzors raving in the background, and /me summons the guard who take Noobzors away for being annoying.
A couple of things. Thanks for the response to my post and explaining yourself a little clearer. I want to point out that this player wasn't annoying. They were behond that causing some serious disturbances. I want you to keep in mind Phinehas that this was the first person that I ever had to put on ignore. It may not have been as passive as you would like but I feel I did an ok job with it. I also don't see much difference in the way you would handle it in VS the way I handled it. Actually you have many similarities in your post to mine. *Zorbels puts the two posts together for others to see*
I'll let it slide, RP around it, RP his actions into relative insignifance, raise an eyebrow at him and treat him as though he's mentally deluded, or even, in desperate times, ignore certain things that he's said(obviously I will have /telled him that his behavior isn't appropriate, but of course that is not guaranteed to work) and move on as though they never took place.
I had to once roleplay putting a person on ignore. He was the only person I had ever put on ignore. I was in the middle of a war and he was godmodding. I told him that if he didn't stop his mindless chatter I would have the gaurds come and put a gag in his mouth and take him away on grounds of insanity. He kept going on about his almighty powers. So I roleplayed a gaurd coming to take him away with a gag stuffed in his mouth. When the gaurds got there I punched in /ignore <Shamless godmodder will remain nameless>
Now my little statement here was the short version. I did send him a /tell several times. I tried to roleplay with him just to show good sportsmanship. I tried to speak with him in group with others to back up my my issue with him so that he would see it wasn't just I who had an issue. This all fell on deaf ears. The only difference between you and I is that I RP gaurds coming to take him away. You just plain out ignored the person. I don't think the action is really godmodding and if it is in your eyes so be it. I have worked hard to not have to be labled with those words. If one action is considered godmodding then I guess we can all be guilty now can't we?
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Aw don't worry about it too much Zorbels, Phinehas is a godmodder from way back. He is the awesomest and most powerful wizard of the ages able to shrivel anti-magical Kran with the slightest effort and never once needed training -- well his training was all in his back-story, not in game. His very signature casts failure upon all others.
Me, I'm just a lawn mower...
What goes around, comes around and to each their own -- ad nauseum.
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Aw don't worry about it too much Zorbels, Phinehas is a godmodder from way back. He is the awesomest and most powerful wizard of the ages able to shrivel anti-magical Kran with the slightest effort and never once needed training -- well his training was all in his back-story, not in game. His very signature casts failure upon all others.
Me, I'm just a lawn mower...
What goes around, comes around and to each their own -- ad nauseum.
Very amusing, Bilbous. Despite the stories I've written for fun, any power Phinehas has(and you've never seen me roleplay an inordinate amount of power) has been carefully built up over the four years I've played this game. Compared to most of the rest of you, Phinehas has actually been in Yliakum long enough to have gained his power without the complete use of a backstory.
Zorbels for your part, I was careful to point out that I didn't necessarily think that your way of treating the situation was a bad one, simply that I don't want people to get the idea that there's only one way of treating bad RP that is right for all situations. When you post an extreme example like that on the forums experienced RPers, and those that know you, would of course know that there was a little more to it, and that you wouldn't do that in every situation, but young RPers may see it as you showing them how to deal with a situation in which there is bad RP. For the rest, if you feel the need to get defensive about your behavior, or answer to me for it, or be crushed because you imagine that you have now been labeled as a godmodder... feel free. It makes it all the more amusing for myself.
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if you feel the need to get defensive about your behavior, or answer to me for it, or be crushed because you imagine that you have now been labeled as a godmodder... feel free.
:whistling: You have got me alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll wrong. *Sighs* Am am not either of those things. Trying looking into the positive light Phinehas. You may then see and understand my posts. Besides it takes me looking up to you as a Rper for me to have those sorts of feelings. This is something in which I don't. Why? because the one and only time I saw you in game you spent a half hour criticizing my roleplaying in /tells well I was in the middle of a RP you weren't involved in.
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/me chuckles.
I have actually never used /ignore.
If someone is being disruptive to me in an unrealistic way, thus forcing my character into an ignore or RP-along-to-a-stupid-situation, I don't put them on ignore. Instead, I kindly tell them why their RP is out of bounds. If that fails, some of you know what I resort to. Godmode?
/me grins.
You could call it that. I like to call it bringing the situation back to realistic bounds. A good roleplayer will not try to incorporate foolhardy actions into their roleplay, in my opinion.
There are many features of the game that cannot be directly roleplayed. Spawns, PP, floating names, etc. We are asked to glaze those over and trudge on. I see nothing wrong with doing the same to a disruptive player (not to be confused with a well-played disruptive character.)
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if you feel the need to get defensive about your behavior, or answer to me for it, or be crushed because you imagine that you have now been labeled as a godmodder... feel free.
:whistling: You have got me alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll wrong. *Sighs* Am am not either of those things. Trying looking into the positive light Phinehas. You may then see and understand my posts. Besides it takes me looking up to you as a Rper for me to have those sorts of feelings. This is something in which I don't. Why? because the one and only time I saw you in game you spent a half hour criticizing my roleplaying in /tells well I was in the middle of a RP you weren't involved in.
Yes, I'm sure you I have you all wrong...
Strange, isn't it, how different memories can be? I have a rather... different remembrance of that episode... supported by pm's that followed it, but no need to hash it out in public. If you desire to represent my actions to the rest of the world in a negative light, feel free. But I will not do the same to you.
For the record, I usually correct people in /tells and only do it in general chat when I think more than one individual can benefit from my suggestions.
As for Mooney, I admit to disagreeing slightly with the way you handle some RP situations, but I respect your experience, intelligence, and ability in RP enough to not attempt to persuade you away from something I know I couldn't anyway.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEDEu25XqUc
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earl, you're something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o71SAjiPwBI
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Well...I personally dont use ignore because i hate the fact that the person you are ignoring never really knows that you ignored them until someone else tells them. I always get nervous that they will try to RP with me and everyone else will wonder why im completely oblivious to them.
That said..I have used it once, though i ended up taking the person off my list later. I found it quite nice..i only had to listen to them when i felt like reading the chat bubble over their head :thumbup:
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Just for you Neko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_9sbNXNNYA)
kind of of topic though.