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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: DracoDanube on January 07, 2008, 08:44:37 am

Title: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: DracoDanube on January 07, 2008, 08:44:37 am
I have 'trolled' (constructively criticised) PS, ad infinitum.

I have also donated money via pay-pal, via the PlaneShift web site. I did this because even though I have thrown teddies out of my pram, I am a devoted comPlainShifter and I am impressed with:

- The game play.
- The continued evolution of the game play.
- The nuttas on irc.eu.freenode.net #planeshift
   (although perhaps 'impressed' is not appropriate here)

As long as I am playing the game I will happily donate money, annually to the increased quality of the game.

Have you (the PlaneShift people) thought about getting together some merchandise that us comPlainShifters could purchase?

- Mugs
- Shirts
- Model Trepors, Tefusangs, Ulbers, etc.
- Calendars
- Posters
- Model Krans, Ynnwn, etc.

Me and my fellow comPlainShifters are passionate about the game and if we can help increase the quality by donating funds so you can buy some dedicated test computers (for example) OR if some of the people and organisations who kindly spare their time and effort making PS possible, could be rewarded in some way, that would be awesome too, in my opinion.

How to generate funds for PlaneShift?

PS.
The bitchin' will continue regardless. For example:

I do wish that Talad would stop using the 'F' word (free) as an excuse for any of the games ills. Because that's bolox. Just because something is free has nothing to do with its quality, it's to do with the attitudes of your developers; so don't do it again.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: acraig on January 07, 2008, 09:06:20 am
Have you (the PlaneShift people) thought about getting together some merchandise that us comPlainShifters could purchase?

- Mugs
- Shirts
- Model Trepors, Tefusangs, Ulbers, etc.
- Calendars
- Posters
- Model Krans, Ynnwn, etc.

Me and my fellow comPlainShifters are passionate about the game and if we can help increase the quality by donating funds so you can buy some dedicated test computers (for example) OR if some of the people and organisations who kindly spare their time and effort making PS possible, could be rewarded in some way, that would be awesome too, in my opinion.

How to generate funds for PlaneShift?
We've talked a bit about this but have not really set moved on anything.  It would just add another layer of work that we would have to do :).  Once we have a properly formed 'Public Relations' department this would be their responsibility.  However, we've not had much luck finding good people for that.  Most times people 'try out' for PR because they don't have skills to work in other aspects or think that PR just means talking to people on IRC :)

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I do wish that Talad would stop using the 'F' word (free) as an excuse for any of the games ills. Because that's bolox. Just because something is free has nothing to do with its quality, it's to do with the attitudes of your developers; so don't do it again.

Well, it falls into 2 general areas I think. 
First,  is that people complain about stuff that is obvious such as "You should get a stable server" or "Get rid of the client lag".   Those cases might raise the ire of long time players and some people connected with the project.  :)
Second, is that that some people are under the impression that we are actually a development company.  While it's great to be compared to the 'brick and mortar' companies out there we have to make sure that the point is that the game is done at the speed of life and not at the speed of business.   

But you do raise a good point.  Just because this is a hobby doesn't mean we should not try to do our best,  at the moment this responsibility is mine.  As long as people realize that we really are trying to do out best it should work out for everybody. 
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Zan on January 07, 2008, 09:12:41 am
There are loads of threads about this and all of them have the same answer:

Planeshift is FREE by own choice.  If you insist on donating, donate to the Engine: Crystal Space 3D (http://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/Main_Page), this indirectly helps Planeshift to evolve as well.

The excuse of this being a free game isn't about money in my eyes, it's about all the Developers being volunteers. Most of them have actual jobs outside of the project and only work on this in their free time. Donating won't make them quit their jobs. No amount of donations or whatever else you can think of can give Devs enough financial security to quit their real jobs. ::) The only thing that can do that is Talad making a very good business plan, which includes selling Planeshift to paying customers only and making it a commercial game.

Like Acraig just said, they're not part of a company, only a volunteer project. As for not trying their best ... I actually find motivation among a lot of Devs to be pretty high because they do this out of love for the project, not financial reasons.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Rayken on January 07, 2008, 02:05:01 pm
I know it's been said before, and I know Acraig has responded to this query by stating a lack of PR manpower, but just for the record, i would like to state that I would totally purchase a Planeshift t-shirt.  Especially with the slogans "you have fallen off the edge of the world and died," or "this is message from the server, you should not be seeing this."  I realize fully that it's not a priority now, especially as it's been repeatedly stated that their is no real need to raise funds at this time.  I just wanted to make clear that were anyone to undergo such an effort, he or she could depend on a purchase from me.  For the record.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 07, 2008, 02:16:46 pm
I agree with Rayken... I'd buy PS merchandise.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: emeraldfool on January 07, 2008, 03:15:28 pm
I do wish that Talad would stop using the 'F' word (free) as an excuse for any of the games ills. Because that's bolox. Just because something is free has nothing to do with its quality, it's to do with the attitudes of your developers; so don't do it again.


That's true, though I can see both sides.

If I wasn't such a talentless hack, I probably would've joined the team about a year ago. By now I probably would have made a significant (or, at least 'noticeable') contribution to PS, which I would be very proud of. If someone said "you should work harder, for absolutely no reason other than my impatience", I'd be pretty pissed. What do any of the devs owe us?

Then again, it IS frustrating when you're enjoying a game, only to find that the devs don't really care about it ("I'm just a volunteer, it's not my problem if you're not satisfied"). I'd prefer if Talad was deeply hurt by allegations that his game should be better, rather than shrugging it off.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Socius Rockus on January 07, 2008, 03:22:03 pm
I'd prefer if Talad was deeply hurt by allegations that his game should be better, rather than shrugging it off.
Hurting the same spot again and again creates Callosity ;) and the one who makes the allegations must be considered as well, I mean "oH I've played it a couple of times and i didn't know how to get out of DR within 10 minutes so you suck!" wouldn't hurt anyone  :lol: (yes I know, over extreem  ::) )

 :flowers:
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Tuxide on January 07, 2008, 03:32:53 pm
How to generate funds for PlaneShift?
PlaneShift doesn't need funds, it just needs labor.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Earl_Listbard on January 07, 2008, 03:35:15 pm
Amen tuxide... so ask yourselves fellow players; What is stopping me from applying to join the staff?
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Tuxide on January 07, 2008, 03:36:42 pm
Amen tuxide... so ask yourselves fellow players; What is stopping me from applying to join the staff?
The reason is that you're too damn busy playing an awesome game.  Same goes for me.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 07, 2008, 04:02:46 pm
I know it's been said before, and I know Acraig has responded to this query by stating a lack of PR manpower, but just for the record, i would like to state that I would totally purchase a Planeshift t-shirt.  Especially with the slogans "you have fallen off the edge of the world and died," or "this is message from the server, you should not be seeing this."  I realize fully that it's not a priority now, especially as it's been repeatedly stated that their is no real need to raise funds at this time.  I just wanted to make clear that were anyone to undergo such an effort, he or she could depend on a purchase from me.  For the record.


curious: does this have to be done officially, or can a crazed bunch of PS fans pool their money and time and do it themselves? Seriously...how hard is it to get a whole bunch of tshirts silk-screened?

Just saying that there is a lot you can do, as a player, without needing to be part of the 'team'.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Anumesa on January 07, 2008, 04:11:23 pm
I would pay anything for an Ulber plushie  ;D
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 07, 2008, 04:14:37 pm
nothing like cuddling up to an ulber late at night...


i guess the good thing is that it won't eat you ( I hope).


So, here's another question: What would the money go towards? the next batch of ulber plushies?
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Socius Rockus on January 07, 2008, 04:48:23 pm

curious: does this have to be done officially, or can a crazed bunch of PS fans pool their money and time and do it themselves? Seriously...how hard is it to get a whole bunch of tshirts silk-screened?

Just saying that there is a lot you can do, as a player, without needing to be part of the 'team'.
Well the art of PS is licensed, So Ulbernauts and the likes are too. Now I'm not sure but I think it's illegal to merchandise something that is licensed ;)
So a Player couldn't do it, and c'mon would it really be worth investing in? It would probably take more time to set up then maing a quest I think ;) :flowers:
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 07, 2008, 05:22:52 pm

curious: does this have to be done officially, or can a crazed bunch of PS fans pool their money and time and do it themselves? Seriously...how hard is it to get a whole bunch of tshirts silk-screened?

Just saying that there is a lot you can do, as a player, without needing to be part of the 'team'.
Well the art of PS is licensed, So Ulbernauts and the likes are too. Now I'm not sure but I think it's illegal to merchandise something that is licensed ;)
So a Player couldn't do it, and c'mon would it really be worth investing in? It would probably take more time to set up then maing a quest I think ;) :flowers:
That's just it... I've talked to Mooney about this before... The art and everything is licensed, so players can't just do it... or I would have. As for the devs, they'll never get around to it... As for whether it'd be worth the time and effort, it'd be pretty easy to do via cafepress.com or one of those similar things...
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Zan on January 08, 2008, 04:53:36 am
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 08, 2008, 06:15:37 am
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Yeah... no.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 10, 2008, 09:58:45 pm
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Yeah... no.


there's an idea Phinehas! Why not join and be a PR member? You'll have the gaming websites swooning at your charm and charisma!
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 10, 2008, 10:35:02 pm
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Yeah... no.


there's an idea Phinehas! Why not join and be a PR member? You'll have the gaming websites swooning at your charm and charisma!
I know you won't actually believe this, but I have quite a deal of charm and charisma, if I choose. But why would I start being nice all of a sudden? I'm nice in real life, I'm not going to start being nice in PS, too...
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 10, 2008, 10:37:41 pm
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Yeah... no.


there's an idea Phinehas! Why not join and be a PR member? You'll have the gaming websites swooning at your charm and charisma!
I know you won't actually believe this, but I have quite a deal of charm and charisma, if I choose. But why would I start being nice all of a sudden? I'm nice in real life, I'm not going to start being nice in PS, too...

Who said you had to be nice to be part of the PR team? The rest of the MMORPG community isn't nice to PlaneShift, so we need someone who won't be nice back. Don't you see? You and PR are a match made in heaven!
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 10, 2008, 10:41:33 pm
Join the Dev team as a PR member and I'm sure you can do it. ;)
Yeah... no.


there's an idea Phinehas! Why not join and be a PR member? You'll have the gaming websites swooning at your charm and charisma!
I know you won't actually believe this, but I have quite a deal of charm and charisma, if I choose. But why would I start being nice all of a sudden? I'm nice in real life, I'm not going to start being nice in PS, too...

Who said you had to be nice to be part of the PR team? The rest of the MMORPG community isn't nice to PlaneShift, so we need someone who won't be nice back. Don't you see? You and PR are a match made in heaven!
But the very being mean on behalf of PS means that I'm being nice to PS... You see the awkwardness of my position...
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: nerdful1 on January 10, 2008, 10:43:25 pm
Art is licensed to what gpl?
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Tuxide on January 10, 2008, 10:44:46 pm
Art is licensed to what gpl?
No.  Only the source code is GPL; all content is proprietary.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Under the moon on January 11, 2008, 03:13:01 am
Art, content (stories, races, quests, etc), music, and rules belong to Atomic Blue. This is for several good reasons. One is to prevent people from making fifty carbon copies of the game. That would be a complete mess and waste of resources. There would be a great deal of confusion about which PlaneShift is the best to download (Linux anyone?). The community would be divided into a fraction of what it is now.

The other reason is to prevent idiots from taking our hard work and turning it into something stupid or vulgar.

And the quoting is hurting my eyes!
/me stuffs Phinehas and Liadan in a pickle barrel and rolls them down a hill.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Xillix Queen of Fools on January 11, 2008, 09:26:43 am
You will get your swag, fear not.

As leader of PR team (and person most likely to beat acraig with a wooden spoon) I can tell you initiatives are underway to get some merc out for you. As will all things ps it will take time. Acraig correctly asserts that the PR team needs more people for its volunteer staff. Some of you are aware that I also run the settings team with atm must be my primary focus. The growing settings team requires much of my energy.

It is also true that donations are not a major focus for us at this time.

Happy PlaneShifting.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: zorbels on January 11, 2008, 04:14:57 pm
I think this thread is the closest to on topic I can get with this question.

Is there any issue's with the PlaneShift Dev's or Talad if I have an order waiting for me to pick up a personalized mug from Wal-Mart with images of PlaneShift on it?

I originally had a mug done with one of my forums siggy's but I was thinking about getting another mug or two with screeni's on them of Hydlaa and Ojaveda. Obviously I am not selling them as I am getting them done for myself personally. 
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 11, 2008, 04:39:07 pm
Art, content (stories, races, quests, etc), music, and rules belong to Atomic Blue. This is for several good reasons. One is to prevent people from making fifty carbon copies of the game. That would be a complete mess and waste of resources. There would be a great deal of confusion about which PlaneShift is the best to download (Linux anyone?). The community would be divided into a fraction of what it is now.

The other reason is to prevent idiots from taking our hard work and turning it into something stupid or vulgar.

And the quoting is hurting my eyes!
/me stuffs Phinehas and Liadan in a pickle barrel and rolls them down a hill.

Fun times.

/me eats the pickles while going round and round and offers a few to Phinehas
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 12, 2008, 10:05:12 pm
I think this thread is the closest to on topic I can get with this question.

Is there any issue's with the PlaneShift Dev's or Talad if I have an order waiting for me to pick up a personalized mug from Wal-Mart with images of PlaneShift on it?

I originally had a mug done with one of my forums siggy's but I was thinking about getting another mug or two with screeni's on them of Hydlaa and Ojaveda. Obviously I am not selling them as I am getting them done for myself personally. 
I'm interested in knowing the reply to this, too.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Socius Rockus on January 13, 2008, 04:22:56 pm
!!!WARNING THIS MAY NOT BE THE TRUTH!!!
Isn't that like downloading stuff instead of buying it?
In my country the rules are as follow (I think) , Simply put:
You MAY download stuf like movies/music (NOT Software) the 'unusual' way.
You MAY NOT Sell that stuff, upload that stuff nor modify and sell and/or upload it.
Whether or not Talad or any other Developer would like it or not, they can't do anything about it?
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: acraig on January 13, 2008, 04:33:38 pm
I believe it falls under this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Lanarel on January 13, 2008, 04:35:53 pm
Socius, I do not think that is the same :). The downloading thing means that there is no legal action possible, since the law does not prohibit it. I think Atomic Blue could have the legal right to prevent you from using the art for which it has copyright. I would be surprised if they would mind though :) Like you, I guess the key thing is that you do not make a profit from it.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Quq Leque on January 14, 2008, 06:33:35 am
Bring on the limited edition PS mousemats :) I think Harnquist action figures might be a bit over the top for now ....
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 14, 2008, 10:37:52 am
Phinehas plushies anyone?
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Liadan on January 14, 2008, 10:38:58 am
I think Marqsaynt plushies will be more of a hit personally; he tends not to rub people the wrong way. =)
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 15, 2008, 01:20:09 pm
Yes, I just like the thought of the confusion people who be going through to have a cute and cuddly version of me.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Zan on January 15, 2008, 01:52:54 pm
I'll take a Phinehas voodoo do .. erm plushie!
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 15, 2008, 03:47:29 pm
I'll take a Phinehas voodoo do .. erm plushie!
I'm not donating personal items so that you can make voodoo dolls out of my plushies... Anybody who's played Secret of Monkey Island II knows that just having a figurine of the person isn't enough...
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Under the moon on January 16, 2008, 01:25:23 am
/me prints out one of Phinehas's stories and stuffs it in a Phinehas plushy as he grins evily...

Plushies are a bit over the top for me, but miniatures are fun to collect.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: Phinehas on January 16, 2008, 05:12:44 am
/me prints out one of Phinehas's stories and stuffs it in a Phinehas plushy as he grins evily...

Plushies are a bit over the top for me, but miniatures are fun to collect.
/me runs to erase all his stories from the forums..
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: nakai on January 27, 2008, 12:10:06 pm
I can do screenprinting or,digital garment printing with one of these:http://myt-jet.com/

If you guys are looking for customized PS merchandise,i could print it.

If the funds would help us get a stable server,im all for it.
Title: Re: Financial donations to PlaneShift.
Post by: neko kyouran on January 27, 2008, 12:12:54 pm
nothing wrong with the server.  its uptime is near 99%.

its just the software running on it that causes the unstable-ness, mainly the code to the game.  :P  but that is vastly improved over, say what it was 2 years ago.  :)