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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kaityra on April 16, 2008, 07:47:07 pm
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Hello!
It seems that with the new craft cooking/baking the littering has increased significantly. But isn't littering forbidden in Planeshift? I'm not familiar with the system but I assume that bread pieces are not a final product, so it seems as if people throw away materials from inbetween steps. I guess this is done to increase the appropriate skill. This could be easily solved by giving experience only once the product is finished.
With kind regards
Kaityra
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There is an other thread about this issue there is currently no other way to get rid of these items because you can't eat them and no NPC buys them ;)
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As for the Bread Pieces... Try to find something 'cooking-wise' to do with them... They're there for a reason.
We may be cruel and sadistic, but we don't usually put anything "dead-ended" in, unless it's going to be expanded very soon to be useful
:sorcerer:
Bread pudding anyone?
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Put them in furnace and burn them.
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burnt bread smells awful..... :-\
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Better a smell than poor players with just enough specs to play game lagging when they get close to piles of discarded items.
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I agree burn them..but I Think that takes time..would it be that hard to make an NPC that buys them for 0 tria??
I've not started cooking yet..but I've seen lots of litter.
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I agree burn them..but I Think that takes time..
It doesn't really take any time...depending on where you are of course. If you are in Oja, just take a short jog to Trasok's. All you have to do it dump it in the furnace and go back about your business. Even if you're far away from the furnace, it turns to dust and eventually disappears. The only thing is temporarily taking slots away from ore melters. :-[ :whistling:
But, seriously, the cooking stuff tends to clutter up the inventory in a hurry. I literally had 512 pieces of bread within like 20 minutes. And since the max stack is 65...well do the math. People can't use some of that stuff, can't sell it, so they get frustrated and dump it. So for now, burning is the best solution. (Sorry crafters) Sooner or later, cooking will expand even further and hopefully everything will have a purpose. Right now, you can make lots of stuff which can't be used further.
Pssssst! It might also help to have some of this stuff actually be edible. It is food afterall. ;)
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tell that the folks who drop their litter around the furnaces.
i try to tell em rpish but the keep ignoring me and go on...
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But, seriously, the cooking stuff tends to clutter up the inventory in a hurry. I literally had 512 pieces of bread within like 20 minutes. And since the max stack is 65...well do the math.
Yeah, seems like a lot of roleplaying is happening here. ::) If it is that easy to produce something then there is something wrong with the crafting system IMHO.
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The furnace option isn't that bad. All you have to do is put the food in the furnace and go back to cooking. It will take care of itself without you standing there. And leave the pile of dust in the furnace they will eventually disappear on their own.
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The only problem with the furnace option is that then crafters will start to whine about all the cooks hogging the furnace to dispose of all their waste ;) I've seen how much stuffs been littered around, and I know some that have been picking it up so I've not even seen it all yet. Thats gonna take up a lot of slots and they will complain because they can't use the furnace then what it is for.
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But, seriously, the cooking stuff tends to clutter up the inventory in a hurry. I literally had 512 pieces of bread within like 20 minutes. And since the max stack is 65...well do the math.
Yeah, seems like a lot of roleplaying is happening here. ::) If it is that easy to produce something then there is something wrong with the crafting system IMHO.
The main issue is not how easy is it to produce anything but the units that are produced every time. From every bread you get 10 slices.. and that is not too bad considering that for every water bucket you get 28 water pouches or that the minimum amount of apple jam you can make is 40 units. Unless you are hosting dinners every single day I can't imagine why would anybody want to have that much.
If those would be reduced littering would probably decrease along.
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Put them in furnace and burn them.
...Maybe we could implement a super heated furnace, with the sole purpose of disposing of waste... one could be in every town... you throw something in, and in mere minutes, whatever it is, it is burnt to ashes. This way, crafters wont get annoyed, and its actually realistic... Many people burnt rubbish back in the days of yore, right?
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Put them in furnace and burn them.
...Maybe we could implement a super heated furnace, with the sole purpose of disposing of waste... one could be in every town... you throw something in, and in mere minutes, whatever it is, it is burnt to ashes. This way, crafters wont get annoyed, and its actually realistic... Many people burnt rubbish back in the days of yore, right?
/me tosses Earl into the super heated furnace "err..opps I thought he was a trash bag I swear!'
not a bad idea really...
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Please for now just put up with it, there was a few bug discovered with the bread pieces and slices, that is why it was removed to be fixed.
1 i can share with you is bread weight is 0.5 after slicing and pieces, the end weight of all this is 16.0.
So if you are doing cooking, keep this in mind.
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Here is a question: just what are you cooking on/in? Would it happen to need a fuel source where you could put your burnt offerings? Just where does that heat come from anyway. If they are wood stoves they should be able to take bread and other things that are not too wet. Liquids ought to be able to be poured out on the ground....
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There is an other thread about this issue there is currently no other way to get rid of these items because you can't eat them and no NPC buys them ;)
I envision a solution in which big fat Kikiris running around Oja :)
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That or just make a button that when pressed allows us to choose and item to destroy.RP wise it may not be very logical but at least it wont be too much trouble.Well either this or the furnace.Or maybe an an endless capacity storage in-towns.In the form of...You guessed it.A trash pile.In the days of yore they realy weren't high on hygiene.
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I vote for a food-offering shrine to Talad that gives you faction for burning bread :)
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I vote for a food-offering shrine to Talad that gives you faction for burning bread :)
I was just about to suggest an NPC at or around the temple and one somewhere in Oja that collects donations of bread for the poor, but that's good, too. :D
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One thing is certain: littering is an unfortunate side effect of development. This (http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=1430) bug report reminded of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIwCN9Ot4k4) cartoon. I guess it was filed by a sneak litterbug! Too bad the video is such poor quality.
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They don't have trash cans in this world? :-\
Seriously, either implement a vendor or someway to destroy items. I would love a vendor to sell them too, but it never made sense to me to be able to dump hundreds of items on a vendor in unlimited quantities. If you're worried about the RP aspects of it, put trash cans in the game that people can dump stuff into and it disappears as soon as you do it. Assume that the NPC's are capable of taking out the trash. Trash cans could be located near the tradeskill areas.
I think ideally a vendor would buy up to a certain amount in any day of game time. After that, you'd have to dump the extra. Just an idea.
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Make it so you can make bread crumbs, and then make breaded fish, breaded kikiri meat, etc.
Or just have the kikiris and rats eat the crumbs.
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Fill up a sack with waste and sell it. Pretty simple, unless that option has been changed. (I have been gone a while).
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Fill up a sack with waste and sell it. Pretty simple, unless that option has been changed. (I have been gone a while).
Excellent idea, one problem. Sacks don't hold as much as they used to... You can easily make way more bread pieces than several sacks could hold.
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Make "waste sacks" that can hold more?
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According to "the plan"....
Waste
Ducts that have been dug out in the rock are used to dispose of human waste. Larger rubbish and bodies are simply thrown into almost vertical and apparently endless wells. Nobody seems to care about where all of this junk finally ends up, since the stalactite theory is only devised by some Xacha scientists and has not been proven yet. Dead bodies are eliminated the same way. Though discarding dead in such a callous fashion would seem rather shocking, neither of the two main faiths at Yliakum requires particular care nor reverence to dead bodies. To the people here, a body is simply a non-functional apparatus or an empty shell with no soul. However, nothing is ever thrown into the lake. The law forbids this disposal method not only out of courtesy to the Nolthrirs, but also to protect the seaweed population. Polluting the lake is one of the few crimes punished with death.
Where are the ducts?
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They are already in-game. Look for them :)
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Just keep in mind that for the moment, dropping items anywhere is not the best way to dispose of them. If they cannot be turned into dust in the furnace and then disappear, contact a GM so they can take them and have them deleted.
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/me throws armfulls of bread crums into the ducts where it just hovers above the hole
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They are already in-game. Look for them :)
Hmmm. Okay, but there are no "no littering" signs in game, but we're not supposed to do that. There are no "Dispose of Trash Here" signs, though, either. Why should a trash can require a quest to find it. ???
But thank you for the answer. I will look for them.
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Well, this is what I think:
-Since littering is forbidden everywhere, no signs would be needed to specifically indicate so. If you live in Yliakum, you know.
-Since littering is forbidden everywhere, you'd obviously know the places where you are allowed to. No sign would be specifically needed.
And I would recommend to enter the ducts and place the items at the bottom of them, since that would happen if you would throw them in. Best would be to contact a GM, but I think that's pushing it. If I have items in surplus, I just give them to some noob (there are always plenty) or dump them in my guild repository.
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-Since littering is forbidden everywhere, no signs would be needed to specifically indicate so. If you live in Yliakum, you know.
-Since littering is forbidden everywhere, you'd obviously know the places where you are allowed to. No sign would be specifically needed.
Obviously. :'(
Lame.
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But, you know, some NPC could be made to tell you in the Tutorial. Although I think there are more pressing issues than "Where do I put my useless items?" at the moment. Then perhaps a follow-up quest to the tutorial. Or put it in the FAQ. But then people don't ever read a FAQ. Hmm.
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Read it. Along with all the other incomplete documentation here, as well as the thousand posts for information that are only answered with "ask someone in game".
Sorry. I know what you guys are trying to do, but seriously, some of us have not played this day in and day out for years and talked back and forth with the developers about every possible subject. If it's not in game, it didn't happen.
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It'll be fixed.