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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on June 04, 2008, 08:06:22 pm
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What are the eldest guilds that are currently active?
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Hail the Dark Empire! ;D
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The way of the hammer is pretty old and active
The explorers are kind of active too
Travellers Path - about 1.5 years old, semi dead, semi active :P
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How do you define an elder guild? You mean elder in respect to in-game continuity or in respect to real-life time? If it was all guilds that existed in MB, I would probably say
- Dark Empire
- Explorers
- Felines Lair
(though I haven't seen them for a while) - Dragon Council (not sure on this one, plus they've been inactive)
- Hitman Clan (OK maybe not, but we can wish for its return <_<)
EDIT: Haraun just reminded me he's in Felines Lair, so that's good enough for me.
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The Survivors of Vaern
About 2.5 years old (maybe more?), semi-active.
The Protectors
Much older than 2.5, but I don't know for sure since when, semi-active.
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Eldest would be Explorers and Dark Empire, Traveller's Path and Way of the Hammer are fairly new compared.
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The Lair is still alive.
Our family might be small but we are still around. According to the old books, the first
badge was crafted by Ayshe five years ago. :flowers:
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Posted May of 2007: Lair's 4th BDay Thread. (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=28785.0)
That puts them at being created in 2003.
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The Rangers Of Yliakum are still around, too :)
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I think the Knowledge Seekers is an oldie but goodie also.
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Rangers of Yliakum will be around for three years this october.
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The explorers are kind of active too
The Explorers are waaay active! OK maybe I exaggerate, but still more active than "kind of" :P
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/me goes off to found a guild of old farts that sit on their porches rocking away complaining about how much life was better in the 'olden days' and how those pesky darn kids need to get off their lawns.
Elder enough for you Xilly? :devil:
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Posted May of 2007: Lair's 4th BDay Thread. (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=28785.0)
That puts them at being created in 2003.
May 23 2003, I registred the guild on my first day of play, as all aspiring n00bs should :p
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Ok, lets try to list only active guilds and list them from oldest to newest
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The Syndicated Mercantile, formally founded in Summer 2007 (yet I've been planning it since Summer 2005).
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Well let's try to get some exact dates. Mine was made october 3rd of 2005
So let's start a timeline thing. Dark Empire is still active, and Explorers are semi-active (I see a few of them every so often), I think I may have seen Felines Lair once or twice in the past month or so. My guild has had regular activity from myself and Kaerli at the least, almost every day.
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What is considered active? I think that it cannot generally be considered active if there are less than the number of members needed to create a guild that are regularly in game. If only one active member is being propped up by inactive alts is it really a guild or is it just an echo. Klyros of Fury are still technically around but when was the last time you saw one? I load mine up once in a while just to exchange baggage.
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I also have Taviro, Eliseth, and Zhai, as well as Peeg if he ever decides to get on >.> ralarssenth will be back as soon as she gets a compy that can run PS.
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I was not trying to put anyone down, there is little to tell how many members a guild has in the game. If your guild is a slow recruitment guild for whatever reason (lack of trying or just intentionally) and has no more than 10 or 20 members at one time then having 2 play regularly with a few more less often really should count as active. Especially so if those two members take part in or host guild type events. I am just sort of wondering what other people think.
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no one has mentioned the outlaws? we've been around for about 3 years sense the end of April I do believe
and yes the knowledge seekers are still active as well and they've been around for 3 or 4 years I think..(not really sure) they've had aproximity 10 members log in during the past month.
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the question is, does logging in necessarily mean active?
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the question is, does logging in necessarily mean active?
Dur. :P
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Hail the Dark Empire! ;D
You seem to hear that faceless whisper :)
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the question is, does logging in necessarily mean active?
Dur. :P
Well technically, for a person to be active they have to do something... Not just log in. That just means they got curious. If the log in, and then log back out, that is not called active, that is called a visit :P
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This starts to get one of the endless discussions
I suggest making a seperate thread for what is needed to be considered active.
Sen
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Here's a list of what I think are the five oldest active guilds including the dates they are established. The dates are based on my best estimates, feel free to correct if you have more accurate data.
- Dark Empire, July 18, 2002 (first forum thread)
doesn't appear on server search
- Explorers Guild, May 11, 2003 (mentioned on website)
2005-08-05 06:08:24
- Felines Lair, May 23, 2003 (mentioned by Ayshe in this thread)
2005-08-05 04:14:43
- Knowledge Seekers, November 13, 2004 (mentioned on website)
2005-08-05 04:14:43
- Rangers of Yliakum, October 3, 2005 (mentioned by Farren Kutter in this thread)
2005-09-03 11:02:21
2006-04-29 02:24:59
Edit: added actual server creation dates[/list]
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A question though: Can a guild be a guild without a leader? For example the KS, is Arka still the leader even know she no longer plays?
/me misses my dear friend Arka. She was the first person to greet me in game many years ago and taught me how to role play.
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Not totally sure, but looking around the oldest post i can find from Apis about the guilöd is from 6th october 2005. And the hammer is pretty active.
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Not totally sure, but looking around the oldest post i can find from Apis about the guilöd is from 6th october 2005. And the hammer is pretty active.
but the orginal guild was disbanded and recreated in the summer of 2006? or so
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Not totally sure, but looking around the oldest post i can find from Apis about the guilöd is from 6th october 2005. And the hammer is pretty active.
but the orginal guild was disbanded and recreated in the summer of 2006? or so
Yes, was disbanded and remade. So from db point of view, twh is make at 2006-07-14.
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The Protectors are still around too. Not as active as they once were but I've seen some old friends here and there "representing". ;)
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The Dark Empire was founded early in 2002 by Aelya.
That's the only reference I found to the Dark Empire's creation. Seems to be the oldest survivor so far.
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The Protectors
Much older than 2.5, but I don't know for sure since when, semi-active.
:) Thanks for mentioning us. I believe the Protectors guild is coming on four and a half years now, if not five. I have been playing for about three years and the Protectors were going strong before I even came into the picture. We fall into the category of semi-active unfortantly.
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I met Ollo in game only a few days ago and I remembered Proglin's round-up for training together with the Protectors in the wilderness towards the Bronze doors. Good times. :) One of the last time I saw Ogu though. :(
Saaaay, if the GM's can check in game for creation data, wouldn't it be a better idea to have a list made by them? And where some other case applies, like The Way of the Hammer which got recreated in the mean time, they can just correct.
As others have suggested already, this thread should be only for guilds which still have active players (non-visitors). For example, I started to play regularly, and Gaian comes in around the weekend as well, so we're surely not out of the picture.
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You can't take database creation date as the indicator of how old a guild is. During the switch from MB every guild was wiped, and since Xenia was a playtester she created FL before the public launch. DB date means nothing... The three oldest guilds are DE, XG and FL. All three are active as defined by the members. What other definition is there? I am willing to bet that there has been continuity of personnel, forums or whatever since day one for all of the guilds that call themselves active.
I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
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I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
Would be intersting idea to change it and add another guild to the three. I wonder if that will be possible.
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I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
Would be intersting idea to change it and add another guild to the three. I wonder if that will be possible.
Good idea. I nominate cmhitman (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=465) for this task.
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:) Thanks for mentioning us. I believe the Protectors guild is coming on four and a half years now, if not five.
That's not quite possible :x
I founded the Defenders guild nearly 5 years ago and all the way until the end of Cabal, the only good guilds around were Defenders, Mirth and Rangers. Of cource, later all three guilds went into decline;
Defenders having lost their oh-so-awesome leader,
Mirth turning out not-so-mirthful
And Rangers... Well, Seperot was the leader (and Grakrim with Monketh too, but everyone knows they were only Sep's puppets)... So much for the guild being "good" aligned.
I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
Me and Seperot should revive the Legendary Warriors guild *nod*
We'd be like the oldest non-original guildleaders then (or rather me alone, as he became the leader only upon my abdication)
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The Warriors since September 2006, before that a faction within the Lair so I've heard from Proteous
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You can't take database creation date as the indicator of how old a guild is. During the switch from MB every guild was wiped, and since Xenia was a playtester she created FL before the public launch. DB date means nothing... The three oldest guilds are DE, XG and FL. All three are active as defined by the members. What other definition is there? I am willing to bet that there has been continuity of personnel, forums or whatever since day one for all of the guilds that call themselves active.
I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
I really like Felines Lair and most of it members. I had been even part of it. And that's why it pains me to see in which state this guild is. Felines Lair maybe a very old guild but I think being active as a guild looks a little bit different. Yes, there are single players from that guild that are online from time to time but I think it needs much more to form an active guild. This guild has a great potential but with an inactive leadership and with inactive people in high positions, who are blocking any change just to keep their positions within the guild, this guild will remain dormant as it has been for quite a long time now.
I'm sorry if I stepped on one toes once again but I felt obliged to write something. You can believe me, if I didn't care for this guild I wouldn't have written it. I really hope that the neccessary changes are done soon so that this guild can return to its former glory.
And now I wait for certain FL members to oppose me once again.
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The guildlist of the old website of Kada-El's Tavern (http://web.archive.org/web/20041207080845/tavern.blueglyph.net/modules.php?name=Guilds) might be interesting.
Note that the dates mentioned on Kada's list are the days the guild were were added to the list, which does not have to be the same as the dates they were founded.
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actually the db guild list only goes back to the wipe of summer 2005 and those guilds that were recreated when the server came back up
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You can't take database creation date as the indicator of how old a guild is. During the switch from MB every guild was wiped, and since Xenia was a playtester she created FL before the public launch. DB date means nothing... The three oldest guilds are DE, XG and FL. All three are active as defined by the members. What other definition is there? I am willing to bet that there has been continuity of personnel, forums or whatever since day one for all of the guilds that call themselves active.
I will claim a small (very small) trophy as being the oldest original guildleader. Now git off mah lawn!
It's a start, not set in stone. I never claimed to be in an elder guild, just stated the age and that we're still kickin'
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:) Thanks for mentioning us. I believe the Protectors guild is coming on four and a half years now, if not five.
That's not quite possible :x
:sorcerer: I know it is at least hitting the full four year mark and no younger. I do know it was founded after the Explores Guild had been around for abit. Tell you what, I will contact my guild leader and ask so that we are all clear when the guild was founded.
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The Enlightened, almost 2 years. Most are active off and on, but we are active.
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I really like Felines Lair and most of it members. I had been even part of it. And that's why it pains me to see in which state this guild is. Felines Lair maybe a very old guild but I think being active as a guild looks a little bit different.
I agree completely. I'm not sure who you were expecting to contradict you, but when they show up I hope they read this post. The IRC channel is where we still are most active, and that is the continuity that has been the guild for so long. Actual ingamey-ness has been very sparse indeed, I think we see maybe six players a week who log in. At one time we had a massive amount of effort being put in by so many players, but it wasn't just us who dissappeared. When all your friends stop playing, and the guilds you have always known become ghosts, it becomes difficult to pick the gems, the roleplayers from the steady stream of stats-players. It sucks all the enthusiasm out of the experience.
The source of declline and apathy for me personally has always been missing dearly departed characters. I remember the heyday of FL & the world we explored, and it saddens me. Giladrial, Havena, Nyleve the blacksmith of The Mafia, Moogie, Pooky... hell I would be here all day naming them. I know recently the dev team has had a massive boost in energy, but for a while there the almost-contempt feeling players got from the dev team was a huge contributor too. There is an ebb and flow to most organisations, guilds are no different.
I would like to mention that it appears Jjairr is back as of last week, I truly do hope things pick up...
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My question is: Can a guild still be a guild without it's leader still present?
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I think a good guild can and should be able to function fully with out a guild leader there 100% of the time, also I know several that have switched guild leaders depending on the founders RL schedule's and when that calms down that member takes his spot back. The outlaws try not to rely on just *one* main leader we share the responsibility's among 3 of of us, some of us maintain the forums or the website/data base and some of us work with the new members and teach RP and recruit and deal with OOC issues that arise with other players and ourselves and such I think part of being a guild is also learning how to work well as a team even if one of those members has to sit a few games out ;)
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Giladrial, Havena, Nyleve the blacksmith of The Mafia, Moogie, Pooky... hell I would be here all day naming them.
Nyleve was also known as "the 13th NPC", right? :P
The Gila-beast was around ingame some time ago; met him in the tavern.
And Havena is still playing, only as a different char, no?
...I bet you miss Enraged too, Ayshe ;P
Hmm... this (http://www.freewebs.com/assassinsguild/) is probably the guild I'd like to see back the most.
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Hmm... this (http://www.freewebs.com/assassinsguild/) is probably the guild I'd like to see back the most.
I wouldn't, because if I could see it that'd mean the guild isn't very good at it's job. :P
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Nyleve was the first NPC. She used to stand there all day, and when you spoke to her she'd answer instantly. Scary.
I know monk is about, but the oldbie in me misses Havena. And yea, Dagger and Django... :(
Enraged... well, definitely the most appropriate name :)
Nyleve was also known as "the 13th NPC", right? :P
The Gila-beast was around ingame some time ago; met him in the tavern.
And Havena is still playing, only as a different char, no?
...I bet you miss Enraged too, Ayshe ;P
Hmm... this (http://www.freewebs.com/assassinsguild/) is probably the guild I'd like to see back the most.
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Nyleve was the first NPC. She used to stand there all day, and when you spoke to her she'd answer instantly. Scary.
Before my time then. As far as I remember it was rare to have Nyleve answer anything. And seeing her move was simply shocking :P
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From a managerial standpoint I would say no. If the guild leader set up permissions correctly and chose other active players to have guild administration rights, there is no reason that a guild cannot function with its leader often not online.