PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Orgonwukh on June 10, 2008, 10:23:09 pm
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Actions that may Constitute Harassment:
When Intention to Cause Grief has been proven, the following are considered actions of harassment:
* Shouting IC/OOC insults or comments that are offensive or defamatory.
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* Interrupting a specific player or group of player’s RP with IC or OOC comments.
Although I read this when I started playing, I just realised that I actually did these kind of harassments (ICly).
My evil char very often shouts/insults others by calling them "cowards" or giving them defamatory names. He also likes to disturb peaceful people just for fun.
However, in the description I mention to tell me OOCly to stop if I offend someone OOCly.
Since I don't want to get reported, could someone please advice me how to roleplay this? How can I roleplay an evil char with bad behaviour?
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It's not allowed to play an impolite char.
Thanks for reporting yourself, your char will be eliminated.
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Some parts have to be ignored, other considered important. Just like the bible ;)
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While some may consider playing a rude char to be harrasment, i doubt any would report you for it. I think you've interpreted the rules rather strictly. If your comments are kept in character and aren't overly abusive or continually directed at one player or group of players you should be fine. Also make sure things you say that might be kind of mean aren't directed at players who don't understand the difference between IC and OOC, new players would be more likely to take offence, but an experienced RPer would know you are just playing an evil char
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I was playing a char for some time who was very rude, vulgar and impoilte - while about half of the people got it was all only IC (and were pleased and had fun), the other half either had to be convinced OOCly about my actual entertaining goals (besides of having a vulgar char around as well for a change, among almost everyone apparently has visited some school of manners) or I was just causing trouble by not running around acting like a sheep.
Finally I decided being THAT rude ICly isnt worth the OOC trouble caused.. so I toned it down, although I always was carefully wrapping that char's speech in an odd slang and never without /me or /my.
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Some parts have to be ignored, other considered important. Just like the bible ;)
No. The game rules are not to be partially ignored or pruned. It is not an ancient text subject to contradictory interpretations. If you have questions or think some things are not clear enough, let us know and we'll make the proper corrections. The rules are not optional. It's the players' responsibility to know them and abide by them.
IC harassment is RP and as such is not considered a violation of the game rules. However OOC harassment can be hidden under IC actions and they can be prosecuted. We can see through that just by looking at the logs or observing the situation.
Orgonwukh: you did not break any rules. You would have if you hadn't stopped whenever someone asked you to. You would have if you had used your evil character to torment another player with the intention of ruining their gaming experience. That was not the case.
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Key Phrase: "When Intention to Cause Grief has been proven." You won't get in any trouble for being rude In Character, as long as there is no OOC meaning/intent underneath it.
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I am interested in this thread somehow because I had some similar situation yesterday.
I was in a tavern where some char's were talking about fighting each other (it was obviously an rp) and I r-played that I'm intoxicated and I was trying to reconcile them offering drinks. They reacted rather coldly and one of them (not including name because its absolutely unneccessary) told me to shut up. Considered this as a part of rp I was acting offended and tried to react by provoking them (in rp manner of course) then I was told that I'm doing [OOC]. Gee.. Is that really so? Is it really my fault trying to join up someone's other rp. It's a little bit strange to me. Including there was no great action between them and I thought I can join this situation (when acting is advanced and a lot of people perform some actions I'm usually sitting and watching their act).
Tell me is it me or them doing misinterpretation?
Thanks
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Some people just don't like it when others try to join in their role play i guess, don't really know what to do about it... you certainly weren't in the wrong though just keep trying and ignore stupid people
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Orgonwukh: you did not break any rules. You would have if you hadn't stopped whenever someone asked you to. You would have if you had used your evil character to torment another player with the intention of ruining their gaming experience. That was not the case.
That's what I wanted to hear, thanks ;D
Orgonwukh stumbles out of Kada-El's. A young looking Enkidukai approaches him and asks 'Sir, can you lend me some tria for a rock pick, please?'.
Orgonwukh yells 'Do I look like a social worker you stupid idiot?' and he blows his liquor breath into the Enkidukai's face.
I am interested in this thread somehow because I had some similar situation yesterday.
I was in a tavern where some char's were talking about fighting each other (it was obviously an rp) and I r-played that I'm intoxicated and I was trying to reconcile them offering drinks. They reacted rather coldly and one of them (not including name because its absolutely unneccessary) told me to shut up. Considered this as a part of rp I was acting offended and tried to react by provoking them (in rp manner of course) then I was told that I'm doing [OOC]. Gee.. Is that really so? Is it really my fault trying to join up someone's other rp. It's a little bit strange to me. Including there was no great action between them and I thought I can join this situation (when acting is advanced and a lot of people perform some actions I'm usually sitting and watching their act).
Tell me is it me or them doing misinterpretation?
Thanks
This is one of the greatest difficulties I encountered when roleplaying an evil char. A lot of players take it personally what my char does. I am constantly trying to show the difference between me and my char. I had a lot of roleplays where my char was insulting/fighting another char while we (the players) were laughing about it OOCly in tells.
A thing that helps is to send the involved players OOC /tells in brackets asking about possible involvements and options concerning their roleplay. Also some OOC explanation might be useful. In the above example of the Enkidukai approaching my char, I might have sent this tell:
[Hey, seems your char found the wrong person to ask :P]
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I did that but . . ehhh.. Maybe some people can't play with other. Maybe they lack self-confidence:? :P
Still gotta keep it roleplaying isnt that right? ;)
But this note about [ooc telling] is proper.
Got someone starting argue not reading exactly what I said and startup was ooc manner.
He started to give me dueling offers which I rejected as ooc behaviour (IC I would accept)
WHen after few days I met him again then he started "challenging" again
When I asked whats his problem is, in front of other people he insisted that was IC . .
heh Whatever. . .
Just telling people could be VERY strange sometimes . . :|
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Some people don't understand the terms IC and OOC .. they simply use them at their convenience.
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A word of advice. For those very few people who actually read char descriptions, put an OOC warning right on top so people know that you are RP-ing a rude char, and not take it personal.
Remember, some players are actually kids. Always keep that in mind.
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I guess you're right.
Ohh ok . .
I felt a little better . . :)
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Here is what I have at the bottom of Orgonwukh's description.
[In the unlikely case that you are offended by my roleplay, please tell me OOCly to stop it.]
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Here is what I have at the bottom of Orgonwukh's description.
[In the unlikely case that you are offended by my roleplay, please tell me OOCly to stop it.]
Well, it is not unlikely, and people will be offended, IC or OOC or both. :) A better wording could be "The rude behaviour is part of my roleplay. If it bothers you OOC, please tell me and I will adjust."
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That would probably be best, but ruin the whole IC thing. But then again, why would you need such, as everything without [quotes] is IC and then should be understood as roleplay.
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Here is what I have at the bottom of Orgonwukh's description.
[In the unlikely case that you are offended by my roleplay, please tell me OOCly to stop it.]
Well, it is not unlikely, and people will be offended, IC or OOC or both. :) A better wording could be "The rude behaviour is part of my roleplay. If it bothers you OOC, please tell me and I will adjust."
A good idea, but my char is not rude all the time. I once had something similar in my desc and people asked my why I put that into the description when my char is not offensive at all.
That would probably be best, but ruin the whole IC thing. But then again, why would you need such, as everything without [quotes] is IC and then should be understood as roleplay.
I experienced a lot of situations where people were offended OOCly by my roleplay, because they did not get the difference between IC and OOC. This OOC comment is in the description to adress those.
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I am interested in this thread somehow because I had some similar situation yesterday.
I was in a tavern where some char's were talking about fighting each other (it was obviously an rp) and I r-played that I'm intoxicated and I was trying to reconcile them offering drinks. They reacted rather coldly and one of them (not including name because its absolutely unneccessary) told me to shut up. Considered this as a part of rp I was acting offended and tried to react by provoking them (in rp manner of course) then I was told that I'm doing [OOC]. Gee.. Is that really so? Is it really my fault trying to join up someone's other rp. It's a little bit strange to me. Including there was no great action between them and I thought I can join this situation (when acting is advanced and a lot of people perform some actions I'm usually sitting and watching their act).
Tell me is it me or them doing misinterpretation?
Thanks
In this case I think it would be the other way around. The fighters were disrupting your RP by fighting in a place where that is not generally OK, and then harass you icly and oocly.
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Oh, they were no actually fighting but they were arguing with each other MENTIONING a fight and provoking each other.
Maybe I just should have gone to do my rp somewhere else ? ???
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Having such an addition in one's description surely is nice and kind and all - and to recommend!
But of course not everyone checks descriptions, not even for the last sentence in cases.
Also one should be aware of not everyone is wanting to roleplay, hence I always felt like having to make sure the other one's reaction, if insulted or annoyed, is indeed IC. So I ended up in tells with many people, debating and whatnot.
And as I said I kind of modified that char in the end, softer, politer, since I was more busy OOCly talking to people when playing that char, than actually playing that char. Was tedious.
In my eyes, with the only vaguely defined, hybridal state of Planeshift, where roleplaying is nothing you have to, or should, get into, playing controverse characters always will cause hassle and trouble, of that sort that always may leave doubts if the other player is a roleplayer now, is he feeling offended or not etc. - at least if you care at all that is, of course.
EDIT:
I havent gone through the Tutorial as of late, so perhaps there may be something similar now. If thats not the case:
How about adding a note, not to say a warning, that characters may cross showing impolite or rude manners? Kind of in that part where it comes to character-choice, question if one plans to play an evil char, and advices to be polite to others OOCly?
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I havent gone through the Tutorial as of late, so perhaps there may be something similar now. If thats not the case:
How about adding a note, not to say a warning, that characters may cross showing impolite or rude manners? Kind of in that part where it comes to character-choice, question if one plans to play an evil char, and advices to be polite to others OOCly?
I love this idea, Velh!
Maybe we can even take this a step further. All the NPCs in the tutorial are helpful, why don't insert a rude NPC as well? This NPC could explain the difference again by being rude ICly and helpful OOCly. This would also require that most of the conversation of the other NPCs will be put into brackets ;) (this is a little hint that in my opinion the tutorial does not distinguish IC/OOC sufficiently...)
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Both I like:
1. Having Tutorial NPCs using brackets - actually never thought about it, but now that you mention it.. it would be nothing but consequent: A must!=P
2. To have a rude NPC! lol
Well, to include some learning effect, how about adding only a hint in brackets for that one, like [Remember what you learned about rude chars in the Tutorial?]. It could make people think.
On the long run I could think of people becoming more used to not always sophisticated ways of speech, hence (N)PCs may become more authentic - wouldnt Zak or Kisatol appear more threatening if they would talk more like.. well, you know?=P
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to keep things easier to find how about you add your ideas about the tutorial to http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=32678.0 and not this thread ;) last i looked this thread was not about the tutorial.
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The Tutorial is only a sidenote on making people getting the idea of IC-Harrassment ;D