PlaneShift
Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Shaman on June 26, 2008, 02:30:40 am
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I'm walking around in Hydlaa, and I see very little, if any, roleplayers. I stand in front of Harnquist's shop, and there's no one but people running around with swords drawn. I walk in the tavern, it's full of godmodders, fenkis with plate armor and swords drawn, and people pretending to roleplay thinking that anything said with /me counts for roleplay (example: /me thinks xx is a noob).
Just yesterday, me and a few friends were in Gugrontid hosting an event dealing with lowering platinum prices. We found that all of the miners were OOC after trying to communicate with them, and they refused to buy the platinum in Main chat, always bringing it to OOC /tells and simply refusing to roleplay. Also, a few people decided it would be funny to lure 4-5 ulbernauts to a stall we'd set up to sell food and drinks to the hard-working miners, and nearly got us killed. Then we were told by a GM to treat that as an IC event, even though the people who did it were OOC, and we were right next to the main part of Gugrontid where guards should have (if the mechanics worked) protected us.
I ask, where are all the roleplayers? So far I'm beginning to see that the majority of the community is immature, against roleplaying, or godmod with no regard for settings or limitations on their character. What happened to the unique attribute of this game where it encourages roleplay? That's the entire reason I started playing, but now it seems like it's about to become like the general MMO - a grindfest. I notice that there are about 8 people logged onto the forums, compared to 86 guests. These names I see logged in, are generally the people I see that roleplay, while these 86 guests, the majority, I assume are grinders that don't interact with the community at all. Then there are people who don't even know about the forums, so probably also don't know that this is a roleplaying game, and the only reason they may have possibly come to the forums is to figure out how to get out of the tutorial so they can start grinding.
Now I'm not saying I have a problem with grinding, as there are many exceptions where there are amazing roleplayers with equally amazing stats/skills, but just look around ingame. In the tavern just earlier today, there were random people with grinded out stats/skills, weapons drawn, and plate armor, acting very immaturely like they came straight from Runescape. If this is what the game's being reduced to, there isn't any point in having settings. As long as the game mechanics are all finished, that's all they care about, and that's all they'll play for. It'll be a waste of time if the community's roleplayers don't nearly equal the number of the community's non-roleplayers, since they'll rarely, if ever, use what's written in settings.
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I don't mean to sound uncaring, but do we really need yet ANOTHER thread about how RP is dead... death to those who don't RP... where did our RP utopia go... PS is turning into WoW... ???
I interact with people in character, I also work on my characters stats. I have helped several newer players out of DR and assisted them in learning more about the game. I, outside of mentioning specific commands they need to use, do this as IC as possible. I have not come across anyone that says noob or l33t... although I must say that I do not frequent the holy shrine of RP that is the tavern if I can help it.
I will say that I do not see a whole lot of people around most of the time. Of those I see in easy to find places, most don't give me the time of day. However, I have met many people mining, or while in out of the way places that were very friendly and IC.
BTW... the Ulbers at the Plat mine... that seems to be becoming a regular occurance. RPers getting back at the PLers that do nothing but mine their little hearts out.
I can understand your frustration, but you sound like Chicken Little...
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Well that's good you interact with people, that's what I believe the game to be all about. Sure there are more types of these threads, but if the initial problem isn't solved, I think we need as many as we can get. The main people who use these forums are the roleplayers, so as the roleplayers, can't we band together and try to setup a way where everyone can interact and have fun roleplaying as opposed to trying to dig a roleplayer out of a crowd of miners to interact with?
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Personally I always though that dragging monsters around the map was an abuse of the game limitations. If I were a game master and I saw someone doing that I would give them a quick trip to the death realm. It is good that you do not mention names here but if you think this is an issue with a particular gm you should report it to the head gm. You cannot force people to join your role play but the gm seemed to be saying you have to accept theirs despite the fact that it was an out of context abuse.
To my mind most of the real role players are people you never notice, they go about their business and try to speak in character when they need to interact with others. The ones that need to be acknowledged are suspect in my eyes.
Trying to role play with miners is kind of tough because they only care about money. Mining is so boring and platinum is so hard to mine that I can come to no other conclusion. Trying to get miners to take less was unlikely to ever succeed.
Then again I really have to wonder what part of the ecosystem ulbernauts play that has prevented their extermination. Perhaps they are protected from that by the tree god whatever her name is.
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Here's for the naysayers who think the community is just fine as it is. This obviously isn't the entire roleplay, but I logged out for a bit and came back to see this still going on, there was plenty before it, and this was easiest to dig out of my logs since it was separated by time of logging in.
(21:14:54) E punch I
(21:15:05) A spits In I's face
(21:15:26) E says: don't you dare vomit on my or A AGAIN
(21:15:38) E says: me*
(21:16:00) I vomits all over the floor
(21:16:10) A says: Yeah!
(21:16:11) E says: EWWWWWWWW
(21:16:16) A says: o.o
(21:16:20) A backs away
(21:16:38) I projectile vomits onto B
(21:17:07) E says: LOl
(21:17:51) A says: LOL
(21:17:57) E use a spell to clean A and B and her up as will the room
(21:18:26) I is about to threaten B as he did with the last kid that messed with him...
(21:18:49) E slaps I
(21:19:02) I says: ouch
(21:19:20) I lays down and falls back asleep
Just from the time I got this out of my chat logs and now, they posted even weirder crap in main chat. This is their idea of roleplay, and it isn't uncommon. Names obviously aren't going to be mentioned.
Oh wow, I have to post another piece of this roleplay. I can't resist...the other one was short anyway.
(21:20:38) I sleep vomits all over B
(21:20:48) I says: [thanks for reminding me]
(21:21:54) I wakes up and rubs his jaw "what the hell..."
(21:22:03) E use a spell to clean up B
(21:22:47) E use a spell to put i back to sleep
(21:23:48) I wakes up again and stands up and tries opening the door.
(21:24:17) I says: whats going on?
(21:24:19) E looks at I "the door in lock"
(21:24:31) I jerks the handle but fails at opening it
(21:24:40) I says: why is it locked?
(21:25:04) E says: are you going to get more drinks?
(21:26:02) I says: no...
(21:26:13) I says: I already got plenty of drinks thanks to you
(21:26:30) E says: i want you to get passed out
(21:26:40) I says: O.O
(21:26:41) A jabs I with her sword
(21:26:51) I says: [you dont know how awkward that sounded E]
(21:27:07) I grabs A's sword and shoves her back
(21:27:11) I says: dont do that
(21:27:13) E says: [left get out out]
(21:27:48) A shoots I "Don't touch my sword, *****!" (this part of the log edited for language)
(21:27:54) A says: *stab
(21:27:56) I says: ...
(21:27:58) A says: [I don't have a gun lol]
(21:28:15) I dodges the stab and shoves A back "dont do that!"
(21:28:20) E give A her gun
(21:28:32) A shoots I "I warned you"
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Then again I really have to wonder what part of the ecosystem ulbernauts play that has prevented their extermination. Perhaps they are protected from that by the tree god whatever her name is.
Maybe they're a convenient way for the government to gruesomely dispatch troublemakers :D
To get back to the original question: honestly, I haven't had that much trouble finding roleplay. There have been days where drought conditions persisted despite my attempts to stir things up, but for the most part I've gotten a lot of RP, and sometimes at unexpected times and places. I personally have some plans afoot to try to stir up some more RP in a non-tavern location - one of my characters is a trainee priestess of Xiosia (the hippie tree god, Prolix :P) and I've been contemplating advertising to get religious ceremonies going, amongst other things - but on the whole I guess I haven't had too much trouble getting people to talk to me. It's not always scintillating, but it's still rp.
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Consider yourself lucky. I find myself having to roleplay in a certain clique in order to actually roleplay, because if I try to roleplay with random people in town or in the tavern, or in the wilderness in some cases, it makes me want to punch kittens.
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I have to agree with peanuts, I haven't had to search too far to find some roleplay. I would also agree with Prolix, roleplay should be everything you do, not just your conversations.
And as far as your example goes shaman, well the are always going to be some idiots about :-\
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Experiences can differ, but what I experienced is that the first week of playing, I met a lot of fun new people to roleplay with and thought it was going to be a blast. I still roleplay with them, but now they're pretty much the only people I can roleplay with. The rest, such as the tens of twenties of people at Gugrontid, were impossible to RP with, and were completely OOC. If roleplay is encouraged but not enforced, I hate to say it, but it IS just like WoW, except not as developed and with less people. I'm not saying I'm going to prefer WoW over PS, but I'd like PS to somehow be saved from becoming like that. Roleplay needs to be enforced, or else this will end up turning into every other "MMORPG".
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Note that the players luring the ulbers were asked not to disturb your RP and stop luring the mobs over where you were. You were asked to take the first encounters as IC because your first assumption should be that everything is IC until proven OOC beyond reasonable doubt (i.e. officially stated), which is arguable in this case. That is because the ideal for PS is that everyone gets to RP naturally, from the moment they log on till they log off. So try not to let what others do disrupt your RP and see past the annoyances. Obviously, this can't always be and that is why both parties were told to let go and move on before the issue escalated. Arguing that guards would have come over is pointless. The game is not there yet and lack of mechs can't stop you from trying.
In the meantime, keep in mind that your standard of RP is not the rule and you need to be flexible.
Addendum: Reporting disruptive behavior should always be your course of action. Once a GM is involved, you should turn your attention back to enjoying the game and past the incident.
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I was with Shaman that day ... after one trade of ores I was told oocly in main by Akeera "[Our chars never traded icly]" - very much disencouraging"
I for sure will think twice before trying to set up something by far meant to be IC or RP at the Gugrontid..
I dont have problems with it, as long as I wouldnt expect this game to be somewhat roleplaying orientated at this stage. I more wonder how much is Planeshift a -"Do what you want"-game - please specify Planeshifts' description: Is Planeshift a unique Roleplaying game, or is it something casual...a wannabe World of Worldracft clone?"
I am disappointed, its players are lovely and mostly not stupid, but....................
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I was there after shaman and trust me that kinda stuff was so bad I couldn't rp very well because of one line lols bumping stuff before I could read it. I had to resort to putting 4 on my ignore list. I normally as a rule just overlook less than ideal RP but this was getting out of hand. Not mention that constant ooc is against game rules. That was the bulk of what was going on in the tavern. Mind you some of those involve have a habit of doing this. This is not just us being sensitive. I would have reported but there were no gms on at the time.
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Consider yourself lucky. I find myself having to roleplay in a certain clique in order to actually roleplay, because if I try to roleplay with random people in town or in the tavern, or in the wilderness in some cases, it makes me want to punch kittens.
While I see where you're coming from, I find that cliques are sort of the problem. I mean, yes, I do really love playing with certain characters, even if I IC'ly don't get along well with them (some of the IC awkward moments I've had lately have been hilarious to me irl, though I didn't say it in the game save for /guild or /tells). However, I'm still open to playing with anyone I see being IC and spelling decently (I do keep in mind that not all players are native English speakers, though). The roleplayers are there if you look for them, or try to spark the RP (keep in mind there are a plethora of excuses you can use to get out if you don't like the roleplay you're in, though honesty is usually the best policy).
Admittedly, I hang around the tavern a lot, usually when I've either agreed to meet up with someone from the ole' BL or am looking for a new plotline to get entangled in (or if my character's just bored and wants an ale, but it's one of the first two more often than not). I also have no problem being IC at the mines, but one often gets rude and disrespectful comments like "lol roleplayers are freaks" and "[You're godmodding (by saying you got the impression that Player X intends to do Action Y) , idiot]" (when it isn't godmodding at all). It seems to me that the more crowded an area is the more likely people are going to start bickering OOC'ly, and the more incentive to PL there is in said area, the colder some people's reaction to roleplay is going to be.
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Can I call it or what? RP is dead... PS is turning into WoW... to hell with anyone who won't RP (to my standards)... the sky is falling.
Can you be more sensationalist? There are plenty of RP opportunities. Every time you come across a unfamiliar character is a new opportunity. If you have a bad experience at Kada El's, try somewhere else. If you know that the Plat mine has a reputation for being a non-RP area... why waste your time there?
I can't help but think that either you are too sensitive, looking for reasons to be upset, or expecting this wonderful RP utopia that just simply doesn't exist. PS is a hybrid. There are players here that range from so-called PLers all the way to people (apparently like you) that are so-called strict RPers. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle and are happy, for the most part, with the way the game is running. If all you want to do is sit around and chat with people, you might be better served by a MUD or IRC.
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Can I call it or what? RP is dead... PS is turning into WoW... to hell with anyone who won't RP (to my standards)... the sky is falling.
Can you be more sensationalist? There are plenty of RP opportunities. Every time you come across a unfamiliar character is a new opportunity. If you have a bad experience at Kada El's, try somewhere else. If you know that the Plat mine has a reputation for being a non-RP area... why waste your time there?
I can't help but think that either you are too sensitive, looking for reasons to be upset, or expecting this wonderful RP utopia that just simply doesn't exist. PS is a hybrid. There are players here that range from so-called PLers all the way to people (apparently like you) that are so-called strict RPers. Most of us fall somewhere in the middle and are happy, for the most part, with the way the game is running. If all you want to do is sit around and chat with people, you might be better served by a MUD or IRC.
I assure you if PS had as many strict RPers as you think people who think otherwise would have the chance to voice there opinion. And I believe that if Talad envisioned the game to be RP centric people should respect that.
I started the game not wanting to RP all but I wasn't disruptive to RP and I eventually learned how. Keep in mind that players are testing the game not calling the shots. If you want a game where you have more input in the environment each find another or make one like Talad did. I applaud PS for not being like the others what's the point if it is just a clone of WOW. Just spend the money and get the real thing.
Besides, there is a fine line between strict RPer and not wanting to be inundated with stupidity. Sometimes it is in fact clear cut stupidity.
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The player base is very small.
Rpers are not doing a lot of testing of the mechanics.
If we kicked those who did not rp there would be almost no one around.
Here are my constructive suggestions: Take and run with the MANY rp specific areas already provided. If the tavern is over run with loud rowdy drunks SURPRISE!
Move rps to the temple of Laanx (one of my favorites) upstairs has no npcs no reason for quest grinders to go there at all.
Move Rps to the Secret garden.
Move rps to any of the many alcoves in Hydlaa.
Move rps to the stone face outside of town.
Move rps to the Blackflame shrine.
I payed attention to the tavern complaint thread and made several changes to help and more are on the way.
In my day we made do, we worked with what was there, and we made some splendid rps.
Hey, anyone have screenshots of the day when I surrendered my claim to the Octarchy? I sure would like to show people what a badass ALL PLAYER event looks like.
Since I began on settings 3 years ago I have busted my as and busted my very large team's ass to make sure rpers got much of what they asked for. Go look at the thread "A request from the settings team" and see how many books came from that thread. Or look at the several polls and our efforts to respond in as quick a fashion as is possible to player desires.
I have said before I keep leeching rpers out of the game to make them settings people specifically so we can address these issues. They then add all they can of what they wanted to be added. The gm team also takes rpers and makes them into rp assets.
If people are going to insist that we POLICE A SUBJECTIVE CONCEPT things will rapidly spin out of control and the time to build the game will dwindle even more.
Be a self starter, I used to sit in front of the temple of laanx for 6-8 hours a day training people to rp and learn their way around using incentives such as items and knowledge and while I was doing it things were a big better, player retention was higher, guilds donated to my cause, thieves robbed me, people were imprisoned, town criers were present, sermons were preached.
You need to MAKE rp.
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Lolitra claps at XilliX's words.
I for one - jusr RP... and fit mechanics fo the game into my 'down' time - which is rare...
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How many of the people I mentioned earlier in the thread actually "test" the mechanics? If anything, they abuse the mechanics if they find a glitch. With their maturity level, if they actually test the mechanics, I'd be pretty surprised.
How about when the game is a finished product, all the bugs fixed and mostly everything implemented? What would happen to the people running around being OOC and disrupting all attempts at RP?
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As passionate a post as that was. I believe people who say we are whining are too busy interpreting what we say and not reading what we said. We didn't say "wah boo hoo there is no rp." We said "hey! what about RPing being the focus." I usually don't care if people grind at the plat mines it is their business. But if I recall, we wouldn't even have Kada's if it wasn't for Rping.
PLs and Grinders are not exempt from showing respect for others. Just because you want to go in the tavern and turn PS in just a 3d chat doesn't mean you should. RPers shouldn't have to ignore people for spaming lols . One or two lols every now and again can be overlook. "Lol I just stabbed you in the face." Follow by a barrage of "lols" is seriously pushing it.
Nobody is disputing your hard work Xillix, we are upset about what PS is turning into. And trust me PLers are no more likely to test game mechanics, they are too busy Pling generally. RPers also don't always ignore game mechanics. I did the most complaining about not having food and cooking and guess who spends the most time trying to find new recipes to share with friends while RPing. I'd just like a little consideration from those who insist on being ooc most of the time. Just a little... X-/
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Problem is you are preaching to the choir.
If it is true the the forums are mostly rpers . . . .
I see the time spent complaining about rp as time wasted that could be spent rping your way out of this.
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If players are abusing OOC in main chat and no GMs are online, use the /report function and file a petition. Go on IRC if quicker action is necessary. This doesn't mean they will get banned immediately but it will let us take notice of the situation and take proper action. Some people have already been warned about this so they know better and will be punished if they ignore a rule they know well.
The same applies to people with a funky sense of humor who think creating characters with names that blatantly violate the naming policy just so they can have a kick out of it and play innocent. No "don't tase me bro" plea will save you from a ban if you intentionally disregard the rules of the game.
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RP does not grow on trees for folks to pluck and enjoy whenever they wish. It is a flower that grows from a single seed, flourishes while you care for it, and eventually withers and dies if you do not. Even to strongest flower can not stay alive forever, and you must sow new seeds.
However, there are those who seem to relish stomping into others' gardens and tromping anything in sight. I know the feeling you have, but it is not a problem easily dealt with. To aid the GMs, reporting RP abuse should be considered as important as reporting bugs. Do not ignore either, or the GMs will not be able to help you.
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One of the big problems with the interface is that all local chat goes into the same window, there is separate group and guild chats as well but they need not be local. What might be a viable addition would be to have the local channel broken up into side bands. That way you would be able to follow specific conversations in a tavern and not get drowned out by the general hubbub. I would see this as having a drop down selector for channel 1-10, for instance, and you would only hear the one you are monitoring. You could however see all chat bubbles if you have them turned on and this would allow you to catch a snippet of someone else's conversation and to then find its channel. You could also have channel 0 which is all local chat regardless.
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http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=32766.0 <-- go here, find each other, fix it.
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Well I just logged off about 5 minutes ago, but I believe the people whos' chat I posted in the logs a few posts ago are still in the tavern, right as I'm posting this. If you need their names, PM me, but otherwise go in there and see the idiocy I'm talking about.
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Hey, anyone have screenshots of the day when I surrendered my claim to the Octarchy? I sure would like to show people what a badass ALL PLAYER event looks like.
I am suprised at myself this is the best i got :( http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7092/shot573mt0.jpg
I dont have a shot of all of us standing outside the temple.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYii6nxhvUk&feature=related
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Well I just logged off about 5 minutes ago, but I believe the people whos' chat I posted in the logs a few posts ago are still in the tavern, right as I'm posting this. If you need their names, PM me, but otherwise go in there and see the idiocy I'm talking about.
If you are not actually going to read what people are posting and follow the advice given we can help you.
use the /petition /report functions when you see zany things
gms are not omniscient.
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One problem is that there aren't enough GMs. Every time I report or want to report someone, there aren't any gms on. (trust me I check) For some of the repeat offenders there is never a gm on when they start their foolishness around me. I will try petitions about certain characters that always go towards that kind of behavior and see if that helps.
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As Illysia said. I've had a petition open for about a day in a half now, but no response. That's why I'm posting here.
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There might not be a lot of gms but I can't say that we can blame the GMs for that. I'm not sure how many GMs there are but if your right and there are only a few then you've got to be patient as they probably have plenty of work to do being the only few around. The only way to fix that problem is applying to be a GM yourself :P
I've had a petition open for about a day in a half now, but no response.
They'll get to it. I've probably posted a dozen petitions as many different characters and I've never failed to get a response that I was satisfied with, most of the time my problem being fixed. Talking to them on IRC helps too as they may not be ingame while you are or they may be answering whatever other petitions are on their list.
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Then again they may not appear on the list if they are invisible. At least that is what I suspect.
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Desoshade walks in and steps on everyones feet :o and vomits on his sword. He yells, "hey baby you want some of this manhood?" and starts feeling everyones bottoms :love: and spits on the magician :sorcerer:. Desoshade steals shamans gun and shoots him in the foot X-/ and spits on him too. you touched my sword! he says. :whistling:
Just kidding!
Yeah I agree. The above cut and copy convo is kinda silly. IBut what can you do? It's open source. Free to everyone. Including the weirdos. I guess it's fun for them. Course, you can't be TOO serious. I mean, you gotta have a little bit of fun once in awhile. Given even more thought, maybe that's how these people act in real life. Or maybe thats how they think a sorcerer would act. you know, walking around and spitting on everyone. But now if they are playing the role of a goblin or an ogre or something, sure. Spit on people all you want. But a sophisticated magician shouldn't be vomitting on people or spitting in your face. :ban:
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Here is a nice conundrum for you:
There are not enough players to justify many more gms o.O and every time we take a gm unto the team we lose an avid rper O.o . . .
DO MORE COMPLAIN LESS.
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/me throws his hat into the ring
We do have a limited number of GMs, we all have our own lives to lead outside PS. Even when we are in game we can't possibly be everywhere at once. When there are no GMs in game the best option for a rapid response is to come on IRC and visit #planeshit-gmtalk as there is normally a GM on IRC at all times, just say the name of a GM that is not flagged as AFK. If this fails then your remaining option is to petition us in game, but let me make it clear that petitions about bad behaviour are almost universily useless unless you also issue a /report on the player in question. We are not about to start taking one persons word over another and I would hope you would expect that to be the case.
Now, if you wish us to moderate and judge if an RP is valid or not then we are on a very slippery slope. Obviously certain things are blatantly OOC and we can act, but some are more borderline. It is the other members of the player base who have the -duty- to try to educate those who lack the skills and abilities to RP effectively. If you try nicely and they reject your advice, then by all means, stick them on your ignore list and try to forget they exist, as they are probably not worth bothering with at all.
As XilliX says, RPers want more moderation of undesireables, and more background settings to enrich their roleplay. This requires more GMs and more members of the settings team, which leads to less active RPers making Yliakum the vibrant place everyone wants it to be.
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Seriously, if you want more GMs to be around to aid you: http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=32697.msg377167#msg377167
If you want more RP, make it.
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This just happened to me in game, it's the first time I've ever heard anything like it... It makes me really sad truthfully:
Timmothy frowns at Person A, "Sheathe your weapon in the city."
(23:50:35) Person A says: thank you, kind dwarf
(23:50:47) Person B says: thanks to you
(23:50:59) Person B says: timmy!
(23:51:10) Person B says: how's goin?
(23:51:15) Timmothy blinks at Person B, "I know you?"
(23:51:35) Person B says: yes, you apeared in south park, lol
(23:51:41) Person B says: get lost [effing] rper
(23:51:49) Person B says: powaleva rulez
(23:52:01) Person A says: [Male genitalia-face]
I reported to GMs, but really the fact that it happened saddens me to no end.
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Who are you to go around telling people to sheath their weapons? It is a little rude isn't it? If you said that to me I'd be tempted to sheath it down your throat except the challenge system prevents me from doing that. Seems to me you got caught playing rules lawyer by someone itching to break a law, any law, somehow.
I am sure you have as much right as the next person but if you are going to call people on their actions it won't always be appreciated.
Me I mostly ignore stuff, life is too short. About the most I'll do is make a snide comment like telling the guy power leveling his brown way beside the trainer "what a waste of mana."
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While I see where you're coming from, Prolix, what happened to Timmy wasn't a case of a character wanting to break a law, it was some stupid PL'ers rudely telling him to buzz off simply because he's an RP'er, even though roleplay is supposed to be encouraged in this game. It really is saddening that these people have such a big problem with other player's choice of what they want to do in the game, even though RP isn't doing the PL'ers any harm.
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Timmothy: file a petition with the characters names and we'll have a word with them. This kind of behavior is not allowed in PS.
Remember that in these cases you should always use the /report command. It will log all entries in main and tell from the last 5 minutes of conversation and then on, letting you know when it stops (so you can report again).
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Who are you to go around telling people to sheath their weapons? It is a little rude isn't it? If you said that to me I'd be tempted to sheath it down your throat except the challenge system prevents me from doing that.
Not exactly rude when a guard NPC tells you to do the same :P
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You saying the NPC's can't be rude, you mud-dobber, you? Besides it is the guard's job to say that. What do you think would happen to the townsman if he told the dark knight to put away his blades? He might just end up dead. Now if he had decided to press the issue by equipping his own weapons and /challenge ... that would have been a little different.
I am not condoning the OOC backtalk, mind you. I had a lol'er wink at me when I took issue with his ways.
Then again I think I misread it as it was the third party that was out of line. So I suppose my comments are not completely apt.
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What do you think would happen to the townsman if he told the dark knight to put away his blades? He might just end up dead.
But then, that's a totally different situation. Some backstory of the situation was the character I walk up to was just wearing the default lack of clothing that this game has a habit of giving people (Wonder what goes through the devs minds when they envision models :P ) and Timmy, fully clad in awesome looking armour and such, tells him the law that his weapons must be sheathed. I thought this guy was just new, and was one of them that just didn't know yet, and usually when I say stuff like that to people, they say something along the lines of "lol" sorry, then I explain to them in /tells how RP works, and about acting in character, then send them on their way.
This situation did not happen like that, and I suppose it was just an erratic, but I thought I'd defend my party. Perhaps I could've come off nicer, but Timmy just came from a Tavern where some not happy things had happened, so he wasn't exactly a ball of sunshine. xD
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One shouldn't assume that lack of armour means new and 'lol', et cetra. I have no armour.
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Wow... now we are darned if we do and darned if we don't. I've read more than one thread that complained about people always running around in full armor and how that is soooooo unrealistic when running around the tavern or mining, crafting, etc. Now it is being assumed that someone without armor is new and doesn't know any better. I do wish the RPers would get together and make a evil overlords list of biggest RP mistakes to spare the rest of us from offending or confusing them.
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Okay, here it is.
Greatest rping mistakes
1) Acting ooc
There are appropriate times to wear your 'awesome looking armour and such' but you should use common sense to know when that is. Also, one should take into account the nature of their character. Is he a humble priest of Xiosa? Is he a smith just making his way in the world? Would such a man wear armour?
Anyway, off topic over.
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1) Acting OOC, or speaking in contracted language such as leet.
2) Emotes or statements that tell others what they think or what they do, rather than allowing for a chance to interact and roll for outcome.
3) Forcing your RP on other people when they do not wish it.
4) Thinking, reacting and interacting like yourself... rather than like your character would.
Sometimes I walk around my house with my welding mask on. Sometimes I wear my jacket indoors. Sometimes I like to don body armor just to take out the trash. These things may not be common, or appropriate, but if someone wants to go around in full armor let them. Just emote that they are all sweaty and that they stink... they might get the idea.
See? I just broke my second rule... *slaps himself with a fish*
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2) Godmodding is OOC as IC is acting as your character. Therefore it is covered in one.
3) That isn't good rp, it is simply good manners towards other players.
4) That is covered in one.
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One shouldn't assume that lack of armour means new and 'lol', et cetra. I have no armour.
Nor did I say that at any point. No but typically a 'dark knight' which we were hypothetically saying he was, would if he was to be parading around the city with his swords drawn and attacking people who told him not to.
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One shouldn't assume that lack of armour means new and 'lol', et cetra. I have no armour.
Nor did I say that at any point. No but typically a 'dark knight' which we were hypothetically saying he was, would if he was to be parading around the city with his swords drawn and attacking people who told him not to.
but many people do sterotype new players as those that dont have amor equiped and have rudeness in how they rp at times.
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Isn't this the same as saying if a person only has a first name in game they must be an older player? Well I have been around since they did not require a last name and I have one. I do not wear armor either. All my friends protect me and look out for me so I am safe.
Never judge a book by its cover.
[If this is off topic, sorry.]
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Move rps to the Blackflame shrine.
:P I hate you when you are that serious. :D
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But definitely: Anywhere is better than the platinum mine, to search for roleplayers.
Yesterday there was a very interesting play: A previously noob-looking scene in the tavern basement (possessed youngster pwnz all) turned into a hint of a greater plot. So lower your biasing. The best advice I know to find roleplayers is: Stay, look, and listen.
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My opinion..
To understand what motivates, "grinders, Power levellers," you have to look at the end product. Building a CHAR within PS is the same as
WoW or UO or any other Mmorpg. Levelling up etc, acquisition of wealth, is for the purpose of what? Well like irl we do the same things. For
the same reasons.
Talad says, "You cant take your chattels/wealth with you." (when you die.) Yet Ps kind as well as mankind blindly aquire wealth and position.
Its Human nature.
So the answer is that I and others like me level up & acquire wealth and glyphs and all sorts.. Because its natural to do so.
WoW the most successful game of all time, reflects this. Ultima Online gives you a glimpse into the future. The release of houses to players. Storage of Items and interior decoration.
Powerscrolls & Stats scrolls costing 10's of millions of trias to increase stats above ceiling by a small margin. Ulbernauts attacking hydlaa at random.
Grouped players hunting malbernauts or A Posse routing out a well known but disguised Thief.
Not GM but Player Guards within Hydlaa supporting
Percival in Policing the towns. All to come... All to add richness and diversity to the game. Someone here suggested Purist RP'ers should play MUD's / IRC etc.
I agree...
PS isnt the same as WoW or UO I know i've played both. I played UO for over 4 years. I watched it morph from purist RP to Noobishness & general disintergration
of RP. I was sad it went, I liked RP. But time waits for no man. Things change.
XilliX, My utmost respect for allowing us to play your creation. Yes exploits are found & abused.
Yes We are rude & offensive to one another within guildchat. Yes we do Shout & forget to use brackets. Yes the mine is overrun with us. But you should see the fun we have.
We duel because we get bored mining & pick a fight with someone equally likeminded. I've had too many ores on me & had to drop it on the floor & move/pickup/drop/move.
Hilarious !! When I come across players doing this it makes me laugh ! In fact most of the so called abuse is just horseplay. People having fun.
Someone recently commented on how the stealth walk looked like he was constipated, And it does look
like that. And its funny & everyone at the mine was in stiches. This is real laughter not idiosyncratic IC banter.
After playing Ps for many months happily testing and bug reporting I hope no enforcement will be needed. I can tell you why as well. Because WE ARE IC all the time. Our characters
reflect our personalitys. Some are brash & rude, others more placating. Some are evil. Some think the sun shines out of their a**e. Most ask the daftest questions. Alot run around questing
or mining, Mobs bashing for pp's. But & this is key : They try to stay IC. By being THEMSELVES. Recently ive attended a number of Tourneys. Players duelling for prizemoney. Strict rules.
The crowd baying for blood. Husbands encouraging their wives to win. All of this is IC as far as im concerned.
Rp isnt dead. Its platform is. Rolling die n paper days are over. I know I go back that far. And now you dont like us Power players taking over your world. I pity you. I've moved on.
If you cant beat em join em I say. And when I did I soon realised what I had missed. Watching fellow guildsters develop & become specifically different from anyone else in the guild.
No two players are the same. We all have different ideas of what is right & wrong.
Ps wants the player to enjoy themselves. We do. With or without you Rp'ers. Why cant you do the same? Ignore us like somone suggested by placing on ignore list. Admittedly a long list.
Your in a minority. We who are intent on being stronger to fight & win tourneys or challenges are the vast majority. Its called progress. Its called RP.
Dragnoor
P.s Yes thats why we do it...To WIN !! Is that so bad ?
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Firstly, why do either PLers or RPers have to let the other “take over”? ::) Difficult as it is to coexist, it makes no sense to basically run either out of the game as both have fun in a valid way in game. Oh, and try taking over something in RL, see how likely people are to just go with the flow and except it. Doesn’t happen that way. :)
RPers in fact should be more tolerant of PLers as long as they aren’t disrupting people. On the other hand, RPers aren’t required to stop role playing and just power level because everyone has to have fun the same way. RPers have genuine laugher too. And RPers can laugh even when bad things happen to their characters since they are less likely to take it personally than someone who basically treats their character as an extension of themselves.
True, PLers can have fun and will have fun without RPers, but RPers are what took PS past the crystal hunting stage. There was a time before there were things to kill. I can’t say I personally like idea of PLing but I’m willing to accept it is more fun for some. Conversely, PLers should accept that RPers RP because they enjoy it better than PLing and don’t want to not play a game because the PLers feel the time for RP has past. :)
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I decided to believe that you (dragnoor) didn't make this forum account just to flame, so Im going to comment few points.
Being OOC can be fun, no question. And the move/pickup/drop/move thingy can be funny to watch aswell.
But to be honest, I doubt that you were really IC at any time except maybe a few seconds like the applauding if even then. The other points are just wrong imho, wanting to become stronger has only little to do with being IC in the game as for one example. (As a side note: We are ic because our chars are the same like we is a bit paradox ;))
The ignoring is no solution. Even not at all in my opinion again. As for one example: I have difficulties ignoring you if you run with drawn weapons into me when Im e.g. at a counter in a tavern. Ok, I will get worse mood in RL and let my char step aside. Often enough Im again stabbed only seconds after by a turn of the weapon wielder or because he bumps in all corners because he has to run all the time. It is disturbing and the ignore function doesn't help - neither when three minutes later the next one comes to stab around.
But as a bad news for you: you are not taking over the world, so just waiting for this won't work. Ignoring doesn't work for the rpers so it looks like we should find a way to live with another. Not being indifferent towards other people in an multiplayer game and showing some basic respect to another would be a first step.
Unlike your opinion I believe that the majority goes the development from powergamer (*leveler) to roleplayer. I did (still in a more or less early stage of development) this and know several others who went through this process. So several of the roleplayers in the game know the fun and know what they "miss"
And from my experience is a good part of the powerlevelers not like "We are taking over your world" but rather curious when they come in contact with rp after some time. And this is a good thing for ps :)
Much more to say but it has to wait for tomorrow or probably said by other in the meantime
Sen
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Sen : "Not being indifferent towards other people in an multiplayer game and showing some basic respect to another would be a first step."
Ditto.
And Im sorry about having weapons out in town. A note to all PL'ers. Sheath swords. I will show politeness. I didnt imply a takeover. But its the way of the world for things to change. I was a keen RP'er once too.
Dragnoor
P.s Avid Anti - flamer
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I get a little bored of the complaint about weapons in hand. I get a little ticked when I am walking around without weapons and the NPC reminds me to sheath them while in town. There are lots of niggling little things that you can allow to degrade your experiences but for the most part they are irrelevant.
If I happen to be running into you at the counter in a tavern it is probably because I want to talk to the NPC and you are in the way. Maybe I just ran in from the wilds and forgot to take my weapons off because I am going right back out but maybe if I was able I would just shout my questions of the NPC from the doorway and not actually enter if it wasn't required by the game mechanics. Maybe I would not have to stand on top of you if you were not in the spot where people talking to the NPC need to stand. In a real bar I could call the server over to the other end of the bar but not here.
I guess all I am saying is that people should be flexible enough to not let the minor details get them down. The only reason my weapon being out might look like it is stuck in you is because bodies are not solid -- a design choice. Another thing, just because my sword is in its sheath does not mean my sheath is not in my hand, it is pretty hard to sit down when you have a 4 foot long thing jamming the wall or getting stuck in the chair legs.
There is plenty about the game that will not live up to expectations of realism you just need to learn to adapt to what is. By all means use the bug tracker to ask for improvements but make do for now.
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You can't expect 100% realism in a free game, things go slowly and it's good enough the way they're improving, I couldn't have expected anything much better.
And about roleplaying, it's up to roleplayers to help people roleplay more. Whining about old times, asking where roleplayers are... Potential roleplayers are everywhere, just find them, train them and include them in events. Make sure there's always a roleplay running somewhere instead of waiting for someone to make one, and even the most stupid one can make people feel good and free to roleplay.
Some just don't roleplay because they think they're not good enough and because of the lack of vocabulary (I have to admit I'm one of those people) but everytime I see a nice roleplay, it's hard to join it, people just do it to develop their characters and rarely make open roleplays.
Some people know that, if they have a good event in mind they can tell me to join and I will.
I remember I once started an event about my character (Wavan) getting poisoned and switching personalities (he thought he was Harnquist... Brado... and people had to convince him he wasn't) it was amazing the number of people who just said "he's an idiot" and left it that way. However, some people were interested in joining it and it ended in a good way. We just have to keep trying and not whine or give up.
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One of my characters helped save the life of a random dwarf yesterday in the tavern. My little farmer patched him up like he would one of his livestock that was attacked by beasts.
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And about roleplaying, it's up to roleplayers to help people roleplay more. Whining about old times, asking where roleplayers are... Potential roleplayers are everywhere, just find them, train them and include them in events. Make sure there's always a roleplay running somewhere instead of waiting for someone to make one, and even the most stupid one can make people feel good and free to roleplay.
Some just don't roleplay because they think they're not good enough and because of the lack of vocabulary (I have to admit I'm one of those people) but everytime I see a nice roleplay, it's hard to join it, people just do it to develop their characters and rarely make open roleplays.
Ummm.... open RPs were more common in the past and so were people that helped others learn. That's kinda why RPers "whine" about the old times. ;D And you assume that most people you pass are just waiting and willing to learn or participate in RPs. Most of the time, when you have open RPs, people stand around silent. I've tried making RPs, they always fizzle out due to low interest unless it is someone who regularly RPed with me in the past.
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I would just like to say that every time I've been on recently, I've either been able to RP with someone I've RPed with before or develop interesting RPs with groups of complete strangers. Personally, I've quite enjoyed my recent experiences with roleplaying on PS and I hope to be able to further them through my own effort.
Thank you.
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Ummm.... open RPs were more common in the past and so were people that helped others learn. That's kinda why RPers "whine" about the old times. ;D And you assume that most people you pass are just waiting and willing to learn or participate in RPs. Most of the time, when you have open RPs, people stand around silent. I've tried making RPs, they always fizzle out due to low interest unless it is someone who regularly RPed with me in the past.
Were more common in the past, that's all whining but doing nothing about it. Who cares if those ones don't want to roleplay? What I assume is that some people want to and they can't because they have no chance to take part in an event.
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Gees just this morning I had some taxman ask me where to find a victi...debtor and a big orange dud ask where a diamond mine was. It was positively an eventful time!
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Illysia Caterean stands near the Hydlaa message board talking with a well dressed Ylian. In her hands there are three scrolls; she hands one to the Ylian and walks away.
The Ylian opens the scroll and reads out loud, "Lady Illysia Caterean of the Royal House of Purrty will be offering hosting lessons to those who visit her in the kitchen in the Broken Door Tavern in Ojaveda free of charge. Classes will begin with cooking lessons. All that is requires is that you provide your own cooking implements. Necessary tools: kitchen knife, scoop, wooden spoon."
The Ylian pins the scroll with some difficulty to the message board and then walks away returning to his previous business.
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/3786/cookinglessonsscrollcopiy0.th.gif) (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cookinglessonsscrollcopiy0.gif)
[See this thread http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=33082.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=33082.0) for an explanation of the post.]
I think the above is about as open as it gets. Just because it is open doesn't mean people come rushing to join. And, I think that people forget that PS is supposed to be a RP game not "oh by the way there were some people RPing somewhere". Even if not everyone is RPing you should be able to walk through a city and see random RPs happening throughout it. I have nice RPs from time to time. I try to make them. But, non RPers underestimate how easy it is to just create RP. And unlike PLing, RP can continue during server outages and through wipes.
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Ok, yes, sure, of course...
We all know that RP died years an years ago, not NOW.
Anyways, RP is dead 'cause RPers already solved many of the problems that the "evil" people created, and now there aren't much more left.
I mean, you can still hear shouting "GUAAAAAARDS!" around, sometimes, but there aren't anymore things as the slavery, people trying to conquer the world (ok, this may make you all laugh, as me when I found out that that was one of shauni's evil plans.), and other things as these... Mah...
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There's still evil and slavery and such...and if you're not finding any, why not make an evil character? :devil:
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'cause I am too good and I like too much playing as Gaian.. Ok, SOME times she turned evil... :devil: But not too much time. While she was still a Dark Magic lover :P
Hehe. When I'll have time (and the time to exit from this horrible tutorial with my characters... but... erhm, don't you seem to be a bit exaggerated to give a probable n00b around 4k trias?! :o) I'll create my evil char ;)
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Heh, well, admittedly my characters lean towards good or occasionally neutral most of the time. My latest alt is neutral and could be swayed either way right now, but it's hard to have a character go evil when they happen to be afraid of pretty much everything that moves...XD
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Delireah is coming. Take care. :devil:
Maybe I'll make evil RPers have less idiot ideas ;D
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thinking that anything said with /me counts for roleplay (example: /me thinks xx is a noob).
Looking for a game with RP opportunities, can I assume that this RP is the norm, or not? I read a few pages of posts, but some were confusing to the point of even downplaying RP.
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Looking for a game with RP opportunities, can I assume that this RP is the norm, or not? I read a few pages of posts, but some were confusing to the point of even downplaying RP.
Indeed, RP is the norm here. We just have a few babies here, that's all. But that's typical with about any game that has some degree of RP in it.
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Indeed, RP is the norm here. We just have a few babies here, that's all. But that's typical with about any game that has some degree of RP in it.
I was hoping the /me thinks xx is a noob
was not the norm, some friends and I with a love of RP were thinking of trying the game, and am glad that RP is the norm, thanks!
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To be picky:
The OOC term "noob" does not belong to an IC emotive "/me". ;)
Apart from that, most players I meet try to act in a roleplaying style, try to stay in-character. We don't enforce, we support.
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To be picky:
The OOC term "noob" does not belong to an IC emotive "/me". ;)
Apart from that, most players I meet try to act in a roleplaying style, try to stay in-character. We don't enforce, we support.
That is good to hear, i.e. "picky" it doesn't seem the appropriate word for IC RP to me either and support is good, I hope to meet some RPers in game. Right now have been trying to understand/read the history,rules etc. before making a char. Thanks for all your input.
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The "documented" rules of races, their pro's and con's, are not yet completely implemented (e.g. no "Nightvision" yet). They differ in start-up skills and stats, but not so much that e.g. an elvish female would never have a chance to advance in combat (although it is harder than e.g. starting with a male Ynnwn or a Kran for this purpose)...
Make a char that matches the role you want to play.
Play your role.
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We RP'ers are there... patiently waiting... getting involved where we can... and then waiting...
And waiting some more... ;D
There have been good RP events both small and large and there have been wonderful RP moments to be sure.
I, however, am starting to become... leary of those who tend to be... poor me, woe is me, everyone hates me syndrome.
While I'm sure it's a natural happening in RP communities, it just seems so self destructive and if done in excess as some have achieved, it can be a real turn off.
Take the time to develop your character while the server is down... what are it's habits? What does it think about? What does it want to become? etc... these will all help when you start to RP IG.
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In the 3 months or so ive played PS i have lost count of all the little RPs ive been in and surprisingly a lot have been at mines and even a few at the plat mine. RP lovers dont just hang out at Kada Els and you get far less noise 'out on the land' ;)
For the plat mine why not take along a supply of tankards and pass them round as im sure it will loosen the dwarf tongues there so breaking the ice then maybe say [ fancy some RP? ]. If your refused just say ok and thank them for replying.
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Take the time to develop your character while the server is down... what are it's habits? What does it think about? What does it want to become? etc... these will all help when you start to RP IG.
As a cartoonist and a writer, I've found that hunting down and filling out character questionnaires helps character development along sometimes (especially the painfully long ones). Maybe I'll do a PS specific one...buuuuuut I probably won't, seeing as this weekend is likely going to be spent sleeping off the cold I've caught. :(