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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on November 13, 2008, 04:04:34 pm

Title: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Xillix Queen of Fools on November 13, 2008, 04:04:34 pm
Just trying to get a feel for where the belief lies TODAY

This has been done previously in various ways.

The discussion is to be kept friendly. Please do not attack each other.

We are open to ideas on how to enhance the fun of having a faith in character.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Parallo on November 13, 2008, 05:44:43 pm
More detail on the practices and beliefs of different religions would help. What makes a believer in Laanx different from a believer in Talad? I was working on something to submit but it was wiped along with my client a month or so ago when my computer decided that it really hated me.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Lokter Tarvitz on November 13, 2008, 06:05:04 pm
My main worships Dakkru... mainly becuase of past RP events that I was part of when I first started. I had always liked the idea of Dakkru but i really would like more information on each of the religions, becuase at the moment other than the "Big 3" they arent used in RP

*Big 3 =Laanx, Talad, Dakkru
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Parallo on November 13, 2008, 06:17:25 pm
Blackflame is involved heavily in rp. The followers just don't tell you about it.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Garris Shrike on November 13, 2008, 06:23:07 pm
Garris is a Blackflame and Laanxist

Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Candy on November 13, 2008, 08:16:55 pm
My primary character is not religious, but not exactly an 'atheist'. She doesn't like Laanx or Dakkru, and never cared much for Talad. I'm basically just waiting for the events of her life to push her in Xiosia's direction at some point right now, as that's the path that makes the most sense for her.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Raa on November 13, 2008, 10:23:29 pm
Garris is a Blackflame and Laanxist

That's not possible...
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Shaman on November 13, 2008, 10:36:24 pm
Garris is a Blackflame and Laanxist

That's not possible...

It is when you use Laanx as a cover for public eyes.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Raa on November 13, 2008, 10:37:09 pm
That still doesn't mean he worships Laanx. It's just a mask.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: zanzibar on November 13, 2008, 11:04:31 pm
I don't understand the "All" option.  The impression I have of the gods in Planeshift is that they're jealous, and don't want you to worship other gods besides themselves.  I'd actually be happy to learn that I've been wrong all this time.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Shaman on November 13, 2008, 11:19:18 pm
I don't understand the "All" option.  The impression I have of the gods in Planeshift is that they're jealous, and don't want you to worship other gods besides themselves.  I'd actually be happy to learn that I've been wrong all this time.

I think only Laanx and Talad are jealous of each other. The way I see Xiosia and Dakkru, they're like "sub-gods" that can be worshipped along with the greater gods. For example, if you're a rich merchant who sells exotic fruits, you'd probably be a follower of both Laanx and Xiosia.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Garris Shrike on November 13, 2008, 11:39:59 pm
I definitely use Laanx as a cover up.
But I put it since it's the one most people are more familiar with me referring to.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Kedhran on November 13, 2008, 11:52:58 pm
I like Laanx.  The crazy little she-he is actually interesting... if a bit confusing.  Talad, Xiosia, Ol' Flamey and Dakkru all seem a bit overdone...  You're always going to see the basic archetypes of good guy, bad guy, life, and death.  It feels too much like every other fantasy game.  Laanx on the other hand is kind of like the mythological deities of yonder days, what with the wrath and the mental instability and the unacknowledged evil and such.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Farren Kutter on November 13, 2008, 11:59:47 pm
Farren unwittingly, not quite 'follows' Xiosia, but instead, happens to work towards the same goals. He does not worship Xiosia as a deity, he serves Xiosia as a protector of nature. He doesn't say prayers, doesn't actively worships Xiosia, but does serve her with his own goals, and basically runs parallel to her. Very hard to really explain.

I have other characters that worship other deities, including a Black Flame follower that would be the last person you'd expect (aside from maybe Farren :P). I do not have a Dakkru follower or even a Talad folllower, but I do have one or two Laanx followers.


Also, Kedhran: Laanx is, or at least was, one of the most 'followed' gods at one time in PS, until they came out with Dakkru and Xiosia. Everyone wanted to be different and follow the new goddesses. I on the other hand simply played my character as he was :) Farren is a ranger, almost always has been (I made the Rangers of Yliakum guild a couple months after joining PS) and he protects nature (as a whole, not every little blade of grass and every little critter scampering around in that grass :P). He hasn't changed in that respect, simply a new goddess has been added that his goals tend to serve the interest of. If someone claims they are going to attack Xiosia, he may be concerned, but only because he considers Xiosia to be nature itself. Often, he's not really too afraid since he doubts an average person can do very much to nature without getting themselves killed.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Prolix on November 14, 2008, 12:04:10 am
bilbous does not worship any god except one who personally forces him to do so. This has not happened yet nor is it likely anytime soon.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Mythryndel on November 14, 2008, 12:14:45 am
My character doesn't really follow a specific deity, but is in the habit of parting company with "May Laanx smile on you"... mostly as a IC way of saying... "hope the server stays up"... :)
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Xillix Queen of Fools on November 14, 2008, 12:21:58 am
Even though worship of ALL gods is not consistent with settings it is pertinent to this discussion how many do it anyway.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Shaman on November 14, 2008, 12:28:03 am
I'm curious about one thing, though. One of my characters is a Kran, and kra worships both Talad and Xiosia. However, kra needs to eat diamonds and other such things in order to, well...live. So, kra is sometimes required to mine. Would this conflict with kra being a Xiosia follower?

My conclusion is that it wouldn't, because while some people might mine and disturb nature for riches, my character does it for food, just as a hunter might do when killing animals. Hunters respect nature, and adapt to nature, and become the predator just like what animals do to other animals IN nature, so applying this same aspect to my Kran mining out gems and ores, I'm curious to know if mining for food would...make Xiosia angry?
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: zanzibar on November 14, 2008, 12:31:46 am
Shalmaneser worshiped Laanx for a while, but it's questionable if it was sincere.  He worshiped Chaos more than anything else, and frankly I never did a good job of writing his character.

Setmot was very private about his personal religious beliefs, although he wrote about religion relatively often.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Raa on November 14, 2008, 12:32:35 am
Shaman, eating is natural. Mining for moolah isn't. So, Xiosia isn't going to hate your Kran.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Duraza on November 14, 2008, 12:54:09 am
Meh, my characters are mainly Dakkru and Black Flame. I've got Laanx and Talad worshippers as well but no Xiosia ones. I once had characters with their own made up justified reasons for not worshipping gods, so they were atheists, but they have all long faded away.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Parallo on November 14, 2008, 01:50:08 am
Setmot was very private about his personal religious beliefs, although he wrote about religion relatively often.

Thats a question I wish I had the oppertunity to ask Setmot when he was about. The writings are good though and we have several copies in the DE library.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: khoridor on November 14, 2008, 07:29:45 am
Even though worship of ALL gods is not consistent with settings it is pertinent to this discussion how many do it anyway.
It seems to me that it's actually the most consistent, since the setting is polytheist.
With a pantheon, people tend to pray a god according to their current need. Hunting, they'll pray Xaosia, hurt, Talad, dying, Dakkru, and so on. Priests would be specialised, but it would be rare for other people.
Not praying at all is also fine, because people easily forget about the gods, when it suits them. There are also other reasons.

Personally, I praise mostly Dakkru. Not because of character creation (no idea who I chose back then), but as an acknowledgment of her importance in my life. She's the boon of Yliakum, and the only one whose power we actually experience heavily. And of course, she's not evil, which makes our gratitude sincere.

A few things I find odd in the system:
- the fact that all Dakkru's NPC followers seem to be evil
- the choice at character creation. It need not be there.
-the fact that the magic ways are not clearly related to a deity or another. I don't mean to restrict the Ways according to characters' faith; I'm referring to the fact that, if I understood correctly, all the glyphs originate from the same deity.
- By reading the description of a new character, everybody can see their faith (including the secretive blackflamers)... until the player finds out how to alter his description.
- The lack of clear mythology about the afterlife, which is, after all, the origin of religion and the main concern of believers.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Farren Kutter on November 14, 2008, 09:21:33 am
Shaman: Xiosia won't care one way or another because in the end, your mining does little to nothing to Nature as a whole.
Title: Re: System of belief/disbelief Poll
Post by: Tuxide on November 14, 2008, 09:44:14 am
I don't think Tuxide understands a whole lot about religion, but I put Laanx down because he prays to that god anyways.  He considers it miraculous when people get struck down.

All my other characters are either Talad, Dakkru, or Blackflame worshippers.  I don't think I have anyone who worships Xiosia or the 0 god (http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=1417).