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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: XF25 on December 25, 2008, 09:36:32 am
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This is kinda bad name...but I heard it when Xiosia was giving away gifts. Merry Xiosiamas!
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What did everyone wish for this fine night?
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can we also celebrate LaanX-mas?
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It must be a joke...
but thinking of the recent happenings, I am really unsure if it couldn't possibly be true.
Shocking.
Maybe I need another sig., something like "OOC is the new IC".
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Well, first, congrats to those who had the pleasure of receiving gifts. I can imagine it was a very nice experience :)
I also wonder a bit though how it came to this; if it's true what I heard it was.. hmmm.. really surprising.
Sen
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Could someone explain this a bit more in detail, please?
I wonder what Xiosia expects in return. Do those who received gifts have to provide something in return? Like finding more disciples for the religion?
Has Xiosia a contract with the Octarchy? Or can she just create items and houses on demands?
I also wonder if Xiosia will give gifts on the muslim and jewish holidays as well.
Are we allowed to mine on sabbath?
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Sure, I'll explain it. One fateful night, at the smithy's shop, the Goddess Xiosia appeared in the flesh and bone and granted every wish the people could come up with. Very nice Holidays presents, I think.
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I also wonder if Xiosia will give gifts on the muslim and jewish holidays as well.
Are we allowed to mine on sabbath?
good question !!
I think Rakshak is right !
PS is not dying. It's being killed.
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Maybe we can also get santa jelly bag caps next year.
Oh, and now that "items can have lights" as we have seen with torches and camp fires, maybe we can have christmas tree items, small ones for the hands and bigger ones to be put into the guild houses.
wouldn't THAT be great?
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You're all whiney little [insert preferred insulting noun here].
I would have greatly enjoyed getting to experience life as a groffel. And mainly I found this an eye opener because apparantly everyone present were great little RPers, when they had something to gain. So instead of whining "OMG XIOSA'S KILLING RP!" Remember that RP has been dead since Crystal Blue, and it's nice to have a lead on how it could be effectively encouraged.
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The only place roleplay can die is inside yourself.
Here, within the bounds of all my characters, it is alive and well. RP can't be killed, but you can let it die. I mourn the loss of yours.
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anybody know if the rest of the people on Xiosia's list will get their wishes granted? She had to leave before my name was called - waited ~2hrs lol
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So PLers are all envious because few people were granted levels, and RPers are all pissed because that thing appeared to make no sense.
If there was such a huge event, a goddess turning dermorian and granting dozens of wishes that is, shouldnt there be some aftermath, books written about it, a monument errected, maybe even Laanx be questioned since Xiosia did lots of good right in Laanx' (the symbol/statue) face?
If RPers are meant to be happy and roleplay along, and include this event into the whole play, please make it kinda decent enough. At the moment I will certainly refrain from taking it any ICish at all, because if I would do that, then all other stuff would loose relevance, like that tree growth in the magic garden, or any other god at all.
So did this event have any background, a figured out idea, a plan, or was it more or less a spontaneous idea, some incident better be considered isolated (ala "hey its xmas, lets bring it into PS for tonight!")?
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Ok for Xiosia she has a habit of showing up 'in the flesh' She did so a few times during the riverling storyline.
For the RPness of said event I agree with the last post on a couple of points:
1] Xiosia is considered a minor God, at least by what I have read in the books , So to do all this giving and blessing in the plaza instead of in the secret garden is a bit odd, especially near the Statue and temple of Laanx.
2] Xiosia appears to be attempting to collect more followers, and unless Laanx blesses her subjects in a similar way, which I doubt she will it is not in Laanxs character for this kind of gifting, It appears Xiosia may gain those followers.
3] Seeing some sort of recourse from Talad or Laanx would be nice, either by their Avatars showing up or through a new storyline of cryer reports in the Plaza or what not, Would make this event to be more palatable to the RPers.
4] Giving of talents was a nice effect being that the Goddess now appears to favour certain people, Being the pantheology that Yliakum has this is all within context and very fitting, and would cause certain ramifications.
Well theres my take and thanks for listening to those that do.
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So did this event have any background, a figured out idea, a plan, or was it more or less a spontaneous idea, some incident better be considered isolated (ala "hey its xmas, lets bring it into PS for tonight!")?
That is what I actually was asking, too. Maybe I should be less sarcastic.
For my char, who exists almost 2 years (RL), it would have a bombastic impact if it was really like I assume: Anyone just asked for a gift and received it.
During these 2 years:
- Talad never showed any proof of existence to my char.
- Laanx proofed existence by killing people only.
- Xiosia proofed existence by giving dozens of precious gifts at one night.
You might figure what this means to a Diaboli.
@Timmothy: Insults are often a sign of a lack of arguments. It is also impolite.
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I thought the gods were supposed to be heard of but never seen. This game keeps getting screwier.
I guess it is good that the only thing that really interests me is making an ass of myself on the forums and reporting the odd bug I find.
I do kind of wonder how all these white western celebrations fit in to the settings.
I almost think some GM got drunk and started to abuse their powers, if this ever happened in the first place. I saw nothing of it, but I tend to avoid crowds.
guess it was just the flipside of the auction if houses were getting given away.
BTW if you plan on introducing a new god of utter indifference, bilbous might be its perfect messiah. I promise to do as little as possible to promote it as long as it showers me with dubious benefits.
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I thought this thread's title was a PlaneShift pun on Christmas. But I read now it was an actual event carried out.
I have no more to say :P
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To be a little more constructive, it might have been a better plan to wander around in disguise and talking to random people, build up a list of who you talked to and the nature of the conversation. When you had talked to enough people you could then spend some time before logging off giving out goodies from a unreachable location without any notice to those so favored. This would help with the problem of too many people crowding the GM and would go toward rewarding the role players.
I'm just sorry I spent all my time mining and smelting.
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Im sorry... but how is this showing any sort of fairness?...
What about people who live in completely different Timezones and missed the event?
They still have to grind for levels whereas a few lucky people have maxed their favourite stat becuase they asked. What of the guilds such as the reaver Pack and The Outlaws? They saved millions of tria for the auctions only to have their hoped dashed by the ridiculous reserve prices? Now some other guilds have gotten their hands on Houses, when some guilds were willing to pay millions?
Now tell me if that is fair? See it from my view...
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Life is unfair, that is all.
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Everything is going to be wiped eventually. If you're a powerleveler who's upset over this because you spent all your days mining platinum to get the levels: too bad, you're just going to be wiped anyway, and if you were given maxed skills right away you'd quit playing for lack of things to do. If you're a roleplayer who needs the levels to support roleplay: good for you, that's what they should be for. If you're a roleplayer who didn't get the levels: I'm sorry, but everything will be wiped anyway, so it won't be unfair forever.
Now quit complaining.
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This wasn't intended to be an event where every single player and guild were evaluated and given goodies based on perceived merit. That would be impossible. It also wasn't intended to be some sort of charity drive to help certain players and guilds "get a leg up" based on perceived need or energy expended. That would be a mess.* So... what was this event?
It was a gift. Just a gift.. it's really that simple. Some team members were inspired by the season and decided to give out some unexpected treats. Some players were grateful, some were resentful, some were supportive, and some were critical. That sort of varied response just is part and parcel of being a member of the human race. It doesn't surprise me or make me sad. I am happy for those who enjoyed the gesture. I hope that those who did not will find future events more to their liking, but just because they did not like this particular one doesn't mean I'm going to condemn it when it was so clearly designed to be a fun holiday present. It also doesn't mean that I'm going to give up trying to think of more ways to bring joy to our community. I'm gonna bring the fun no matter what, darnit!
* Although... wouldn't a guild modelled after a charitable society be a GREAT RP opportunity? Think about it...
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Now to date ive posted nothing but derisory comments and rightly so, concerning this whole issue. Yes in Rp its wrong and indded OOC its also wrong...but she came none the less. And made profound changes to those that were present. And for this again nothing but derisory comments. But then I took a step back.
And I thought long and hard about it.
I concluded that maybe the team were thinking that things needed a helping hand. That not enough maxed crafters existed in PS. Nor were noobs encouraged enough to stay on at PS and make a go of it. Well now we know of least 20 or so players that will. Plus others that gained skills.
Ok its not fair. Unjust. And wholly wrong from the gamers point of view. But this isnt our baby is it. We only play it. We dont create it. We dont perfect it. We dont sit hours on end making it better. Xiosia does. as do others & they only have limited time. Wharever they do. They have my blessing. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
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Dragnoor,
I thank you VERY VERY much for giving a nod to those who try so hard to make this game a fun place to hang out. However, I think you might be assigning deeper motives to this event than actually existed. It really was just a celebratory thing. We used the element of surprise to give out some groovy gifts for the sole purpose of making some smiles and sharing the spirit of giving. As far as the OOC thing goes... it's not really OOC to me personally; it's the beauty of having a world inhabited by deities. Sometimes they make life harder and occasionally they grant boons in unexpected ways. They give us a chance to turn Yliakum on its ear and echo the way that real life can throw you kicks & kisses that you can't predict.
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* Although... wouldn't a guild modelled after a charitable society be a GREAT RP opportunity? Think about it...
My char asked for a guild house (of course for his poor shelterless friends ;) ), but the wish was not granted. But Xiosia made him a master in two magic ways.
Orgonwukh was always an atheist (like almost all Diabolis), now he sold his soul to Xiosia. I am curious how this will develop. I expect that the number of Xiosia's followers increases dramatically.
I think/hope/wish that the next time Talad, Laanx or Dakkru grant an wishes if you ever feel like this ;)
Although I still think it's a bit unfair OOCly and the powers of Xiosia are a bit too high and inadequate (Increasing skill levels by a factor of 1.5 while not going over the max would have been a better solution in my opinon. By this you would not have made complete skill laymen to masters), I also thank you.
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But Xiosia made him a master in two magic ways.
Orgonwukh, now I am puzzled. So you got some candy and suddenly kinda agree with that whole thing?
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I still dont.. becuase i sat there at christmas, and i sat there yesterday. And i got nothing, i sat there while others were yelling OOC comments about "I got max DW" while Others got nothing.
Once again it has been a massive disaster
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I still dont.. becuase i sat there at christmas, and i sat there yesterday. And i got nothing...
So the complaining of most really is about "they got something and I didn't get anything", ok, not too much to wonder about but not my point at all.
and this
yelling OOC comments about "I got max DW"
is something way more worth to worry about compared to
while Others got nothing.
However, I can well imagine that this is part of the reason why some* "official planeshift people" response in a childish insulting* way.. as if they are talking to little wheepy children.. rather than realizing that someone is making a serious statement.
And latter is possibly the reason why some leave rather silently instead of making a "why I left" thread (or turn into something like PSTruth).
*) may sound like more than there were. However, there's something like "representing the team", I think.
*) tried to come up with a better expression, but this really seems to fit best.
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But Xiosia made him a master in two magic ways.
Orgonwukh, now I am puzzled. So you got some candy and suddenly kinda agree with that whole thing?
Arerano, I still do not like the whole idea (the link to a RL holiday, the manifestation of a god, unrealistic gifts like houses or supernaturally fast increase in levels).
However, it has happened, that Xiosia granted wishes (more than once). Ignoring these events would be in principle the same as ignoring the existence of guards. And that is why I asked for the IC background above. I cannot ignore this fact in game, too many people are affected by this.
My questions were not answered here on forums, but more or less in game. Here is what happened:
- My char met many people who praised the divinity of Xiosia for granting wishes (houses, increase in levels).
- Since Orgonwukh is an atheist in game, he denied Xiosia's divinity, offended Xiosia and did what any atheist in RL does: Challenging the goddess to proof her existence.
- The last usually works quite well in RL for atheists, because there seldom is a response that can be interpreted as such a proof. It was different in game:
[Orgonwukh arrives at the Xiosia tree where a dwarf is talking to a voice coming from the tree]
Xiosia says: then state your wish
Orgonwukh looks at the tree and frowns
Orgonwukh walks around the tree, observing it
Dwarf says: I would like to become a Master in repairing skills
Orgonwukh looks strangely at Dwarf, then at Xiosia
>Dwarf thanks Xiosia!
Orgonwukh says: Who is speaking there?
Dwarf says: did you heard Goddess Xiosia too?
Orgonwukh says: I heard a voice, but who is that? If it really is a god and granting wishes...
Orgonwukh looks the tree over "Or just a kinky weird trick..."
Dwarf says: try to Pray her maybe she will heard your wish
Orgonwukh glances at Dwarf "You got a wish granted?"
Dwarf nods
Orgonwukh's eyes widen "Pray? How?"
Orgonwukh frowns "I really hope this is not stupid trick..."
>Orgonwukh concentrates in a prayer for Dwarf.
Orgonwukh looks at Dwarf "Like this?"
Dwarf says: yes
Orgonwukh shrugs
>Orgonwukh concentrates in a prayer for Xiosia.
Orgonwukh looks expectingly at Xiosia
>Dwarf greets Orgonwukh.
Orgonwukh mumbles to himself "Can't believe I am doing this..." then he raises his voice "Xiosia?"
>Orgonwukh concentrates in a prayer for Xiosia.
Orgonwukh casually nods to an arriving elf and continues to pray (or at least pretends to)
Orgonwukh stops praying and looks up at the tree "Thought so... a scam."
Xiosia says: Are you seeking a bless from me? What bless are you seeking for?
Orgonwukh's jaw drops
Orgonwukh says: Uhm, eh... Hi... I am Org. And indeed, I have a lot of wishes.
Orgonwukh says: Of course not for myself!
Orgonwukh says: Just to help the poor and homeless.
Orgonwukh says: So many people and poor friends of mine seek shelter these days... And the weather is so bad. Snow and rain. You see?
Orgonwukh looks at Cilige and quickly makes a solemn face while looking at Xiosia "I would like to give my friends shelter, you see? Maybe just a small cottage in Hydlaa, but a big house would be even better."
Xiosia says: Sorry but i can't give houses anymore you may have another wish?
Orgonwukh sighs "Well then..."
Orgonwukh says: To make me able to protect my poor friends from any harm... I'd like to become a brown and dark way master... uhm... and some very good heavy helmet would be good, too. Just to protect them, of course.
Orgonwukh looks expectingly and curiously at Xiosia
[Here dark way was set to 100, brown way to 150]
Orgonwukh shivers "What the..."
Orgonwukh glares at the tree and falls to his knees, trembling
>Orgonwukh takes a seat.
Orgonwukh stumbles to his feet and fumbles with some glyphs
>Orgonwukh stands up.
Orgonwukh says: By the...
Xiosia says: now go my child and remember to always please me in your life
Orgonwukh nods "Yeah yeah, sure, will do..."
Orgonwukh bows and walks of looking rather confused
I have no idea how this roleplay will continue, but it at least offers some unexpected possibilities. I doubt that Orgonwukh will become a true Xiosia follower, he will just continue to do whatever suits him to gain more power, even if he has to pretend to be faithful and lie to a god. I tried to continue roleplaying my char according to his background without being affected by my personal dislike of the recent events. Feel free to lay into me.
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There was nothing OOC about this.
This happened, for real.
People complaining about it happening on Christmas day are the ones bringing ooc into this. The game time moves differently than our time and a deity could do something like this any day. I just thought it would be a nice gesture on the holiday.
Myself and two gms stayed in the same location through several time zones.
The gods are supposed to have a more palpable presence in the character's lives.
This is one of the reason I am so opposed to atheism in game.
For those of you who are upset by this and telling the leader of the settings team that this action was damaging to the game I ask you: are you really in a position to determine for me how the settings work?
What is the real crux of your argument?
What is it that you find so bad about a god showing up?
Did xiosia tread on your idea of the world?
This was solely my responsibility.
Do not blame gms or other devs, blame xillix.
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I support you Xillix, and not as a shameless attempt to suck up... you know I will tell you when I think you are wrong. I simply do not remember... what was the outcry about OOC Halloween events a couple months ago... you mean there wasn't? Why not? It corresponded with a RL holiday too... people got to wear costumes (I ran around as a Maulbernaut for a few hours)... An obstacle course in DR... all kinds of really fun things... how was this different? Now a bunch of people can experience new things in the game for themselves. This event wasn't as dramatic in presentation as the Halloween event, but will have a more lasting effect.
I'm sorry, but the real issue here seems to simply be that some people got really nice stuff, and others didn't. The same as the guild house auction... the same as most of the RPer vs PLer "flamewars" that go on here on the forums. I'm starting to believe that you simply can't please everyone... no matter how hard you try.
In the spirit of full-disclosure.. I was not on for this event. I was wrapping presents and trying to get a couple hours sleep before my kids woke me up. I am also not bitter in any way for those that received gifts. There are still things they will have to work for in-game, just like the rest of us.
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I differ from you in that I support XilliX as a shameless attempt to suck up. <3
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To each his own... :)
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I strongly reject the name Xiosiamas being used in game. This should never be used or considered an IC use of language within planeshift. "Xiosia's Coming" or anything else not linking to earthly religions or nomenclature is better.
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a deity could do something like this any day. I just thought it would be a nice gesture on the holiday.
See this IS out of context if not necessarily out of character. I personally do not have any real problem with this event or others as I mostly ignore them anyway for various reasons. Does that statement mean we can expect similar giveaways on other days that have no particular real life significance, say January 11, May 13 or October 2? Perhaps you could have an event one day where the Black Flame wanders around in disguise cursing everyone he passes or randomly rearranging their abilities. Would that be more suited to Dakkru or is there another as yet unrevealed god in charge of chaos?
The main reason I avoid events is that I dislike crowds. But since the character I play generally has little use for the gods, this was one I did not go out of my way to investigate.
How about "The Flowering of Xiosia's Benevolence"
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(...) Does that statement mean we can expect similar giveaways on other days that have no particular real life significance, say January 11, May 13 or October 2? (...)
Exactly.
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hehe, fooled you, one of those is my birthday :)
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The gods are supposed to have a more palpable presence in the character's lives.
This is one of the reason I am so opposed to atheism in game.
I play my char according to settings. Diabolis are hurt by holy items, and hence my char was an atheist. I could choose this option at character creation. Now, I am apposed to atheism in game, too. It does not make much sense anymore. The only possiblity is to question the divinity, but not the existence of the so-called gods. I am not sure if this can be called atheism.
For those of you who are upset by this and telling the leader of the settings team that this action was damaging to the game I ask you: are you really in a position to determine for me how the settings work?
No. You are the boss. Actually I mainly asked about how the settings should work in that case. At the moment I am trying to answer my own questions by using common sense and trying to play my character according to settings. I am struggling a lot though. I am still surprised that noone else has this problem.
What is the real crux of your argument?
Roleplaying according to settings concerning Xiosia now is more difficult. The motivations of the event were unclear (until now, you explained it above with 'The gods are supposed to have a more palpable presence in the character's lives.').
What is it that you find so bad about a god showing up?
It forces me to abruptly change my characters view of the world I built up for a long time.
Did xiosia tread on your idea of the world?
Yes.
This was solely my responsibility.
Do not blame gms or other devs, blame xillix.
Will do. I appreciate your explanations and motivations and that you ask for feedback, Xillix. Thank you.
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The manner in which your character's life was complicated should be a GOOD thing for you as a developing character forced (like in real life) to adapt to a changing world and grant you more role play possibilities. Arguments with atheists should be a bit more lively now.
As for follow up events . . . stay tuned . . . (btw I make a prediction here: some people will not like the events, they will be very vocal about them, some will pout, some will threaten to quit the game, and some will just have a good time. The community complains when nothing happens and it complains when anything happens, it is getting harder and harder to take complaints seriously for me.)
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The manner in which your character's life was complicated should be a GOOD thing for you as a developing character forced (like in real life) to adapt to a changing world and grant you more role play possibilities. Arguments with atheists should be a bit more lively now.
Currently acting, responding, adapting. And yes, it is lively, although I still wonder why almost noone ICly thinks those events are an outstanding change of the world (those who followed Xiosia before excluded).
(No more complains from me, I think I posted them all here already.)
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I play my char according to settings. Diabolis are hurt by holy items, and hence my char was an atheist. I could choose this option at character creation. Now, I am apposed to atheism in game, too. It does not make much sense anymore. The only possiblity is to question the divinity, but not the existence of the so-called gods. I am not sure if this can be called atheism.
On the contrary, you obviously didn't read the description of 'Atheism' when you picked it in character creation.
Let me refresh your memory-
"Despite the obvious presence of Gods and Godesses throughout Yliakum, some deny that these beings are worthy of worship. Most people consider atheists foolish at best and a condemned object of pity at worst. Atheists will bear the worst effects of the penalty for dying since no god will grant them succor from it"
The definition of IRL atheism has never had anything to do with planeshift atheism.
Seriously dude how the hell did you manage to make it through 2 years of the game without learning this? XD
On a final note, I find it hard to believe your character has never died in those 2 years. Atheist dead = permadeath, no second chances
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Atheists will bear the worst effects of the penalty for dying since no god will grant them succor from it"
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Atheist dead = permadeath, no second chances
Sorry for :offtopic:
I personally don't read it as permadeath - for me it sounds like Atheists have to bear the full effect of Dakkru's curse
Sen
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I won't argue with you, Xillix. On one hand, because I feel easily narrowed when it comes to that. On the other hand, because public criticizm is not allowed for staff. I will just write a few questions here. No matter if you will answer them or not, they shall just express my doubts, and my sorrows how this all is currently "developing"... Being still in contact with people who already left PlaneShift, or expressed doubts already, my point of view may have a different angle than yours.
- Once we have been proud that PlaneShift was a game where roleplaying was preferred, a cooperative community supported. Is this still the case, or did the "roleplaying support" turn into just an advertizing slogan?
- How much do developers know about the structure of Yliakum's people? Do they know any guilds without querying a database? Can they separate them by purpose, age, activity, renown?
- How much time spend developers playing? How many characters do they play rather regularly?
- How important are players as owners of characters with a virtual life? With a purely technical view - are those players more "valuable" who limit their activities to using the game mechanics only, and are merely "freelance testers"?
- If atheism is not welcome, why are people punished in the character creation with a removal of character points when chosing any religion, except atheism?
- Is the Settings department the only authority over the game rules, with a kind of "jester's license", or is Luca Pancallo still the person with the last decision?
- How many different people are involved before an event like a house auction is decided, planned, and started? How many were asked for their opinions before a decision was made?
- What is the most useful way to get in contact with the people who are responsible for this game, to get opinions shared?
As I already mentioned, I don't expect answers in this thread. But I expect the development team to realise that such kind of doubts are dangerous, regarding "public relations".
I like to take part in the development. I like to help *us* fixing bugs and other issues. But first and foremost, I like to play the game. With my friends. And I hate losing any of them.
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On a final note, I find it hard to believe your character has never died in those 2 years. Atheist dead = permadeath, no second chances
This is complete nonsense. Seriously dude. ;)
/me bites on another lemon.
I expect the development team to realise that such kind of doubts are dangerous, regarding "public relations".
I like to take part in the development. I like to help *us* fixing bugs and other issues. But first and foremost, I like to play the game. With my friends. And I hate losing any of them.
Yes, that drives me nuts as well.
Regarding public relations: It seems apparent that having the devs do such public relations isn't benefiting neither the devs nor the players.
Players will unavoidably get eventually disappointed, when one is not the other will be and vice versa, can't make everybody happy.
And the devs certainly do have enough work to do improving the game to spend their time reading to our complains.
We've seen Karyuu growing bitter, we've seen Xillix growing bitter. Perhaps somebody else other than the devs should be indeed doing the public relations before stuff like this happens.
btw I make a prediction here: some people will not like the events, they will be very vocal about them, some will pout, some will threaten to quit the game, and some will just have a good time. The community complains when nothing happens and it complains when anything happens, it is getting harder and harder to take complaints seriously for me.)
Let the devs work in the game (which is what they do best) and have somebody else with a lot of patience do most of the dealing with the players.
I assume being a troll myself most of the time, but there is no reason why there shouldn't be somebody else trained to deal with people like me. ;)
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I think Laanx should have smitten Xiosia who dared to intrude into "Laanx's city" and tried (with success) to bribe the citizen with shiny gifts to follow her "religion of nature". Xiosia gave glyphs too, yet I would have believed that those are rather gifts Talad would make. Xiosia gave a house, something I would believe the Octarch to give as a gift but not the godess of nature... I would even dare to say that those who follow "the way of nature" may happily live in the nature, as natural as possible - balanced and in unison with the nature.
Did those who got gifts actually have Xiosia faction points? (I am still very pro quests wipe.)
Maybe it would actually be interesting to see two gods at once.. them interacting with people and with each another. Just PLEASE don't chose any day with real-life relevance the next time!
And this is what I want to share too: (from IRC)
[21:14:01] XilliX [n=IceChat7@planeshift/setting/leader/xillix] joined the channel
[21:14:18] <XilliX> Arerano_Areramau I want to know what the core of your argument against the xiosia event is
[21:14:31] <XilliX> I want to understand why you think it was so bad
[22:07:34] <Arerano_Areramau> in short: you made a good example concerning 'mixing IC and OOC' being perfectly fine by having "X-mas" be "Xiosia-mas". Such real-life-occasions should not influence IC things rather even be be the "most normal IC days" of all.
[22:10:01] <Arerano_Areramau> To stress that IC and OOC must not be mixed at all. As if there aren't enough players who don't understand (or care) about this.
[22:12:19] <Arerano_Areramau> but that's a mere fraction anyway.
[22:15:39] <Vonoff> you should highlight his name, Arerano_Areramau
[22:17:25] <Arerano_Areramau> instead of highlighting my name and telling me to highlight his name, you could have done it directly. :P
[22:17:33] Arerano_Areramau highlights XilliX
[22:20:32] <XilliX> I don't think I did that at all
[22:20:49] <XilliX> just because it happened on christmas doesn't mean it was christmas in game
[22:20:57] <XilliX> I did not call it xiosiamass
[22:21:05] <XilliX> and I didn't have a beard and a red suit
[22:21:28] <Arerano_Areramau> ok, even if you did not call it that, it still proves that people associate it with "christmas".
[22:21:42] <XilliX> I think you bring the OOC into the event
[22:21:42] <XilliX> by saying such things
[22:22:26] <XilliX> I don't find that to be the case really. Players are responsible for separating OOC and IC
[22:22:49] <XilliX> the only thing that happened IC is xiosia showed up and gave some wishes to people
[22:23:05] <XilliX> and the event was rped
[22:23:12] <XilliX> and it was a real event
[22:23:15] <XilliX> in settings
[22:23:28] <XilliX> it should open oppourtunities for roleplay
[22:23:33] <XilliX> not shut them down
[22:24:01] <XilliX> I expect a surge in xiosia worship
[22:24:06] <XilliX> which is good for the game
[22:24:25] <XilliX> everyone running around worshipping no one is OOC as all hell
[22:24:38] <XilliX> that is people bringing out of game beliefs into play
[22:25:31] <XilliX> I see you consider yourself an rp purist
[22:25:34] <XilliX> and that is great!
[22:25:44] <XilliX> I am not without experience with rp
[22:25:47] <XilliX> ;)
[22:25:55] <Arerano_Areramau> it's ridiculous to say "it just happened on christmas and not because it was christmas".
[22:26:04] <XilliX> why so?
[22:26:21] <XilliX> it did happen because it was christmas
[22:26:25] <XilliX> but I don't see the harm
[22:26:28] <XilliX> at all
[22:26:34] <XilliX> it wasn't christmas in game
[22:26:44] <Arerano_Areramau> but Xiosiamas.
[22:26:46] <XilliX> at no point did I say "ho ho ho"
[22:27:03] <XilliX> Arerano_Areramau it was not Xiosiamas either
[22:27:11] <XilliX> that is some cute name someone said
[22:27:15] <Arerano_Areramau> players made it "Xiosiamas"
[22:27:22] <XilliX> why get distraught by that?
[22:27:44] <Arerano_Areramau> you say it does no harm, yes, it does, for those with lesser understanding of the IC/OOC differences MIX IT UP
[22:29:06] <Arerano_Areramau> and they think it's fine too.
[22:29:52] <XilliX> Arerano_Areramau teach them
[22:30:17] <XilliX> it really isn't a harm, it is a chance to learn
[22:30:44] <XilliX> Arerano_Areramau if you have ever played DnD ooc/ic shit gets mixed up ALL THE TIME
[22:30:50] <XilliX> it is impossible to police
[22:31:06] <XilliX> the best to hope for is honest effort to separate the two
[22:31:45] <Arerano_Areramau> impossible to police indeed, but that doesn't mean that one has to "support" the mixing up.
[22:31:57] <XilliX> I don't support the mixing it up
[22:32:10] <XilliX> I do support doing something nice for christmas
[22:32:13] <XilliX> :)
[22:37:55] <Arerano_Areramau> Well, maybe we can have turkeys for thanksgiving in planeshift and it wouldn't be "taking OOC into IC" unless we call it thanksgiving in-game because IC this can be just any day of the year.
[22:42:16] <XilliX> Kikiri Arerano_Areramau
[22:42:18] <XilliX> kikiri
[22:42:48] <Arerano_Areramau> and only those who say "hey, that's taking OOC into the game", actually do take OOC to IC.
[22:43:19] <XilliX> you seem just sooooo mad about it
[22:43:25] <XilliX> and I just don't get it
[22:43:43] <XilliX> let it go, don't be a scrooge about it.
[22:44:07] <Arerano_Areramau> as said, that's only a fraction anyway.
[22:45:10] <XilliX> A fraction of what?
[22:48:40] <XilliX> http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34441.30 I made a second post just for you
[22:48:52] XilliX [n=IceChat7@planeshift/setting/leader/xillix] left the channel
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Of course we mourn if nothing happens.
But even more we mourn when anything happens just for the purpose that anything happens. And when it looks like not many opinions were shared before. That sounds like defiance, not like development...
I like to talk with Kerol and Underthemoon. I often realised that they are able to think a few steps further than me. And imagine, Gag Harmond is ambassador... how ridiculous.
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Currently acting, responding, adapting. And yes, it is lively, although I still wonder why almost noone ICly thinks those events are an outstanding change of the world (those who followed Xiosia before excluded).
(No more complains from me, I think I posted them all here already.)
I take the setting as it comes and evolves, and Khoridor will evolve with it.
I think he will simply deny the event as being the deeds of Xaosia, I mean the real Xaosia. He doesn't need to see the gods to believe in them, but a god of nature who gives houses and makes master crafters must be an impostor. In short, that will be a source of polemics in game, as anything always is when the supernatural is involved. And maybe one day Khoridor will be convinced otherwise.
So, yes, it's a change, but I wouldn't call it outstanding. Not yet. Unless I witness active proselytism in the future.
The event was an efficient way to put Xiosia on the map. Its RL date is irrelevant in game, yet relevant for the players who celebrate something and enjoy gifts.
Now let the poets and bards spread the news.
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I get soooo tired of everyone trying to cram settings down my throat... but now when something happens... people are actively trying to avoid it or claim it didn't happen out of protest. This was a settings sanctioned event, therefore it DID happen... regardless of your personal feelings about it.
As to the PR and such... I've said the same things for a while now. There is not a lot of communication between the community and the devs (exceptions like Xillix, Caarrie, and a few others do exist on the dev side of the house). However, the community is like a pack of wolves whenever they don't like something. It would be one thing if the community said they didn't like something and gave constructive feedback... but look at this thread, or the house auction thread... it is complete and total BS. Everything from threats of leaving to lamenting the loss of any kind of respect for players. You criticize lack of events, you criticize and nitpick each event... the devs can't win for losing here.
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I do not understand how in the heck it is that anyone can even suggest that we are any less a supportive roleplaying environment in the last years.
The gm team is stocked with rpers.
The settings team is stocked with rpers.
The dev team is stocked with rpers.
I do not understand how in the heck it is that anyone can say that I have not been patient . . .
We are talking about years of insults.
We are talking about people threatening to quit over all manner of things.
We are talking about being asked to mitigate what amounts to open warfare between plers and rpers.
I do not understand how THIS EVENT can be anything other than a chance for people to roleplay a new development in the world.
I don't understand why anyone would quit over such a thing. I really just have no idea.
Arerano- maybe the fact that Laanx didn't react when a tree sprouted up in the garden in "her" city says something about her presence . . . maybe in fact YOU should reread the settings. Whose city was it first? This should open doors for rp, not close them.
Broad resistance to change is and will always be an enemy to development IC and OOC.
Last of all I am not offended by any of this, my response more and more is one of resignation and apathy.
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I play my char according to settings. Diabolis are hurt by holy items, and hence my char was an atheist. I could choose this option at character creation. Now, I am apposed to atheism in game, too. It does not make much sense anymore. The only possiblity is to question the divinity, but not the existence of the so-called gods. I am not sure if this can be called atheism.
On the contrary, you obviously didn't read the description of 'Atheism' when you picked it in character creation.
Let me refresh your memory-
"Despite the obvious presence of Gods and Godesses throughout Yliakum, some deny that these beings are worthy of worship. Most people consider atheists foolish at best and a condemned object of pity at worst. Atheists will bear the worst effects of the penalty for dying since no god will grant them succor from it"
The definition of IRL atheism has never had anything to do with planeshift atheism.
Seriously dude how the hell did you manage to make it through 2 years of the game without learning this? XD
On a final note, I find it hard to believe your character has never died in those 2 years. Atheist dead = permadeath, no second chances
Agreeing with Lhaa here: 'Worst effect of the penalty' unequals 'permadeath'
Thanks for bringing up the debate again: Using the same term for a different thing in game is a bad idea. Although it does not describe it perfectly, I propose 'Agnosticism' instead.
You ask me about how I roleplayed my char? His whole background he has now is the result of interaction with other characters. And the invisibility of gods fitted perfectly to the denial of gods (sorry that I took the freedom of deviating from something the character creation proposed). Until now. If you really are interested how that works, I can tell you more about it OOCly, but this would need more time and space I want to invest right now. Especially since your post does not sound as if you really care.
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The point I did wonder about that event was, on one hand what Arerano tried to explain: too much of a coincidence to not take it OOC-influenced.
On the other hand there were loads of discussions about gods, and it was stated gods will never ever contact the living directly. People would believe in gods for they 'know' about their existence for some reason, which ever one this would be (rumors, tales and legends I suppose). Now all of a sudden Xiosia, one apparently to be considered a "minor goddess" roams incarnated as a dermorian woman.
Seconding, Laanx tolerated her to do so? In midst of (one of) her major cities? Consequently, no one ever witnessed Laanx taking actions, but now some goddess Xiosia came down to bring all benefit - why shouldnt everyone turn a Xiosia-believer, forgetting about that Laanx who was never actually seen herself?
I wasnt around on new year's night, only read about Xiosia popped up once more - was there some explanation brought up that I missed?
Merely provoking: Will the Laanx statue be replaced by one representing Xiosia, the one who showed much (or say more) love to all the citizend in range?
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The entire Xacha race was saved by Laanx, as opposed to a goddess simply coming in and showering the unworthy with gifts of their choosing. I can see a religious debate/war starting ingame, but of course that won't happen since apparently they're all fine and dandy with each other (the gods).
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The entire Xacha race was saved by Laanx
Unless the Setting changed about this point, YOU do know it might have happened like this, but ICly this would only have been transported as legends, not as a fact.
Jesus revived, how much of a fact is this? The same time someone makes you a champion race car driver - which would have more impact on you, Skrein, the legend, your believe that is, or that guy to have brought you a miracle?
I am not about starting any war or argument, just curious about hows it fitting in after all which was stated in the past.
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So many assumptions . . .
The gods are not fine and dandy with each other and there really isn't evidence to suggest that they are.
What do you want?
A battle royale among the gods?
A steel cage match to see who rules Hydlaa?
How individuals and in game organizations respond to this event is entirely up to you, the players.
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Wow you guys have totally redefined the word carebear.
Silly RP carebears, people think RPers are an endangered species when they are the ones who don't want to RP against the radical settings.
Go get your gun XilliX, let us go big game hunting for carebears now.
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lol!
I was trying to sort how this would fit into the things I gathered about the Setting so far - I wasnt meaning to step on anyone's toes!xD
Really, forget it, I do.
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I don't see much need to carry on with this thread.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
Happy New Year to all.