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Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Mouli on December 25, 2008, 05:48:38 pm
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I play ps every days for 2 years and half... but the last GM event i was in was one year ago maybe more !
and I was morphed in clackers nothing extraodinary like the Xmass event you did last night !
You dont want to sell us house cheaper but you gave gifts like house or you maxed two magical ways !
- as i remember i never had house for Xmass
and what is maxing skills if not spoiling... and its unfair for the one who maxed themself their skills...
My questions are :
Why GM event are everytime in USA timezone ?
Is Xmass only for americans ?
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Indeed!
I am so sad.. sad for the new playes that can hardly run for 30 seconds but now they are maxed in magic... even 2 magic ways...
This is spoiling and i can write it again with caps "SPOILERS!".
I am agree of giving material things like special Glyphs, weapons but not skills! and specially not combat skills such any weapon use or magic or crafting, takes so long and so many hours mining for tria that is also very unfair for all the rest of us.
Also my questions are:
Why GM event are everytime in USA timezone ?
and is Xmass only for americans ?
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The roleplayers' prayers have been answered...
...Now get back to mining. Nothing to see here.
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To reward players logged on when Europe was opening presents with family. To reward guildhouses free when guilds have just finished paying 10-12 mill trias, To reward players with maxing of ways like Blue way or Brown way when players spent months doing such...Is a discrace !! I cannot understand this. Its clearly either plain madness or "Spoliers".
And at a time when knowone but Americans would benefit.
Madness!!
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Two of my guild members are thinking of leaving the game now.
And yes- I benefited from the event- to help my Guild!
Because we just bought a house TWO DAYS AGO and are deep in debt! And two were given away last night!? (That I know about!?)
(but for the record, I'm an American and I was up at 2:30 am by the time my name was called)
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Life is not fair. Be happy about it. (seriously, think about that for a bit.)
The reason for this is often that the GMs or Devs who have a little bit of time to put on events are in the USA, and often in the evening after we are done with the day's work. In this case, it was just a single Dev (that I know of) staying up way past his bedtime to give out some virtual gifts.
Be happy for people, not full of envy or weep at the unfairness of the world.
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The goddess Xiosia walked up at the plaza, appearing as a person?
She gathered people to fulfill wishes?
Like good old Santa gathers children to hand out presents?
Just like that? This is the entire story?
LOL!
The house auction, now this.. whats next? ufos? xD
But seriously now.. this didnt happen, right? This is a poor joke, right! :o
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Tell that to my imaginary millions that will continue to be imaginary because I don't have to max my magic level now. :sorcerer:
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Well You're right UTM
but any exemple of gifts they gave last night :
two of my guildies maxed two ways and get a water glyph ( one of them two cant cross hydlaa without resting she is very new)
some get maxed their crafting skills all ( knife, sword, axe making and blacksmithing )
a house maybe two ( i hope it was for a RPer guild but not sure)
Congrats again to the lucky winners ! and thanks to the Gm or dev who made that event
I think Rakshak is right !
PS is not dying. It's being killed.
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/me mumbles some words silently.
Yes, one can overdo just everything. :S
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Even on Christmas everyone complains. I think there is no way to make the people who play this game happy!! How sad.
No wonder I wish I had my old friends back.
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( i hope it was for a RPer guild but not sure)
The house went to an RP guild, yes.
How fair or meaningful it was? *shrugs* GM events' rewards never were meaningful, i don't see what's new, aside of the proportions of the gifts, which could have probably toned down pretty much.
Else, nothing changed.the last GM event i was in was one year ago maybe more !
and I was morphed in clackers nothing extraodinary like the Xmass event you did last night !
My point, nothing changed. ;)
Sadly, as soon as I logged in today two very good RPers told me they are quitting the game.
This may be (yet another) signal that something's not being done the right way. Or perhaps it is that the team doesn't care about those kind of players.
Certainly it's not me who has to answer to that.
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you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
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I think there is no way to make the people who play this game happy!! How sad.
I spent months training! to be able to make swords you know how hard and slow is it, and then someone get it for free, this is not other than killing the game, i dont know why the team want the old players out of the game.
this is my first time complaining about something, and i come be cause i am losing my frieds, is there any conspiration against us?... dont know but day by day new silly things are happening.
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Caarrie, it's the complain department, people comes here to complain. ;)
The mandatory reply "join the team" doesn't help this thread either.
We know it's hard to be in their steed (did anybody deny that at all?). Maybe some of the players don't feel ready for it.
But the current GMs/devs applied for it and ought to be.
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I forgot to add that I am happy for the people who received stuff, what I quite dislike is the "story" this event was wrapped in.
Once it was said gods will never interact with people directly, needless to say regarding this, Xiosia walking as a dermorian llike a poor Santa-clone is pretty much nonsense, no?
Spawning houses without any reason but merely backed up by "gods can do everything"?
Sadly I remember UtM's awesome eclipse plot, astonishingly complex, innovative and deep, original! Devs, bring back stuff like this, please!
Caarrie's remark about people had to join may be much more important than ever, hence I want to emphasize: People, apply for the Setting team, obviously they need it more than ever!
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Caarrie's remark about people had to join may be much more important than ever, hence I want to emphasize: People, apply for the Setting team, obviously they need it more than ever!
settings is only one part of events the GM team [not the settings team] runs more events for fun then the settings team and requires less time overall imo.
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To stay ontopic, the complaint about only americans or only europeans tends to be arisen by the one and other side alternatively. Ignoring the higher rewards this time, but the timezone problem is not really new.
Sen
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Regarding timezones, it's unavoidable.
Whoever was there will have enjoyed or not (like any other event) and the ones who weren't will complain that they couldn't enjoy or not.
Can't have a GM online for 24 hours running the same event... unless the event is repeated ;)
I don't see why europeans (and I am one...) deserve it more than americans, should any of the two sides deserve what was granted, which is discussable.
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you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
Actually, maxing people's skills is allowing them to fly without walking, like so many people do. The guild house I can see. Sure. That sucks for the guilds that paid, but then - they could afford to (or wanted to). But to have some have the challenges taken away that others feel that they earned - with good reason - is outright,shameless twinking.
People invest sometimes hundreds of hours into a character just to have that cheapened by GMs who give away abilities for free. And you don't expect people to be, at the least, disturbed? The only defense is, 'apply to the settings team and walk a month in their shoes'? Is this a recruitment attempt?
I think people have a right to be upset about the outright twinking. Special items, sure. That's cool. Cheapening the efforts of people who have invested a lot of time? Bad. Choose to acknowledge that or not - the fact remains.
Awaiting comment deletion/thread lock. If people can't post that here, perhaps they'll post it on blogs. How that works toward the project's goals evades my simple mind.
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Does it really matter, though? Everything is going to be wiped eventually, regardless of how much time you did or didn't put into your game/character. Less QQ, more test.
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Server wipe eventually is inevitable. Do you think people Grind knowing this? No.. They grind because they want to progress with their peers. Time and time again I hear woes of friends long since gone. Leaving behind those who feel alone & somewhat cynical towards the next generation.
Im sure in the past things of this magnitude have occurred. And im sure someone will post here pointing out such an instance. Yes we are all here to test this product. In the same way GM's/Devs are here to Police & progress this unique game.
A game ? Just a game ? Not to everyone it isnt. An alter ego that has had time invested in its progression.
What happened this morning flys in the face of this. Noobs given skills/gifts some players took months/years to achieve. Its a bloody discrace !!
I for one cannot believe it. And to try and justify it by insulting those who've worked so hard....pisses me off !!
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you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
I am ready to walk into the shoes of a GM. Please make me GM for a month \\o//
I personally did not take part in that event because 1) I am not happy with the way things are working, so I boycotted the gift-doling ceremony; and 2) having played PS for few years, I have begun to like the grinding. Perhaps my wish would have been to make things even harder, so at least I can enjoy few more years of grinding.
And yes, Christmas is for Americans, only Americans. Anybody who thinks I'm wrong please come to America and I'll show you. Mouli, despite the GMs and devs coming from around the world, somehow you've been missing such events because you are not in America. For years. Now please suggest to the dev/GM team how to fix it. Unless you make it in clear writing, nobody will understand.
Take home message: "GM/dev team should rotate the random events among different timezones"
Details (Because I know someone would say "you didn't ask properly, or didn't offer constructive suggestions, or your suggestions were not specific enough):
What was the starting time of last RP event? say xx GMT.
Designate next event as xx+6 GMT (6 is only an example, you could also use 4, 5 or 4.5*76-87 or whatever you like)
This way events will get relatively well-distributed among timezones. At least people can be a part of them without being up all night.
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you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
I am ready to walk into the shoes of a GM. Please make me GM for a month \\o//
if you are serious about this then take a look at http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=23067.0 and good luck making the team then you will see how hard it is to be a gm yet throw an event at any time you wish to.
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( i hope it was for a RPer guild but not sure)
The house went to an RP guild, yes.
What is an RP guild? Aren't we all supposed to RP? Including the GMs, devs, testers, players et al? If you accept there are guilds that don't RP, then it's admission of defeat for PS project.
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Well, there are. Plenty.
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I was wondering how long it would take for the complaints of "I never got anything!" to roll in. The only thing I have against the event is that the people who expect everything to get handing out evenly would not let this slide. I'm sorry but if you have invested so much time in this GAME that this becomes a major issue, you should probably invest less time and or effort into it. It's not like you need a high level in any Way to play the game.
If you invested time in getting a high level in a way, cheer up, you now have bragging rights. You did it through determination. :thumbup: Give it time, another event just as nice will come along, providing you don't discourage the GMs from doing another event like this. Consider that you may be taking the chance to get the same rewards away from yourself. :oops:
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Everyone's definition of 'fair' and what is a 'disgrace' is very much different. I don't think that is is 'fair' that I would have had to spend my few hours of play time a week grinding steady for about five years doing something I hate just to get the character I want to play the role of. I find this thread complaining that some people 'got ahead' of others to be the disgrace in that people will whine and complain whenever they think someone else is getting more than them.
I, for one, never feel bad when someone is given something more. That gives them more time to do more worthwhile things. Honestly, if I spent a year leveling up and three weeks grinding to get a guildhouse, then one was just given away the next day, I would not bitch and complain about it. I would slap the lucky guy on the back and say "Thank GOD you did not have to go through the same crap I did."
Some people want to take the elevator. Others are proud to say they took the stairs. Some even get dropped off by helicopter. But in the end, when all things come together, the view from the top is still the same.
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philosophically your correct. IN reality your opinion has no merit
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I feel sorry for your reality, then. Envy and jealousy are nasty things to have to live with.
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I don't have any idea what is going on. Someone's been having a merry Christmas they probably won't remember...
But really now, people spend hours and hours working to become a powerful mage, a great warrior, an esteemed craftsman. People spend day in and day out working toward a guild house. Other people log into planeshift for the first time ever, and find a mad goddess maxing their stats and giving them unimaginable fortunes in the form of valuable government owned real estate? Wonderful.
you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
I'd love to help the team, sign me up... oh wait... i'm old enough to vote, get married, play with firework, fight and die in a war (if i so choose).... but as for being a GM for planeshift, still to young. Would love to help, just can't.
Does it really matter, though? Everything is going to be wiped eventually, regardless of how much time you did or didn't put into your game/character. Less QQ, more test.
Obviously it does matter, or people wouldn't be reading this.
Everyone's definition of 'fair' and what is a 'disgrace' is very much different. I don't think that is is 'fair' that I would have had to spend my few hours of play time a week grinding steady for about five years doing something I hate just to get the character I want to play the role of. I find this thread complaining that some people 'got ahead' of others to be the disgrace in that people will whine and complain whenever they think someone else is getting more than them.
I, for one, never feel bad when someone is given something more. That gives them more time to do more worthwhile things. Honestly, if I spent a year leveling up and three weeks grinding to get a guildhouse, then one was just given away the next day, I would not bitch and complain about it. I would slap the lucky guy on the back and say "Thank GOD you did not have to go through the same crap I did."
Some people want to take the elevator. Others are proud to say they took the stairs. Some even get dropped off by helicopter. But in the end, when all things come together, the view from the top is still the same.
You have my total respect, Utm, however I have to disagree. It seems to me that you don't think it matters if the event was fair or not, but come on, this is a game! Don't you have enough unfairness in real life? For many people the competitive nature of gaming is very enjoyable (yes i realize roleplaying doesn't require being competitive), and in order for competition to be fun it has to be fair. Telling a guild that raised 6 million trias for an auction they aren't allowed to bid, and then a few days later giving away the unsold house for free to another guild isn't fair. I can get over that however, if there was something they did to earn/win/deserve the house besides being in the right place at the right time. I don't know all of the guilds that got houses, or all of the people that had stats raised, but I know one of the free houses (no less the exact house the guild with 6 mill wanted to buy) was given to a guild that I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD OF IN 10 MONTHS OF PLANESHIFT before last week.
I love the elevator and stairs analogy, but with all due respect, I'll be taking the emergency exit.
Unfortunately (and fortunately) I like a lot of the people I've met in planeshift, so i'll still be around to chat. As for leveling... or playing the game... i guess it doesn't matter, I'll just make sure to spend next Christmas with harnquist instead of my family.
[edit]: After talking to someone in game, i'm informed that the guild recieving a free house is, in fact, a brand new guild.
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you want to see better and more gm events apply to the gm team stop making threads like this telling them you dont liike what they are doing till you have walked a month in their shoes. Threads like this will not help you get anything changed unless you help the team.
I'd love to help the team, sign me up... oh wait... i'm old enough to vote, get married, play with firework, fight and die in a war (if i so choose).... but as for being a GM for planeshift, still to young. Would love to help, just can't.
There are other teams you can join that have lower age limits [as low as 18].
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I am honestly finding it pathetic that people are quitting over this. Why? Well, I'll ask you a few simple questions.
How is this going to change how you play?
Is the guildhouse they gave away going to block your path so you can't take your shortcut anymore?
Are the free levels going to make your training cost more?
Is someone else having higher levels in an instant rather than over three weeks of PLing going to change the way you play your chosen role?
Does this change how you would play AT ALL?
Get a grip.
You are all seriously starting to sound like my 3 and 5 year old nephews when they come over and start arguing over who gets the bigger piece, who has the first turn with the toy, or -worst of all- when one complains that the other got a different toy as a present. Well, guess what? The one who does not fight, cry and complain gets the bigger piece. The other other has a time out.
Enjoy what you have. You would not be playing PS if you did not enjoy some of it. If you want to throw that away in some lame and silly 'taking a stand' against 'unfairness', be my guest. You are not punishing me or others who keep playing, as I will still be here enjoying PS in my own way, as will many many others who don't care who got a free cookie by being the 1000th visitor to the store. The only ones you will be punishing are your friends and yourself.
As for 'fair' and everyone having the same opportunity and having to do the same exact thing and get the same exact virtual crap, you can keep it. 'Fair' is a static game where no one can 'get ahead', no one can become something that everyone else can't be. In a 'fair' game, you don't matter. I would rather play an unfair game.
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philosophically your correct. IN reality your opinion has no merit
I feel sorry for your reality, then. Envy and jealousy are nasty things to have to live with.
I am honestly finding it pathetic that people are quitting over this
Growing discontent over time
The distance between PS team and players/testers is widening. There are differences that are not settled even after years has elapsed in development.
Mismatch of expectations
If players are whining about something, the PS team needs to listen up, or risk losing them. Similarly, if the PS team apparently continues to take the same decisions players don't like, it means players are not able to get their points through. Maybe either they don't speak it at all, or they don't speak it well. One more possibility is thread locking and deletion, I'd not touch on that territory here.
This particular case
If Mouli has decided to raise an issue in the complaints department, there must be a reason for him to do so. Instead of trying to label him as a crybaby, there should be an honest attempt to read his mind. Why does he think he didn't receive his fair share? Why does he feel ignored because he doesn't live in America? Some of it is fairly easy to do - just find out all the "random events" that have happened so far and notice their timings. As simple as that.
Is someone going to do it?
Looking for solutions
While players should understand that if there are no developers or GMs, there would be no PS; the Developer+GM team should also understand that if there are no players there would be no PS. The onus lies on both of them.
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All of that was explained ingame. Sorry to those who didn't get anything, congrats to those who got something.
Thanks to UtM and Caarrie I think everything relevant is said. If you feel mistreated for another unmentioned reason you feel is important you can contact me on IRC or via forum pm.
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This was definitely done during a timezone more friendly to Europe than the Americas.
Don't be sad because you missed out, be happy for those who got to see the goddess. . .