PlaneShift
Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Medario on December 29, 2008, 07:04:31 pm
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ok im just gone crazy!
why must trying to revive and go back to normal world be so hard (after u died)
i've quit the game 2 times now because of death realm so could u plz remove it , or at . least make it easier :@#\ :@#\ :@#\ :@#\
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Make it easier: No.
Remove it: No.
Death is supposed to be hard, else what would be the point of dying? If you can't find your way out on your own (which isn't that hard anyway), you could always ask another player! People are dying on a regular basis so you're never alone there.
In the future coming back from the dead will only be harder, too.
Have fun, talk to people, roleplay, try to not die :)
And it's very possible that you feel this game has a too harsh death penalty. Perhaps this just isn't your game then, we can't suit everybody.
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i know but i've made to accounts ( not characters) and i've maxed out the characters like i ca't make anymore ad the reason for that is they're all stuck in death realm
btw this is my type of game..i love everything in it except for death realm casuedeath realm pretty much took it all away from me ??? :'( >:(
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They're not "stuck" in the Death Realm. There is a path in that world, follow it and you will get out.
And again, ask people who are in there as well ;)
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i know but the reason because i can't get out is because its too dark!!! even with the help of people i can't see were im going even with the brightness at 3.1 and a torch in my hand
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That's very odd. Try turning up the brightness of your monitor to the max as well as the in-game brightness. You can also try running your PlaneShift client with the --fulbright parameter. (Properties of the shorcut, add "--fulbright" after the target (direction to psclient.exe) of the shorcut)
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Yep, the brightness in game will not brighten on maps that do not allow for it. If you can brighten your monitor settings, try that, otherwise try straight from your video card. If you have Nvidia, there should be a control panel from them that lets you adjust the brightness or gamma for your whole PC. If you are on Windows, you can get to it by Control Panel --> Display --> [Tab] Settings --> Advanced. For Linux, I've installed the drivers from Nvidia's website to get the control panel, but not sure how to do it in another way. ATI should have something similar with the drivers installed. On a laptop, I have seen some adjustments for their basic video driver under the Display Settings, too.
Once you get through the Death Realm once, it is much easier the next 250 times. And yep, the DR has some good reasons to go down there, so it isn't always a big punishment, can be fun.
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That's very odd. Try turning up the brightness of your monitor to the max as well as the in-game brightness. You can also try running your PlaneShift client with the --fulbright parameter. (Properties of the shorcut, add "--fulbright" after the target (direction to psclient.exe) of the shorcut)
dr map is lighter2 thom so --fullbright has no effect ;) same with all the other maps.
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I don't really get why it's called a lighter when it does very little lighting. I think, in truth, you guys need to admit that the game is too dark. :/
I mean, it'll be 12 pm in Hydlaa and there are still so many shadows and whatnot that it's near impossible to see. With the sun always being right overtop of us, I don't see why there would be this many shadows aside from the tiny little circles produced by, say, trees, below them or something. If I need to use brightness correction about 6 times, the game is just way too dark. The capabilities are there to make it brighter, so please, use them.
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Just out of interest, can you upload one or two screenshots of how it typically looks for you?
Sen
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That's very odd. Try turning up the brightness of your monitor to the max as well as the in-game brightness. You can also try running your PlaneShift client with the --fulbright parameter. (Properties of the shorcut, add "--fulbright" after the target (direction to psclient.exe) of the shorcut)
dr map is lighter2 thom so --fullbright has no effect ;) same with all the other maps.
Ah yes, I forgot. Brightness is the only way then. However, it shouldn't be that dark anyway. Updating your drivers may help as well.
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Brightness correction doesn't work in the Death Realm, either.
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I admit it, the game is too dark.
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as some can tell you the game is plenty bright, it all depends on your screen and your graphics card and drivers nothing we can do if you have sub-par equipment.
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:oops: Sorry about that. :@#\
The death realm isn't that hard actually. Follow someone or look around. My first time I just happened to find it pretty quick. Once you do it will be easy from then on and only take about 2 minutes to get through.
As far as the dark issue, if you can not see because of computer issues like that file a petition or ask in help. A gm will move you for that reason as soon as they get a chance. You don't have to be stuck down there forever just because you can't see to get out.
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I never found getting out of the Dr too hard, sounds more like a driver issue. I can not use the driver that came with my computer (bought in October) and windows said the driver was up to date... but lo and behold, I Dled the newest driver from the Vid card's web site and viole! it worked much better.
Would it be nice if game worked perfectly with all cards and all equipement all of the time, sure. But with a beta game with 100% volunteer workforce, you might need to make sure your video card drivers are working with it. I also heard some need to use older drivers, so if most recent dont work, try a previous release?
Need a large paid support team to do more than give you advice (such as you see in this thread), maybe you need a game you pay for. I bet WOW has several people who work solely on making it look good on any hardware/driver combo imaginable.
The fact you have 8 characters in the DR is depressing, but try the drivers (it helps the game experience if you get them working, not just DR). then I would take a screenshot of you, preferably with someone nearby, so we can see if you can see. Note it IS darker there. I also would put away the torch, makes it harder for me to see. Maybe it is me, but seems to light up my toes and everything else gets darker. looks cool though, but not like a magical search beacon either.
ASk someone ingame to show you the way out. I remember my first time in, I got to the end of aa ramp, and thought "hey, I dont see the path, but it must be there" and stepped off. Oh... there is no path there... Not like the movie (golden child?) where you need to have faith the path is there, even if you can not see it. You need to stop and look around and find the way out, or ask someone.
Without a screenshot, all the help I can provide.
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as some can tell you the game is plenty bright, it all depends on your screen and your graphics card and drivers nothing we can do if you have sub-par equipment.
Actually, I think this is still strange. OpenGL is a standard. You would expect that if you tell your graphics card using standard commands to make something white, it would be white, no matter what hardware. Sub-par equipment (like my intel chip) might have problems achieving a high framerate, do things like bumpmapping or antialiasing, but white should still be white.
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My game gets very dark too in places. Hydlaa Plaza/Hydlaa Jayose mostly. those 2 are fixed by using F11,F12 keys. Im running a very old ati radeon card. Death IS NOT that hard man, if you see someone run by you, /tell them! I'm sure any player would stop to help you out, even if you have to walk right behind them! Been there, done that. Where there is a will,there is a way.
As far as PS being to dark, I like it. I do hope when PS is done its really shadowy and shiny like I saw on another thread...
http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34553.0 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34553.0)
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I think that you should not go to the death realm for using the /die command. I had to use that because I got stuck, and /unstick didn't work, so now I gotta find my way through an annoying maze.
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I think that you should not go to the death realm for using the /die command. I had to use that because I got stuck, and /unstick didn't work, so now I gotta find my way through an annoying maze.
So... to clarify... you want to be able to use the /die command and not die? ???
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I think that you should not go to the death realm for using the /die command. I had to use that because I got stuck, and /unstick didn't work, so now I gotta find my way through an annoying maze.
Use the Help channel in chat, ask the GMs to help you out of those situations; I don't know if they can but give it a try.
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as some can tell you the game is plenty bright, it all depends on your screen and your graphics card and drivers nothing we can do if you have sub-par equipment.
Actually, I think this is still strange. OpenGL is a standard. You would expect that if you tell your graphics card using standard commands to make something white, it would be white, no matter what hardware. Sub-par equipment (like my intel chip) might have problems achieving a high framerate, do things like bumpmapping or antialiasing, but white should still be white.
I'm not sure why people with top of the line equipment would be playing a beta game???
and I also agree with planeshift being too dark. I can live with it, but it's always dim.
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f11/f12 changes brightness
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i enjoy the DR. I think it adds an interesting flavor to the game. The only thing that gets me is the curse that afflicts you for 30 minutes means that often when I get out of the DR, I can't move for 30 minutes because with a weakened strength, suddenly I am overburdened.
It is one thing to take a player and make them jump through a hoop because their character died. But if you take them out of gameplay for 30 minutes, to may lose the player.
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You should try not to die. Or carry less stuff and be reckless.
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You should try not to die. Or carry less stuff and be reckless.
Maybe it's one of these few things that are easier to achieve in RL than in a computer game.
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You should try not to die. Or carry less stuff and be reckless.
Maybe it's one of these few things that are easier to achieve in RL than in a computer game.
Um, people die every day IRL, and I am sure they, and their loved ones WISH they could have them back, even if they had to be weak for a whole hour!.... :'( /rant
They even put in a death guardian, who tells you to unburden yourself and buys, at the going price, a lot if the items you may be carrying. Not sure what more would work for you, short of handing out buffs for dying like candy.
Goal: to discourage dying, make it painful and inconvenient. Done.
Other ways it can be done? sure. but lets have the people suggesting 30 minutes of being overburdened because you are carrying too much AND you died come up with not just a complaint of it, but what they suggest.
I know, Maybe have it give you a choice, 10% of your experience (total, and the resulatant loss of skills you have learned if you do not have 10% of lifetime experinece banked (unused) ) or 30 minutes of the curse. Me, I will stick with the curse, thank you very much.
So please, if you do not like the DR and curse, Please suggest what you would use to replace it, not that any changes will happen, but at least then we will be having a conversation. Otherwise it sounds unreasonable.
Even saying "I think there is no reason to have any punishment for dying" is honest (assuming you think that, I don't). Then we can agree to disagree on that point.
And, not to speak for the team, which , remember, i am not a member of, other than a tester/player/citizen of Yliakum, I would speculate that if you are going to quit because the curse will make you sit for 30 minutes because you DIED, and refused to lighten your load, then how likely you are going to bother to read the forums, the settings, make an attempt to RP, fill out a bugtracker report, etc? if they are willing to quit over 30 minutes, take the curse away, and they will quit over something else they don't like. "Hey, give me Laz0rsw0rds, or I am going to just play Wow!"
ok, have fun with that, buh bye... :D
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You should try not to die. Or carry less stuff and be reckless.
Every time I've died in the past week or so has been a game error, such as climbing a ladder and the game reporting that I'm out of bounds. At that point I have to spend 5 minutes running through the DR, and then sit on my butt for 30 minutes in Hydlaa, and the spend time running back to where the game freaked out on me.
The purpose of a game is to have fun. I know I'm playing a beta product and I expect some lumps. Bugs aren't an intentional game decision. Dekku's Curse is. And I think there should be an impact of dying in game, but making me sit down for thirty minutes isn't fun. To that extent, I'd like to see it changed.
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why must trying to revive and go back to normal world be so hard (after u died)
And why exactly do you need to leave the Death Realm and go back to the other world?
Some people have stayed there for years and are still ok :whistling:
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You should try not to die. Or carry less stuff and be reckless.
Every time I've died in the past week or so has been a game error, such as climbing a ladder and the game reporting that I'm out of bounds. At that point I have to spend 5 minutes running through the DR, and then sit on my butt for 30 minutes in Hydlaa, and the spend time running back to where the game freaked out on me.
The purpose of a game is to have fun. I know I'm playing a beta product and I expect some lumps. Bugs aren't an intentional game decision. Dekku's Curse is. And I think there should be an impact of dying in game, but making me sit down for thirty minutes isn't fun. To that extent, I'd like to see it changed.
Allow me to repeat myself, if I may. Carry less stuff.
And why exactly do you need to leave the Death Realm and go back to the other world?
Some people have stayed there for years and are still ok :whistling:
Wow, Tharos, I had figured you had gone to the Death Realm's Death Realm at this stage.
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I'm not wearing armor and I'm usually only carrying as much as I need to for current quests and do my best to sell off anything unnecessary. Even with that, and a strength of 90, I am unable to move when I leave the DR.
I could drop all my quest items that I can't get back, but I doubt that would be productive.
I don't mind that a curse exists, but I wish it didn't affect carrying capacity as it removes me from game for 30 minutes, especially when my death was trigged by a bug, repeatedly.
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get some seduction weapons, or train your str! is the easiest way to avoid that! ;)
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I have since focused heavily on raising my strength (up to 150!) which has made a difference. But I also don't wear armor, and basically don't carry anything I don't need.
I still think the mechanic could possibly turn players away from the game. I would be all for lowering your fatigue levels, mana and health, but not necessarily carrying capacity for precisely the reason that it takes people out of the game.
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I would be all for lowering your fatigue levels, mana and health, but not necessarily carrying capacity
I think the current system is a good one. Death is supposed to be cumbersome. While halving stats halved is aggrivating, it doesn't effect all players that much. There are some that for RP or seeling goods, don't move or just don't need to fight. The carrying capacity limits everyone.
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Except when carrying capacity means you can't play the game for 30 minutes. Literally pulling people of game and telling them to stop playing is not what I would consider a good game feature. That is the sort of feature that might permanently drive players away.
The ultimate purpose behind playing a game is to have fun.
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The curse currently doesn't stop a lot of people from using the Death Relm express to quickly get from one place to another. I have gone to help out friends several times who have been cursed and carrying to much to move. This can be a social aspect of the game, having friends who could come give you a hand and RP with you while you are cursed. No reason just to sit all alone for 30 minutes.
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I have used the 30 minutes to RP before, but that depends in other players are near by that you can strike up a RP with.
And while workarounds may exist, that doesn't change the fact that it still may drive players away permanently, especially new players who don't have high strengths. How is that a good thing?
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if u hold alt f12 u can change ur in-game brightness
sir joe stokes
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Except when carrying capacity means you can't play the game for 30 minutes. Literally pulling people of game and telling them to stop playing is not what I would consider a good game feature. That is the sort of feature that might permanently drive players away.
The ultimate purpose behind playing a game is to have fun.
Here's the fact. It's meant to tech you to be careful. Now, whenever I go to DR, I make sure to not be carrying more then half capacity. As long as you have half or less you'll be fine upon exit.
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Except when carrying capacity means you can't play the game for 30 minutes. Literally pulling people of game and telling them to stop playing is not what I would consider a good game feature. That is the sort of feature that might permanently drive players away.
The ultimate purpose behind playing a game is to have fun.
He's right actually.
I am a brand new player to this game today, I logged in for the first time and spent an hour making a character, loving the rich RP environment of the character creator, I looked around on the forums, came back in game and had some fun going through the initial starter tutorial which was another hour and I actually enjoyed doing it. I was excited at the idea of RP'ing in a game where people actually wanted to RP. I came up with a character history, spent time filling out a description, and I was all ready to start playing the game. I wandered out into the world and explored my surroundings outside of town. I came across a Rouge NPC that auto-attacked me and I won valiantly. I ran all over town and explored the surrounding hillsides! I was having a blast! Then I came across a Pilferer.
I reached the lovely death realm.
I spent two full hours looking for the exit, and I became angry and frustrated after searching for the first ten minutes. Yes, I attempted to follow other players only to discover they didn't know where they were going either. I ran around on every stairway I could find. I finally got so damn sick of the darkness I turned up my screens brightness to double its normal value which had the wonderful effect of hurting my eyes. Then finally I found the damn way out after two full hours of searching around. Guess what? When I found the exit, I wasnt overjoyed or relieved. I was annoyed as crap and was wondering why i just wasted 2 hours on it. So I get out of the dungeon, only to find I have to sit down for an additional 30 minutes because apparently I have a curse on me. Yay! That was fun!
I have no desire to log back in right now, none at all. I play games to have fun, and the last 2.5 hours wasn't fun in the slightest bit. I wish I had found http://www.happypenguin.org/show?PlaneShift&start=10 (http://www.happypenguin.org/show?PlaneShift&start=10) before I began downloading the game, I could have saved myself half of my Sunday. Right now I feel everything Mnemonic1 said in his post is correct.
If your goal was to infuriate and disorient a new player...well congratulations! You succeeded.
What a waste of time. I'm going to go delete this game now.
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Okay, you told your poor little story, it's my turn.
When I first died in the game, I was wandering around like a fool (like you did, you rarely die out of nothing) and was beheaded by a Tefusang or something huge like that.
I remember, I was very angry of myself, and had been surprised to discover the Death Realm. I didn't even suspected its existence and was very surprised.
I started to find out my way out. On one hand I was envoying discovering a whole new world and tried to interact with every npc I was seeing (It's a role-playing game no ? Aren't you supposed to do that kind of stuff ?). I even got a quest from one of them which I didn't had resolved yet.
After several hours (I don't remember how much, but it was more 4 to 6), I finally found the way out (with a little help).
I was also altered by DP after that. You can move if you make sure not to be overloaded. If you always keep a lot of needless stuff, it's the good time to dust off your equipment. (And if you don't want to loose everything, there's a lot of place where you can hide your stuff).
After that good experiment, I'm not anymore afraid of the in-game death.
For example, my character died yesterday evening. I was out of DR in some 10 minutes. I relieved my character from unnecessary equipment which I hid somewhere and the 30 minutes had rotated before I knew.
If you take any difficulty like an insult, then this game is not for you. DR is not the harder part of the game, I swear.
(NB:I'm not talking about the brightness problem because I'm not affected by it, whatever it's not a feature, but a bug)
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Difficult shouldn't mean frustrating. When I was new, I would often die from slipping on hills and suffering fall damage. The first few times, I deleted my character instead of finding my way out of the death realm because it was just too dark. And that was when the death realm was much smaller than it is now.
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Just a couple of comments...
Some maps being very very dark is a consequence of CrystalSpace lighter2. It will be tweaked and fixed with time. Some video cards display the game MUCH darker than others, I have no idea why that is.
Not everything is intentional, but exploring the Death Realm and socializing (yes, even there), to find someone to guide you out, is definitely recommended.
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We believe certain changes we've made will sufficiently address this problem. More changes are planned. We hope you enjoy PlaneShift safely.
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To save the time of developers and to de-clutter the forum, maybe a series of stickies could be made in the complaint forum to i. recognize the most visible and most jarring bugs and to ii. point out that the dev team is working to address them. We see the same threads coming up time and time again and individuals like Xillix seem forced to waste too much of their valuable energies addressing such threads individually.
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I once decided to try out the death realm and killed myself (/kill) and when I could not find the exit someone was kind enough to help me. Just find a more Experienced player.