PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on January 03, 2009, 01:40:27 am
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We the roleplayers, in order to fully enjoy PlaneShift as intended, strive to abide by the following covenant, or, if that is not possible, to respect those who do.
We will...
* be consistent and stay true to character.1
* respect PlaneShift's unique game world and always keep character chat, action, and history consistent with the known PS universe.2
* interact with other players and let the actions of other characters help shape and define who our character(s) become. 3
* use common sense. If we know an action will upset another player in real-life, we won't do it. This includes yelling at people because they are not playing the way we think they should, insulting others, trolling, or being rude.4
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1. Playing your character consistently will make it easier to develop their personalty and will aid others in interacting with him/her/kra.
2. Make sure you know what exists in PlaneShift before making anything up. Cell phones, vampires, hobbits, etc. do not belong in this game. Much information can be found in-game through books, quests, and other players. Don't be afraid to ask what you don't know!
3. You don't have to be a great roleplayer to enjoy roleplaying. No one is perfect. Practice and experiment. Meet new people. Go on adventures. Be your character and join in the fun!
4. It is better to accept that others will not always play like you do, and have a large group of friends, than to expect perfection and play alone.
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Seems interesting results so far . . .
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I think the language could be simplified in certain parts. I also don't like how it's "I will do this, or at the least let others do this." A covenant should be what everyone has in common in terms of expected behavior. Covenants aren't exactly meant to be negotiable. A covenant contract is also supposed to be worded as if it's an individual speaking, not the collective. I'm also not sure what to make of the "as intended" bit - people are going to enjoy the game in whatever way they enjoy it, regardless of the intent of the game. There are also a few things in terms of format and grammar that could be improved, although nothing major.
Still, I think it's an excellent version, and a wonderful idea. I've worked at several businesses that have employed covenants in order to better communicate organizational values and expectations.
Here's an alternative version:
As a member of the PlaneShift community and a player of the game, I will strive to...
(1) Be consistent with my character.
(2) Respect PlaneShift's unique game world and act within its settings.
(3) Interact with other players and let the actions of other characters help shape and define who my character becomes.
(4) Use common sense and common decency in making decisions, making sure that I do not upset other players in real-life with rudeness or other hurtful actions.
(5) Respect others as they endeavor to fulfill this covenant.
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1. Playing your character consistently will make it easier to develop their personalty and will aid others in interacting with him/her/kra.
2. Make sure you know what exists in PlaneShift before making anything up. Cell phones, vampires, hobbits, etc. do not belong in this game. Much information can be found in-game through books, quests, and other players. Don't be afraid to ask what you don't know!
3. You don't have to be a great roleplayer to enjoy roleplaying. No one is perfect. Practice and experiment. Meet new people. Go on adventures. Be your character and join in the fun!
4. It is better to accept that others will not always play like you do than to expect perfection. You will make more friends that way, and you will have more people to play with in the game!
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Sounds fair to me.
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This seems to be going well so far, thanks for participating.
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The response is overwhelmingly positive. I voted against it because I don't like the format, but I'm not too attached to my vote. Which means there are only two cranky pants.... maybe they'll explain why they voted against it? I already made my suggestions.
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Apart from following, I like it. (felt like saying the positive part first)
if that is not possible, to respect those who do.
- If you have no plan about OOC/IC or roleplaying, at least try to respect those who do?
Or rather
- If you can't stop ruining RP, respect those who try not to?
I tried to use common sense
and try to respect those who try to respect those who follow this.
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And, since I'm such a nice guy... Something for the few people who want to amend The Covenant before it's even passed but, still voted! Click Me if You're Still Awesome! (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/48876/detail/)
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Regarding 1.: Characters will change. In detail. But in general not completely.
Regarding 2. - 4.: Yes.
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voted yes
4) Yes, but people often/sometimes should overcome being upset and get over it. Mainly because 1,2 and 3 may suffer if they don't. Mostly because of decreased purpose and fun from being evil if otherwise.
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I would like to finalize this for approval and inclusion in the game.
I will give the dissenting voices one more chance to edit this and then repost a new poll in one week so please add your final thoughts and let's get this ready for shipping.
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Pardon me for saying this, but I find it sad to have to make a covenant for this because it is just common sense. I do applaud you for doing this for the people who do not know any better though.
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Pardon me for saying this, but I find it sad to have to make a covenant for this because it is just common sense. I do applaud you for doing this for the people who do not know any better though.
Some of it is common sense, the rest is already in the rulebook.
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sounds more or less fine to me
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If everyone in real life followed common sense and the rulebook we'd be living in Utopia, hence the requirement for a covenant that will be enforced.
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Common sense is relative to what is common to a person. Roleplaying isn't as common as many of you'd like, hence an explicit agreement.
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If everyone in real life followed common sense and the rulebook we'd be living in Utopia, hence the requirement for a covenant that will be enforced.
An Anarchist would have a fun time with that one.
In general, I don't believe in generalizations.
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Sometimes Zanz, reading your posts, I think you like to argue for the sake of arguement ;)...Regardless, I voted yes...good job to everyone involved.
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In general, I don't believe in generalizations.
:D Anyone without signature still? - Grab that one!
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We the roleplayers, in order to fully enjoy PlaneShift as intended, strive to abide by the following covenant, or, if that is not possible, to respect those who do.
We will...
* be consistent and stay true to character.1
* respect PlaneShift's unique game world and always keep character chat, action, and history consistent with the known PS universe.2
* interact with other players and let the actions of other characters help shape and define who our character(s) become. 3
* use common sense. If we know an action will upset another player in real-life, we won't do it. This includes yelling at people because they are not playing the way we think they should, insulting others, trolling, or being rude.4
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1. Playing your character consistently will make it easier to develop their personalty and will aid others in interacting with him/her/kra.
2. Make sure you know what exists in PlaneShift before making anything up. Cell phones, vampires, hobbits, etc. do not belong in this game. Much information can be found in-game through books, quests, and other players. Don't be afraid to ask what you don't know!
3. You don't have to be a great roleplayer to enjoy roleplaying. No one is perfect. Practice and experiment. Meet new people. Go on adventures. Be your character and join in the fun!
4. It is better to accept that others will not always play like you do, and have a large group of friends, than to expect perfection and play alone.
Clank clank, we are the borg, you will comply.
Nope.
As Janner says I did it my way.
His way is Help were he can, do not do to others what would tick him off, OWW YES Have fun.
So no rules please, just do what you think is right. This game is meant to be fun for all, not just 1 persons way.
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R* is fun for everyone. PS is a roleplay game and supposed to be proud of that.
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Clank clank, we are the borg, you will comply.
Nope.
As Janner says I did it my way.
His way is Help were he can, do not do to others what would tick him off, OWW YES Have fun.
So no rules please, just do what you think is right. This game is meant to be fun for all, not just 1 persons way.
That was the old philosophy of role play when I first started playing. Now rules must apply. I admit that is part of the reason I no longer play. Oh we had so much fun back then!! Sadly not anymore.
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I don't really see how the covenant changes roleplaying at all. It just reminds people of what it means to play nice.
How does it change roleplay? There's probably a way to read it that way but I don't see it right now.
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From the perspective of being new to Roleplay...I like the covenant...gives me guidlines and a framework with which to try and learn what Roleplay really is.
Having them formally written down doesn't seem to miraculously create rules...the expected roleplay policies that filter down to us new people seem fairly complex and everchanging depending on the current situation. I always felt like there were a meriad of rules, I just didn't know what they were!
The covenant gives me a framework to fall back on, and feel confident that in some ways, I'm doing OK. Or gives me a clue to where I may have gone wrong.
voted Yes.
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From the perspective of being new to Roleplay...I like the covenant...gives me guidlines and a framework with which to try and learn what Roleplay really is.
Having them formally written down doesn't seem to miraculously create rules...the expected roleplay policies that filter down to us new people seem fairly complex and everchanging depending on the current situation. I always felt like there were a meriad of rules, I just didn't know what they were!
The covenant gives me a framework to fall back on, and feel confident that in some ways, I'm doing OK. Or gives me a clue to where I may have gone wrong.
voted Yes.
Years ago we learned to role play from role players. There was no need to have rules. We played and had great fun. It is different today and I think it lost its fun. It is no wonder to me anymore why they are all gone sadly. We were all a big family then.
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Years ago we learned to role play from role players. There was no need to have rules. We played and had great fun. It is different today and I think it lost its fun. It is no wonder to me anymore why they are all gone sadly. We were all a big family then.
You make it sound as if roleplay has gone the way of the dodo bird, which, in my opinion, is just not the case. Sure, roleplay may not be the 'same sort' of roleplay that you learned, or that others learned. That does not make it any less 'roleplay', or any less fun. And I think that fun is subjective. Sorry to hear that you no longer find any fun in roleplay. Personally, I have a fair amount of fun in the roleplay scenarios that my character happens to get involved in. Especially GM events that my character accidentally stumbles upon.
You mention that roleplayers were 'all a big family back then'...back when? And who is to say that there are still not 'big families' of RP'ers still present? My character has been involved in many different, ongoing RP's since I first started playing PS, which, to be honest, surprises me, because I really did not think that I would have encountered so many others that are so eager to RP and that have so many great ideas for storylines. I have noticed, however, that if your character tends to stick to one location more often than they would find themselves moving around and encountering other characters/groups of characters, then yes, you are going to miss out on a lot of the RP that is available in PS. Just my two tria.
~rina
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Here is a example for you, when I was a GM doing a event, I had a RP Troll constantly private messaging me to not say that do it this way. IS that the way you want it?
It was darn annoying but I did manage to carry on with the event, resisting the strong erg to kick the player.
Guide lines are fine, BUT they tend to be set in stone over time. That leads to do it or leave.
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Point 4
* use common sense. If we know an action will upset another player in real-life, we won't do it. This includes yelling at people because they are not playing the way we think they should, insulting others, trolling, or being rude.4
this section covers your example admirably and would be grounds for a kick/ban
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Point 4
* use common sense. If we know an action will upset another player in real-life, we won't do it. This includes yelling at people because they are not playing the way we think they should, insulting others, trolling, or being rude.4
this section covers your example admirably and would be grounds for a kick/ban
Well point proven we talk ban already, and the ink is not dry yet.
We are the borg. You will comply.
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Let me understand this: if players do not follow the rules of the RP Covenant then they could be banned from the game?
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forgotten about ezpcusa already?
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As a role player, yes I have Mordraugion. My character is on Laanx if I ever wish to play again.
Edit:
Are you saying that a player could be banned from one server and not the other?
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Edit:
Are you saying that a player could be banned from one server and not the other?
depends on the reason they are banned. If they do something very wrong like using hacks on the server that are not allowed, AND have accounts on both servers the devs may ban them on both servers, but if you are just annoying a few people on one server and not on the other, then they might only get a ban on one server. Keep in mind not all players have accounts they actively play on both servers.
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Disregarding general principles of rp repeatedly would be cause for a ban from laanx.
It is just a matter of fitting people to a context more correct for their methods of play.
A covenant is a solemn agreement. Asking people to make a covenant before joining on Laanx can be a good reminder that if one doesn't want RP and all that comes with it they are welcome to play planeshift on the alternative server and never have to worry about learning to RP.
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So double the GM team and Devs, as both will have more problems, I.E RP One will get no testing done, as they will be to busy gassing [Talking], so that leaves PL/no RPs to do all testing, well hardly a fair deal I think.
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So double the GM team and Devs, as both will have more problems, I.E RP One will get no testing done, as they will be to busy gassing [Talking], so that leaves PL/no RPs to do all testing, well hardly a fair deal I think.
It is worse then that Rennaj because the players on the other server will not learn to role play. When I started this game I did not intend to role play until I met some role players. At the very moment I was hooked. Therefore so many will not know what they are missing because they play on the 'other' server.
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To rennaj:
Codewise (and art/rules wise) both servers will generally be the same, with occasionally something changed on the non-rp server for testing new features (and as much to see if it will be welcomed as if it will work). So errors found on one server if fixed, will be fixed on both.
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To rennaj:
Codewise (and art/rules wise) both servers will generally be the same, with occasionally something changed on the non-rp server for testing new features (and as much to see if it will be welcomed as if it will work). So errors found on one server if fixed, will be fixed on both.
So you are saying RPs get all the benefits of the hard work of the down and outs, Also the RPs will get all the events as the down and outs would not need them as they involve RP.
Also would like to point out why should they even bother reporting problems as they are treated like cast outs.
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RPers can report too ;). All required is a little bit of encouragement in form of a non grinding training system.
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RPers can report too ;). All required is a little bit of encouragement in form of a non grinding training system.
True they could, but first they would have to do yuk training.
oww very RP. Also only quests that would be done is for items they need to RP.
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Quests should be done for roleplay only. And will be done for that purpose only. Your character can not (will not be able to) do all quests in game, since they have consequences.
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be consistent and stay true to character.
conflicts with use common sense. If we know an action will upset another player in real-life, we won't do it. This includes yelling at people because they are not playing the way we think they should, insulting others, trolling, or being rude
or are only nice characters allowed and why are out of character actions the example in a covenant regarding in character actions?
Personally I try to be consistent in my approach to real life but it doesn't always work out that way. Consistency is at the heart of boredom. If you always behave the same way are you not in essence Mary-Sue, Bruce Campbell, Pia Zadora or Jerry Lewis?
respect PlaneShift's unique game world and always keep character chat, action, and history consistent with the known PS universe
conflicts with interact with other players and let the actions of other characters help shape and define who our character(s) become.
How can we be consistent and still allow others to change our essence? Are we to be changing at a consistent rate, or consistently changing? Can we be consistently chaotic This covenant has the consistency of tapioca pudding. Slippery in general with lumpy bits throughout.
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People on the second server are not less in any way than people on Laanx.
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This covenant is a good idea.. \\o//
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I think people are missing a major point to the covenant...It is to ensure RP...period. I started playing PS cause I wanted an RP game. Now, there is a covenant. From what I have seen in my limited time here (about 6 months) some people need the reminder of the purpose of the game.
Also, this game is FREE! And I know people have and will argue that you pay in time and work, but fiscally it is free. In that case, unlike other MMO's, the Devs can make whatever rules they like. But you know what, they don't. They ask for imput, they let people complain, they change things for the betterment of the whole. And as in life, you cannot please everyone. So what did they do? They made a second FREE server for non-RPers.
I read some of the posters and I feel they are just being nitpicky. I mean, I love PS. I have invested much time playing since my start. Is it the perfect game? No. Does it have flaws? Yes. But I challenge anyone to find a more RP friendly game...then go to it if you think it is that much better. I feel bad for people that can't seem to understand this and I think most of them don't realize that while they moan and complain, they are using one of the major advantages the devs have given us...the right to voice our opinions.
So to put it bluntly, just enjoy what you have, cause it may not be around forever, especially with such negative responses, and I would be very sadden to see it go. Bravo to all the devs, and thanks for all you do. You are all truly under-appreciated.
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Here is a example for you, when I was a GM doing a event, I had a RP Troll constantly private messaging me to not say that do it this way. IS that the way you want it?
It was darn annoying but I did manage to carry on with the event, resisting the strong erg to kick the player.
Guide lines are fine, BUT they tend to be set in stone over time. That leads to do it or leave.
I don't understand. What was he or she doing wrong?
forgotten about ezpcusa already?
EZPC is essentially its own game... that's like saying people can just go play RuneScape if they get banned. Essentially true, but missing the point that people play PlaneShift because of the community.
Disregarding general principles of rp repeatedly would be cause for a ban from laanx.
It is just a matter of fitting people to a context more correct for their methods of play.
A covenant is a solemn agreement. Asking people to make a covenant before joining on Laanx can be a good reminder that if one doesn't want RP and all that comes with it they are welcome to play planeshift on the alternative server and never have to worry about learning to RP.
Well said.
So you are saying RPs get all the benefits of the hard work of the down and outs, Also the RPs will get all the events as the down and outs would not need them as they involve RP.
Also would like to point out why should they even bother reporting problems as they are treated like cast outs.
Well, it is an RP game...
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Here is a example for you, when I was a GM doing a event, I had a RP Troll constantly private messaging me to not say that do it this way. IS that the way you want it?
It was darn annoying but I did manage to carry on with the event, resisting the strong erg to kick the player.
Guide lines are fine, BUT they tend to be set in stone over time. That leads to do it or leave.
I don't understand. What was he or she doing wrong?
Some could say Harassing me.
Interfering with a GM doing a job.
Could also have been a deliberate attempt at disrupting the event.
But in this case it was a player trying to force there way of RP onto me.
So you are saying RPs get all the benefits of the hard work of the down and outs, Also the RPs will get all the events as the down and outs would not need them as they involve RP.
Also would like to point out why should they even bother reporting problems as they are treated like cast outs.
Well, it is an RP game...
Then why bother with 2 servers with two types of the same game.
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cant we all just try to stay on topic, this thread was not made to debate why we have the new server and what its use will be.
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Perhaps posts about the need of a covenant as well as the structured suggested should be moved here (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34124.0) to keep this thread about whether or not the community approves or disapproves the final draft (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34508.msg396263#msg396263)?
As you can see in the first link, before this poll, there was a long discussion that led to the draft XilliX posted for approval and that's where you should post your concerns, imo.
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Perhaps posts about the need of a covenant as well as the structured suggested should be moved here (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34124.0) to keep this thread about whether or not the community approves or disapproves the final draft (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34508.msg396263#msg396263)?
As you can see in the first link, before this poll, there was a long discussion that led to the draft XilliX posted for approval and that's where you should post your concerns, imo.
I don't there's anything more to discuss. The votes are fairly one sided:
Do you find these terms acceptable as something agreed to by all Playing on Laanx?
Yes. 85 (94.4%)
No. 5 (5.6%)
Total Voters: 90
If you play on Laanx, you agree to those terms. Don't like the covenant? Play on the other server.
End of discussion.
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forgotten about ezpcusa already?
EZPC is essentially its own game... that's like saying people can just go play RuneScape if they get banned. Essentially true, but missing the point that people play PlaneShift because of the community.
Disregarding general principles of rp repeatedly would be cause for a ban from laanx.
It is just a matter of fitting people to a context more correct for their methods of play.
A covenant is a solemn agreement. Asking people to make a covenant before joining on Laanx can be a good reminder that if one doesn't want RP and all that comes with it they are welcome to play planeshift on the alternative server and never have to worry about learning to RP.
Well said.
I'm missing the point while Xillix is well said? We said the same thing only I didnt use so many words
Edit: opps missed the locked warning, I'll shut up now