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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Shadowcarn Acolyte on March 14, 2009, 08:34:47 am
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Rodef Emet was on the run from his past. After leaving his former guild, tragically doomed to destruction because of its strict hierachy, he found many others with similar experiences, and decided on a solution: A guild without ranks, without a hierachy. A guild where everyone was equal, regardless of experience or ability. A guild of victims of the hierachy. A guild of Exiles. No, he thought, that wasn't quite it. A guild of Equals!
One is be a fully egalitarian socialist guild. There are no ranks, and everyone is equal. The guild's ideology is based on Marx's principle: Each to his own ability, each for his own need.
The Guild Rules are as follows:
1) All members of One are expected to fulfill (if able) any reasonable request given to them by a fellow guild member.
2) All members are expected to help the guild in whatever way they can, be it crafting, magic, battle, mining or any other special skills.
3) All members are to respect all sentient life, as well as all beings' undeniable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
4) One as a guild does not condone violence in any form other than in self-defence, the defence of a fellow guild member or the defence of a friend.
5) All members are expected to treat all beings decently and with respect.
6) Preaching is forbidden. All beings are entitled to their own beliefs, but we kindly ask that you refrain from forcing yours on others.
7) Any member who is unable to fulfill a guild expectation is excused from the requirement to do so.
8) Any member who is able and does not fulfill a guild expectation or who breaks a guild rule will be given a warning. Repeat offenders will be banished from the guild.
9) Honesty is paramount. Any member who falsely denies breaking a guild rule or not fulfilling a guild requirement will be banished from the guild without receiving a warning.
Our meeting place is the Secret Garden. These are our current Members:
Rodef Emet: Healing and Crystal Way
Siranov Jaylor: Weapon and Armour Repair, Smithing
Soyell: Mining, Smithing and Metallurgy
Dravial: Defender
Daamar: Weapon and Armour Making, Smithing
If you are interested in joining the guild with me, please post here.
Sincerely,
Rodef Emet
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Was a repost necessary?
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no.
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Was a repost necessary?
I'm glad The One reposted this, so glad, in fact, that I joined the guild.
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So your guild resorts to forcing a roleplay upon the Tyndale Trading Company? No. It will not involve in a socialism vs capitalism roleplay. If you do not cease, I'll involve the GMs, as this borders harassment. Stop telling the members of your guild to treat the TTC as a capitalist enemy.
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well, that's what I'd expect from a guild rping egalitarian socialists.
any group led by the average will tend towards common blunders and ultimately to mediocrity, once the shock value has worn off.
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Hi Donari,
The One is about equality and as far as I am aware is not trying to force a roleplay on others. I [OCC] and Soyell [IC] do not believe in forcing our views on others, and Soyell has certainly not treated the TTC as a 'capitalist enemy'. In fact, the only IC knowledge Soyell has of yourself and TTC was during the RP I was involved in with Diat Azshara (Laanx followers) the other day when Soyell met your goodself. You would have to agree that Soyell was quite respectful to Sir Tyndale during that RP.
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Seems your leader, Rodef, doesn't agree with your point of view, Soyell. A member of your guild voiced that he forbid any interaction between the TTC and his guild, despite me having told him not to initiate such a roleplay.
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I wouldn't get too upset about a non-interaction rule, Donari, it could just be his way of ensuring his members do not actively cause you grief by targeting your business for their rabble rousing.
You ask to not be involved so he required the members to not involve you. You can't have it both ways, any in character interaction would be to oppose your business so for you to demand they shop in your stores without spreading their gospel is a demand for them to go out of character.
Ignoring each other would seem the best bet if you cannot otherwise agree.
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Oh no, I asked for no OOC involvement in such a roleplay. However, he spreads the TTC=capitalism=enemy ideology IC. And their members do shop without spreading their gospel already. He's set upon his "You can not stop communism!" ideology.
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Communism is kind of out of context for planeshift anyway. Maybe I should give them my shares :devil:
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Like most supposed communists, he would likely accept them ;op
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Oh no, I asked for no OOC involvement in such a roleplay. However, he spreads the TTC=capitalism=enemy ideology IC. And their members do shop without spreading their gospel already. He's set upon his "You can not stop communism!" ideology.
Donari, your advertising for Tyndale Trading Company is filled with financial terminology that wasn't used in the Middle Ages but is used today in finance. And, I could not care less. But please realize that you and Rodef are "guilty" of the same crime you accuse him of, in a slightly different way.
The One is a guild of members, none of them ideological leaders, none of them policy dictators, all equals who agree on a number of basic points. But, I will speak to Rodef, our respected founder, to ask him to leave you alone since his references to modern economics disturb you. In my own opinion, you may go on using the terminology of capitalism to describe your guild's economic activity, however, because I don't find it detracts from my role-playing, though it does make me giggle OOC.
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I am not guilty of forcing my roleplay on others despite having been told not to ;). I have told him thrice, actually.
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"So far is it from being true that men are naturally equal, that no two people can be half an hour together, but one shall acquire an evident superiority over the other." Hear, hear, Dr. Johnson.
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More quotations here http://www.brainyquote.com/ if anyone else needs them. ;D
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And thus was I refuted.
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My opinion, Donari, suck it up and get over it. If a guild does not like you IC, they can tell their guild IC to not interact with you. For you to try and stop them doing so is, for lack of a better word, godmodding. You cannot enforce who RP's behind your back, what IC rumours they spread, and what they IC things they as a guild do. That is rather annoying, considering you have no ties to their guild whatsoever.
To think that is acceptable would also mean you think that the Warriors should stop helping newbs, as you could make a profitable business off that IC. If you don't like a guild's IC stance against you, fight back IC, instead of resorting to buzzwords like harrassment and threats of /report.
It just makes you look like even worse corporate scum, when irl, you'd be fighting back the way the USA did, secretly funding things to hinder the One, and playing out how the Tyndale Trading Company would react IC.
In RP, just like RL, there are things that happen and things that are said that are out of your control. In RL, you don't have access to a /report or OOC system, so you have to man up and fight back using tact and intelligence, because its rather hard to godmod in RL.
Not trying to be overly critical, but you are in the wrong in my opinion Donari, and you're overstepping the boundaries.
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Akkaido, you in my eyes display a very childish behaviour. One, it is my decision with whom to roleplay. Two, I do not believe that Rodef has put any effort into finding out anything about the TTC beyond the guildthread. Three, how does a communistic guild work anyway? Don't they train and dig platinum? Well, according to Rodef they are allowed to sell their looted items to the TTC. So I don't think this is anything but a mixup between OOC and IC, and thus I chose not to be involved. And if the newbs tell the warrior not to help them, I think the warrior should respect their decision, no?
Oh, by the way, this is a game, Akkaido. Everything is in our control, at least everything related to -our- characters.
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Well, I agree that you have a degree of control over what other players do TO you, but not what they say/think about you behind their back. And also you have a right to not RP with them directly.
I must note though I wrote that previous post before reading the TTC thread, and I noticed the pathetic post by Shadowcarn Acolyte. To me, that is bad form and I apologise to you for taking my stance before I saw that obviously intentional insult by him on your thread.
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And they shall be crushed, or fall into a regime like all other socialist-communist countries...
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Perhaps those acting against them should learn how to roleplay and join?
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Mr Tyndale, the new policy on interaction is that we will sell you loot, but not the fruits of our labour. I do not regard you as an enemy because you are inherently capitalist. The refusal to sell you produce is because you are capitalist, and we believe that the workers should control the means of production. The regarding you as an enemy, however, is because of your mule-headed refusal to acknowledge our ideology. We are Socialist, not Communist. Our guild is based on a Kibbutz, which never became totalitarian. Also, my post on your thread was nothing more than an RP objection.
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It was still unnecessary and childish.
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Shadowcarn Acolyte, please accept the fact that I would not like to be involved with your roleplay OOC wise. The lack of acknowledgement is entirely OOC, and so should be your response, which is IC, however. That is plain harassment.
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Seems you don't know what OOC and IC mean. If you got some spare time, I'd be more than happy to explain this to you.
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Time to stop the petty bickering please before I clean up this thread.
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I thought discussions and references to IRL politics were not allowed in game or on the forums.
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Like it or not Verden, RL penetrates every thought we have.
I think it's a good idea to experiment with socialist and 'capitalist' organisations... for me it adds depth and diversity. It would be nice if they could agree on whether IC they're friends or enemies....
:)
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Makes the whole notion of escapism null and void, doesn't it?
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Number one: I understand entirely what OOC and IC mean
Number two: Well, why didn't you say that you were only ignoring our ideology OOC in the first place? I am perfectly willing to make deals with you now. Our feud is over.
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Lenin announces that the feud is over. (Stormy applause.)
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All this comunism vs capitalist stuff is pure ridiculous BS. We don't really care about what your ideas are in RL and they are completely off-setting for PS.
So hey, if you're going to keep this up you may as well RP the mass murderers and the fall of capitalism nowadays.
I recommend you something though, add this to your servers.xml: <server name="Ezpcusa" ip="planeshift.ezpcusa.com" port="7777" />
Come to see me, I play All Bundy there. You may get a free new pair of shoes if you're good looking enough... XD
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Anti-intellectualism has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses.
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Pathetic.
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Its like Lordraleigh fell on his head and decided to come back to ps.
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Sometimes intellectualism is subjective. For instance, I think Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) was a complete idiot. I think people only praised her because she attempted to justify the notion that it is okay to be self-serving, even writing "The Virtue of Selfishness". And while we're firmly entrenched off-topic here, I think wholesale socialism has never worked, and lacks incentives, but wholesale selfishness like Rand preaches is also wrong. I don't want go get into specific examples of specific governments or parties too much, but I think the overall basic concept of the US has it mostly right where capitalism is tempered with socialism.
Either way, I don't understand all this bickering OOC. If fictional characters disagree on idealogies in game, then take that discussion in game and have a rewarding debate in Yliakum. As for whether or not it should be acceptable to discuss a vague concept that borders on socialism, I think you'll find debate over political ideals extends past our entire written history. Read Plato's "The Republic" (http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/1497), which you can read online for free, which oddly enough does not describe a republic.
People shouldn't discuss Marx specifically because he doesn't exist in Yliakum, but a concept of social distribution of wealth should be acceptable in my opinion.
But what do I know?
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While I may disagree (or maynot, :P ) with your first paragraph Enderandrew, I agree with the rest of what you said.
Someone wants to talk about the concepts behind a general priniciple ingame? as long as within settings, thats cool. Wait, you expect me to sit around and engage you in RP about it? Sure!
</me rolls his eyes as he walks away muttering "heh... I wouldnt listen to that blathering with YOUR ears" >
what? that would be IC for Bamko! ::)
now, if they were mentioning marx, (karl OR harpo) by name.. that would be different. But we should not OOC demand that everyone RPs the way we want, IMO. Yliakum should probably have its own diversity anyway.
but, meh, that is just my opinion, eh? ;D
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enderandrew, Bamko, well said. I'm even going to issue you both a :thumbup: eventhough it's an ancient Roman gesture frequently used in their Flavian Amphitheatre or Colosseum. ;D
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Makes the whole notion of escapism null and void, doesn't it?
Yes.
Like it or not Verden, RL penetrates every thought we have.
There are guidelines to what is acceptable in Yliakum or on the forums. Like it or not, certain concepts only detract from Planeshift, and are begging for moderation in game or on the forums. The proof is in this thread.
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What a bit of joking around that an Equality driven guild seems similar to communism?
The guild itself is a cool idea (I don't know if it will last, but a cool idea to test out). Just because someone labelled them communist and the members now take the mickey out of the assumed connection does not make it require deletion.
Nothing wrong with some fun and banter. Don't take it all so seriously, relax and laugh at the humour.
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i know Shadowcarn Acolyte/ rodef in real life and in no way is he being funny, hes totally serious, but i will go have a talk to him.
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it's not him who is being funny on this thread, and making ties to Communism, its Kangold D, lol.
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What a bit of joking around that an Equality driven guild seems similar to communism?
The guild itself is a cool idea (I don't know if it will last, but a cool idea to test out). Just because someone labelled them communist and the members now take the mickey out of the assumed connection does not make it require deletion.
Nothing wrong with some fun and banter. Don't take it all so seriously, relax and laugh at the humour.
The humour comes from the association, my friend. They wouldn't be half as funny without us making fun of them.
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What a bit of joking around that an Equality driven guild seems similar to communism?
The guild itself is a cool idea (I don't know if it will last, but a cool idea to test out). Just because someone labelled them communist and the members now take the mickey out of the assumed connection does not make it require deletion.
Nothing wrong with some fun and banter. Don't take it all so seriously, relax and laugh at the humour.
The humour comes from the association, my friend. They wouldn't be half as funny without us making fun of them.
You have a message waiting for you at 1-800-NOBODYCARES.
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Bringing it down to mere equality, and forgetting about that, admittantly, rather stupid "communism" or "socialism" approach, this could make me think of the Mind's Eye Collective (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=29164.msg335001#msg335001). Looks like a nice successor, if only there was some more defined distance to RL-relations, but more immersion.
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Parallo, marry me. (I'll even bring Donari back for that purpose :P)
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I, character (and confirmed proletariat) Winstone Pheramone, would like to join this lovely guild if at all possible please.
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Parallo, marry me. (I'll even bring Donari back for that purpose :P)
I always have this effect on people. It is the bane of my existence.