PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Atagal on August 28, 2009, 10:44:39 pm
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Ok, so in our role play, Atagal and Emmara wan to be married, and sense they could not decide upon who name to take they picked to change both of their names, but some reason the game masters will not help with this, I've been told by one GM they are only aloud to change a char's name if it is not aloud or if it's marriage or divorce, and well this reason is marriage. So why can't they change it? Also something I have wanted the answer to, why do they not allow same sex marriage? Who are they to say who our char's can love... =/
That is why I like Dream of mirror more -.- you can have same sex marriage and in Asda story you can have a same sex soul mate. All the games I play are starting to allow it, why not PS?
Though those two games are not true rp like PS saddly...
And I have played PS for nearly 3 years... Never played any game for so long.
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For this type of marriage select a Kran.
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That would not be a true rp, and I have worked to hard on this char to scrap it because of GM's
So thanks but that is no help
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I'm banned from the PS IRC channel for talking about lesbians :).
They don't care what you think. There will be no same sex marriage :)
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So they are sexiest?
And do they really want to lose the few people they have playing? and do they really want to lose some of the best rper's they have? Hell some GM's told my guild are good rp'ers and that I can see we are one of the few rp'ing guilds, all we do is rp, do they really not want people to rp? if they ban me from PS I will get my whole guild to quit playing, lol. So if they want to lose about 4-6 heavy rp'ers than so be it.
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No, they do not wish the issues that tag along behind it to come in game. The idea is to prevent the controversy you are currently stirring up. :oops: And the correct term would not be sexist as that would imply they let male characters each other marry and not female characters. ;) But it's not like they are being heavy handed about it otherwise there would probably be something about it in settings which it isn't. It's just one of the many unimplemented mechanics.
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I just want to rp, if they are not supporting of it than what ever, I just want them to explain all the reasons why please.
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PlaneShift is just a game and nothing else. Leave the same sex marriage to your local politicians and their voters to decide.
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Yes it's just a game so why do they care about same sex marriage than? And does this forum let polls? maybe take a poll see if people think it shoud be ok.. =/
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No, they do not wish the issues that tag along behind it to come in game. The idea is to prevent the controversy you are currently stirring up. :oops: And the correct term would not be sexist as that would imply they let male characters each other marry and not female characters. ;) But it's not like they are being heavy handed about it otherwise there would probably be something about it in settings which it isn't. It's just one of the many unimplemented mechanics.
that's the lamest excuse ever. by not allowing it, no matter their intentions, it seems like the devs are against same sex marriage. you can't just IGNORE something like that and pretend it just doesn't exist. they're stirring controversy by not allowing it. what's the worst that could happen? there are tons of games out there with same sex marriage (even if theyre not rp games) and nothing has been stirred by that, and those games are 100x bigger than PS is.
PlaneShift is just a game and nothing else. Leave the same sex marriage to your local politicians and their voters to decide.
it's this kind of thinking that shows how prejudice and closedminded some of you are. you can't just ignore problems like that.
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I have seen several characters who wanted to marry the same sex, they just wrote it into there description which is what the stupid button does anyway. =simple solution \\o//
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It makes sense that in an old-fashioned culture such as the PS setting is set on there is no room for same sex marriages.
I find that pretty easy to understand and I have no problem with it at all. And mind you, it affects me. ;)
And the reason why other MMORPGs allow it is probably that they are not really RP games.
There is no reason why you can't RP whatever you wish despite the surname of your characters, labels are OOC anyway.
You can also RP an unofficial ceremony and nothing will stop you from doing that.
In the end, that's what marriages IG are... well, that and clicking a button. I don't see the RP part of clicking a button though.
But this has been discussed many times, and most of these threads have been locked or deleted.
So expect this one to be soon. ;)
I've been told by one GM they are only aloud to change a char's name if it is not aloud or if it's marriage or divorce, and well this reason is marriage.
This is not true, and I don't mean that you're lying. But whoever said this did, unless the policies changed in the past weeks.
I've recently seen TWO couples of brothers/sisters IG and both had the same names for the two couples.
Those are new characters and they have been recently renamed, so if GMs aren't going to change names now for you I guess this is more about making sure the mechanics are not overlooked. ;)
But I'm pretty interested in this, since it seems that no longer is possible to create brothers or any other relatives... if what GMs told you is the way it works.
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I have seen several characters who wanted to marry the same sex, they just wrote it into there description which is what the stupid button does anyway. =simple solution \\o//
We will do that but the point is we can't change the last name ourselves
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well, if Yliakum doesn't allow same sex marriages, then can't they say it's not allowed? they haven't said anything about it at all.
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There is no reason why you can't RP whatever you wish despite the surname of your characters, labels are OOC anyway.
Good point Lhaa! :thumbup:
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But I'm pretty interested in this, since it seems that no longer is possible to create brothers or any other relatives... if what GMs told you is the way it works.
The one who talked to me last said marriage was something they do it for but the one who answered my petition said they only do it if the name does not work. But the one I last talked to I just talked to two days ago
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There is no reason why you can't RP whatever you wish despite the surname of your characters, labels are OOC anyway.
Good point Lhaa! :thumbup:
We were going to anyways, I just want to know why that is the only way we can. That's all, just want to know more...
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/me shrugs.
You are assuming the races in PS even have the same genetic hiccup that makes some humans or animals gay.
Anyways, Yliakum is not exactly a free society, if you haven't noticed. People don't get a vote. They don't make their own laws. Grandfathered in Octarchs do.
My advice? STOP TRYING TO MODEL YOUR LIFE IN PS AFTER REAL LIFE. Leave the drama at home.
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Lmao my char is not even like me at all -.- in real life I am not gay/lez not even bi... My char decided to go with girl's when she had some problems in her past. And why have one leader over a whole world? what would keep him from getting power hungery, and I am not trying to make any one made just bringing things up to think about. So if you can't allow free thought and assume how I rp do not comment please . Thank you
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/me shrugs.
You are assuming the races in PS even have the same genetic hiccup that makes some humans or animals gay.
Anyways, Yliakum is not exactly a free society, if you haven't noticed. People don't get a vote. They don't make their own laws. Grandfathered in Octarchs do.
My advice? STOP TRYING TO MODEL YOUR LIFE IN PS AFTER REAL LIFE. Leave the drama at home.
o shiz, you mean i can't be a female character!? :o
you're hilarious. same sex marriage is not classified as drama btw. I'm going to go ahead and save the trouble and guess you're one of those super-straight dudes who's rabidly against same-sex marriage?
I have read the Octarchal Degree of 425 AY and every law book the hydlaa library has to offer, and no where does it say same-sex marriage is illegal, frowned upon, or anything like that. the devs need to clarify.
And why have one leader over a whole world? what would keep him from getting power hungery, and I am not trying to make any one made just bringing things up to think about. So if you can't allow free thought and assume how I rp do not comment please . Thank you
the whole octarchy biz isn't really questionable, that's just how the settings are. however idk why we must assume that the octarchy is against same-sex marriage when there's nothing stated about it in settings or ig. seems more like the dev's or gm's personal opinions.
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Because there is not one leader. There are Eight. And who says they are not power hungry? I am sure they are. Sure, you can have free thought as a characters in the game. Just make sure they keep them thoughts and don't speak them too loud where officials might hear. :)
Edit for the post above* The great majority of law and lawbooks are not written yet, and will not be for some time. Your same sex marriages are simply not recognized by law.
And no, I am not against or for same sex marriage in real life. I just don't care. Does not affect my life one way or the other. What you are doing here amounts to the same thing as writing angry letters to an author to allow gay marriages or outlaw slavery in a FANTASY novel he or she wrote because you don't like the thought of it. Grow up and realize this is not Earth or the United States or Europe or wherever you are from. It does not follow the same rules. It follows the rules of the world that were created by the writers.
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I still need to read a bit more on the history, a little lol, but they could get married and have their names changed with out the higher up's knowing... We are not RP'ing with the gm for the name change or any thing.
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Your 'marriage' would also not be sanctified by any of the religions as well as the government. Legally, you are just two people who live together, or whatever.
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Your 'marriage' would also not be sanctified by any of the religions as well as the government. Legally, you are just two people who live together, or whatever.
wait wait waaaaaaait, why is that? do you know?
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/me gets out the Great Hammer of Explaining and starts walking towards Sarras.
*edit Why are ulbers mean and nasty instead of happy fluffy bunny people? Why are Nolthrir green? Why are Enki freaky furry people? Why is the world in a stalactite?
Because that is the way it is written, both in the settings and the code. Now you know.
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Your 'marriage' would also not be sanctified by any of the religions as well as the government. Legally, you are just two people who live together, or whatever.
I get that and atheist one of the religions/believes would not care about two people together, only gods are said to disapprove of it. Because they have to tell yo how to live your life.. That is why leaders who go by gods way does not let others... Just let the person be happy and get over it is what I think they should do. And people who are gay/lez do not get to chose that they are, they just end up that way or something happens and makes them to, for example my char, dislikes menki's because of in her past some did a few things to her, made up for the rp; and so she does not trust menki's: But still who wants to be lonely? And my char is kinda raciest, though I am not..
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Atheists are the shunned idiots of the world in Yliakum, not a valid religion. And again, you are bringing your real world stuff into the game world again. You don't even know if the races in Yliakum can be gay. Could be the gods saw no purpose in it and eliminated the trait upon them entering the realm. Not your choice in the matter if they did.
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That was me just pointing that out, and my friend I rp with did read up on enki's it does exsist (forgive my spelling please..) from the history she read.
And just to point out, this all was just me simply asking why their names could not be changed to match.
*Adds : Also I would like to point out, this is a game and is meant to be fun because that it is a game. More things you can do more fun it can be.. more thins you can rp more fun it is.*
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more thins you can rp more fun it is
I am going to RP from now on that I am a flying yellow rubber ducky. More fun that way.
I don't know what history you are reading, but obviously you have missed something. In any case, I am actually tired of tripping over angsty, teen-ish love dramas everywhere I look in the game, gay or not (and believe me, there is more than the fair share of the same sex kind). Maybe that is why the population is so low in Ylaikum. So many same sex couples about that there are not very many children being born anymore.
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/me gets out the Great Hammer of Explaining and starts walking towards Sarras.
*edit Why are ulbers mean and nasty instead of happy fluffy bunny people? Why are Nolthrir green? Why are Enki freaky furry people? Why is the world in a stalactite?
Because that is the way it is written, both in the settings and the code. Now you know.
pics or no proof. settings say nothing on same sex marriage.
atagal, not trying to be rude or anything, but perhaps you should revise your posts before submitting them?
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And I did not mean it that literally lmao... But none of this says why they changed the role, what is why I started this, to find out why they changed the role about if they can change names or not. Because like before with brother's and sisters, my char Atagal has a sister and they do share the same last name, from what the GM I was talking to said to me, they are not aloud to even do that, taking away the simpleness of rp'ing brother and sister, or even father and mother.
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/me takes a picture of Sarras looking for the marry button to marry someone of the same sex, and failing.
Done. Now I am done pointing out the folly of your pointless arguments. Sheesh. Asking me to come up with proof when you obviously can't do it ingame. Let me repeat that in case you missed it. Can't do it. One more time? I thought not.
Get over it.
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Still does not answer what I am wanting to know -.-
I am not asking them to change their stupid role I just want to know why it was made a role! That is all!
And unless you can answer that please do not post in here, thank you. (also if you plan on saying any thing rude just go away, that is not the point of this at all. Grr)
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/me takes a picture of Sarras looking for the marry button to marry someone of the same sex, and failing.
Done. Now I am done pointing out the folly of your pointless arguments. Sheesh. Asking me to come up with proof when you obviously can't do it ingame. Let me repeat that in case you missed it. Can't do it. One more time? I thought not.
Get over it.
you fail miserably lol. get a dev over here to explain. you're not one, you can't explain, you're just blabbering nonsense and really quite annoying.
Atagal, what was this topic about in the first place?
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Atagal, what was this topic about in the first place?
They used to let you change your last names for brother/sister/mother/father/marriage/divorce, I just want to know why they do not any more.
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Atagal, what was this topic about in the first place?
They used to let you change your last names for brother/sister/mother/father/marriage/divorce, I just want to know why they do not any more.
looks to me more like you wanted them to allow same-sex marriage. now i'm confused. ???
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Atagal, what was this topic about in the first place?
They used to let you change your last names for brother/sister/mother/father/marriage/divorce, I just want to know why they do not any more.
looks to me more like you wanted them to allow same-sex marriage. now i'm confused. ???
Well I am also confused why they don't, it is a life choice that people can make rather the government knows or not.. even if it's not legal.
Also I am not known for wording things how I mean them >.<
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I was a Lore Dev when all this was talked about. There was a book about marriages that I was part of editing. It specifically said only child baring (aka, opposite sex, other than Kran) marriages where recognized. The book will eventually make it into the game. Who knows if that part will be edited out or not.
However, your strategic use of 'lol' and 'fail' has obviously defeated me in intellectual combat. I take my leave, beaten and battered by the wounds of pure ignorance you have inflicted upon my unworthy self.
~Underthemoon, previous Lore Associate Dev and writer of such texts as Song of the Lemur, The Five Branches of Lannx, and several other hidden texts, as well as others still in line.
As for the 'why' Atagal asked about? Rules change. I doubt you will get a reason.
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I was a Lore Dev when all this was talked about. There was a book about marriages that I was part of editing. It specifically said only child baring (aka, opposite sex, other than Kran) marriages where recognized. The book will eventually make it into the game. Who knows if that part will be edited out or not.
However, your strategic use of 'lol' and 'fail' has obviously defeated me in intellectual combat. I take my leave, beaten and battered by the wounds of pure ignorance you have inflicted upon my unworthy self.
~Underthemoon, previous Lore Associate Dev and writer of such texts as Song of the Lemur, The Five Branches of Lannx, and several other hidden texts, as well as others still in line.
As for the 'why' Atagal asked about? Rules change. I doubt you will get a reason.
LOOOL you FAIL those books aren't even ig yet LOOOOL! oh wait you're not a dev anymore LOOOOOOOOL
you could have said that a lot earlier instead of wasting our time. would be nice if a real dev cleared this up however.
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Ok, if they do not answer questions than why have this site?
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That is the best answer you are going to get. Devs don't answer.... well, I would like to say idiots like you (to SV), but that would be considered rude... so I'll just stick with they don't answer forum inquiries much due to the argumentative nature of the posters. Can you imagine the complaining and whining and gnashing of teeth there would be here if someone on the Dev team had the guts to just step up and say gay people do not exist in Yliakum because the gods did not wish it to be so? I suspect the answer, if any, would be firmly on the fence an undeniably vague.
#edit. The age old "The why do they have this site?" question. Well, it is mostly to make players feel like they are part of the team and to recruit people. It is PR, really.
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Wll I'll wait till that delete this than, so if you do not mind stop posting in my thread.
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I'm just posting here to specifically contradict your request.
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That is the best answer you are going to get. Devs don't answer.... well, I would like to say idiots like you (to SV), but that would be considered rude... so I'll just stick with they don't answer forum inquiries much due to the argumentative nature of the posters. Can you imagine the complaining and whining and gnashing of teeth there would be here if someone on the Dev team had the guts to just step up and say gay people do not exist in Yliakum because the gods did not wish it to be so? I suspect the answer, if any, would be firmly on the fence an undeniably vague.
hm, great thinking! how to avoid a problem? just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist! snuff out the cause and say nothing happened! commie
you (and i assume the devs) don't seem to understand that you can't solve a problem simply by "ignoring" it. at least if they announce that it's not allowed, or put it ig (in the library or something), then it's not a problem anymore. because then they've already laid down the rules, and that's it. seems like the PS team is just afraid of arguments. thank god this is an unusually quiet forum, else they'd be pissing their pants
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hm, great thinking! how to avoid a problem? just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist! snuff out the cause and say nothing happened! commie
you (and i assume the devs) don't seem to understand that you can't solve a problem simply by "ignoring" it. at least if they announce that it's not allowed, or put it ig (in the library or something), then it's not a problem anymore. because then they've already laid down the rules, and that's it. seems like the PS team is just afraid of arguments. thank god this is an unusually quiet forum, else they'd be pissing their pants
Didn't OP request you to stop posting in her thread. It's awfully rude of you to continue, you should consider other's feelings before posting.
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The rules (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=31960.msg370962#msg370962) are clear. When you use the /marriage command and accept a marriage proposal from another character you automatically get the same last name as the male character. Why not the female? Beats me. Feel free to start a new thread about that but it will likely not achieve much.
Same sex marriages are not supported by game mechanics so you cannot get the same last name with the /marriage command. All cases not included in the range of this command are not going to be fixed by GMs. This is not a bug. It's the way the game has been written, so deal with it. You're not a jedi either.
RPing a marriage (of any kind) is definitely not the same as RPing being someone's sibling/parent/child. When we allow players to get the same last name because they RP being siblings or whatever, it's a permanent change. Whatever happens to their characters, they are related forever from that moment on. In the case of marriages, you never know. That's why there is a /divorce command (and, of course, it only applies to the cases where the /marriage command can be used).
In any case, same sex marriages are really outside the boundaries of what the rule states as exceptions to changing valid names. So, no: the rules have not changed and until further notice from the Settings team regarding the issue of same sex marriages, the boundaries of the /marriage command will remain the same.
Does that mean you can't RP a gay character? No. Of course you can, unless homosexuality is removed from the settings as a whole, like vampires, Roe vs. Wade or warp speed, which, by the way, would be a creative choice of the writers of this game (and it is, of course, their prerogative) and not a political statement that reflects their personal opinion on these issues IRL.
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Didn't OP request you to stop posting in her thread. It's awfully rude of you to continue, you should consider other's feelings before posting.
ummm.... no?
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/me bows to Dajoji.
I did not think the rules had changed. Thanks for clearing that up. OP question answered in an official way. Time to bring this boat to shore. Ale all around.
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closing because all these rules were breached:
-Attacks or insults others.
-Debates bans, warnings, Game Master or moderator actions.