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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dajoji on September 02, 2009, 12:44:13 am
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It's been a few months now since the Red Crystal Organization and the Explorers joined the Octarchal Society for Progress (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34557.0) and so far they've done a great job delivering several events for the community, helping improve the RP environment in Laanx.
We've been asked when we'll allow other guilds/organizations to join the OSP a few times so this poll is to test the level of interest. Are you ready to participate? Do you have an original idea that can help Yliakum's society as well as promote RP? Or do you feel we should wait a bit longer before doing this again?
Share your thoughts (but don't share your potential OSP ideas quite yet!) and we'll see. :)
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yes!
i think it would kick *butt* to have another osp its my fav thing about ps!
player run everything is great!
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I'm all for another round of OSP.
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Indeed~ Gimme a bookstand o//
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I think it is a great idea. Though I would suggest that interested parties look to forming an alliance or an organization with other parties of the same or similar interests. Guilds are great and supportive but not necessarily the best resource. An organization is probably the best structure to build from. It allows for growth without limitations to a guilds interests. It would draw in players that are interested in making it work freely rather then dedicated to by affiliation.
Guilds are strong support wise as long as the idea serves the interests of the guild and its members
Alliances offer strong support and extra manpower when the need arises. It also falls under the interests of all parties involved
I have been able to participate in some of the activities held by the current OSP areas and I think they have and are doing a wonderful job with them. I would suggest to anyone interested in participating in another OSP contest to talk to them and learn some of what makes them successful. It may offer some insight on how to frame your ideas.
I think in the first round of the last contest there was some misunderstanding of what was expected of the OSP and what the OSP was looking for. Since it was a first time, it falls under learning experiences. Based on that can we define it clearer to cut down on the processing and adjustments of the applications. I think the OSP was a great idea and I still do. So I vote yes to seeing another contest.
Whether individual(s), guild, alliance or organization. I look forward to another area that is new and offers a different view to the game.
So Bring it on and may the best plan win
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I said no. Not because I am against expanding it, but because less is more. I don't think these initiatives should get spread too thinly.
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I would say focus more on reinforcing the existing OSP projects before creating more.
While they are doing great, the number of RPers in game is fairly small. I would worry that
adding more OSP areas might weaken the existing projects by dilluting the population that
has started to form.
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I concur with Rigwyn and verden, unless you are referring to an OSP for chaotic guilds.
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I voted yes, as it seems to me that involving more players in the life of Yliakum is good for RP, as they can offer more interactions then NPCs. And the actuel projects can't concern everybody. So I would say that as long as it gather motivated people and push up the community as a whole in a better developped world, it is interesting. And I am not sure it would dilute participation, but would incline to think the opposite, that it can attract new players.
And it would be nice to have projects which can be active not just around US time :innocent:
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Interesting point Tux had about adding one for Chaotic guilds...
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hmmm...this is a tough choice! It seems like some good points are being brought up.
I am voting yes, since the question is a general one. But I carry the sames concerns as verden and rigwyn have brought up. Jaycol brings up excellent points too.
I do worry about spreading things too thin...I find it challenging to make make rounds to the Den, Outpost, and Stonehead like I want....Takes hours! lol
But having new things, especially with player involvement gets people excited!
Kronwag's timezone concerns are important too... I hope to try and address some of that at the Outpost...my available gametime has switched and now I can't make the Outpost events myself! But perhaps with a nice aura of RP magic, I can carry some of that to the later times.
Anyway, I like the OSP, it's challenging, but fun....hmmm...."challenging, but fun" sounds like what I look for in a game! \\o//
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I vote yes. While i agree with what the no people said I think having maybe 4ish OSP guilds total would not much harm. Spreading OSP too much wouldn't be advisable but I also think that we could afford a couple more OSP guilds/organizations.
I would say focus more on reinforcing the existing OSP projects before creating more.
The only people who can work on reinforcing the existing OSP projects are members of those OSP projects themselves (and the GMs by aiding them as agreed or whatever). Sure, we could all join the two current OSP projects but then it's like everyone is an OSP member...
In my opinion we can pick a couple more but make sure that the RP those next winners offer is as diverse and interesting as the RPs and Events that have been conducted by our current OSP members.
I concur with Rigwyn and verden, unless you are referring to an OSP for chaotic guilds.
An OSP for chaotic guilds would be awesome and it would add to the diversity of the OSP winners.
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I'm not sure how a OSP for a Chaotic guild would work. Remember the Octarchy isn't going to be supporting any kind of project that would support unlawful activities. I think the better approach for a Chaotic guild would be to do something like the Stonehead. The Stonehead isn't a OSP project but it did have Dev/GM support to get things set up and allow the players who are interested run the place.
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Yeah. OSP for a chaotic guild would have to be done either similar to how the Outlaws did with the Red Crystal Den originally or it could not actually be called an 'OSP' but maybe instead have an alternate evil funder.
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I propose: [LSD] Legion for Societal Decay
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I could go for some LSD, sounds great.
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I'm not sure how a OSP for a Chaotic guild would work. Remember the Octarchy isn't going to be supporting any kind of project that would support unlawful activities. I think the better approach for a Chaotic guild would be to do something like the Stonehead. The Stonehead isn't a OSP project but it did have Dev/GM support to get things set up and allow the players who are interested run the place.
I was referring to this post on the original thread (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34556.msg397273#msg397273):
And regarding the evil counterpart, yes, we are planning one. I'd personally like to see how this one goes first.
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I wish the Knowledge Seekers were ready to handle all the same efforts again we did last time. But at the moment, I hardly ever meet my people, especially not Adoryn.
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An area for chaotic interests could be provided for using elements in-game through Kistol or camp banishment ( the area would still be OSP just not in title ) In the forums it would remain an OSP contest. In-Game the the NPC rogues could be used to establish the setting. It would still be OSP just not IC. I am sure this has been looked at. Just adding my thoughts.
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We still wanna hear more thoughts, folks. Keep voting.
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i vote yes! i think its great how the stonehead tavern works with the red crystal den and the red crystal den works with the outpost....giveing food and advertising tours and all, cant wait to see other great events and ideas!
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I think the more OSP areas we have the more opportunities you are giving people to RP. Each OSP area will have it's own special setting which will lead to different types of RP's. I think if you make it easier for people to RP then hopefully more people will try it. And more areas will lead to more types of RP's
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I reckon it'd be fantastic to have another OSP Contest! :]
Maybe we could get a sanitarium bigger than a tent?
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Hello,
I also hesitate with having too many OSP places because of the few players ingame.
But saying there should be no more would be unfair for the ones who missed the first or didn't win that time. So right now Im wondering if there would be enough applications? If there are several good ideas it might be time for another one.
Sen
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Then focus on things that are needed. Think of interesting experiments to try. The guaranty of success is what holds most innovation back.
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Basically, what we want to know is if there's people out there ready to participate. Having few players or little RP in some areas is really not a barrier here but a reason to support original ideas. What Illysia, Elady, and all the gug tavern staff have proven is that you can bring RP to any place if you just put your back into it. With more players willing to take on tasks like this and get actively involved in improving the RP scene in Laanx, we're sure we'll achieve the kind of atmosphere we aim at.
Perhaps we are ready to choose one more member for the OSP. Perhaps three or maybe none at all. That's what we're trying to figure out.
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For the Knowledge Seekers - maybe not "right now"... Andoryn is missing, Tuathanach moving and without internet.
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Disclaimer:
This post was written by both Aiwendil and Lhaa and all you read below has been agreed upon.
We voted no.
For several reasons, some already mentioned in this thread, questioned even.
Let's see...
Basically, what we want to know is if there's people out there ready to participate.
First and foremost, there are NO people out there ready to take on with an OSP area. There are not even enough players online most of the time to make one of them busy (considering 75% if not more of the players are training/mining and the count at peak times hardly goes over 100). This whole thread sounds as we're talking of a massive playerbase and that's too far away from what we have now to make any sense at all.
If you ask whether there are enough ideas to have a contest, then sure, we're aware that so many players want their ideas to be put to practice and many contestants will turn up.
Now, what happens when those players win the contest and must put it to practice themselves? How many committed players (committed enough to stick to the OSP rules) do you think there are to run an area?
Guess we should present some data, since it seems like this is something we can really talk about.
- The RCO has now a list of chars that goes past 40 members.
- The RCO has, to the date, kept to all OSP rules, breaking none at all.
- The RCO has now recently run its 4th monthly event.
- The RCO has, to the date, had trouble to run every single event regarding staff numbers.
- The RCO members have, in a high percentage, got busy in RL and have no time anymore for it.
- The RCO members have, in a high percentage, simply left the game since they joined it.
- The RCO members have, in a high percentage, dropped their interest in the OSP.
- The RCO struggles every month to keep up with the OSP rules, thus find enough players up to help staffing for events or even regular Den shifts.
- The RCO has, for the most part, no staff other than Managers up to run a shift in the Den often.
- The RCO struggles to recruit new members who do really want to contribute.
- The RCO is one of the current two OSP members.
Seems like the player support isn't that impressive, or is there something we're missing?
Let us see what instead is the average PS player interested in (logs from the last fashion parade's intermission):
(23:36:09) [Tell] Player A tells you: I take it the entertainment is reward enough?
(23:36:10) [Tell] You tell Player A: [auto-reply] [Sorry, in the middle of an event. Will take some time for me the answer]
(23:36:39) [Tell] You tell Player A: [Sorry..don't get it....reward for who?]
(23:36:56) [Tell] Player A tells you: ((The attendance of the fashion show))
(23:36:57) [Tell] You tell Player A: [auto-reply] [Sorry, in the middle of an event. Will take some time for me the answer]
(23:37:14) [Tell] You tell Player A: [LOL...why should they get a reward? We do a show for them ;)]
(23:37:20) [Group] Aiwendil says: ROFL
(23:37:33) [Group] Aiwendil says: got a tell from Player A if there is any reward for the audience
(23:37:36) [Group] Lhaa says: LOL
(23:37:41) [Group] Dalgin says: LOL
(23:37:42) [Tell] Player A tells you: ((Heheh))
(23:37:42) [Tell] You tell Player A: [auto-reply] [Sorry, in the middle of an event. Will take some time for me the answer]
[ Barely five minutes later.... ;) ]
(23:42:19) Player A nods, "Yes, she seems quite busy at the moment"
(23:42:54) Player B smiles "Fine well then we go on and train."
(23:43:06) Player A nods, "Alright"
(23:43:20) >Player C nods in agreement.
(23:43:37) Player B takes a sip of her beer
(23:44:00) Player B smiles "Well lets go."
Now you know ;)
As counterpart to GM events, OSP events are meant for player entertainment through RP. They are no race to type the first line that will give you this or that item, they are no dueling contests, they are not even wit contests, even if presented as one. They are simply events made to entertain the player and his/her character by providing roleplay. A large amount of the PS playerbase can't figure this out, though, which means you can't count on all that large amount of the PS playerbase for something like this. You'll get nothing out of them.
player run everything is great!
Of course, player-run everything is great until you have to run it.
Where are the players who will run this?
The consistency of the poster makes for the reliability of the message: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35574.msg409590#msg409590
I vote yes. While i agree with what the no people said I think having maybe 4ish OSP guilds total would not much harm. Spreading OSP too much wouldn't be advisable but I also think that we could afford a couple more OSP guilds/organizations.
The question is, how many people can and seriously want to spend 2-3 daily hours into the OSP?
I would say focus more on reinforcing the existing OSP projects before creating more.
While they are doing great, the number of RPers in game is fairly small. I would worry that
adding more OSP areas might weaken the existing projects by dilluting the population that
has started to form.
This comes from somebody who has worked in such OSP areas and knows what's cooking there. He has, just like us, seen the problems we run into and how hard is it to fix them when it comes to finding the right people for it.
We can only agree with his words.
Are there really enough players online ever to have 10 RPing at BD, 10 RPing at Ojaveda, 10 RPing at Gugrontid, 10 RPing at Hydlaa's OSP place 1, 10 RPing at Hydlaa's OSP place 2, 10 RPing at Kada El's, 5 RPing at Harns, 5 RPing at Trasok's, 5 RPing at the Magic Shop, 5 RPing at the library?
That makes 80 players IG dedicated to roleplay, which is more than 50% of the PS population at any time of the day. This, that can hardly not be taken as a joke, is something that won't happen even in our sweetest dreams.
Taking this into consideration, and the fact that about 75% of the actual RPers have either an RCO or OL character, meaning one only OSP project struggles while using most of the "resources", we think it's safe to say that unless we're speaking of smaller enterprises or single player proposals this will hardly ever work out. And as things look like now, we don't see more than one, maybe two players who could succeed.
Another mistake most of the posters committed and that shows what confusion there is yet about the whole OSP thing is mentioning the Stonehead Tavern. That is no OSP area and doesn't have to follow the same rules as any of the OSP members:
3. Each semifinalist guild shall receive a maximum of 10 minutes in order to present their ideas to the Jury, after which they will have to answer the questions of the panel. These presentations will be open to the public.
There wasn't any presentation of the Stonehead for the OSP Jury. The Stonehead is sponsored by a Vigesimi and works different than the OSP areas.
2. All proposals must be RP oriented. Originality and functionality will be major factors to determine the winners. Winning guilds are expected to hold events on a regular basis and involve the community in them as much as possible. They must announce their events in the In-Game RP Board of the PS Forums and work actively to involve as many players as possible in them and promote good RP.
The Stonehead has to do nothing of this. They don't have to run any events to keep their privileges. The OSP members did plenty of such events already. And everyone who wants to apply for the next OSP event should be aware that this is a requirement. There is this thread (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35378.0) that explains how it has to be done.
Examples of such events:
- Join the caravan to the Lake of Tears (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35286.0)
- Lake of Tears Outpost Grand Opening (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35323.0)
- Red Crystal Den opening party (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35325.0)
- Theater play: Where Mining Gets You (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35474.0)
- Explorer Guided Tours - Announcement (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35559.0)
- Crafting Fair - [July 25, 2009] (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35562.0)
- The Red Crystal Amateur Evening (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35607.0)
- Magic Fair - [Saturday, August 22] (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35718.0)
- The Hydlaa's First Fashion Parade (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35808.0)
5. Winning guilds will receive money, items and even the buildings their proposals require but they will not be given any special treatment beyond that. They will be solely responsible for the organization of their events and the completion of their projects. GMs and Devs will not assist them nor give them special powers or access.
So whoever applies for the OSP need to be aware that they won't get any kikiris renamed, special knives for their cooks or other things that need GM involvement. We tried to get a shovel renamed to "Broom of doom" for some funny RP to wipe out the drunkards when we close the doors. That was rejected. We also wanted some Job-offering posters in Hydlaa...like the once of the Stonehead that are up for about 4 months now in all towns and only got one in front of the Den. So we can only repeat that the Stonehead should not be taken as example for the OSP members. It's not a OSP member, it has not the OSP privileges but many more, and it has none of the OSP duties to fulfill thus some completely different rules apply to it.
- Aiwendil
- Lhaa
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Disclaimer:
This post was written by both Aiwendil and Lhaa and all you read below has been agreed upon.
True, that. ;)
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First and foremost, there are NO people out there ready to take on with an OSP area.
I voted no too, but that doesn't mean the two of you can represent my opinion.
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As Aiwedil stated the Stonehead isn't an OSP area and thus we don't have a requirement to put on events. I will point out though that we have done one stand alone event at the Stonehead, the opening dinner of the Summer festival, and we have provided catering for all of the outpost OSP events and have supported events at the Den with catering. Also we are working on additional events to be held at the Stonehead.
I know that Aiwendil and Lhaa put a lot of time and effort into the Red Crystal events but I also know you can pull off events with a lot less effort. For example the community picnic that Lilura and I put in Hydlaa on the grass next to the Laanx temple. It was less than 24 hours from the time the idea the event was hatched 9 and the idea of the event was to give people somethign to do while the NPC client was down) to when the picnic happened and I think we had a pretty good draw for something that was put together on such short notice. The community picnic would not have been possible without the resources of the Stonehead. If the main idea of the OSP is to promote RP them maybe the strict structure of what an OSP project might need looking at. Is having monthly events more important than having a place/recourses that helps make RP happen in general?
Over the last 10 days I have been tracking how many people come into the Stonehead during my shifts to RP. I don't count people who just come in and run around without saying anything to anyone. Over the past 10 days we have been averaging just over 12 people per day with a high of 21 people ( twice) and low days of 4 and 5. Again what is more important having 20+ people together in one place at one time RP'ing or having places where 3 to 4 people on average are there? I think there are needs for both large events and smaller get togethers.
Maybe all OSP projects don't have to fit into the same mold ( ie all of them have to have monthly events) but all of them should at least encourage RP as their primary function.
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I think it is important to have the OSP to help fill in the gaps of the game with players rather than npcs and GMs. However, to answer the question from a personal perspective I am not ready for another contest. Now I'm not saying that others might not be ready, but I am saying that if there were to be a OSP contest I would not have my guild put forth an area for sponsorship, despite my interest in it. The reason being, I am still organizing a project of my own and having a hard enough time with that as it is. Perhaps in some months time I, and my guild, would be ready for such a responsibility. But right now it is not realistically possible for The Brigade and I wouldn't think for one minute I could pull it off.
With that answer I would also like to comment on some of the things said in the previous posts, hopefully I'm not hijacking the thread too much :whistling:.
I would have to agree with the player population and the numbers of players who are willing to actually make an attempt to RP and follow settings. I would second (or third) Aiwendil's post about the amount of work needed and the amount of work hands willing to do it (although I can't say too much because I haven't volunteered the most time to the Den, hopefully I can do so more in the future :thumbup:). But I noticed in their previous event (the fashion parade) they had to use multiple characters from one player to fulfill the staff required for such an event. Also the audience, although significant at the beginning, was only a handful of people at the end. So the amount of players willing to contribute to an OSP event and the players willing to use a OSP resource doesn't really justify another one at the moment.
But I would like to say something about the direction the Stonehead has taken. I think it is a fantastic way of contributing to the RP environment in a (for lack of a better term) less demanding way. I would encourage those who have voted 'yes' and have a project they want to start, first take the path the Stonehead has. It's still a lot of work but you won't be held to the same standards and requirements an OSP project will and gives you an opportunity to show the community your plans and commitment.
I think we will need OSP projects, 'Vigesimi' sponsored projects, and regular players holding events/projects to fill in the gaps in the game world. I think player run everything could be the best thing ever if players are responsible. But I think it needs to be a gradual transition, replacing npcs with players in small amounts over a longer duration. Think about it, there is probably as many npcs (not including monsters) in the game than there are players on most of the time. Most jobs in Yliakum are probably already covered by two or three npcs at least (however getting rid of them would be tricky because of how training works right now).
Right now there is a lot of unused space in Yliakum right now. Hydlaa alone has lots of building I could see as being something like the Den or other player run business/establishment. Perhaps instead of having another OSP contest buildings that are around the plaza should be auctioned off to groups of players who have put forth some sort of project they would like to have a building for. Although I can see this seriously back firing, I think if these are auctioned off to people that have shown they are responsible it could work. Perhaps these buildings could always be left unlocked and serve as various buildings you would find around towns: Inns, taverns, shops, etc. (But this would require some work for the devs too, by making different types of insides of buildings)
Although I've almost certainly swayed from the original topic of the thread I hope my post was worth something to someone, even if it is just a congrats for reading the lengthy reply.
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I voted yes.
Lhaa and Aiwendil's post made a case, but I can't say I agree with their argument. They assume that all OSPers must be hardcore RPers willing to put in HOURS of work EVERY day. The vaudeville requires that as a vaudeville would. However there are much simpler ideas out there, and I may look into an idea for the Enkidukai Alliance.
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I voted no. Based off the sole reason of lack of players, while I know this is a used argument. I do however believe their are commited players.
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There are committed players, and the lack of players isn't really that true. Not to cut you down for that. It was mentioned before.
OSP areas and the Stonehead are from my understanding experimental. Which means the ideas still are being built upon. Both area designs have provided what their goals were as far as I am aware. OSP promises monthly planned events and open RP opportunities. Both OSP areas are managed different, they have different rules and guidelines so the requirements needed and the outcomes are different based on the approaches they use. The Stonehead was meant to provide continuous RP opportunities and to provide an atmosphere that helps players to develop their RP by interacting with those that RP well. This is provided by the characters that stop by and by the staff present.
Both Designs have been successful, DUE! to the commitment of the players managing them. As IT was intended (with some or little help from the PS team) From what I gathered from the first round of the last OSP contest. It was only intended that they help you set the area up. After that it was up to the players WHO took on the responsibility to make it work. With an occasional OSP check on, to see how you are doing.
Does it require a lot of work - yes
Does it require a lot of time - yes
For those and a few more reasons I pulled the CoD's application in the first round, or rather decided we were not ready at that time to continue to pursue it. Fully aware at that time of the requirements and work involved. HOWEVER, that was based on how WE would have approached it with the idea that WE submitted. There are easier ideas and there are easier ways. That is dependent on the guidelines set forth from the party that is running the area. Let me quote Salona telling me about rules. "More rules mean more work :)" So some flexibility should be incorporated into the management plan to get it through slower periods.
So, maybe before we get into another contest, everything learned from the existing areas should be reviewed first.
[Sample questions]
What seems to work and what doesn't?
What would make it easier?
What problems are there?
What makes them successful and why?
What can be done to make the next OSP area successful? (based on what was learned from the first ones.)
What needs to be changed?
How should it be changed?
What could be changed?
Are the requirements to demanding? (based on the average player's playing time) If so how?
We already know who has a campfire, who has a Red Wand and who has a kikikiri (all pointless, falls under helping to set up the area)
So how about we offer some constructive information as feedback for a change.
I did see a post about OSP areas competing with each other. I disagree with this. If they do get into that, then there is little likely hood that they will be successful. Scheduling is important. In that they need to check either the forums or with each other first so that they do not over lap each other. So far as I seen this has been done, except maybe once but that was corrected. There is little difference from them posting their events and those posting other events. It is common courtesy to make sure you do not over lap someone elses planned event.
I do believe there is room for more OSP areas in-game. That there are able and willing players that can handle those areas successfully. That the ideas that they present can be adapted into the game without hurting the existing areas or themselves. That the participating number at events is overrated. The major topic here concerning OSP areas is RP. So, you might get a big crowd, you might not, more often not. But, ask yourself and the other players that participated if they enjoyed themselves. If the majority say yes, and most often they do, then that is all that matters in the end. The ones out mining and training will get tired one day and stop by to see what you are up to. They almost always do. Or, they go play WoW!
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I think that it would be a good idea for the people who bring the OSP into effect to do more research into server usage monthly, to see when peak periods of PlaneShift play are. Identify trends etc. to find when it is best to start an OSP competition, so that the winner(s) will exit the competition coming into a peak period of play, where there will be plenty of help.
I understand that Euro-winter (Northern Hemispheric winter) is a peak period, so organizing a competition to unveil the results about quarter of the way into winter is a good idea. Also, expectations should be dropped for 'dry' periods when the server has little usage, to allow the OSP winning teams to relax a little and plan larger events for more popular periods, which will in turn boost PlaneShift's numbers even further as people see what a game community is capable of.
Edit: changed some text that accidentally put a line through most of my post.
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Thank you all for your comments and votes.
Now, to make it clear, since apparently there is a misunderstanding about this issue: the OSP is an ongoing event but neither GMs nor Devs have ever claimed credit for the events thrown by OSP members. Their events are something we profit from as a network (in terms of RP in Laanx), like a parent company profits from its subsidiaries, but not something we ourselves see as our own merit. The hard work both The Explorers and the RCO put into throwing these events is commendable and a good sign that the privileges bestowed upon them are well placed. And here's another thing that needs to be clarified: becoming an OSP guild/organization is a privilege. You will be held to a higher standard and more will be expected from you, both in-game and out. In return, you will be given the room, feedback and autonomy to throw events regular players cannot. It is a job you're hired for and that demands constant work in order to keep. It is imperative that the community see that becoming an OSP member is not the result of favoritism but the acknowledgment of the players' creativity and RP skills. It is something one earns with their good performance in and out of the game and not something one is entitled to or that should be taken for granted.
Those in the OSP deserve the greatest respect for, as long as they are a part of this event, they represent some of the best our community has to offer in terms of RP.
Given the results of this poll, we're probably going to wait a little longer before throwing a new contest but we're evaluating other initiatives to allow payers to take on a more active role in the promotion of RP. Stay tuned.
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Having been almost completely ignorant of the original OSP, my fault I might add, can I just add a few things...
1) Yes it was well IG/forums publicised this Competition but alienated us Powerlevellers...so we kinda felt left out..Sheesh! A very muted why? **
2) Bloodedirishman had it bang on..lack of players IG at any one time to give justice to the winners ideas, was this not forseen ? The time of year etc..
As for the devs & GM's, Sterling job chaps keep it up.
I voted yes
** Can I add we knew this was an Rp Compo & it had our blessing. We just knew we could not fulfill any of the concepts that were picked.
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This post was written by both Aiwendil and Lhaa and all you read below has been agreed upon.
Thank you Dajoji for clearing up an issue that seems we and others misunderstood.
In regard to our vote: what we wanted to say in this and other threads (and it's something that becomes apparent when you read the former OSP threads) is merely that the OSP itself was created to support RP on Laanx in a wider range than it had been supported before, but that this doesn't mean the GM or Dev teams will be there to do the work for any OSP members or to always solve a problem an OSP member ran into, and that players applying for it should take this into account. The team gives us freedom to run the RCO as we please, and we, in return, don't ask them for any further help, which we think is fair for both sides. This doesn't mean we aren't, sometimes, asked if everything is alright or if we do need something ideas-wise. Simply that, besides the starting kick which we are of course grateful for, nobody applying to the OSP should expect help like spawning monsters or handing out special items for their events by GMs/devs. But the PS team offers advice and suggestions for events. Up to now we didn't need that for our events, but we appreciate to know that we can come and ask for example if a specific event we have in mind is against any laws in Yliakum or how the team thinks our events could be made more popular.
The OSP event was/is a premier, so it's only natural that there are some ongoing adjustments on how it is handled. Rules like this (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35378.0) of course have to be added after seeing that there is some confusion about the OSP event. Up to now it wasn't mentioned anywhere that OSP members are privileged or have to fulfill a higher standard out-of-game too. At the start the OSP event looked to us, and we think to most other players too, amongst other things like a reaction to the complaints about the last guild house auctions (please correct us if this statement is wrong). This event was a very welcomed alternative for RP guilds to come up with plans for promoting roleplay on Laanx, and not only the OSP members should be (and are) grateful for this enterprise but also the rest of the players that benefit from it but don't have to work to enjoy it. Such privileges do imply an amount of work the OSP members do to entertain other players, they are not given for the sake of it.
That said, we of course take the needed changes into consideration, and tried to and will try to stick to them as best as we can. Anything else we may disagree in regard to other topics has nothing to do with the OSP or the events we run for it and it never was our intention to mix them up. In this post we are only trying to make sure our words aren't taken in the wrong way, so please refrain from starting another discussion in this thread, it's not the right place to (if there is one).
1) Yes it was well IG/forums publicised this Competition but alienated us Powerlevellers...so we kinda felt left out..Sheesh! A very muted why? **
We can only try to answer the question from the point of view of the players who enjoy roleplaying far more than leveling. For some players it was about the same feeling with the last guild house auction and the high prices, and that's (we think) one of the things that caused the start of this event. GMs put up a lot of events in which non-Roleplayers have an easy way into and it's very hard to make an event that pleases everybody, so in our opinion it was only fair to have an event directed more towards Roleplayers. Can't tell if an event of the same nature (help-wise) but in which roleplay isn't needed is a possibility, though.
Thanks for this post Dragnoor, we appreciate the way you wrote it.
-Aiwendil
-Lhaa
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Disclaimer:
This post was written by both Aiwendil and Lhaa and all you read below has been agreed upon.
Yes, true.