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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Akkaido Kivikar on November 16, 2009, 12:06:49 am
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I'm just wondering, for the sakes and purposes of RP, how a body gets from Yliakum to the DR after death.
Is it whisked away by Dakkru, leaving only a bit of spilt blood on the ground, or do the citizens throw it down the burial pit, which drops it into the DR?
Is the body not even taken, but just the soul?
Also, if the person in question is beheaded, or has a limb removed in the fight which kills them, do they forever lose that limb (in the case of the head, true death ensues), or does Dakkru restore it?
I've always wondered.
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The only part I know for sure is about the limbs.
Basically, if cutting off the limb kills them (as the head), they keep it when they get to the Death Realm. But if they lose a limb, survive, get healed, the limb is gone forever. As far as a specific time frame, I was never informed.
But yes, this is how you truly pwn baddies. Chop off a limb. One by one. Make sure they don't die. Then they become a useless lump that can't do anything, and can't come back 2 min after you kill them and resume evil as normal.
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very interesting bit of insight there Timmothy...the last part about the removing of limbs... :)
Akkaido... I don't know the answer..(so why give one some might ask *shrug*), but my experience has been that the body essentially dematerializes after a few moments. Perhaps that's Dakkru taking them. I am of the belief that the entire body and soul go down with Dakkru...
The tossing down the Burial Wells if for true-death as far as I know.
That's my current view...
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a short while after death, the body fades away/is taken by dakkru. the purpose of burial wells is to provide an isolated, contained area to pile up true-dead corpses. there's no reason to throw a non-true-dead corpse in a well if it's going to disappear.
both soul and body are taken to the death realm.
dakkru restores/heals all severed limbs and injuries inflicted just before death. if the body has time to heal in yliakum, limbs can't be restored. idk anything about beheading, but considering you die at almost the exact moment you're beheaded, it should be counted as a non-true-death. just like losing any other appendage.
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In my former guild we came across the problem what happens with cut-off limps if the person die. So we asked settings:
I asked Xillix about what happens if for example a hand is cut off and the person dies. Will the hand miss? Will it go to DR, too? Here is the answer:
if the person is fully healed before dying the hand would still be missing.
If someone dies in the same accident or incident that caused them to lose their hand they would be whole on existing the DR.
This leaves some "intepretation". I think this is no big issue at all.
I also think, this makes sense. As in RL, you still can attach a severed limp if not too much time has passed. You can think of it like this: A severed hand still has some "life" in it. If the person dies, all body parts of them go to DR. Only if there are body parts that are lifeless, this should not work. I already await your protest, but I think this should count for all ways of death: Decapitation, burning to death, total shreddering etc.
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So i assume that is would also apply to any body part lost during a fight, fingers, ears, heart (if one decided to cut one out with a rusty spoon for a Dakkru ritual) as long as you were killed/suicided.
Would this fact also be common knowledge? so if you have your leg chopped of and someone starts to heal you, you could just kill yourself knowing that you would get it back?
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If you look at the three books in the DR library they talk about death and the death realm in very good detail.
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Keep in mind that ingame books are IC and meant to be written by an inhabitant of Yliakum. They might contain flaws or even lies. If you would play according to these books, potential lies would be made true.
For knowing how to play PS properly you need proper OOC background knowledge. Using ingame content I think is rather
inappropriate.
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All books in the Death Realm library and the Hydlaa library are in accordance with the settings.
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In my former guild we came across the problem what happens with cut-off limps if the person die. So we asked settings:
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This leaves some "intepretation". I think this is no big issue at all.
I also think, this makes sense. As in RL, you still can attach a severed limp if not too much time has passed. You can think of it like this: A severed hand still has some "life" in it. If the person dies, all body parts of them go to DR. Only if there are body parts that are lifeless, this should not work. I already await your protest, but I think this should count for all ways of death: Decapitation, burning to death, total shreddering etc.
Not only that, but if one wanted to keep their limbs, they could sort of take advantage of the situation by letting themselves bleed to death. Technically, the limb should be replaced if they bleed to death from losing it.
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Well with all this talk about limbs going to the DR, I need some answers too I guess :P My poor krans foot got smashed to dust by a mean dwarf >.> Since krans technically don't have blood they are just rock will kra ever get kras foot back? Maybe Kili will just hop on one foot forever :(
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They are not just piles of rock .. but regardless if he lost a limb and did not die from it then he is doomed to hobble around unevenly.
I do know of a certain DIaboli would would consider providing him with a spare foot for a price. :innocent:
You would need a healer to re-attach it.
Also the color of the foot might not match but that could be fixed with a tall boot or some knee high socks ;D
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I would just like to point out that you suggested that dying isn't as bad as losing a limb.
This emphasizes everything wrong with any sort of conflict ingame.
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That's correct. Losing a limb permanently is much worse than daying in game. Death in game is far less severe than death in real life.
It would be better for you to compare losing a limb to +true death+
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True Death doesn't happen.
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It does and it has.
There was a corrupt goverment official ( a vigisimi or an octarch ) who was tossed into the crystal via a megaras.
When someone experienced regular death there is no guarantee that they will come back.
If compared to real life I would put this somewhere between a life threatening injury and death.
The loss of a limb while not as threatening in the short term
Would leave one dibilitated for life - unless its possible for a very powerful mage
To make the limb grow back.
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No. True Death does not happen. Here let me give a specific example:
Alirukell. Who remembers when he used to have TEH EPIC MAGICK BATTLES in the tavern basement? In the rare case when the combatant didn't become bored of the godmodding and circular fighting and let Alirukell win simply to end it, Alirukell would die, and a couple hours later be back performing his "villainry"
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So what I gather here is "True Death only happens to disposable GM characters in-game because everyone else is a Mary-Sue-playing-godmoder". ::|
Getting back on the subject of the lost limbs, I realize there are those that would rather lose their limb and not end up in the Death Realm - however, there are also people that'd rather take any chance they can to save a limb. Particularly one that they like. For example, my character is very fond of her legs and feet - she can't do her job without them. *Cough* The fact she actually likes the Death Realm aside, she would rather let herself bleed to death and regain them than to go without. Of course, if it were, say, her pinky or her tail, she wouldn't make so much effort.
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Being that all people can have another chance in the living world should they die; but not (ussualy) another chance at a vital limb, then logically a person would rather prefer death over the permanent loss of a limb. However if a person is fearful of death, and rightly so, then their response is unpredictable. Yet if your character does not fear death (I am not referring to the established 'NO FEAR!' credo) as a Dakkru follower would, then it's not a burdening choice.
As for players who most likely should have died a true death or lost a limb: I can only shrug, as it's perfectly understandable why they chose not to.
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Ask the executioner in Hydlaa about his job and about death, he will explain to you that "True Death" can be performed, in several ways. One is a special poison the axe gets covered with.
You will find him between East Passage and Jayose's Library.
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P.S.:
You talked about losing limbs before entering the Death Realm.
I remember reports of a roleplay with the different direction -- losing limbs while leaving it. In case I remember correctly. Ask the House Cheshire...