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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Sarras Volcae on November 20, 2009, 04:06:36 am
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this is about school. not asking for homework help this time, don't fret....
i've always been a good student. mostly the top in my class, until now. feels like my teachers are shoving their political agendas down my throat and forcing me to say/write things that are personal or against my views. they don't teach facts, they're teaching views that i don't share. i do not agree with the work they're having me do. i'm finding it hard to keep myself from tearing the heads off annoying classmates lol... so i'm rly distressed. i can't take this crap anymore. i no longer have respect for the teachers or school. actually i wouldn't mind dropping out or joining the military.
would be thankful for any advice. irl i'm bad about speaking my feelings and no one knows me here so that's why i posted this! ekjzhzkkahsh (yes that was necessary)
also, stfu in advance, timmothy
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Stay in school. And if your teacher's present a view opposite your own then understand why they take that side. There is a saying that understanding other ways should make you more in accord with your own. Take the opportunity to learn to think from the other side of the table, as that alone is an important life skill. It teaches you to make a more compelling argument on your side.
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See if you can talk with the higher-ups (principal, maybe the school board if it's that bad) about it. If that doesn't work, just write BS papers the teacher would agree with and hope for better teachers in the next school.
Also, I don't suggest joining the military, but...that's yet another matter of someone else's views vs yours, now, isn't it? :P
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also, stfu in advance, timmothy
OH SHI-
She predicted the future. A witch!
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I know exactly what you are going through.
Your Choices:
Problems with Teachers:
a) Pull papers, essays and work out of your ass and conform.
b) Pull papers, essays and work out of your ass and silently fume.
c) Dont play to the work they really want, and get a bad grade.
d) Talk to them, they might be reasonable or not. If they are then, a) You'll communicate and do better. b) A, or B or C
e) Leave.
Problems with Students:
a) Humiliate them in class.
b) Get to know them and educate their sorry ass.
c) Leave.
On another note, communication with teachers is ussualy key. With students, you might have to be cruel, that is the way of dealing with immature peers.
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I had a college professor that prefaced the entire course with "Just write down what I tell you on the tests, and you can feel however you want about it outside the classroom." Too be perfectly honest, it's not a half-bad way of going about things... just because you are learning about something doesn't mean you have to believe it. For example, you can study the tenants of a different religion but, that doesn't make you a follower. ;)
Just write what they want, keep your head down... and save your arguments for people that are actually worth the time.
...actually i wouldn't mind dropping out or joining the military.
Yes you would, you just don't know it yet. ;)
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I am slightly curious about facts... just wonder if your teachers prefer opinions over facts in a scientific context (like, creationism vs. evolution) or in a subjective context (like, ethics is a matter of subjective opinions for sure).
Having a different opinion in a subjective context is useful, so everyone can learn argumenting. Religions are a special issue (at least in Germany), teachers are not allowed to enforce any {world view / ideology}, they are only allowed to teach facts about them.
Having a different opinion in a scientific context can be harder, because one of both sides can be proven wrong by facts, but here you can learn proving.
Under any circumstances, if you are not happy with a current situation, talk - using more facts and arguments than emotions -
1) with the opposing person
2) with a superior if 1) fails [recursively]
BTW: I was on a scientific special school; we got a new teacher who failed her start by first treating us like 5th-graders (introducing the science to us from the beginning), then treating us like university students (surpassing the course of instruction by far) ... unfortunately we had to make her leave the class crying, before she was ready to find an agreement with the headmaster and the pupils' spokesperson. Finally she made it so well, we would have invited her even to the school trip.
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i'm half way curious what class these fellows are teaching.
oh, if you think that have views youdon't like taught to you is nasty... the military does more than views, and force feeds you.
and dropping out of school is perhaps the dumbest thing you can think of doing.
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i'm half way curious what class these fellows are teaching.
an example is my history class. imo it's turned into modern conspiracy theories 101. we're being (re)taught history in more detail, however the teacher incorporates her political agenda into everything. one reason i'm pissed is that our assignments require that we agree with her, and the other students tools have already begun to.
oh, if you think that have views youdon't like taught to you is nasty... the military does more than views, and force feeds you.
then good that i agree with it (mostly).
and dropping out of school is perhaps the dumbest thing you can think of doing.
probably is lol.... doesn't seem like a bad decision now, given my situation (another situation, not the school one). i wouldn't though. just feels like school has failed me, and i'd probably be better off teaching myself real facts. but that isn't going to get me any diplomas or degrees.
the decision is made! i'll bs it, humiliate everyone who pisses me off, and tell the teachers what i think. watch me fail at life. ;D
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conspiracy or revisionist?
i'm now interested can you give us examples?
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Sometimes you just have to game it.
For your own sake, do what you need to do in order to make the grade and then move on.
Your teacher's opinions won't matter once you get your grade and move on.
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i wouldn't say my teacher's a conspiracy theorist... she just has a major distrust in government. i think she was never exposed to the, uh, harsher world out there. she's not able to appreciate her country and pampered life.
Sometimes you just have to game it.
For your own sake, do what you need to do in order to make the grade and then move on.
Your teacher's opinions won't matter once you get your grade and move on.
that's a good point. i'll have to remember that.
thanks guys
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Sarras, remember it is best to forgive those who do not treat you well, and to love those who do. With forgiveness there is always a positive outcome.
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Governments in the western world (and probably everywhere else) are generally beholden to the big bankers. Blind trust in the political leaders is not good for your health.
Politics is a game played by cynical people for their own benefit. Nobody is looking out for you.
Surely it is a great boon to live in the developed world. Just as surely there are idealists out to improve the world, they just rarely get anywhere and those that do are often misguided.
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Be happy you don't live in a pseudo-socialistic (like the former GDR) or pseudo-communistic (like the current China) country. Those systems will tell you even more nonsense and premade opinions.
The Minister of Education in the GDR, Margot Honecker - who was also the wife of the Privy Council Chairman (sovereign) Erich Honecker - was secretly called "Mis(s)-Education". Recently she celebrated 60 Years of GDR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJ92C-AKfQ) in her exile in Chile (the GDR hardly approached her 40th anniversary before the revolution and reunion of Germany happened) and still believes she did it well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4GA27NpfkM).
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Be happy you don't live in a pseudo-socialistic (like the former GDR) or pseudo-communistic (like the current China) country. Those systems will tell you even more nonsense and premade opinions.
this is exactly what i'm trying to tell my teacher. i've even been to freakin china. i've seen some of the crap going on there. my teacher does not understand what it is like to live under those conditions. even i don't fully understand it, but i'm at least able to appreciate that my country isn't full of bs and poverty.
this is something i've slowly begun to realize. it's impossible for anyone--meaning anyone--to gain any kind of appreciation for something they've always lived with, until they've experienced a complete lack of what they take for granted. you can be the wealthiest man alive with the most degrees and certifications and all that, but you can still be an ignorant, oblivious, utterly naive idiot.
lol, i'm just ranting now :-X
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i'm at least able to appreciate that my country isn't full of bs and poverty.
What the heck country do you live in? Doesn't sound like any I ever heard of. Maybe you ought to look around on the wrong side of the tracks sometime.
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Prolix, look up Sealand. They have no poverty in that country. ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
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i'm at least able to appreciate that my country isn't full of bs and poverty.
What the heck country do you live in? Doesn't sound like any I ever heard of. Maybe you ought to look around on the wrong side of the tracks sometime.
the usa isn't full of poverty. sure there's some, but no, it's not full of it.
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Ima say you go to a village in africa, where everyone is struggling to have enough food and water to eat and there'll be a lot less bs than in America.
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Ima say you go to a village in africa, where everyone is struggling to have enough food and water to eat and there'll be a lot less bs than in America.
Indeed.
Conversation between two american brats
Brat #1 "My moms a total #&#& for not buying me a XBOX!"
Brat #2 "Dude I know my mom wont even buy me call of duty the day it came out"
Brat #1 "Im so tired of their crap"
Brat #2 "Yeah they are so full of it"
That's common thoroughfare between american children. An example of unnecessary bull in the US.
i'm at least able to appreciate that my country isn't full of bs and poverty.
What the heck country do you live in? Doesn't sound like any I ever heard of. Maybe you ought to look around on the wrong side of the tracks sometime.
the usa isn't full of poverty. sure there's some, but no, it's not full of it.
By far, and without question the inhabitants of the US receive more opportunity than anyone else. They are blessed with comforts few have around the world.
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Poverty is a relative thing. Minimum wage where I live ($9.50/hour) is below the poverty line but many people, particularly immigrants can't find a better paying job. A lot of places in the world that kind of pay would make you quite well off but the cost of living in those places is significantly lower. The way the economy has been going all the fantastic new jobs governments claim are being created from bank and industry bailouts are at the bottom end of the pay scale and the bosses are making out like bandits. Utter BS. America is different from a lot of the world because there was a substantial middle class but it has been under assault for years.
Claiming special perspective because your daddy could afford to take you to China (for the Olympics?) wouldn't mean much to someone who can't afford to go further than the city limits. For every one person that makes it out of the poverty trap there are dozens more who do not.
All the same good luck whatever you end up doing, getting an education of whatever kind is probably your best bet and as you get older you may find your views changing.
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prolix, because i think online arguing is weak and you obviously don't know anything about me, i'm not responding to your post. but i will tell you to reread my posts since it looks like you didn't really get them.
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here is a bit of a view that has been settling in with me....perhaps since I am on the "dark side" now...
School is more than just being taught information. It's more than being taught the correct information. School...Mainly highschool and college, is more like long test or right of passage. The main question is: "Did they make it?" i.e. survive the challenges successfully. "Challenges" are the main. Challenges with teachers, challenges with peers, challenges with temptations...etc...etc
It is an environment to test one's ability to manage complex and often conflicting circumstances. Especially in college the question is: "Was the student able to successful navigate the curriculum. We set out some cantankerous instructors and shady information...and the bars are open all night....how did they deal with it...etc.
It's a reflection of how prepared one is for a future job. Corporate world....is basically highschool and you need to have been a smooth operator in highschool do mesh well with it.
Very independent? Confident? Bit rebelleous.... this will point towards the performing arts, or perhaps medical... (basically work on your own and get things done your own way.)
stuff like that.
To put my geek hat on. Treat school as a quest, and beat them all at their silly little game.
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i think online arguing is weak and you obviously don't know anything about me
Nice retort. So when you said 'need advice' you actually meant, "don't disagree with me, because you know nothing about me and online arguments are weak, so screw off".
Productive.
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Get your thoughts on whatever the matter is, and just call her out in class.
No rule against that.. as long as you don't start cussing, throwing crap, and screaming.
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Now now T.P. no need to get huffy.
It is true I know little about Sarras. I think she is a young woman in the later years of High School. I also think that she comes from the upper middle class, possibly a diplomat's child. At any rate I did read all the posts and perhaps disagree on the meanings of what has been said particularly "full of poverty". You never have to go very far in America to see a poor person, it could be the pan handler or it could be the scullery maid or native on the reservation. Certainly the top 5% own 95% of everything and that doesn't leave much for anyone else.
I think she is looking at the veneer and saying "what a fine piece of furniture" not realizing that is is just made of particle board. There are a lot of good people in America, some of them are my relatives but the people in power are not so wholesome whatever image they project.
One only has to look at the plethora of crap available on television to see American indoctrination in action. It is more subtle than the commies were but it is just as prevalent. In fact I would say it is more pervasive due to the easy availability of cultural instruments such as radios and televisions. The newspapers are getting more homogeneous every day and the wealthy drown out dissenting views reflexively
But hey, follow the yellow brick road and you will come to the emerald city, okay?.
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/me followed the yellow brick road until he saw the dog.
but high school is the time in which you learn 2 things.
1. the stuff you need to know.
2. the basics
what you don't learn in high school
1. that it is just the basics
2. how to use the information
3. a long list of other practical suff judging by the calls that i take everyday
the above though assumes you're not going into the trades. in which you learn the basics, and that it is just the basics.
because there are the four stages of university
1. thinking you know everything
2. thinking you know something
3. thinking you know precious little
4. knowing you know precious little, but know how and where to find the answer
5. profit!
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4. knowing you know precious little, but know how and where to find the answer
5. profit!
You forgot ??
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It is true I know little about Sarras. I think she is a young woman in the later years of High School. I also think that she comes from the upper middle class, possibly a diplomat's child.
you got the first 2 right
At any rate I did read all the posts and perhaps disagree on the meanings of what has been said particularly "full of poverty". You never have to go very far in America to see a poor person, it could be the pan handler or it could be the scullery maid or native on the reservation. Certainly the top 5% own 95% of everything and that doesn't leave much for anyone else.
never said there wasn't poverty, but in the us the extent of poverty isn't so bad. if you think those are the bottom of society, you don't know p00p (lol). there's a lot worse than that. and, believe it or not, if most of those poor americans actually tried to "pursue happiness" they'd be a lot better off. they get themselves into that situation. i may sound rude, but that's the hard reality.
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Hahahahaha. An american teenager talking about reality.
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The topic has swung off in a different direction. It's a stalemate on different perspectives of reality, although some facts are muddled.