PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Akkaido Kivikar on December 05, 2009, 09:04:36 am
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I've noticed a sad trend lately.
Rather than lending a helping hand to newer, less experienced players on Laanx, alot of the RP community put them off due to a single 'lol' in Main or a smilie.
They get "[No OOC in Main.]" as if it's an automated reply. When I was new, I was lucky to not get this kind of stonefaced behaviour, instead, the RPer explained IC/[OOC] and how to act in Main.
I've seen it on the forums, someone asking about a non-RP server and being told to find a new game.
Then these very same players complain that there is less RP on Laanx.
People aren't going to take up RP if 1) they're put off by mean comments, or 2) they meet enough people with ill experience with these RP 'nazis' to persuade them that crowd isn't worth the trouble.
Why is there apparently less RP on Laanx today? Because the last generation of RPers were far more helpful to newbs, and taught them how to RP rather than expecting them to already know. It's alright to be grumpy if it's an EXPERIENCED player doing unbracketed in Main, but too often they're not experienced, or simply not experienced at RP but been in PS long enough to get that Plate armour that makes them look experienced.
We, as RPers, should spend as much time befriending these inexperienced, Main Tab lol'ers as we do RPing with our friends. Teach them the ropes, then they'll learn. Don't attack them or make them feel lower than you, sure it strokes your ego, but it is killing RP....
So yeah. Take up the responsibility of the generation before you, who have now left, and be friendly, helpful, -good- players and PlaneShift testers.
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I agree there used to be a more easygoing optimistic tone.
However,
There are less people who don't help new players than there are those who do. That is for certain. There might be cynical tones and pessimistic responses, but few veterans don't help newer players.
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I blatantly disagree, there was always the stonefaced "you're a noob, get the hell out" tone. When I was a newbie, I was afraid to go to the Tavern, or even Hydlaa for that very reason. Then I upped my game, until I was ready and achieved great success.
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When I was a newb.....oh dear...not long ago if you must know.
No one actually taught me how to RP. I learned by listening in on conversations, reading custom bios, and sometimes if I was by myself I would try doing other shortcuts. /wave /bow etc.
People never talked to me on my first char :P so I deleted it and created more complex characters with RPing potential. 3 were very successful and my RPing was more interesting.
So you see, I have a hard time trying to teach newbies cause no one taught me. I taught myself and I guess I expect newbies to do it too.
Sorry if I am harsh to newbs out there...
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From Forum Rules of Conduct (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=35709.0):
Re-post the same topic or material of a thread that has been closed by a moderator, or continue the closed discussion through a new thread.
This thread seems to continue from this other (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=36339.0) which was locked.
But while this thread is still open let me take the liberty to reply to personal bashings once again.
Okay Akkaido, let me see...
- Saddening is once again you accuse people without knowing how do they behave IG simply because you're on at different timezones than most you talk about. Stick to what you know.
- Saddening is you throw empty arguments over and over and mean to disguise them behind good intentions. Some others prefer to call things by their real name.
- Saddening is you scold people for telling others in main that OOC isn't allowed without knowing if any tells are going on. It makes sense to think people who don't want main polluted would use tells to explain things further.
- Saddening is you talk about helping the community when I haven't seen yet how did you do that. When is your market event (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=36079.msg410711#msg410711) going to happen?
- Saddening is chances are some newer players consider you a good RPer only due to your posts affirming such. No wonder RP quality and quantity on Laanx is low nowadays if this is what they mime.
- Saddening is you keep using the word nazi to tag players when you boy have obviously no idea of its meaning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism). Even more sad is some team members use (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=36199.msg412307#msg412307) it too thus push you to as well.
- Saddening is you say RPers don't help new players when most of them do that gladly. What some don't do is accept that players that were around for months/years still don't have a clue, you included.
- Saddening is you call people RPers when everybody in a RP game should be one. Something is really wrong when we are eating soup with a fork.
- Saddening is I have to use the word "RP" so many times in a post when only "playing" should be enough for everybody to assume that role-playing is implied. That awful it is.
- Saddening is you tell us the latest generation was better than the current when you weren't here to tell (that, or you have a pretty narrow concept of "generation" in which I am about 3 generations older). Try again in a year or two.
- Saddening is some attitudes grew sour over time because of posts and people like these. Maybe those people with attitudes don't see the point in trying to change the same situation once again because they can let new messiahs like yourself go on so that you can brag about it.
- Saddening is I have to waste my time replying to your hogwash instead of doing something productive. In the end I don't expect you to read or understand a single of my words.
- Finally, saddening is you have nothing better to do than to open threads to quote me, second time now no matter you used the name or not. We will see how long my post stays up this time.
But you don't have to worry about me, I don't play as much nowadays so I don't get much of a chance to make things sad where it matters: in-game. And certainly it's people like you who took the fun out of the game for me. Pick up a bottle of champagne and celebrate. ;)
...then ponder again if anything you did yet helped the community or harmed it...
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lol, burn.
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You didn't say the same the last time we spoke in guildchat. ;)
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Did I not? I make a point of noting burns. Apologies are due (before you write an essay on why(lol)).
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Thanks but too bad, I could definitely have amused you with it.
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But you don't have to worry about me, I don't play as much nowadays so I don't get much of a chance to make things sad where it matters: in-game. And certainly it's people like you who took the fun out of the game for me. Pick up a bottle of champagne and celebrate. ;)
Why would one player make you stop playing I wonder?
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Since this'll be locked anyway:
You're all stupid and smell funny.
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You mean it get locked after Lhaa posted and not for Akkaido taking up an already locked topic about being nice to new players?
Yes...I guess so too.
Oh..but maybe more than half a day is not long enough for moderators to lock a thread that is created to bash others and pickup an already locked topic....Let's see how long they will take to lock the thread after these posts.
Edit: typo
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The longer I follow these forums, the more shrinks my desire to return to the game once I have time again...
However, I must return... so many things undone, plans uncompleted...
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But you don't have to worry about me, I don't play as much nowadays so I don't get much of a chance to make things sad where it matters: in-game. And certainly it's people like you who took the fun out of the game for me. Pick up a bottle of champagne and celebrate. ;)
Why would one player make you stop playing I wonder?
I could possibly reply to this but it would be far too offensive even for one of my posts, so let's not spoil Akkaido's fun.
Besides I can't link you to threads that are not available to most users anymore.
But maybe derula just replied to this better than I could, even if he probably disagrees with me in the details. ;)
Edit: fixed Derula's gender.
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But maybe derula just replied to this better than I could, even if she probably disagrees with me in the details. ;)
(It's "he", by the way.)
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lhaa, aiwendil, it's about time you stopped victimizing yourselves. it tarnishes your reputation. i used to hold you guys in high regard, now i'm not too sure you should even be part of the osp (i think that's it). akaiddo's speaking about a general attitude i've also seen on laanx. put your derailguns away.
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Where there is love....I'll be there...I'll be there...
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No he is not. But his words aren't directed at you so I understand you don't interpret them in the same way. Quoting other people without using bbcode tags doesn't make others blind, though. ;)
i'm not too sure you should even be part of the osp
In this I have to give you the point. It's much better to have people who will sit and nod, and shut up when they are asked to.
it tarnishes your reputation
If I have a reputation it's already way too tarnished for me to bother about it. Otherwise I would use the same demagogy and rhetorics the OP did and save myself through them.
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The longer I follow these forums, the more shrinks my desire to return to the game once I have time again...
However, I must return... so many things undone, plans uncompleted...
As a new person to this forum, checking this game, I would like to know why you do not have the desire to return to this game?
I do love the game I play, but I thought I would try something new. I wonder if I should?
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The longer I follow these forums, the more shrinks my desire to return to the game once I have time again...
However, I must return... so many things undone, plans uncompleted...
As a new person to this forum, checking this game, I would like to know why you do not have the desire to return to this game?
I do love the game I play, but I thought I would try something new. I wonder if I should?
So your a new player, whose name is Happy, and your first post is in the topic named 'Saddening Attitudes'.
Oh yeah, you're definitely a new player who is asking these questions genuinely.
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As a new person to this forum, checking this game...
lol, says it all. But in an actual answer to a hypothetical person, the game is fun. Its escapist and distracts you from stuff you ought to be doing. What more reason to play a game do you need?
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@Happy: do you take pills to make you so?
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Frankly, Lhaa is dead on. I've been playing PS for at least twice as long as Akaiddo, if not more (I've been around since about halfway through 0.3, I never saw him around back in CB)...and I never had anyone teach me how to RP back then...I had to pick much of it up myself, with the exception of RPdueling, which Farren tutored me in.
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@Happy: do you take pills to make you so?
No I do not take pills to make me happy. I am a happy person mostly. Though this is not how I expect to be treated as a new comer sadly.
I always check a forum out before I play a new game. This community makes me wonder about this game I must say.
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imo, the community here is a lot nicer than the communities of other mmorpgs. but that's mostly due to its size and focus on roleplay. however, there are some players here with the napoleonic idea that they're so much bigger and smarter than noobs or casual players.
No he is not. But his words aren't directed at you so I understand you don't interpret them in the same way. Quoting other people without using bbcode tags doesn't make others blind, though. ;)
yes he is. and i know i'm not you, that's why i'm not getting so defensive. what you said was an example of the attitude he's speaking about. just because he's using your words as an example doesn't mean he's personally attacking you. get over it. it was rude to say in the first place.
Frankly, Lhaa is dead on. I've been playing PS for at least twice as long as Akaiddo, if not more (I've been around since about halfway through 0.3, I never saw him around back in CB)...and I never had anyone teach me how to RP back then...I had to pick much of it up myself, with the exception of RPdueling, which Farren tutored me in.
that's not the point!
the point of this thread is that the players now (doesn't matter if they were or weren't like this in the past) are unwelcoming to new players who don't know how to rp. no one gives a crap about the "golden generation" anymore. akaiddo, for some reason, was comparing the generations as a theme to his post, but he didn't seem to realize that's irrelevant.
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I always check a forum out before I play a new game. This community makes me wonder about this game I must say.
Don't let this bother you. The forums always go through these kinds of periods... it's the nature of forums. :) Now I wish I still knew where to find that one Ctr Alt Delete comic strip about forums being the lowest form of internet activity and the effect it has on one's brain. Neverthless, don't judge the game by the forums. Welcome and have fun. :flowers:
P.S.: Don't mind anything Timmothy says, he does it on purpose. ;)
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No I do not take pills to make me happy. I am a happy person mostly. Though this is not how I expect to be treated as a new comer sadly.
I always check a forum out before I play a new game. This community makes me wonder about this game I must say.
You know what's really sad, happy? When people with agendas stoop low enough to disguise themselves and portray themselves as something else in a spiteful way.
the point of this thread is that the players now (doesn't matter if they were or weren't like this in the past) are unwelcoming to new players who don't know how to rp. no one gives a crap about the "golden generation" anymore. akaiddo, for some reason, was comparing the generations as a theme to his post, but he didn't seem to realize that's irrelevant.
1. The forums have ALWAYS been infested with trolls and conflicts. Don't base your opinion of the game on this, because the problem causers in the forums are for the most part not important in game.
2. I_do_not_know a single person in game who blatantly does NOT help new players. What a baseless accusation to make. The community in this game is by far the best I have ever encountered or heard of. The vast majority of players in Planeshift are helpful to newcomers.
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No I do not take pills to make me happy.
I could hook you up - I know a guy, he knows a guy that's got access to the good stuff.
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the point of this thread is that the players now (doesn't matter if they were or weren't like this in the past) are unwelcoming to new players who don't know how to rp. no one gives a crap about the "golden generation" anymore. akaiddo, for some reason, was comparing the generations as a theme to his post, but he didn't seem to realize that's irrelevant.
1. The forums have ALWAYS been infested with trolls and conflicts. Don't base your opinion of the game on this, because the problem causers in the forums are for the most part not important in game.
2. I_do_not_know a single person in game who blatantly does NOT help new players. What a baseless accusation to make. The community in this game is by far the best I have ever encountered or heard of. The vast majority of players in Planeshift are helpful to newcomers.
1. i never mentioned the forums
2. you don't know? well i do, so my accusation isn't baseless. and yes, this is by far the best community, but that doesn't mean there aren't jerks here.
wait, why did you post that? you just confirmed everything i said :P
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1. i never mentioned the forums
The forums have ALWAYS been infested with trolls and conflicts. Don't base your opinion of the game on this, because the problem causers in the forums are for the most part not important in game.
Read the underlined section. You CANT make a generalization about the playerbase because you DONT know what you are talking about.
2. you don't know? well i do, so my accusation isn't baseless. and yes, this is by far the best community, but that doesn't mean there aren't jerks here.
2. I_do_not_know a single person in game who blatantly does NOT help new players. What a baseless accusation to make. The community in this game is by far the best I have ever encountered or heard of. The vast majority of players in Planeshift are helpful to newcomers.
You again, don't know the playerbase enough and your accusation is baseless.
ADDED: I find it hilarious when one person makes this kind of observation and all the yes men fall in line. You can't group the whole playerbase together and say it and make it valid. And if we're on the topic of experience, I've been playing for years.
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@Lhaa:
My original post was not entirely aimed at you, get off your high horse. It was about a general attitude I see alot in PlaneShift, which was backed up by one of your quotes on the forums. It's not a continuation of the thread in which you told a non-RPer to get lost. Really, I have better things to do with my time than argue with players who think Yliakum revolves around them, or should.
It's about a trend. About the things I have observed. About negative attitudes that need fixing. Players like me stop you from playing? See, it's funny you lay such a statement. Only once have I interacted with you in the game, and finding that you took your OOC dislike for me IC (even if subtly) I decided that spending 90% of my time in the quiet Ojaveda was a good idea. I'd assume you're not someone who frequents Ojaveda, or you'd see that I spend a fair amount of time being helpful to new players.
You don't frequent the same parts of PlaneShift as I do. When 0.5.00 was pre-released, I worked my furry butt off to get it working on my PC, and started reporting and helping with bugs. I took time out of my RPs and my time with my Clan to make sure this release got out as soon as I could help it. I'd call that contributing to the community, and the markets are on the way, along with other less-public events, it takes more than one person to build these things. And the Alliance is getting stronger, more people are joining.
You assume I'm just a player. You assume wrong. You assume my posts are aimed solely at you, another wrong assumption. My original post was aimed at all the RPers who act in that way. There's a reason they're called RP-Nazis. It's players like you that cause alot of newer or less strict-RP players to get scared off this game completely. Drink your champagne to that.
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Well, this is just my personal experience, but in my time playing Syenna on Laanx, I've run into very few players that actually want to roleplay. Most just seem to be busy killing things, which I have no problem with, and the extent of my interaction with those has been politely declining duels.
The saddening attitude I've encountered, though, is players not wanting to roleplay because they can't see some form of benefit from it. They don't seem to want to roleplay just for the sake of it; there has to be some OOC ulterior motive in place before they'll even deign to IC'ly give my fenki the time of day.
People never talked to me on my first char :P so I deleted it and created more complex characters with RPing potential. 3 were very successful and my RPing was more interesting.
Perhaps I ought to follow Dralion's path and try some other characters, but somehow I get the feeling my luck won't improve very much.
As for the few that have roleplayed with Syenna (particularly those in RHoP), thank you, I appreciate it immensely, and hope there will be more people like you in-game soon, or I might just give up and seek my roleplay fix elsewhere.
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I have to agree with Syenna, there's two sides to every coin. But perhaps some of these players are an after-effect of the behaviour I mentioned...
Sort of "Why roleplay, I will probably just be considered not good enough."
It's not encouraging to RP when you get told off for "Oh hello Akaiddo good see you :)"
And yes, I've seen someone get scolded for that, and he had very limited English skills and was trying his hardest. And he was rather upset by it, especially when the person reported him for replying "Oh sorry I try :("
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@bloodedIrishman: wtf man? i play ps. i don't base my opinions on the forum. it's full of whiny people anyway. don't make ASSumptions. also, read my posts again. i'm not arguing with you over something this stupid. if you can't understand my posts, give up and don't bother talking to me. btw, i never once mentioned the forums. don't know what you're on about.
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I haven't read the whole thread, so my reply may be way off.
I'd say in defense of the people who don't want to RP with newbies that it's difficult to tell which of the newbies are worthwhile and which aren't. I mean that from the point of view of who's going to stick with the game and who isn't. If you look at the number of accounts that have been created on PS vs. the number who ever really played the game for a meaningful amount of time, you can see that the vast majority of newbies aren't going to be around long. Unless you're an abnormally social or cheerful person, it's hard to want to be friendly to every single person who comes along despite the fact that you'll probably never see them again.
Now, you could argue that people being unfriendly is one of the reasons that so many of the newbies don't stick around, and that could be partly true. On the other hand, look at the sheer number of people who've tried PS out, and then take the number of people who actually left the entire game because one or two people didn't have a sunshine-and-daisies attitude toward them, and the percentage will be tiny. "Trial by fire" isn't nice, and it does have the possibility of killing off a small amount of people who might've been worthwhile members of the community, but on the other hand it's emotionally, mentally, and chronologically efficient.
That said, I'm not condoning people being jerks to newbies, I'm just saying that maybe it's not quite as horrible and community-destroying as is generally thought by the people who have the energy and desire to be nice to every single person, and maybe it's somewhat understandable.
Personally, my approach is generally to just be noncomittal. If I'm in a mood where I don't really want to pander to a newbie, then I'll be cold, without being mean. I'll reply to them, but not in a way that invites conversation (easy when RPing Phinehas). That way they leave me alone, but hopefully aren't offended personally.
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@bloodedIrishman: wtf man? i play ps. i don't base my opinions on the forum. it's full of whiny people anyway. don't make ASSumptions. also, read my posts again. i'm not arguing with you over something this stupid. if you can't understand my posts, give up and don't bother talking to me. btw, i never once mentioned the forums. don't know what you're on about.
Right, you go ahead and do that. You don't know what I'm talking about, and since I'm not getting through I agree, this is stupid.
Well, this is just my personal experience, but in my time playing Syenna on Laanx, I've run into very few players that actually want to roleplay. Most just seem to be busy killing things, which I have no problem with, and the extent of my interaction with those has been politely declining duels.
The saddening attitude I've encountered, though, is players not wanting to roleplay because they can't see some form of benefit from it. They don't seem to want to roleplay just for the sake of it; there has to be some OOC ulterior motive in place before they'll even deign to IC'ly give my fenki the time of day.
People never talked to me on my first char :P so I deleted it and created more complex characters with RPing potential. 3 were very successful and my RPing was more interesting.
Perhaps I ought to follow Dralion's path and try some other characters, but somehow I get the feeling my luck won't improve very much.
As for the few that have roleplayed with Syenna (particularly those in RHoP), thank you, I appreciate it immensely, and hope there will be more people like you in-game soon, or I might just give up and seek my roleplay fix elsewhere.
I've been through that, but one thing that you can do is try seeking other guilds and players, you might be missing the roleplays you want to be in.
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I've been through that, but one thing that you can do is try seeking other guilds and players, you might be missing the roleplays you want to be in.
I've been looking, but thus far, not only do I find hardly anyone (may just be the places I go and/or hours I'm on), but few of those even want to talk for more than five seconds.
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Join a guild. I prefer to invite newbs quickly and make them feel involved, and if they stop playing anyway, to then remove them after an inactive period, than to be picky about recruits.
That said, I have standards, and members who act up will be removed too.
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My original post was not entirely aimed at you
It was partly aimed at me. Thanks for giving me the point.
Only once have I interacted with you in the game, and finding that you took your OOC dislike for me IC
(00:19:28) Lhaa gives Akaiddo a soft smirk. "Welcome to th'Red Crystal Den. Can I offer you somethin' t'drink?"
(00:19:50) Scipion takes a long drink of the beer, listening curiously to the story
(00:20:19) Akaiddo smiles weakly. "No alcohol at the moment, I'm just passing through on Clan business."
(00:20:35) Akaiddo says: Thought I'd check the place out on the way through. Very nice.
(00:20:38) Detiey says: Hmm I guess it is good he has another girl... pehaps it will keep his atentions away from me..
(00:21:08) Detiey luaghs into her goblet of wine
(00:21:57) Detiey says: although... indeed, I need another escort...
(00:21:57) Lhaa shrugs her shoulders softly, holding the smirk as she replies to Akkaido. "We serve non-alcoholic drinks s'well." She says, then turns to Detiey and smirks to her. "S'his duty though, t'protect th'citizens no matter what."
(00:22:42) Detiey says: yes... so true
(00:22:45) Akaiddo says: Oh, no matter, I must be on my way to the Bronze Doors fortress anyway. Farethee well.
(00:23:12) Scipion takes a drink of his beer, waving farewell to the Menki
(00:23:44) Lhaa shrugs and gives Akkaido a short wave. "Goddess bless." She says, then turns back to Detiey. "Besides, you don't really think he does as th'klyros said, do you now?"
So much about my dislike towards you IG. I can't really chain you to the counter, can I?
Once again you use let's say... modified truths. ;)
I'd assume you're not someone who frequents Ojaveda, or you'd see that I spend a fair amount of time being helpful to new players.
I am not around Ojaveda and I honestly don't mind whether you help new players or not. Never said you don't.
I said that most players are friendly to new players who don't know how to RP, and that you shouldn't expect some people to be welcoming to players who simply don't want to roleplay. And I stand with this.
In fact I propose you do an experiment; make an alt and pretend you want to learn how to RP. See the responses you get and if you still think the majority of players is unwelcoming come back and tell us so.
You assume I'm just a player. You assume wrong. You assume my posts are aimed solely at you, another wrong assumption.
I assume nothing of the likes. You just said the post was partially aimed at me and I never claimed to have all your attention. ;)
On the other hand, I don't care if you're a simple player, a nun, or Talad in disguise, I'll treat you just the same.
There's a reason they're called RP-Nazis
Since the last time I tried to explain you why this is not the way to call anybody my post was deleted I'll PM some pictures to you.
And if after seeing that you still think it's worth comparing PS players with this then I guess you'll have proved everybody that you either are short or have no ethics whatsoever.
Drink your champagne to that.
Not today, lost my thirst watching those pictures.
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So you smirk at every player/character that walks into your Den?
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Uhh, if I understand correctly, you assume Lhaa dislikes you just from a smirk? There are a plethora of reasons someone might smirk. Dislike is one of the less common ones - no offence, Akkaido, but it sounds like maybe you're reading into that a bit too much.
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Uhh, if I understand correctly, you assume Lhaa dislikes you just from a smirk? There are a plethora of reasons someone might smirk. Dislike is one of the less common ones - no offence, Akkaido, but it sounds like maybe you're reading into that a bit too much.
It was sarcastic.
She quoted him from in-game in an attempt to show something wrong about him but he responded by saying that all she did was smirk.
A 'whup ti do you proved nothing' response. ;)
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Ah. Just another case of sarcasm being lost in text...my bad. XD
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Note that there was a good five-ten minute awkward silence on my part upon entering the Den. I felt rather coldshouldered OOC, and then the smirk just made me less comfortable.
@Lhaa: No matter what form of disgusting PMs you send me, I will not stop calling RP extremists 'RP-Nazis'.
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"make an alt and pretend you want to learn how to RP"
Doing this is part of why people stop helping newcomers, if you cannot be certain that you are actually helping someone and not just getting taken for a ride then the incentive to help is gone.
Then again if your idea of roleplay is to act out mawkish melodrama then some people will avoid you because there is too much drama in their lives already.
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I believe this thread is based on false assumptions of the past (and, yes, rather obviously also meant as an attack to a specific person what is already against the forum rules).
The concept of generations isn't likely to apply in planeshift; there are new players, old players, and everything between present.
To add a personal experience: The second person I met ingame told me to speak english in main and continued to run along instead of explaining things to a new player (What was fine with me).
Second: I personally would ban people naming others a nazi. Who uses it has obviously not a clue what they say and what insult it is. Stop using something like that.
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I think it's quite clear what a RP-Nazi is. It's a commonly accepted term in the majority of the PlaneShift community. I don't go around calling anyone who is interested in RP a RP-Nazi. No, it's a very real term, someone who treats those who don't live to their purist standard of RP. Someone who goes far beyond their calling to crush anything they see as impure RP. Scrutinising everyone and everything. Rather Nazi-like in my opinion.
Why don't you search RP-Nazi on these forums, and ban everyone who has ever used the term? Note that calling someone an RP-Nazi is not the same as calling them a Nazi... they're very different terms, rather drawing parrallels.
What people should be banned for is up to the moderators.
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[...]Rather Nazi-like in my opinion.
Again, you have not a clue.
I don't mind how many use it; it is a bad and insulting term. I suggest informing yourself about what titles you give your fellow players instead of copying others without having the mentioned clue.
(And no, I don't note that rp-nazi now doesn't really mean nazi. Neither seem you to do looking at the out-of-context quote)
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The context is obviously changed by the addition of RP- to the front of Nazi. And this is over the internet, clearly an RP-Nazi is not on the same level as the horrendous deeds of a generation ago.
And I'd say I do have a clue, it's quite a common definition within PlaneShift.
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wtf has happened to this thread
officially derailed
stop calling people nazis, no matter what you add to the front. noot cool. does'nt matter if its a common term, it should not be used, u just don't call people nazis of any kind. sure, some people do, but they don't understand crap about real nazis
get a mod to lock this, it's going nowhere. originally i thought akaiddo made a good point, now this is getting ridiculous and personal. learn to argue guys!
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I think this makes Sarras and Sen Nazi-nazis.
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i think this makes u ignorant, phinehas. go roll in flaming dog crap.
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The context is obviously changed by the addition of RP- to the front of Nazi.
Why not call them RP-KKK-Member? Honestly, as I understand it, it's made pretty clear in the setting that ingame racism is not tolerated. Why should you then use a term like this on the forums? I understand that there's a broad usage of the word "nazi" on the internet for people who defend a certain topic in an exaggerated way (e.g., "grammar nazi"), and it's usually not related to the original meaning. Might be a good joke, too, for some kinds of humor. But please, this is an international forum. Not everyone here is a white Christian US-American. Some might have lost their grand parents or something in WW2. Try to imagine you did, and now someone calls you a Nazi (even with something prepended).
Would you be happy?
Edit: Saddening attitudes indeed.
Edit2: Corrected stupid typo. Wow, Godwin's law and Murphy's law united!
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ww3? ::| boy, did i miss out on a lot of world history! need to stop playing hooky!
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(And no, I don't note that rp-nazi now doesn't really mean nazi. Neither seem you to do looking at the out-of-context quote)
He is well aware of what a nazi is. He has read the history and knows what it is.
I think this makes Sarras and Sen Nazi-nazis.
Comic relief, thankyou. :P
i think this makes u ignorant, phinehas. go roll in flaming dog crap.
Get the sarcasm? No?
A crusade over a commonly used term is a waste of time and pointless. For those who are hurt by a reminder of such a thing then that should be respected. I do understand the meaning of the term nazi, I've read all about that period of time. There doesn't need to be a bunch of people picking on Akaiddo for using the term, many do, just as nazi once meant a political party, it now means a person who stringently enforces some ideal or set of rules. That's how it is now.
Get off the topic of RP Nazi.
Back onto the real thing, at which I leave my final point, you may revisit page three.
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I'm not a white Christian American, your point is moot, especially when you think it's racist to call someone a Nazi.
It's not a joke, it's not humour, it's a serious issue facing PS. If you want to hide it behind shutters of political correctness, you're really not prepared to address issues.
RP-elitists, from now on then? For the sake of dropping the sideline warfare over this topic and getting some real debating done, some real issues resolved?
As bloodedIrishman said, I know what a Nazi is, even before Lhaa sent me lovely pictures to remind me.
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you people are disgusting.
might as well lock this thread now.
neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeko neko neko, where r u? i have catnip!
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it tarnishes your reputation.
hehe...didn't know I have a reputation to loose. I'm neither a very good roleplayer nor someone who plays for more than just his own fun. So I couldn't see how i earned myself any reputation.
i used to hold you guys in high regard, now i'm not too sure you should even be part of the osp (i think that's it).
Can't say much more than Lhaa here. There are for sure much better players for this out there...people who organize some events for all PS players each month...some dueling on the plaza comes to my mind there. And of course people who keep silent about things that upset them.
the point of this thread is that the players now (doesn't matter if they were or weren't like this in the past) are unwelcoming to new players who don't know how to rp. no one gives a crap about the "golden generation" anymore. akaiddo, for some reason, was comparing the generations as a theme to his post, but he didn't seem to realize that's irrelevant.
Sorry, I don't think I can agree here. When I started there wasn't a tutorial, the winch got just in place and players were in a way really lost when logging in the first time. I still remember that it took me more than a week to find the help channel not empty when I had a simple question. Nowadays the help channel is populated most of the time (at least during my online times) and the people there don't have the slightest problem, to help others OOCly. And I see it the same in game, maybe just not in main chat. What people see are mostly just the IC answers to anyone looking for the platinum mine or seeking help for a quest. Of course chars answer ICLy only to what they know. But the OOC tells are not seen by anyone. But of course there are some problems with this approach...at least how I do it. It happened pretty often lately that someone looking for help came by, asked and I still had to finish a longer line for another players. After posting the line in main I started to write an answer for the new player only to delete it again shortly before finishing it because the new player ran off. I can understand that waiting two minutes to even get recognized is a bit too much...but I am a slow typer. I tried to cope with this by at least a short greeting to show the new player that he is not ignored, but this doesn't always work. For the example of Akkaido...I really see no problem with a [No OOC in main without brackets] followed by some explanation in tells. In fact I think this is a pretty good way to handle it in my view. It makes sure that nobody gets annoyed by the new player and also helps the new player first to understand about the OOC in main and second by allowing him to ask all kind of stuff in tells without the need to bother about IC/OCC.
You don't frequent the same parts of PlaneShift as I do. When 0.5.00 was pre-released, I worked my furry butt off to get it working on my PC, and started reporting and helping with bugs. I took time out of my RPs and my time with my Clan to make sure this release got out as soon as I could help it. I'd call that contributing to the community, and the markets are on the way, along with other less-public events, it takes more than one person to build these things. And the Alliance is getting stronger, more people are joining.
Join a guild. I prefer to invite newbs quickly and make them feel involved, and if they stop playing anyway, to then remove them after an inactive period, than to be picky about recruits.
Nobody said you don't help new players...but it seems as if you think your way of helping is the only right way and that all others don't do anything at all. I guess it's hard for you to imagine that there are players who help everyone, even if he/she/kra doesn't join your guild. Or maybe even help players through the tutorial of which they haven't the slightest clue if they are enkidukai or will stay for longer in the game. Or what kind of players they are...Roleplayer, PLers...something between. There isn't only one way helping the others, but assuming that others don't help just because you don't like their attitude in the forums is...poor.
Note that there was a good five-ten minute awkward silence on my part upon entering the Den. I felt rather coldshouldered OOC, and then the smirk just made me less comfortable.
Yes there was...if I remember right you stood near the door for some time. That silence happen with all people who come in and stay near the door at first. It's a mechanical problem, the saying range is a bit...confusing. Most of the time a person standing on the elevation at the door doesn't hear what is said at the bar...but this is not always the case. So we started to only greet people who came down there...just to not get any confusion. It happened too often that we greeted someone and the people at the bar went along with it while the greeted person didn't even realize it.
And the term nazi should not be used lighthearted. Maybe it isn't understood that way by a lot people nowadays, but there are for sure still enough who get offended by it.
Edit: Typos
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I have a day or so off and you lot start acting like a bunch of children, I've been playing PS longer than anyone who posted in this thread (except Phine who has me beat by a couple months) and its all cyclical sometimes its nice to newcomers sometimes not, sometimes the RP-nazis dominate sometimes not.
Instead of complaining in here get in game and try and change the reception of newcomers yourselves, promote RP not by creating some huge dramatic "RP" but by interacting in character with newcomers and old players you don't have to save the world everyday.
To those who like to send disturbing images of atrocites there is more than one definition of nazi and if you try to enforce your definition on the rest of us what does that make you?
Definitions of nazi on the Web: (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3Anazi&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=)
* a German member of Adolf Hitler's political party
* relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; "the total Nazi crime"; "the Nazi interpretation of ...
* derogatory term for a person who is fanatically dedicated to, or seeks to control, some activity, practice, etc.
* national socialist: relating to a form of socialism; "the national socialist party came to power in Germany in 1933"
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