PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on January 07, 2010, 04:58:02 pm
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Just so it's clear the rule against spoiling does apply to all public channels including gossip.
I have informed the gm team that in this time of diminished player numbers that going out of their way to enforce this rule may not be the best way to spend their time. However, if you, as a player, feel a particular instance of spoiling is very bad, feel free to report or petition the issue and we'll investigate it.
I would like to have the gm team focused on POSITIVE endeavors for the time being.
Please Enjoy PlaneShift safely.
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Just so it's clear the rule against spoiling does apply to all public channels including gossip.
I have informed the gm team that in this time of diminished player numbers that going out of their way to enforce this rule may not be the best way to spend their time. However, if you, as a player, feel a particular instance of spoiling is very bad, feel free to report or petition the issue and we'll investigate it.
I would like to have the gm team focused on POSITIVE endeavors for the time being.
Very nice! I strongly belief that any kind of education (being with children or as a GM or in any other way) should be done, not by punishing bad behaviour (unless it gets out of hand or is plain illegal of course) but more by encouraging/rewarding good behaviour. For educating children this is considered to be the 'Right Thing To Do' and I believe it might also apply in other areas.
Greetings,
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All we need now is a way of making a chat channel private so you do not need to be in a guild to trade spoilers. As it is now all user chat channels can be considered public because you can join them if you know or guess the name. Are there any rules that would allow a channel creator to petition a gm to bar someone from their channel? Is that even possible as it stands today?
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Not really bilbous. It is always possible to use tell. You can put in a feature request for private channels.
As I stated above, we're trying to focus our efforts on creating events rather than excessive policing.
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what is the exact definition of spoiling?
I could not find a definition on the forum.
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Try this one in [MUST READ] Game rules and Policies ^^ http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=31960.msg367027#msg367027
Or if that is not what you want try. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_(media)
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The question becomes, where do you draw the line on what constitutes spoilers? Obviously quest solutions are off limits, though asking if a quest is currently working would be acceptable. What about questions like, where do I find [insert ore here] or where can I find [insert NPC here]?
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thank you Ingles.
The Wiki def is not really helpful.
The [must read] does not help either. No definition.
In general, Xillix said that 'something' is not allowed. But that 'something' is not really defined.
You see what i mean?
Additionally, there are 'instances of spoiling'. To me that increases the confusion.
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The best way to not spoil is to give hints and not outright answers.
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The question becomes, where do you draw the line on what constitutes spoilers? Obviously quest solutions are off limits, though asking if a quest is currently working would be acceptable. What about questions like, where do I find [insert ore here] or where can I find [insert NPC here]?
Indeed, but well, from what I know are ore and npc location spoilers aswell. Those are things you better ask someone you meet in the game.
Sen
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I think people are trying to make the definition of a spoiler to hard. Before saying something on a public channel where everyone can hear it ask yourself this " Is this piece of information something someone might like to discover on their own? Think of spoiler information like giving away the surprise ending of a mystery novel. Some people like to jump to the the last few pages and read them first before starting the mystery novel and some people don't want to know anything about the ending until they get there. To help protect those people who don't want to know the ending till they get there don't give away any endings in public.
Personally I love spoilers so I really hate the spoiler rules but I understand those people who hate spoilers and don't want any information given away they might enjoy discovering for themselves. Yes there will always be grey areas as to what is and isn't a spoiler ( sort of like endless debates between people with different artistic tastes debating over what is good or bad art). Hopefully most people can agree that things like.
Riddle answers
Location of different mines.
Exactly which quests you have to do to achieve certain things.
Locations of NPCs
Would fit in the spoiler class. If you have any doubt if something is a spoiler or not then send the Info via a tell and not on a public channel.
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Are you serious?
A spoiler is any information that a player should discover on their own. I don't want to mince words. People need to ask in private for such things as quest solutions, locations of mines, how to get into the winch, or any other element of the game that is supposed to be found through individual action.
Posting these things in a public channel reveals information that someone else may not want to have revealed to them, so it is out of bounds.
Again, I don't want this to be another long drawn out argument. It is pretty clear what a spoiler is. Please avoid asking for, or answering, questions of this nature in any public medium.
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Are you serious? Y E S!
Thank you Sarva. You cleared a lot of ground.
That's sufficient. At least for me.
Well...
This is not so clear to me:
'...or any other element of the game that is supposed to be found through individual action'
This is no joke. The ramifications of violating the 'spoiler rule' could be severe. So i think it is beneficial to clear it up.
Also, if this leads to consistency, maybe we gained something. A healthy discussion should be allowed on this forum.
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A healthy discussion should be allowed on this forum.
;D No no no no no.... I'm sorry but all "healthy" discussions on this forum get infected easily. And the ramifications for that can be worse. If you really have difficulty telling try revealing as little OOC information as possible if you play on Laanx. Talking ICly helps greatly with not revealing spoilers.
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A healthy discussion should be allowed on this forum.
;D No no no no no.... I'm sorry but all "healthy" discussions on this forum get infected easily. And the ramifications for that can be worse. If you really have difficulty telling try revealing as little OOC information as possible if you play on Laanx. Talking ICly helps greatly with not revealing spoilers.
Indeed, but it's not always possible to do that especially if you field a lot of alts/your main isn't a townsperson + you can't multiclient :S
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what a spoiler is is clear. Try to avoid it.
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I also think it's better to meet people ingame if you need help with something. The game is loosing a bit of it's romance when Yliakum's secrets are easily shared in a public channel.
Harnquist's has always been a good place to find a helping hand and make new friends. I think it's simply more fun for everyone when roleplay is going on.
A good blacksmith teaches his techniques at the anvil.
I also agree it's better to give hints intead of outright answers. And if you want to give outright answers or talk [out of character ;] it's better to switch to a /tell indeed, so not everyone can 'hear' you.
The main chat should read like a book. ( also not forget to turn your head to the one you talking with, that's more polite ;) )
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It is pretty clear what a spoiler is indeed if you just take a look on wikipedia
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I think that the channel is abused, [like we were not already expecting that] People discuss too many OOC crap, and yes i know that is what it is mostly for, but i think that it is a good place to tell information about something that is going on during RP when you cannot say it on the main because that wouldnt make sense. Instead, people just say "Hey where is this and that, and what do i do for this and that?" And that is almost every discussion that is ever on the channel. This makes it so that you cannot even let your RP accusations and questions be answered because of flooding of spoiling.
I think that we should all use the channel for the word that is beside it **{{GOSSIP}}** Things that we do not know are true about a character, and things that we are not certain about with the RP going on around. Henceforth, when somebody is not sure about the truth, they...GOSSIP!
And I think that if you want to learn all of the spoilers of the game then join a guild. I'm sure they will powerlevel you for their benefit. [This last statement does not have to do with all guilds, just some of them.]
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"What is a spoiler?" ... A question of definition.
Q: "Where do I get a golden ring?"
A1: "Go to merchant XXXX and ask: YYYY." - Clearly a spoiler.
A2: "I believe there is a merchant in ZZZZ - go there and ask around." - Already too much a spoiler to be punished?
IMHO, a little help like A2 should be toleratable, as long as it is vague enough to require additional efforts.
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About the purpose of the Gossip channel:
I don't like how much OOC talk you can find there - and which kind (e.g. political and rude jokes). Every feature which can be used, can be abused. But to know it it is ab-use, requires to know that there are rules about it.
"You threw them before us, but did not tell us that they are pearls." - related to the proverb "throwing pearls before swine".
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A2 would be ok. I really don't want to see this boil down to a more and more nuanced discussion though.
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Yo does this apply to EZ-PC as well?
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This has been helpful info imho.