PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Venalan on January 15, 2010, 04:26:48 pm
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Guildhouses are awarded through auctions, which tend to favor the ones who grind the most money. This may be a problem for the RP guilds, as their members do not accumulate money through crafting/monster hunting. To ensure there is a good balance between the two types of guilds, we want to introduce also a way to award guildhouses based on contribution to Role Play within the community.
If your RP guild wishes to be granted the use of a guild-house you will have to apply for one. Guilds that have guild-house currently may not apply. Guild-houses will be granted on the basis of your answers to the questions below, on how your guild actually acts in game and after careful consideration by Game Master and Development team members.
So, this is what we want to hear about from you, and please take your time in getting your replies to us, there is no rush. You should answer each question carefully and then pm/e-mail your response to a Game Master, who will then forward your application.
- 1 - How long has your guild been around? (Note - We will try and give equal weighting to both older and newer guilds, it should also be noted that a newly created guild is unlikely to be granted a guildhouse until you have shown consistency and commitment to PlaneShift over time. We can't give guildhouses to every guild or the upkeep will outpace our capacity to support this initiative.)
- 2 - How active is the guild in recruiting new members? (Things you can include - Do you have a core set of players that are highly active and can guide the guild and new comers to the guild? Do you prefer to only recruit players who you know can role-play, or actively recruit new players who will fit into the settings of your guild and nurture and teach them how to role-play on Laanx, or would you have none selective recruitment? Explain to us WHY you would make these choices.)
- 3 - Do you have an official guild history and settings publically available for your guild? Do you think that from the creation of the guild you have stuck to these? If not why and how will you try to address this in the future? (We won't require that all guilds have a website, but we HIGHLY encourage it. If you could include links to either private websites and/or posts from the PlaneShift guilds forum for this section it would be appreciated.)
- 4 - Describe your commitment to role-play on Laanx? (Things you can include - How important is role-play for the guild? All role-play, mainly role-play and some levelling, no role-play and all grinding? Do you, and how will you follow the RP guide lines that are currently in place? Do you create new role-plays and join current ones at every opportunity?)
- 5 - How would your guild use a guildhouse to aid PlaneShift's incoming players and develop its current role-play atmosphere? (Things you can include - Why does your guild need it? How will it benefit the guild? What RPs will be based in and about it? In what ways will it be used to benefit new comers to the game and guild? How will it be used by others outside of the guild? Will you keep your guildhouse open or will you lock the door? What is your role-play reason for this choice?)
- 6 – Where would you like your guildhouse to be? And how would the position effect the role-plays you plan on taking part in? (Locations include - The winch or warehouse district of Ojaveda for merchants? Dark secluded out of the way alleys for the less law abiding? Next to the Laanx temple for religious organisations? Note – there are limited houses available, and we will do our best to award guilds access to a house most suiting their settings. Guilds that wish to expand areas of the game that are, at the time of reading this, under-utilised for role-play, will have favouritism provided they answer all other questions well. Important, the presence of a 'Door' per say is not required to have a guild house, if you wish to be imaginative with the means of entry, you may, but you must explain why it needs an alternative.)
- 7 - Do you accept that any guildhouse given can be taken away at any point if it is found you are unhelpful to new players, combative with Game Masters, failing to role-play or not keeping sufficient server presence to merit the use of a guildhouse or for any other reason deemed appropriate by the Game Masters or any other development team? (Note - A guildhouse should be considered a privilege, and not a right.)
A few final notes...
Do not try to tell us what we want to hear, that in itself will be cause for refusal to receive a guildhouse. We want honest input that will help us to make Laanx a better place for role-play, if you're in this for a guildhouse simply, wait for auctions which may also still be run. Remember that spelling and grammar counts so please proof read and spell check.
Finally, if your application is refused, we will try to explain why. There will also be a three month period before another attempt at applying will be considered.
Good luck to all who apply.
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This is a excellent way to promote RP on laanx. Great work :thumbup:
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:thumbup:
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I get into an iCafe whilst on holiday, and now I want to be home playing PlaneShift.
This is VERY exciting for PlaneShift and roleplay, it has my fullhearted support.
PS: these iCafe computers are crud. Won't even do webchat! >:(
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Yeah.
I like this.
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Excellent idea. This really gives an incentive to RP (not to mention it makes it easier to convince guildmembers to participate in RP more often >_>....which in turn makes planning them easier! wooo).
This pleases me greatly :love:
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I just finished reading through the post. While I agree that the awarding of guild houses to those that promote roleplaying, would promote roleplay on the server, I found the text to be worrisome. Maybe I am wrong, but there seemed to be an implication that those that have a guild house at this point will be losing said guild house, for no other reason than you want to change who gets guild houses and make the change retroactive. I find this worrisome because it would imply that the current leadership of this game world doesn't see the value of honoring a contract. Those guilds that managed to achieve the acquisition of a guild house, had the expectation of having entered into a contractual relationship. That the characters and the guild have managed to acquire private property. And that they have the expectation that the authorities will live up to their legal obligations. Now the players of course do not have a contractual relationship. It is the characters in the gameworld that do. The setting of the game by its nature and design has assumed the position, that the cities of the world have a working government. And that with this comes the expectation of the rule of law.
This expectation of the rule of law has further been strengthened by the creation and posting of the law's concerning combat within city limits. And the use of a jail for those that break this law. Without the rule of law all you will have is anarchy. And the laws that are in force need to be consistent and applied equally to all. To do otherwise is to invite disaster.
The stated goal of this project is to create an immersive world where people can create characters and assume roles. In order for a world to be immersive it has to be consistent. So to maintain consistency in the world must have a coherent set of rules, not only in terms of what characters are allowed to do or not do, but it must also have a consistent set of rules governing the characters relationship to the world itself. And this includes any interactions with those playing said governmental operatives. So if you want to promote roleplaying, you have to keep a stable framework upon which to build. Because in order for one to assume a role, one has to have a firm understanding of the enviornment that the role will be played in. Once the world is a stable framework then, you can add incentives. But your incentives must not violate the world framework or you will sabotage your own efforts.
I suggest that you study the works of Hans Herman Hoppe, Ludwig Von Mises, Bastiat, Adam Smith, John Locke, FA Hayek, Murry Rothbard. They can give you the foundation you need to create a stable society.
In closing, Keep your rules simple. Apply them equally to all. And support the role of liberty and inalienable rights. Private property is the foundation for everything else. And the characters need a world where, you have the rule of law. The only legitimate purpose of a state is the protection of liberty.
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Not that there is a plan to take existing houses away but just pointing out a few things from the Octarchal Decree of 425 AY which is the law of the land for our characters.
V. Ownership of private property incurs the burden of taxation. When taxes are required they will be paid to the Vigesimi. These taxes can go only for the maintenance of the guards and to sponsor the needs of the military in defense of the Octarchy.
XIII. Anyone not making productive use of their lands shall have them seized by the Octarchy. A Vigesimi may seize any lands they deem needed for the preservation of the Octarchy with their Octarch's consent without public or private reprisal.
XIV. Any lands deemed by the Vigesimi to be required for governmental use will be exploited to the pleasure of the government and be expected to produce a tangible benefit to the local populace. In this manner a wide range of possibilities are expressed: a Vigesimi may decide a park is needed in a location and grant that to the people without concern for anyone displaced by such decisions.
So our characters who know the Decree would know these provisions that indicate that there are reasons for property being taken away like not paying your taxes ( even a quest about that), the owner not making productive use of the property and that the property is deemed necessary by the Octarchy for another use.
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10 - Do you accept that a guildhouse given for role-play can be taken away at any point if it is found you are ... failing to role-play ...
what would be considered 'adequately active in roleplay'?
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So how much/often would the taxes be?
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As far as I know there haven't been any taxes charged for guild houses yet but who knows if that will change in the future. As for the question about adequately active in role play I don't think there is a hard definition that can be given at this time.
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The sole purpose of a state is not the "protection of liberty", the entire world is not the United States of America.
Different states have different purposes, and considering Yliakum is in a completely different world to the USA, the way in which her society is structured differs completely also.
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So will you tell us on this thread when you are ready for the guildhouse requests?
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@Mekora: You can submit your application at any time. Send it as a PM to any GM.
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even though i think it's unfair to guilds that want to pay for a house like other guilds have done in the past, well unfair is a grave word, i mean to say: one line was not drawn, then again, one line was not drawn before in the past concerning guild house....
even though i think that: i will send an application for a guildhouse with a purpose to the one who started this topic, a house that contributes to this community 8)
With regards, Perlan Cernun, Grandmaster of Masters of Move
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Kore Irka Clan will make a submission after a few of our planned events have reached fruition.
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*bump*
Just wondering if this is still happening and if so, when we can apply.
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Yes, it is still happening and you can submit your application as a PM at any time to any GM.
Good Luck!
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I believe some owners of guildhouses already vanished, so chances are probably good that more active followers can be accepted. Just my humble opinion.
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could someone explain please why i see a house reservation for someone who is only shown by his last name, and no one is informed?
i think IMHO communication between the ones who give away houses and the ones wanting them is a big failure, since no one informs the players, even though promises about replies are made.
That's just my humble opinion....
Perlan Cernun
N.B. maybe i do critisize, but at least i have the gutts to openly speak my mind about things like this.. respect!
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i think IMHO communication between the ones who give away houses and the ones wanting them is a big failure, since no one informs the players, even though promises about replies are made.
That's just my humble opinion....
I wouldn't call that a humble opinion. I would call that biting the hand of those who give out guild houses.
Thats just my humble opinion.
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Perlan The house you refer to in the Winch is being used for the ongoing GM event involving Fenwirdle Hambaro and has nothing to do with the RP house rewards.
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thanks for the reply, Sarva. That also is communication, see what i mean?
regards, Perlan
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Quote from: Perlam on Today at 10:29:43 AM
i think IMHO communication between the ones who give away houses and the ones wanting them is a big failure, since no one informs the players, even though promises about replies are made.
That's just my humble opinion....
Excuse me but did I not inform you of the decision concerning you in gmtalk on the 17 feb ?
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excuse me: but was that not because i asked you, a week later that someone told me he/ she would reply me?
one way communication, ingles... that is exactly my point, and empty promises
note: this thread has been going on for 2 months, don't you all think someone communicates about it?
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*bump*
Yeah, just wondering if this system is still in place.
Thanks.
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*bump*
Yeah, just wondering if this system is still in place.
Thanks.
Why don't you just PM a GM?? And we will not pass that is for sure, we've had no RPs lately and don't have enough members, active members.
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you could always ask jacula to return to oja :P
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*bump*
Yeah, just wondering if this system is still in place.
Thanks.
Why don't you just PM a GM?? And we will not pass that is for sure, we've had no RPs lately and don't have enough members, active members.
Why don't you just PM that to me? And it was a question out of curiosity, not a hint at any application.
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PM what to you?
I wasn't saying we were going to put in an application, I was just saying we will not pass.
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But you confess in public that you have guild issues! :P
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But you confess in public that you have guild issues! :P
Its public anyway ever heard of /who kore irka clan it comes up with something like, there are no players found named Kore Irka Clan. or something alike. If theres no members on theres no RP.
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well considering you live in oja, and recruit only enki, and enki spawn in hydlaa, and usually cant find their way to oja, it would make sense that other guilds would find them first XD
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We're a better roleplay guild than most guilds in PlaneShift tbh. I'd say the only real competition for Enki RPers is House Cheshire and Royal House of Purrty. And multi-racial roleplay guilds like the House of Trayus (the quality of which has really impressed me Vilthis :D )
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:o Gosh ... that will just start again a flame war about "quality of roleplaying", I fear... Yay. Anyone with at least a little maturity, please restrain yourself from it. The philosophical aspect of "roleplaying quality" is not the topic here, I really hope.
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I was comparing myself to guilds who don't even try tbh. As far as Enki only, active guilds/clans go, there's only the aforementioned ones anyway. And Akkaio Setha Clan. To my knowledge.
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Your knowlege is simply incomplete.
Sen
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Your knowlege is simply incomplete.
Sen
Yup.
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Sorry, forgot Feline's Lair, I've only ever seen Haraun wander past once or twice :(
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we're one of the best role-playing guilds in planeshift????
*Vakachehk checks for a date for May Market Day and sees no sign of it*
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We're a better roleplay guild than most guilds in PlaneShift tbh. I'd say the only real competition for Enki RPers is House Cheshire and Royal House of Purrty. And multi-racial roleplay guilds like the House of Trayus (the quality of which has really impressed me Vilthis :D )
Thanks of the compliment Akkaido, I forward for future collaborations between our guilds.
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We're a better roleplay guild than most guilds in PlaneShift tbh. I'd say the only real competition for Enki RPers is House Cheshire and Royal House of Purrty. And multi-racial roleplay guilds like the House of Trayus (the quality of which has really impressed me Vilthis :D )
Thanks of the compliment Akkaido, I forward for future collaborations between our guilds.
I see great things come from guilds whos leader stays interested in PS and works hard to make there guild work. I like House of Trayus it is a very unique all race guild.
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10 - Do you accept that a guildhouse given for role-play can be taken away at any point if it is found you are ... failing to role-play ...
what would be considered 'adequately active in roleplay'?
It means to have active people who RP :D lol sorry just a joke.
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I would think that the amount of active players in general would be taken into consideration to be fair ?
One cannot be expected to be "active" all the time when there are very few players on.
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So here's a question/ idea...
Could there be a 'boarding house' somewhere in Hydlaa and or East Hydlaa where newcomers and / or folks without guild houses might
'rent a room' for some period of time... have a key that they get from an npc after paying the appropriate rent. Then get 'locked out' if they don't pay there rent on time and have to do something to mollify the npc?
Keep the Guild houses as rewards or auctions or whatever, but create alternative housing for the rest of us?
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Good idea. But I don't think this can happen soon, because the map representing the room would have to be created first.
Sen
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Thanks Sen! I know lots of other things are happening so I am just putting this idea out there... for sometime...
Again I am no techie, so forgive me please in advance if this is a naive suggestion/ idea but since there are rooms at Kada Els could maybe that 'map' be used to be the interior of an unused house, then all that would be needed I guess is a key or a way to allocate that room to a character? Does this seem feasible at all? Like maybe the house behind the guards next to KAda Els could be the 'boarding house' and maybe even a house in Oja, using the same map?
Just a thought...
RR
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Roled - yes, but they will still need editing in Blender/3DSM to cut what we want from the rest of the tavern.
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@rigwyn thats my point ;)
@Roled that is perfect! In that way hydlaa could expand into a high populated area with lots of boarding houses and in future for players aswel. I think that having the guild houses as RP rewards is great. Only if the house is officially owned by 'the octarchy' and can be taken off the guild if they become inactive (having some way that the guild delocates an alt to put everything that is in the house on the alt if the house gets taken off them for inactivness) thats just another idea.
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and someone has to write the code to handle it too :P manual won't work well with having to change keys frequently
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So, Is this still in effect? Can we still apply for them?
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The OL did, got approved, still has nothing to show for it.
Don't waste your time.
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Well, that was more because of lack of player contribution where events were concerned. If he doesn't need other people to take up RPing realistically necessary support there, then he should be good.
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Well, that was more because of lack of player contribution where events were concerned. If he doesn't need other people to take up RPing realistically necessary support there, then he should be good.
huh?
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Do you need players to be artists, singers, dancers, actors, etc at your guildhouse? If not then you should be good.
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My guilds main use for a guild house would just basically be an office, with sombody attending when its unlocked, but it would be an office for taking bounties, also a place for members to sleep.
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My guilds main use for a guild house would just basically be an office, with sombody attending when its unlocked, but it would be an office for taking bounties, also a place for members to sleep.
Nice to know, but that won't pass as an application. :P
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thats not teh application, thats just the main use for the house..
Im pretty sure they ask for more then just what your going to do with it.
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So, Is this still in effect? Can we still apply for them?
Yes. If you would like to apply please do, PM it any GM and they will put it up for all of us to discuss.
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Can someone get a guild house in the non RP server?
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Can someone get a guild house in the non RP server?
Actually, there is only 1 house currently on that server. My character Phakachehk is in a guild that is trying to get a Guild House, but they do auctions and are normally really really expensive! Like over 5mil
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The Knowledge Seekers even participated in the "Octarchal Society for Progress" event -- and all they got was a (nearly forgotten) contract to review books for Jayose's library extension. Yet. But chances are that the Yliakum University will exist some day. If not in Hydlaa, then maybe in Amdeneir, or whatever...
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I dunno, but something needs to happen to that GM team, things have gotten a little slow, and rather making the game boring or not as fun as it use to be.
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\\o// :thumbup: Great idea
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Bump
And this is still active.
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For those who do not know, the Outlaws were accepted via the program and PS team did make good on their offer - granting us a guild house via this program. I mention it only because earlier comments in this thread suggest otherwise ( said comment was made before keys were turned over ). Sadly, the population was very small, so we were limited to what we could actually do. Often when I played there were only one or two others on at the same time. We made plans that would include others in such guild house RP events, but we were only able to accomplish one such role play.
This is a great opportunity for any group that is serious about role play.
Whisper Bless,
Rigwyn
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What the OL and RCD did with the guildhouse was wonderful. People do complain of inactivity, but those with ideas and that are provided such guildhouses used properly in conjunction with said ideas can make a lot of difference.
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First off, thanks Cairn ;)
Just posting to prevent some confusion.
The Red Crystal Den was not "rewarded" as part of this program. The RCD was gained from the OSP event (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34557.0) of Dajoji. It had to follow a different set of rules. Now to the confusing part: The application for the Den was done by the Outlaws guild (which I/we was/were part of back then). For several months the Den was run by the Outlaws as cover for their real activities. It just turned out running the Den and being an Outlaw Elder was far to much work to handle for Lhaa and me and that those two "Organizations" got in some RP conflicts with each other. So it was decided to make the Den independent from the Outlaws.
But this whole story is unrelated to the guild house the Outlaws got from this event of Venalan. They applied after I left them and got accepted...I think more than a year after the RCD was created. Sorry, not really sure there but I think Rigwyn, Jacula and Elvi played a major part in that application (Feel free to correct me please). So basically...the Outlaws managed to convince the team twice that they add enough to the RP environment to justify a house reward. I only saw the OL guildhouse once or twice but I think they did a great job with it.
And really just posting this to prevent confusion. The Den is run now by Dannae (at least I hope it still is) and she did a remarkable job in keeping it active within her possibilities. So this is all ancient PS history and no real influence on the current situation.
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Thanks - that was also partially my bad. I wasn't sure which one Riggy was going for, so I just generalized.
And yes, you can earn em', like Aiw said. Ply your trade, and well!