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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Xillix Queen of Fools on January 25, 2010, 12:54:39 am
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Guildhouse interiors are taking too much of our computing resources. All guilds have one week to clean up their guild houses.
-Please use guild banking
-Please use mules for now
-------------------->Do Not Store loose items on the floor or in sacks.<---------------------
(rp items are allowed but use with some reserve)
We'll provide an alternative when we can.
If the situation doesn't change we'll be forced to interact more directly than an appeal on forum.
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Why exactly is this? If an item is just sitting there in an instance and no-one's messing with it, why would that take up computing resources?
Sounds more like something was badly designed.
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Perhaps a short message could be posted for those who are able to log into PS to see immediately as they log in. I know my guild has crafted items for new arrivals to use and I haven't spoke to anyone who can get into PS yet . . .
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Perhaps a short message could be posted for those who are able to log into PS to see immediately as they log in. I know my guild has crafted items for new arrivals to use and I haven't spoke to anyone who can get into PS yet . . .
Of course, it's called Guild MOTD.
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Perhaps a short message could be posted for those who are able to log into PS to see immediately as they log in. I know my guild has crafted items for new arrivals to use and I haven't spoke to anyone who can get into PS yet . . .
Of course, it's called Guild MOTD.
Indeed it is, Tuxide. My point was that I can't get in game to change it. Do you happen to have a solution for that?
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Please clarify. Does this include items that are stored in crates and cabinets or do we have to move those to mules also?
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I would suggest people putting a link to this thread on their guild forums as not everyone reads the main PS forums and it would be a shame for this to get over looked. On the bright side, maybe if this clean up gets the performance of the game up, player numbers might rise and we might have more to do in game. \\o//
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does the bank do anything else besides tria. I have yet to manage to store any items on it.
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Not unless it is guild banking I believe.
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Please clarify. Does this include items that are stored in crates and cabinets or do we have to move those to mules also?
yes. laanx is an rp server guildhouses shouldn't be used as storage.
people complain that the server takes long to load? well it's entirely guildhouse fault a clean server takes about 30 seconds to load with all the npc and setting data in. all the items in the world including those in sacks are loaded in ram.
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:o One week is ridiculous.
I am only able to play during weekends at all. :'(
I demand Strength=200 for all mules. :-\
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Uhhh why dont you delete all of the dead guild, guildhouses like Dearing Dermorians, Nomothetes, Etc?
Also if its an RP server a guild house in real life will have a lot of stuff in it!!!!! And something should be done to stop the server loading guild houses for someone not even in that guild.
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does the bank do anything else besides tria. I have yet to manage to store any items on it.
Not unless it is guild banking I believe.
Does not work for me with guild banking either. The bankingwindow.xml does not even have any content for the itemswindow and adminwindow except for the mere frames.
It seems the only thing a guild can do in order to follow this request is to organize a group of alts that do nothing else than sitting in the guild house, overloaded and guarding the guilds goods.
I would like to ask what is considered RP items and in what quantities. I have seen wonderfully decorated guild houses with plenty of items that serve some RP purpose. Is there any specific limit in terms of item numbers? It seems difficult to draw the line here.
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Let me draw this line for you.
There is way too much stuff placed in guild houses, tone it down as much as possible asap.
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yikes... this is going to be hard - as we use things as props and have the layout set using items... how do we get by that - especially that we don't have 'mules' as you put it.
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Forgive me, but I'm confused. I understand the technical problems with too much stuff in a guildhouse. I understand the idea that the guildhouses should not be used as a warehouse. What I am confused about is: Can we have things in guildhouses if the interior denotes an RP environment? Is this a permanent situation or a temporary situation?
If GH owners are not allowed to decorate their guildhouses then there isn't much opportunity to create an RP setting inside the guildhouse. RPing in an empty guildhouse seems, well, a little contradictory to creating a fun environment to RP within. I'm not trying to start an argument or contradict the order of the devs. I just am curious as to the point in owning a guildhouse if we aren't allowed to decorate/furnish it to promote additional areas to RP within. They still provide privacy for confidential meetings between guilds and within guilds that cannot be overheard by the casual passer-by, but it is more RP realistic to be able to decorate it.
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:o One week is ridiculous.
I am only able to play during weekends at all. :'(
I demand Strength=200 for all mules. :-\
Yes, at least a month. There are many guilds with inactive Players. To guarantee access to the items the guild needs "guild-mules" that everyone can access.
These mules need to be created and (if possible trained).
Impossible for a guild with one, two or three active members.
Yes, it is a RP server. But players need a way to store their items. And a guild-house is way more RPish than a mule. And if there is that big problem, either there is a bad concept behind the server, or we need a better way of storing: large boxes, shelves.
A big problem for merchants. The Woipers, something as a merchant guild, need a lot of space and space that is accessible by every member. Equivalent to a depot. It is our way of role playing to use the house as a depot?!
Hope you got the point.
Thob
A last word. Nearly every house has an attic. Some do not, well the people have to store their things where they find free space. Same as we do in PS. So don't ask us to improve the situation, present an alternative and we will see.
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As XilliX said in the initial post..
(rp items are allowed but use with some reserve)
So, if you are an RP guild, and RP in your house and have it set up for that, then you don’t need to worry too much. You can however act on the side of caution and ask one of us GMs to pop into your house and check the number of items you have and we can let you know if its detrimental to the sever.
This post is mainly aimed at guilds that have 1,000s of items in their guildhouse, just piled up everywhere. Picking one guild house, it has 1800+ items in 850+ separate stacks, now imagine that multiple times in hydlaa plaza?? When the server loads, each of the stacks of items in every instance of guildhouses are pre-loaded into the server memory, this is where the problem is.
Simple things to reduce the problem include:-
getting rid of 100s different furs laid on the floor, or making artificial floor using the collision detection.
getting rid of items you have for the sake of having, animal parts, plant parts, items you can buy easily, items no-one uses, weapons collected that no one uses. (ive lots of weapons like that, i dont use them, and ive stuck them on an alt.)
combining stacks of similar items, e.g. one stack of 65 items opposed to 13 stacks of 5.
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yikes... this is going to be hard - as we use things as props and have the layout set using items... how do we get by that - especially that we don't have 'mules' as you put it.
RP items are allowed to stay I've heard. Try to take everything out that is stored there for not much reason. (RP items would be like seats for guild meetings, swords as display if your guild is a fighting guild but must be displayed not just siting on the ground or stored in a crate, sack, etc)
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darn this breaks my chances of ever making a second floor made out of tria... sorry livitin, i guees it wont happen...
and that explains why i lag so badly in hydlaa and nowhere else...
but with people bein able to have as many mules as they want.. anything thats not benificial to decoration, it would make sense for the mules to hold it..i mean a guildhouse is generally a place for the guild to sleep and discuss guildly bussness, so beds mabey cuboards and tables a few books and peices of paper on the tables, thats all anyone really needs in the house.
all them sword collections and crystals in the corners arnt helpin anybody now are they?
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We will try to remove most of the not really important single objects. But especially rather untrained characters with low-strength races are not able to carry much.
In the meantime, really, pretty please:
a) let's negotiate the "one week";
b) let's discuss technical matters of server-convenient item storage.
Creating mules in dozens - as thob mentioned - only moves the issue: More mainly inactive accounts and characters (with character creation table = spoiler based skills for maximized strength), semi-publicly known login details for this account, more already used character names...
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you don't need to be strong to have a mule eh it just have to sit forever and yes it's preferable a mule in the db than an item on the ground.
anyway what we are talking about are things like this: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9199/shot1117.png ... and i've seen worse too
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anyway what we are talking about are things like this: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9199/shot1117.png ... and i've seen worse too
What the heck is that on top, an attic? :o Not having ever owned a GH, I'm not sure of the various configurations. :)
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anyway what we are talking about are things like this: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9199/shot1117.png ... and i've seen worse too
Hahahaah. Okay, that goes a bit too far :P
Inventive though.
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Let's down with the QQ and just get the guildhouses cleaned up some please.
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Heh, my guild doesn't have a GH yet and we already have enough Guild Alts to administrate overflow of items.
To make the best storage alt:
Select Kran, Quick Start.
Choose Knight.
The Kran starts with 150 STR and almost the same amount of END. Perfect for muling, you can PL the STR to max with about 50k Trias and 2k PPs.
Extra note: All of my guild alts are Enki, for obvious reasons.
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Unless you want your mules to actually transport items there is no need to build up strength or endurance.You can massively overload a mule alt as long as you don't mind that the alt isn't going to move. Just buy large crates, fill them up and place them close enough to the mule alt that he/she can pick up the crate, even if already overloaded. The only issue is you will always have to go where the alt is pinned to the ground in order to retrieve an item.
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This post is mainly aimed at guilds that have 1,000s of items in their guildhouse, just piled up everywhere. Picking one guild house, it has 1800+ items in 850+ separate stacks, now imagine that multiple times in hydlaa plaza?? When the server loads, each of the stacks of items in every instance of guildhouses are pre-loaded into the server memory, this is where the problem is.
Considering there's no lockdown/secure system for housing, there's no way to tell what levels of items are acceptable. Houses will just keep accumulating more and more crap considering the only mechanism that really makes said crap go away is guildhouse raids. Did those figures include mounts by the way?
anyway what we are talking about are things like this: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9199/shot1117.png ... and i've seen worse too
What the heck is that on top, an attic? :o Not having ever owned a GH, I'm not sure of the various configurations. :)
That looks a lot like Talad's room in Google Lively.
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Considering there's no lockdown/secure system for housing, there's no way to tell what levels of items are acceptable. Houses will just keep accumulating more and more crap considering the only mechanism that really makes said crap go away is guildhouse raids.
there is a pretty easy way to recognize you have too many items in your guildhouse as there will be a few consequences:
1) not all items will appear while walking into it
2) you cannot leave it without relogging
3) you cannot enter enter it without relogging
if you experience any of those, you *definetely* have too many items in your house and should clean up your house as all of them are caused by the client discarding messages due to a full input queue.
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That's not what I meant, chugging the client and chugging the server are not the same thing. That's the difference between getting a thousand people in the same room casting Flame Spire versus getting a thousand people in the same room jumping up and down. If none of them applied (and they don't on my machine) then we still don't know.
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Heh, my guild doesn't have a GH yet and we already have enough Guild Alts to administrate overflow of items.
To make the best storage alt:
Select Kran, Quick Start.
Choose Knight.
Heh, I figured I wasn't the only one with a kran army of mules. ;D
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Just buy large crates, fill them up and place them close enough to the mule alt that he/she can pick up the crate, even if already overloaded.
Large crates weigh 540 now on Fragnetics. This is more than anyone can carry. The only way this would work is if you can park every single one of your alts next to the vendor that sells them.
EDIT: I don't think that vendor sells them any more.
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But now the small wooded crates hold more than the large crates use to. 125 for the small crates now vs 100 for what the large crates use to hold.
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You still can't get the large ones out of your house.
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i have a few large ones on my alt, are those still gonna hold 100 capacity?
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At least on my storage alt the large crates turned into small crates holding 125
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heh not worth the weight though i havnt checked but my alt might be weighing over 2000 pounds now lol
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don't use slots above 85 you've been warned. the engine supports only 85 slots there was a wrong amount set in the db for those crates
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oh geez for small crates or big ones?
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any container
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does that include sacks? and last night my small crates could only hold 25 again :\
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seems a container to me.
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Please don't make more and more excuses as to why YOU should be granted more time.
Clean it up, or I am coming for you, and you don't want that.
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i dont get it who was askin more time?
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Me, for example... hardly any member of our guild is able to tidy up the house "quickly" (due to chronic disease, hardware issues, or just a full-week job away from a flatrate connection); but I guess we are already rather tidy so far; most content is really roleplaying based, and in case of doubt, I'll have to summon several maids just for this purpose. And create a new email account only for the reason to create a new PS game account...
I just wonder if any GM would be able to rate a guildhouse if it is "acceptable" (without going mayhem if it is not yet).
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ya id just suggest picking up absent members stuff and giving it to them when you see em next
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sounds like a good time for a "garage sale"
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I would think that the purpose of this 'clean-up' was to get rid of all the stuff collected in guildhouses that could be stored on alts ( stacks of crafting materials / normal weapons / quest items / mushrooms etc )
I know some guilds have used Guildhouses as dumping grounds ( i.e store houses for many random items )
Surely the items used to decorate / furnish a guildhouse are acceptable ? ( within reasonable limits of course )
we should be able to have beds and a few cupboards and perhaps a few items to decorate walls ?
if not ?
what was the point of bringing furniture into the game for ?
It is great fun 'personalising' your guildhouse . . .it makes it your own and fits, i feel, within RP guidelines
I do understand that the server is sufering due to excess items in guildhouses , but to have empty 'bland' guildhouses takes away a dimension from the game and leaves it the poorer
just my '2 cents worth'
GRIZZ
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we should be able to have beds and a few cupboards and perhaps a few items to decorate walls ?
if not ?
It is perfectly acceptable to decorate your house with furniture and a few items. The main problem have been houses with hundreds of items. As long as you see a good RP reason for an item, keep it there. If it makes your house cosy, leave it there.
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From what I see, there's nothing too much being asked of the players.
Simply put excess items on alts, and furniture can stay out. Maybe a few decorative swords (a FEW), an Ulber rug (just the one), and a bookshelf or two. Perhaps a few beds, chairs and tables, arranged neatly and in good order, with maybe a loaf of bed and a fish for dinner set out on the table.
At least, that's how I'd decorate my GH.
Think of it like a flat you rent (for free) from the Octarchy. If you keep it IC tidy, you're not likely to get evicted. But if it's a great mess, with non-approved DIY renovations and swords in sacks left lying about, they're likely to kick you out and hand it to the guild who promises to keep the place clean.
So RP a spring clean if you have to, tear down your illegal renovations, and if your place just looks like a tidy house, then you'll be fine. Don't sweat.
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Just avoid Compulsive hoarding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_hoarding) (in german: Messie-Syndrom (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messie-Syndrom) -- funny that "Messie" is based on the english term "mess", but the term "Messie" is not usual in english speaking countries ... similar to "Handy" as mobile phone).
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what? you had fish and a loaf of bed for dinner, akaiddo? really? ;D
ligh, we spell it with a Y - "messy"
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A bed for dinner ... reminds me on the german saying "I'll eat a broom if that is true" (english: I'll eat my hat).
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Well, "messy" would be the english adjective, and as germanized personification: the messy person => a Messie.
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hello all
"We" have a guildhouse inside "we" have to manny items but i dont know what to do whit this items because they are not "mine" and manny of the player who
have thoses items dont come back in game !
now in game we can have a /storage option in npc shop perhaps it is not bad for the dev to think about a "guild storage acount" where i can put items of the guild menbers and where they can take it when they want , perhaps something we can open whit the "guild house key" ?
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Easy fix. Burn the items! If they arent coming online then your guild will need to decide how to dispose of them. I am with the Brotherhood of Talad, when we cleaned out our GH we sold of the inactive members things. Those who we knew where having technical difficulties had their things spared.
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I second- third- fourth- whatever!... the idea of a yard sale in front of your guild house! Great idea for spontanous rp and getting new folks to talk to you about your guild. Plus who doesn't like everyone else's trash? You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I used to carry around before storage!
By the way THANK YOU THANK YOU whoever yous you are, for creating STORAGE! :thumbup:
\\o//
Roled Rolak
Proctor
Knowledge Seekers
Carrier of the Song
Sons of Xiosia
Packrat non pareilel
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A guild should be interested in reliable members. Reliability does not only mean to play regularly, but even at least taking efforts in getting guild pals to know when you expect not to be able to play for some longer time. Even if the reason is just lack of interest. Members who stay away from any contact for a longer span of time (e.g. half a year) without any note are not "reliable members" in my opinion. And the less reliable members are, the less reliable their properties will be kept. If it was important to them, they would have taken care of it more often.
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I think if you are talking about common items, like ores, regular weapons, repair kits animal parts, then it shouldn't be a problem in selling off those items since they can easily be replaced. It is a rate item, special sword, quest item etc, then you could be nice and store those items. Of course if the player hasn't been on since the switch to the 0.5.0 client then their quests have been wiped and getting rid of quest itms isn't a problem.
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\o/ Sarva has spoken!