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Title: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 08, 2010, 03:27:11 am
These are the RULES for the battle event to be known henceforth as:

                                                                                
"THE CHAMPION'S CUP"

THE following will be allowed:-

*  Magic
*  Enchanted Weapons
*  All Potions
*  Hiring of assassins, mercenaries and
   bodyguards
*  Inter-guild treaties, together with any
   other available strategy or tactic imagin-
   able that will ensure the victory of your
   guild, so long as they occur within the
   confines of the chosen battle area....
  

ALL combatants must be in the combat zone 15 minutes before the battle begins so that enemies can be targeted, tactics finalised and deals made.

Mounts will not be allowed as this is considered to be cruelty to animals.

                                                                                             
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ENTRY is FREE to ALL

WHY not hire yourself out to the richest guild as sword/axe fodder?
          
                                                                                              
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Last Meal and Sacred Cleansing Ritual

NO later than 30 minutes prior to the start of the battle, a last meal will be served to all combatants.  Eat heartily in order to keep up your strength for the forthcoming battle.

FOR those religious combatants, sacred winch well water will be provided for a ritual cleansing before battle commences.  Depending upon availability, a priest or priests of different faiths will be on hand to assist those with this ritual.  if you have special needs in regard to your own faith, then please bring your own priest to assist you.

ON the day of the battle - at the chosen location - "The Champion's Cup" will be placed on the earth for all to see.  At a given signal, combat will start.  When members of only one guild remain, the Champion's Cup willl be unguarded and taken by the victors.  Their guild name will be inscribed into the Book of Honour.

AFTER one month the Champion's Cup will be placed once more into the area of combat and battle will recommence.

KEEP your weapons sharp and your brain sharper.

MAY the radiance of your God protect you.

Go in peace.

                                                                                                  
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[** No re-logging willl be tolerated once the battle has commenced.

This is an RP event and all players are expected to be IC at all times.

To be held on the first Saturday of every month at 21:00 GMT in the Dlayo pit of he Arena, commencing in May.
Winners must surrender the cup to the match referee at the end of their month]

                                                                                                  
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Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 08, 2010, 05:52:08 am
Yes.  That will include those people who are not in guilds..... \\o//
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Ironstark on April 08, 2010, 01:37:09 pm
i love the sound of this...  :devil:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 16, 2010, 05:05:19 pm
We have made some slight modifications to the rules of the Champion's Cup so please re - read the first post.

The main addition to the rules is:-

ALL combatants must be in the combat zone 15 mins before the battle starts so that enemies can be targeted, tactics finalised and deals made.



Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: bloodedIrishman on April 17, 2010, 12:12:52 am
This sounds like the perfect opportunity for me to smack up all yall with 1hit fist of volcano and mah dark way spellz. I gots skillsss.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Joale on April 18, 2010, 12:12:57 am
Ahh, good to see some other fighting competitians being brought.

Hydlaa needs a sport.

However, you have no problem with 20 people being slaughtered at one event, yet stand opposed to animal abuse?

You might just come out and say you don't want the speed boost. ;)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 18, 2010, 02:49:30 am
/me giggles  ---  we creatures are a mass of contradictions.  Im pleased you noticed....
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Vakachehk on April 18, 2010, 10:34:06 am

To be held on the first Saturday of every month at 14:00 GMT, commencing in May.


2:00am sunday my time! :( my internet turns off at midnight and doesn't turn on till around 7:00am so sorry but I cant attend
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Anibela on April 20, 2010, 12:09:52 pm
Im putting myself up for auction to the highest bidder, feel free to test me out  :)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 20, 2010, 12:16:51 pm

To be held on the first Saturday of every month at 14:00 GMT, commencing in May.


2:00am sunday my time! :( my internet turns off at midnight and doesn't turn on till around 7:00am so sorry but I cant attend

Subsequent events will be held at various different times to cater for a variety of time zones.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 20, 2010, 12:18:08 pm
Im putting myself up for auction to the highest bidder, feel free to test me out  :)

This is a great opportunity, particularly if you are not in a guild, to hire yourself out to the highest bidder as Anibela is doing.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 27, 2010, 12:28:03 pm
The first Champion's Cup will be held in the DLAYO PIT of the Arena.  Be there no later than 15 minutes prior to commencement of the battle.

Entrants who wish to partake in The Last Meal should be there at least 30 mins prior to the commencement of the battle.

Onlookers may take their place in the stands.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Falcon Avian on April 27, 2010, 01:53:48 pm
It's going to be fun maging everyone  ;D I just hope I don't have to go to my father's like what happens every time there is a major event.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Lorepius on April 30, 2010, 11:05:09 am
Hi guildies! You must have been wondering where I have been :) ! Computer crashed, PS didn't work.... but ill have it fixed this week... so! Say hi to everybody else and.... thats all, I suppose! :lol: :D I hope I fix it in time for the cup!  :lol:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 01, 2010, 10:37:51 am
Hi guildies! You must have been wondering where I have been :) ! Computer crashed, PS didn't work.... but ill have it fixed this week... so! Say hi to everybody else and.... thats all, I suppose! :lol: :D I hope I fix it in time for the cup!  :lol:

We hope so too!!!!  We have missed you.

Ketu is doing her exams so she is also absent for a few weeks.  But she'll be back soon.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Lorepius on May 01, 2010, 03:15:54 pm
Hi guildies! You must have been wondering where I have been :) ! Computer crashed, PS didn't work.... but ill have it fixed this week... so! Say hi to everybody else and.... thats all, I suppose! :lol: :D I hope I fix it in time for the cup!  :lol:

We hope so too!!!!  We have missed you.

Ketu is doing her exams so she is also absent for a few weeks.  But she'll be back soon.

Well #!?#! PS won't work for me anymore, probably a few months. So , this is probably goodbye! I'll keep in touch via forums but... Yay! I fixed it! I am playing PS on my old mac! It wont connect with the server thoe... I hope i come!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 04, 2010, 10:25:55 am
The Cup got off to a shaky start due to technical problems.   But, regardless of that, I believe that a good time was had by most.

The contestants shared a hearty meal provided by Master Chef, Elady, before the battle and, although all shunned cleansing themselves form the water pails before the start, their enthusiasm for the battle ahead was very catching and admirable.

There was a modest turn out in the stands so no noisy crowd control was required.

All of the contestants died save for Asiek and Heleckie from Diamond Claw.  But, due to unforseen technical difficulties during the battle, the trophy was not awarded to Diamond Claw and we are now working to resolves these difficulties before the next Cup.

The next Champion's Cup will be held the first Saturday in June at a time and place yet to be decided.

Prepare your weapons........

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Falcon Avian on May 05, 2010, 03:26:13 am
I was slightly annoyed by the bug. However, if it wasn't for it, I would have died faster XD

Overall it was a great fight...I will miss Asiek though  :'(
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 06, 2010, 04:41:46 pm
Asiek is back and fighting fit!!   :thumbup:  \\o//

Unfortunately though, due to a long journey he is about to make, he will not be here for the next Cup.  :'(  :thumbdown:


We all hope this event will grow stronger and stronger once people realise how much fun there is to be had in killing people.   :devil:

[Heleckie wipes the froth from her lips]



Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: louscroo on May 07, 2010, 01:55:37 am
You should screencap this next one and post it to Youtube.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 07, 2010, 04:56:52 am
You should screencap this next one and post it to Youtube.

You should get your sorry addle pated kormi over to the real server and then i wouldnt have to go to so much trouble!!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 11, 2010, 11:00:54 am
We are pleased to announce that the next Champion's Cup will go ahead as scheduled for the first Saturday in June.  The time though is different.  It will be held at 2100 GMT in the Dlayo Pit of the arena.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 21, 2010, 09:39:08 am
<Diamond Claw> is pleased to announce that for the next Champion's Cup, the esteemed SIR HANGATYR will be employed as the Referee.   :thumbup:

His considerable knowledge and fighting experience makes him an excellent choice.

To enlarge more upon the Rules of Battle:-

1.  it is important that all players assemble in the Dlayo Pit 15 minutes before battle commences.  Sir Hangatyr will need to ensure that all players intending to battle are legal and conform to the rules of engagement.  It is also important for there to be a 'warm up' to ensure that all players can target and be targeted.  Players must all stand in the centre of the ring and target a player and attack them NON LETHALLY in order to be sure that attacks can be made once the battle is under way.

2. Contestants can heal themselves but it is technically impossible for another person to heal a contestant.  So the employing of healers will not work.

3.  Mercenaries can take part in this battle on behalf of a guild.  But they must temporarily join that guild at the time of the battle.

4.  Contestants who claim to be a member of a 'secret guild' will not be allowed to take part unless they reveal their guild name.

[The next Cup will take place on 5 June at 21:00 GMT in the Dlayo Pit in the Arena. ]  As was the case for the last Cup, there will be a 'Last Supper' served to all contestants 30 minutes prior to battle, followed by a ceremonial washing.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: bloodedIrishman on May 22, 2010, 12:13:15 am
what will be washed and who will wash?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 22, 2010, 05:24:40 pm
You may, of course, wash whatever you like.  But it is recommended that you wash at least your hands before taking up your weapons. 

Ceremonial pails of holy water will be provided for this purpose and we would suggest that each warrior take a moment to reflect upon his life before cleansing himself.  This is a solitary act performed by the warrior himself.

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: louscroo on May 27, 2010, 06:10:20 am
You may, of course, wash whatever you like.  But it is recommended that you wash at least your hands before taking up your weapons. 

Ceremonial pails of holy water will be provided for this purpose and we would suggest that each warrior take a moment to reflect upon his life before cleansing himself.  This is a solitary act performed by the warrior himself.


Forget recording the Cup, THIS is all that's needed for YouTube.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on May 27, 2010, 06:33:24 am
Heleckie giggles

"Glad you like it"
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on June 01, 2010, 07:33:43 am
when is 21:00 GMT to PST
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Addeline on June 01, 2010, 07:47:43 am
when is 21:00 GMT to PST

You should be able to figure it out from here (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/full.html)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on June 30, 2010, 11:18:55 am
It is that time again !   \\o//

The July Champion's Cup will be held on 3 July at 22:00 GMT in the Dlayo Pit of the Arena.

Contestants should be there are 21:30 GMT in order to prepare for the event.  Ghoul seekers, hangers on and groupies, are welcome to watch from the bleachers.

Sir Hangatyr will once again be there in his role of referee.   :thumbup:

 
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 01, 2010, 09:10:40 am
So to make the rules straight, there are no rules but no staying by the wall thing?

Also how much potions are you aloud to have...? As much as you can carry?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 01, 2010, 09:24:01 am
Yes and Yes.

The one rule is that you have to be in the pit 15 minutes before the start time.  You must stand in the centre during this time so that people can target one another.  If you stand away from the centre and by the walls you may be disqualified by the referee.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 01, 2010, 09:58:35 am
Oh.... And there is one other rule of course, and that is no re-logging.  If you re-log after the battle starts you will be disqualified and banned.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 01, 2010, 11:00:43 am

I suspect that the enjoyability of these games will greatly suffer from the current imbalance between physical and magical attacks.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 01, 2010, 02:43:19 pm
/me nods :thumbdown:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sen on July 01, 2010, 02:49:30 pm
I assume armorless would make people die too fast? Im not a dueller and thus don't know...
I personally would go without armor and maybe give the duelists equally bad weapons then  :P
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: neko kyouran on July 01, 2010, 03:02:42 pm

I suspect that the enjoyability of these games will greatly suffer from the current imbalance between physical and magical attacks.

that will be nothing to the suffering everyone will receive from me handing out vuvuzelas to the spectators.

 :devil:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: weltall on July 01, 2010, 05:10:43 pm

I suspect that the enjoyability of these games will greatly suffer from the current imbalance between physical and magical attacks.

that will be nothing to the suffering everyone will receive from me handing out vuvuzelas to the spectators.

 :devil:

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=382
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 03, 2010, 05:44:35 am
1 more, last question, is food allowed?Like fish and carp and such? i mean when the battle begins
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 03, 2010, 06:19:16 am
A Last Supper is served 30 minutes before the battle.  All warriors are encouraged to partake.  The meal will be served in the bleachers.

Absolutely no food is allowed to be thrown around the dlayo pit.  And in case anyone has forgotten, no pets or mounts are allowed in the pit either!! ::|
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 03, 2010, 09:31:29 pm
A Last Supper is served 30 minutes before the battle.  All warriors are encouraged to partake.  The meal will be served in the bleachers.

Absolutely no food is allowed to be thrown around the dlayo pit.  And in case anyone has forgotten, no pets or mounts are allowed in the pit either!! ::|


It won't be thrown aroud, it will be eaten. Food also give energy like healing potions, but they are cheaper so i was wonder if they are allowed to be easten instead of healing potions
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 03, 2010, 11:17:17 pm
I understand food can be used as healing potions, but as u didn't specifically say you wanted to use food in that way, i just thought you wanted to bring your lunch.

Healing as it says in the rules is permissible (by any means at your disposal).  Just dont leave a mess afterwards.   :-*


Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 03, 2010, 11:22:51 pm
I understand food can be used as healing potions, but as u didn't specifically say you wanted to use food in that way, i just thought you wanted to bring your lunch.

Healing as it says in the rules is permissible (by any means at your disposal).  Just dont leave a mess afterwards.   :-*



Lol, Okay then
good luck
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 04, 2010, 12:07:26 pm

I enjoyed the games again, as it provides a good opportunity for testing various strategies against each other and to observe things turn out unexpectedly.

It is a pity so few fighters participated and that there is still so much confusion about the IC background, if there is any. I am sure the organizers will find a way to prevent future disputes in this context.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 04, 2010, 01:44:33 pm
The Third Champion's Cup was won by <Diamond Claw> with Asiek being its champion.  Diamond Claw would also like to give a special mention to Bonifarzia who helped DC secure the Cup by fighting on its side.

Once again, Sir Hangatyr did an excellent job as referee.

To  dispel any doubts about the purpose of the Cup, it is a mini war and not a tournament.  It is intended to establish the best fighting guild for the next month.
We look forward to the next one in August. \\o//
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 04, 2010, 01:46:38 pm

Sadly this exciting monthly event was slightly marred by the banning of Perlan for cowardly behaviour by the organisers  He was also given an official warning by a GM. :ban:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 05, 2010, 01:14:42 pm

This is not meant to offend anyone, but I simply could not resist spending ten minutes to contribute a little comic strip.

(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/bonifarz/cupcomic.png)

Don't lose your sense of humor, respect each other and stay peaceful.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 05, 2010, 01:16:17 pm
I love it!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: BoevenF on July 05, 2010, 03:52:58 pm
 \\o//
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Geoni on July 05, 2010, 07:35:38 pm
Oh no!

The vuvezelas.  ::|
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 05, 2010, 11:40:54 pm
I shall put in a petition to the GMs to see if we can have a few made up for the next Cup!!   :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 07, 2010, 07:24:02 am
Darn, i needed more potions. Boni and  Asiek with axes = death >:(
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 07, 2010, 10:08:20 am
It proves once again that axes are superior to magic in battles like these.  \\o//
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 07, 2010, 10:41:48 am
It proves once again that axes are superior to magic in battles like these.  \\o//

I would not say that the outcome of those games proof anything, as to few people participated and there is still much room for tactical and technical improvements, but it showed that my previous concern was not justified and game balance has been okay in this case.

I suspect that the enjoyability of these games will greatly suffer from the current imbalance between physical and magical attacks.

...  a good opportunity ... to observe things turn out unexpectedly.

My personal conclusion is that the tactical aspect will be much more important. The best way to dominate your opponents will be to focus your attacks such that there remains no time for healing, which requires a lot more of team play with the new rules. Still, I think close combat will be disadvantageous then, but I will stubbornly stick to it.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 07, 2010, 10:46:38 am
I agree with you Boni.  But there was so much concern over magic and area spells before this Cup ever got started, that I think it is interesting that on at least two out of the three Cups so far, they have been won with Asiek using axes.  I agree that tactics and skill are important in this Cup and not just brute force in either weapons or magic, and it will indeed be interesting to see how the Cup and its warriors evolve.  By the way Boni how did you die?  Did Asiek kill you..........?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 08, 2010, 06:43:29 am
Well, Asiek won because he has tons of potion >.<
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: bloodedIrishman on July 08, 2010, 06:52:07 am
zing
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 08, 2010, 07:43:58 am
Well, Asiek won because he has tons of potion >.<

Anyone can have tons of potions.  Potions alone don't make you a winner.  And who is counting the number of potions other warriors carried?  Don't tell me Maisent you are too poor to buy potions.  Besides, I thought you were bringing food with you.  Didn't you cook enough.....?  :oops:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Lollo on July 08, 2010, 05:00:11 pm
before the event is there a place where it shows who is competing?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on July 08, 2010, 05:41:20 pm
before the event is there a place where it shows who is competing?
. No.... Part of the fun is not knowing who you will be up against, There is a 15 minute warm up period before the event starts when tactics may be finalised in the light of unexpected entrants.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 09, 2010, 01:22:32 am
No.  It is a show up event.  But you must represent a Guild.  if you don't have a guild, then you may join one temporarily as a mercenary.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 09, 2010, 07:13:18 am
Well, Asiek won because he has tons of potion >.<

Anyone can have tons of potions.  Potions alone don't make you a winner.  And who is counting the number of potions other warriors carried?  Don't tell me Maisent you are too poor to buy potions.  Besides, I thought you were bringing food with you.  Didn't you cook enough.....?  :oops:

Lol, not enough apparantly
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 09, 2010, 08:02:27 am
Maisent you are a great competitor!  You killed me!! Isn't that enough....?  The Cup is still  :beta:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Lollo on July 09, 2010, 08:28:49 am
But do people have to register beforehand?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 09, 2010, 09:11:14 am
No.  Just show up half an hour before the start.  A Last Supper is served at that time and a ceremonial washing.  Then all competitors must be in the pit 15 mins before battle commences.  Any later comers will be disqualified.  15 minutes beforehand it is important that you make sure you can target and attack someone.  A non lethal attack will do.  Then Sir Hangatyr, our referee, will give the 'start' signal at the appropriate time.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on July 21, 2010, 10:51:58 am
I have great pleasure in informing the people of Yliakum that the Octarchy has endorsed "The Champion's Cup" by giving the organisers a special cup for the event.

This magnificent and very special Cup is now engraved with the words "The Champion's Cup" and it's description reads: Trophy for the Champion of the Guild War series"

LONG LIVE THE OCTARCHY AND THEIR DIVINE WISDOM.  \\o//

Sgd:  Heleckie Volaur
Guild Ambassador and Councillor
<Diamond Claw>
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on July 21, 2010, 10:16:25 pm
Unfortunatley i wont be there next month to see it... since my computer is Broken :(
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: novacadian on August 08, 2010, 03:18:08 pm
Just a thanks to those organizing the Champion's Cup this month. It was my first vist and participation and it was all that had been expected and more! Kudos to everyone and a special congratulations to Boni!

- Nova
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on August 08, 2010, 03:26:44 pm
Thank you for those kind words.  But from my own personal experience I can say that each Cup is different.  And the event is governed largely by its participants.  So thank YOU for attending and helping to make it a good time for all.
Heleckie
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on August 08, 2010, 04:31:04 pm
It is my great pleasure to announce the winner of this month's Champion's Cup........  Our Lady Bonifarzia representing her guild "The Order of Light".

Boni has been a great player every month and well deserves this honour.  Her guild will hold the Cup until next month.  Enjoy!!   \\o// \\o//

-Heleckie
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on August 08, 2010, 06:47:18 pm


I would like to thank everyone who attended to the games. It was a wonderful surprise to see far more brave souls enter the pit than expected, and most of the battle turned out to be sporting and fair. It is also astounding to note that even though the setting of these games highly encourages teamplay and coordinated attacks, a single warrior still has the fair chance to turn the tides and make his or her way to the cup. My special thanks go to all friends who supported a fair battle, especially Saili from the warriors guild.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on August 08, 2010, 11:53:01 pm
Congratulations
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on August 09, 2010, 08:31:43 am
Maisent!!  When are you going to get back on line?  We missed you at the Cup.... hehehe.  Truely though I hope to see you at the next Cup. ;D
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on August 11, 2010, 05:01:23 am
Maisent!!  When are you going to get back on line?  We missed you at the Cup.... hehehe.  Truely though I hope to see you at the next Cup. ;D

Uhm... Yeah i HOPE i will be there. Comp isn't fixed yet though..
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on September 02, 2010, 12:48:21 am
Good luck this saturday, I probably cant go.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Vakachehk on September 17, 2010, 12:46:29 pm
Just a question. Why is it done every OOC month? Why not every IC month?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on September 17, 2010, 01:49:33 pm
Just an answer    Simplicity.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on October 14, 2010, 01:49:01 pm
I was killing dark rogues as is my usual habit, when Grimul came to visit me.  Grimul, for those of you who don't know, is the Dakkru priest who helps preside over the Champion's Cup.  He slipped me a grubby looking note and asked me if I would read it and spread the news to the citizenry of Hydlaa.

I tried to get hold of the editor of the local rag but he seems to have packed up shop and gone on extensive leave.  So then i had the bright idea of posting Grimul's note here in the forum:

CHAMPION'S CUP...
                                                  CURSED,  
                                                      or             
                                                   WHAT???

A special report by Grimal Gorfest, special reporter and servant of Dakkru.


Consider the facts:

Xitop purchased the Cup from a rogue named Jacula, who dug it from a pile of trepor dung: the Cup is covered with magic symbols and precious stones of rare beauty. Then Jacula vanished without trace and strange things began to happen.

At the first Champion's Cup  entrants reported a "strange power"  stopped them attacking one another.  Then a fierce  warrior named Asiek
killed everyone except for his companion, the young and beautiful Heleckie, claiming victory and the Cup for himself. Alas! Asiek had to disqualify himself as soon as he remembered that he was the  tournament referee!!!

The Second Cup was fairly won by "The Warriors"

 At the next event, however, when Diamond Claw won, an onlooker, Perlan, a normally sane citizen was so possessed by emotion and desire for the Cup that he leapt the barriers on his faithful rivnak and mercilessly killed the winner!! To this very day, the still shaken Perlan will have nothing to do with the event and has not explained his out-of-character actions.

At the third event, the enki, Kisoji, was so fired up at the desire to be victorious he killed the young and beautiful Sciloy before the referee had said GO!!. Kisoji was eventually put down by the winner, Bonifarzia. He would have been disqualified anyway for his rash actions.

"The Warriors" won the  fourth Cup event, however, the next event was a fiasco. Xitop, one of the organisers, vanished while announcing the event. He was absent for 3 days, and says, " I remember nothing"!!!  Sir Hangatyr,  head referee,  was so overcome it seems, by the Cup's power that he also didn't turn up, leaving the 15 or so fighters who had entered that event scratching their heads in wonder. Rumour has it that he was seen sitting on the banks of the Lake of Tears with his wife, the young and beautiful Keela, sipping expensive wine from " a shiny, bejewelled goblet".

 So, is this famous trophy jinxed? Who knows.  Certainly  time will, as it always does, tell!!!

 By Grimul Gorfest,  Servant of Dakkru. :devil:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on November 07, 2010, 03:03:40 pm
Congratulations to Kapaiber and The Warriors .... another fine win [6th November]
Grimul.... The Cup Cursed?  get a grip.

I found these few lines on the arena floor. evidently we have a warrior poet in our midst:




                   "Say, what is that sparkle in Dakkru's  eye?
                    'Tis the soul of a warrior, about to die".
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on November 09, 2010, 05:50:03 pm
 Any other poets out there writing on  Warrior themes? Here is my effort:  "A Warrior's Song"

             As I go about my way through this beautiful land, I hear a bird sing.
            
             From Oja to Gug, Hydlaa to the EBD, it follows me .....
            
             I can hear it now... singing... everywhere... always.


            
             This bird carries my soul.

             So that,

             Should Dakkru take me,


             My soul flies ever free.    
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Caraick on November 15, 2010, 10:25:13 pm
Warriors FTW!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: BoevenF on November 15, 2010, 10:39:24 pm
Warriors FTW!!  ;D ;D ;D

really inspired... a bit cryptic but clearly focused...  :P
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on November 16, 2010, 12:01:21 am
Warriors FTW!!  ;D ;D ;D

Beat that, Xitop!!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Caraick on November 16, 2010, 12:34:01 am
...If you can...
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 16, 2010, 03:33:27 am
I want to beat warriors by myself 0,0 if i could ever get on... MUAHAHAHA
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Raikana on November 16, 2010, 08:29:23 am
I tried to get hold of the editor of the local rag but he seems to have packed up shop and gone on extensive leave.  

Can I ask which editor you refer to?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Caraick on November 17, 2010, 12:25:34 am
I want to beat warriors by myself 0,0 if i could ever get on... MUAHAHAHA

:D  Bring it.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 17, 2010, 07:24:28 am
I want to beat warriors by myself 0,0 if i could ever get on... MUAHAHAHA

:D  Bring it.

Lol, maybe. I can't make it to saturday next month because my computer would probably lag because of so many people and magic in the pit... mm we'll see
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on November 17, 2010, 01:46:33 pm
I want to beat warriors by myself 0,0 if i could ever get on... MUAHAHAHA

:D  Bring it.

Lol, maybe. I can't make it to saturday next month because my computer would probably lag because of so many people and magic in the pit... mm we'll see

Excuses.  A bad craftsman always blames his tools.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Jekkar on November 17, 2010, 02:40:32 pm

words




Stop yelling!

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: MishkaL1138 on November 17, 2010, 03:10:27 pm
I highly doubt I'll ever join the Champions Cup once… unless someone I know very well and I trust pushes me to help. First of all, because my chars are not skilled enough, and secondly… ALL the magic around. I mean, I can stand lag, I can train to max the way I've chosen, but… swords, axes, daggers, hammers, bows, and other weapons are there for something. Everyone will use magic bcause everyone knows that magic can be way more powerful than weapons.

Can't you do a 2-days torunament? One for wizards, and another for duelists. And you can join both! But, oh, I guess I'm still too newb to suggest this :P

*Mishka whistles and heads off, ready to slay some cutthroats*
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on November 17, 2010, 04:13:35 pm
Asiek won one of these battles using axes only.  It is a mock battle and therefore the unexpected can happen.  Magic is not always supreme.   The idea is to give people a taste of a battle where anything goes and as few rules as possible apply. Therefore, it is not like your usual tournament and in fact it is not a tournament.  But we will discuss your suggestion and see if anything new can come out of it.  In the meantime, please join us in the audience and yell and scream for your favourite guild.
Heleckie
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on November 17, 2010, 07:25:16 pm
  A battle mage is yet to win, thus far axes have prevailed. Maybe that's because standing still to spell-cast is far too dangerous... a still target is soon picked out as an easy one, people tend to keep moving and carry health potions rather than mana. Who knows, perhaps a new strategy will emerge. Also. it's worth reminding people that this is a team or guild event,  only once has a lone entrant won...  Bonifarzia.. though she was part of a powerful alliance who maybe shielded her from some of the blows, or at least drew some of the attention from her.

I may as well announce now, that  another guild is being invited to run the event for a while. Although Diamond Claw is quite happy to continue, I don't want the event to be seen as belonging to any one guild. As "The Warriors" have shown such great suport for the event, they have first refusal, and are considering  their options. Should they  decide not to for any reason.. perhaps they wpould rather just fight it out in the pit... and quite honestly, the event runs itself these days, with minimum input from organisers,  another responsible guild may step forward.
 A few individuals have stepped forward, offering to sponser the event on a one off basis with prize money or rare swords for the winning guild, so far I have refused such offers, considering Guild Honour to be prize enough, for ALL fighters, not just the winners. However, this is a matter for the organising guild to consider.

 It has recently been suggested that an easier targetting system  can now be established, by using a "group challenge" command, this has yet to be tested, if it works, there will be no more need for the rather confusing warm up exercise, and, the event could be held in different locations.

Signed with the seal of 
   Xitop,
 Keeper of the Diamond Claw


Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: novacadian on November 17, 2010, 07:42:02 pm
Everyone will use magic bcause everyone knows that magic can be way more powerful than weapons.

Venorel has been on one of the Champion's Cup events and, in that one at least, the magic users were targeted early on. By the time half the contestants were down my feeling is that most of the magic users were gone. That is not from direct observation so much but by the fact the lag continued to lessen up to that point.

The winner of the Cup on that occasion was not a magic user.

It should also be mentioned that Venorel was targeted by a magic user right from the start and was being hit with dazzling light. That quickly ended. My assumption is that so did the life of the mage casting it.

My feeling is that it is a good chance to see what it is like when no holds are held in the contest so one may see how they can stand up against all and any offensive attacks.

My vote would be to leave the Cup exactly as it is.

- Nova
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 18, 2010, 06:36:33 am
I want to beat warriors by myself 0,0 if i could ever get on... MUAHAHAHA

:D  Bring it.

Lol, maybe. I can't make it to saturday next month because my computer would probably lag because of so many people and magic in the pit... mm we'll see

Excuses.  A bad craftsman always blames his tools.

Ahahaha...Heleckie if only you knew what kind of comp i was using...
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: MishkaL1138 on November 19, 2010, 08:05:28 am
What I said is give the non-advanced magic users a chance. Nut now that I come to think about it, I still have Perlan and the Masers of Move :P

NOT everybody uses axes (for example, Mishka uses swords). NOT everybody uses Crystal Way and/or Dark Way. FEW people have enough powerful glyphs of the other ways to defend (or attack) theirselves from the other attacks (Water, Wall… and in my case, Lava. And other glyphs.). And NOT everyone uses heavy armor… some of the players around would rather use leather, or chain, because that's the way they choosed for their RPs.

I feel like whinning a lot about something I [highly doubt] will never take part in. Just my thoughts ;)

*Mishka summons a flame and throws it at a dlayo* Uh-oh… I messed up, HELP!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 20, 2010, 08:11:26 am
What I said is give the non-advanced magic users a chance. Nut now that I come to think about it, I still have Perlan and the Masers of Move :P

NOT everybody uses axes (for example, Mishka uses swords). NOT everybody uses Crystal Way and/or Dark Way. FEW people have enough powerful glyphs of the other ways to defend (or attack) theirselves from the other attacks (Water, Wall… and in my case, Lava. And other glyphs.). And NOT everyone uses heavy armor… some of the players around would rather use leather, or chain, because that's the way they choosed for their RPs.

I feel like whinning a lot about something I [highly doubt] will never take part in. Just my thoughts ;)

*Mishka summons a flame and throws it at a dlayo* Uh-oh… I messed up, HELP!

Well healing potions are allowed so even if you have a powerful magic thing hen that would be totally void, since the person with most potions will most likley win.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on November 20, 2010, 11:08:00 am


      Let it be known that "The Warriors" have agreed to take over the organisation of The Champion's Cup. Please look to them for further information and announcements regarding this matter, I wish them all success with their endeavours.

      signed with the seal of
  Xitop, Keeper of the Diamond Claw
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Caraick on November 21, 2010, 05:40:46 am
Woohoo!   :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :woot:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Hipie_Froboz on November 21, 2010, 04:04:09 pm
I am not fighting in the competition, but it came to my attention if you make it guilds only you can use the guildwar feature to solve your problems
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: weltall on November 21, 2010, 04:11:37 pm
I am not fighting in the competition, but it came to my attention if you make it guilds only you can use the guildwar feature to solve your problems
better to use groups then
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Koios on November 21, 2010, 05:29:27 pm
It is guilds only. But the good thing about using the Dlayo Pit (PvP area) for this event is that you don't have to start guild wars to make it work  ;)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 28, 2010, 10:30:12 pm
May i ask when the next cup is?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Koios on November 28, 2010, 11:04:45 pm
Unless informed otherwise, The Warriors will stick to the same time set in the inital post. That means that the next Cup will be 4th December 21:00 GMT
Hoping that many will come to fight for glory, or just to cheer for their friends  :)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Maisent on November 29, 2010, 05:08:26 am
Unless informed otherwise, The Warriors will stick to the same time set in the inital post. That means that the next Cup will be 4th December 21:00 GMT
Hoping that many will come to fight for glory, or just to cheer for their friends  :)

Thanks :P
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Vakachehk on December 01, 2010, 03:46:10 am
Unless informed otherwise, The Warriors will stick to the same time set in the inital post. That means that the next Cup will be 4th December 21:00 GMT
Hoping that many will come to fight for glory, or just to cheer for their friends  :)

...or you could go with a more RP approach by using the first IG Sunday of every month. If you do it right I know it could still be as popular as it is :)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Koios on December 01, 2010, 07:51:27 am
Not quite sure what you mean there. If we were to use the IG time and first sunday each month, we would have 72 Cups in a RL year. That would be a Cup every ~5 days, with varying RL time each time. For a game with a very limited population count at morning CET I don't see that as a good way to do it.
Or am I misunderstanding your idea?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on December 01, 2010, 08:31:26 am
He probably refers to the in game months (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37468.0), which would mean to have  ten events per year instead of twelve.
As far as I understood, the scaling factor of six should be considered for short time scales only.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Vakachehk on December 02, 2010, 10:41:15 am
Yes, I am meaning what Boni said. It's just an idea that could improve the tournament :)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on April 10, 2011, 09:31:01 pm
An idea currently being discussed is the addition of a new category for the Cup, so that  new players may take part:

I suggest that each guild uses footsoldiers of their guild [completely untrained alts] to do battle, thus anyone may paricipate, and the guild with the best strategy or tactics would win. Stats to be checked using the new myplane site. However, this may present problems with targetting in the pit.. currently a non lethal spell is used in the warm-up so that the issuing of  individual challenges is not needed, and without training, magic couldn't be used. If you could think of a way around this difficulty, or have another constructive suggestion to improve the event, please post below.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Jilata on April 10, 2011, 10:12:49 pm
nice idea. But what is considered unskilled? You can get through choosing the hisories different levels in skills. Ranged from 0 to around 15 I think
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Mekora on April 11, 2011, 02:30:34 am
Indeed, this is a very good idea. Jilata is correct - What are the requirements?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on April 11, 2011, 09:07:35 am
Indeed, this is a very good idea. Jilata is correct - What are the requirements?

Not sure what you mean, either of you.. as I said above.. no training of any kind would be needed, just membership of a guild. The problem being that atm, all entrants must target everyone else in turn with a non lethal spell so that they don't have to issue a challenge before fighting when the tournament starts. Untrained players might be Killed by such a spell.. because their stats are so low.. perhaps one very weak spell, that won't kill even a player with no training might be requiredfor entry to the event...but then a healing spell would be needed too! and what if one player was targetted by two players during the warm-up.. = DR01.. a solution to this is needed befor the event can go ahead. Thanks for the comments anyway.
erm.. maybe a few referees or others could heal the players as they did the warm up with non lethal spells?..  now though. the whole idea is becoming too complicated?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Heleckie on April 11, 2011, 10:03:05 am
The idea is great and I am sure we can find a solution if we all put our heads together....
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on April 11, 2011, 10:44:23 am

I have thought about similar things intensively quite a while ago, and honestly, I don't see a useful way to do this in context of the champion's cup.

The first and most important problem is the effect of healing items. Even with coordinated high end attacks, it can be difficult to take down a character that has a good supply of such items. Health caps are indeed low for some choices of character creation, but the limitations to inflict damage are much more (equally) pronounced at this stage.

The second and obvious problem is how exactly to define the restriction of an "untrained" character. The only fair way of handling this is to allow characters of exactly the same race and quick character creation path. With those paths and no further training, magic cannot be used in any reasonable way, unless you allow the use of certain precious skill boosters. Also, with standard quality weapons, it takes quite a few hits for such characters to take down each other, as chances to miss are annoyingly high. I don't think that you want to announce a general cap like 100 for all stats and 20 for all skills, which will result in players opt character creation and training to breed an army of alts that hit exactly the given limits.

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on April 12, 2011, 05:05:26 pm
 Thanks Boni.. could you please phrase this in a more constructive fashion?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sangwa on April 12, 2011, 08:39:39 pm
Hum. She was as constructive as it gets.

I find the idea of a "newbie" cup is intangible and incapable of brought forth. What you could do is use the league system, where the fighters that did worst are demoted to another league (from where the fighters who did better raise to the pro one.) Besides that, I can't see how you'd do it.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on April 13, 2011, 11:14:39 am

Don't get me wrong, Xitop. I highly appreciate the cup, as it offers a great opportunity to address questions of balance and strategy in cooperative combat, in a way that can be very entertaining. Also, I clearly second any effort to come up with ideas that make combat oriented events interesting without the prerequisite of excessive skill ranks. This does not necessarily imply a "Newby Cup", and I have not given up hope that such an event could be doable in some reasonable way.

In context of the champion's cup, fair conditions for "untrained" characters may need mechanics beyond what can be done as a "player event".
I doubt that is an option for now. Otherwise, it could be great fun to have some arena battle event where players are granted temporary control of some beasts that match the combat power of highly skilled characters. (I have the feeling that with the current mechanics, that would be a big mess to administrate, though. Still, it is less of an OoC sacrilege than to temporarily set player character stats without changing their appearance.)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on April 13, 2011, 11:57:08 am
Thanks Boni, I appreciate this response.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sangwa on April 13, 2011, 12:35:59 pm
Oh, I see. A constructive response must have compliments. Xitop, she just repeated herself and added a crazy idea about characters becoming monsters.

Like I said, this newbie thing shouldn't be a concern for such a type of competition.

The problem here is that in PS the difference between trained and untrained characters is huge in both quality and time. Therefore fighting competitions like these have no way to appeal to the rookie players, unless a system of leagues is created where the best raise up in league and fight the best, while the worst fight the worst and the new challengers.
Checking stats is silly, as is any idea that depends on the developers or GMs to do more than 2 or 3 actions at a time.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on April 13, 2011, 01:10:15 pm
... a crazy idea about characters becoming monsters.

That's not quite the same as players taking control of monster characters. And I am well aware that this is not doable without some heavy feature requests. Its just to add something to discuss, regardless to how far it is from being useful at this moment.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sangwa on April 13, 2011, 01:19:10 pm
I'm sorry, I was a bit harsh. I just don't like the idea at all.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: xitop on June 02, 2011, 09:43:57 pm
Last time I fought at this event, I hired a warrior-priest, one Ezus, as my personal bodyguard. This turned out to be not such a good idea, for the moment the ref said go, instead of fighting, he knelt down and prayed... not what I had expected, and, as usual, I didn't last long. However, this has given me an idea, so:

WANTED  10,000 Priests, Must be able to pray very fast!!  Your task will be, at the next Champion's Cup, as soon as the ref says "GO" to kneel down (in the spectators gallery) and start praying, quick as you can, for a famous victory by yours truely. By this means, I hope to secure a famous victory.Pay negotiable,

Signed with the Great Seal of Diamond Claw (an ancient and honourable guild),

By Xitop, Keeper of the Diamond Claw.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Catlemur on June 03, 2011, 02:07:06 pm
Fighting events are rubbish if they are not fair.I am tired of going to tournaments full of addicts with maxed stats who play this game since 0.1 and know all the tricks.
A newbie cup,leagues or we have a private game  for people with maxed stats. :thumbdown:
There are already enough aspects that are frustrating for newbies do not make fighting one of those. :@#\
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Rheos on January 07, 2012, 10:34:12 pm
The Way of The Hammer won this month, in a short but chaotic battle against a limited number of opponents.

Who will take up the challenge next time?

 ;)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: ketta on February 05, 2012, 02:54:25 am

Who will take up the challenge next time?


The daring ladies of Elemental Light prevailed against a formidable contingent from Way of the Hammer and a brave menki, Hromdair from Order of the Ways (hope I didn't miss anyone) to take possession of the Cup for this month!  Thanks to Kaipaber for being there and a salute to the combatants. 

Until the next battle...

 \\o//

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Rheos on June 04, 2012, 11:14:43 pm
The Way of the Hammer were not even contested for the Champions Cup this month.  As such the cup remains in our possession.

Accordingly, having won the cup several months in a row, I declare the hammers to be All Time Champions* and announce our retirement from the contest.

The cup will be brought to the arena at the usual time next month in the hope that at least two new teams will stand forth to contend for the title.

If not, we will either retain the cup or return it to the warriors guild as occasion demands.

Rheos - Keeper of the Hammer


*Cat among the pigeons? me?  (and the retirement may or may not be permanent either  ;D  )

In seriousness, there is an imbalance in the battles which deters new entrants and interest in general has seriously waned.
Perhaps it is time the cup was retired or at least reborn into a new contest.
Ideas anyone?
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Rheos on July 08, 2012, 12:08:06 am
A much better attendance at the Tournament this month with entrants from:-   
The Crystal Weavers
Elemental Light
Order of Light
The One
The Family

After heavy fighting, the field was whittled down to Sanrai Monarth, Bonifarzia Borunthar and Hirene Penifur.
Intense magical combat led to the fall of Sanrai, leaving Bonifarzia and Hirene to fight it out for the title.

After a good session of spell slinging ( and some axe work by Bonifarzia)  Hirene emerged triumphant , to take the cup for The Family...  until the next tournament.

Thank you everyone who took part and came to watch.    \\o//
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: MishkaL1138 on July 08, 2012, 02:19:08 am
/me huffs and promises not to enter the Cup ever again until magic is supressed and the combatants show their prowess with weapons as it should have been from the start

/me concurs with his char, nodding sagely
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sadie on July 25, 2012, 03:18:27 am
Sanrai harrumphs a bit re Mishka's huffs.

This must suprise you "duelers", but we "mages" can be defeated. Sorry you didn't stay, Mishka  ;)
We all have our way of dueling ... and let my trip to the DR show that there are many ways, not always successful. Next time I will concentrate....  ;D

Sanrai   :sorcerer:

Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 25, 2012, 10:24:36 am
we "mages" can be defeated.

Yes, but unfortunately, only by other "mages". It seems that mediocre armor skills are sufficient to become perfectly invulnerable against physical attacks with high quality armor. The magic resistances don't help the fighters, they just give an advantage to those who are proficient in many ways of magic. But anyways, I will stubbornly attend to see if again I can catch somebody off guard.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Gen on July 25, 2012, 02:11:57 pm
Kaipaber here. Given the current heavy unbalancement between mages and fighters, I would try, next month, to ban magic from the tournament and see what it comes [mind that the tournament was designed not to have rules, so this is just temporary]. Also, I would very much like do ban food and potions as they make the fight potentially infinite. The problem with this, though, is that for a single referee is impossible to check everyone's health, so it would all come to the honesty of the participants (unless a GM can help with this). Any input is much appreciated.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on July 25, 2012, 04:53:25 pm
I don't think that disallowing magic and food helps with the problem that the armor renders you invulnerable (unless you change to a stance that more or less disables it). However it could help to disallow wearing armor (and probably also bows then). Then the weapon damage is high enough to keep up with the superior range of magic and to make healing with food less reliable. Should be much easier to monitor than food usage.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Gen on July 25, 2012, 10:44:24 pm
Had no idea that armors became that strong - probably because I've never worn a crafted one  :sweatdrop:
I really like Boni's idea, so next month I'd try it. Hopefully the Cup will get more fun to play, and attract as many people as it used to!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Phantomboy86 on July 25, 2012, 11:37:07 pm
I can't even watch them because my client is held together pretty much by hope, so that much magic at once would freeze me! Less magic would mean those with less stable clients could attend or watch.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: tman on July 25, 2012, 11:54:32 pm
I can't even watch them because my client is held together pretty much by hope, so that much magic at once would freeze me! Less magic would mean those with less stable clients could attend or watch.

If it's the graphics that's troubling your client, try turning shaders to lowest before events.  My computer used to really struggle with the amount of magic cast during, for example, Taz's "Dark Mage" events, but putting shaders to lowest disables spell effects.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on August 03, 2012, 08:40:10 pm
Whoever is going to host the cup tomorrow should clarify in advance whether the use of armor (and ranged weapons) will be disallowed or if we stick to the usual (lack of) rules. I can understand if some folks would like to test their new, enchanted armors, though. 

Had no idea that armors became that strong - probably because I've never worn a crafted one  :sweatdrop:
I really like Boni's idea, so next month I'd try it. Hopefully the Cup will get more fun to play, and attract as many people as it used to!
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Gen on August 03, 2012, 09:33:15 pm
If I manage to come tomorrow, the rules will be: no armor and no magic

[Magic lag is very bad indeed, and makes the Cup almost impossible to play or watch. The only way to stop it is to disable spell effects, which the casual player can't/won't do. Also, I really miss duel tournaments, and since nobody seems doing them anymore, this might be a good opportunity.]

As for ranged weapons, I don't see anything bad about them, unless I missed some update....?

If I can't manage to come, I'd like whoever will host the Cup to try out these rules, or at least something different to his discretion, because I believe that the Cup is no more fun as it should, these days.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on August 04, 2012, 08:10:25 am
As for ranged weapons, I don't see anything bad about them, unless I missed some update....?
I thought it is a bit to easy to hit from a distance and focus fire with a group of archers. Also, only few were given q300 bows during some GM-item market. On the other hand, weapon switching is interesting and food is still to strong, so why not...
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Sarko on December 08, 2012, 09:01:57 am
Anyway looking at the last Champion cup... Well i do not call that a champion cup Its for me just a cookies eating competition... Far away from the first Champion cup... So all my Congratulation to the best Cookies eater we ever had... (Sorry I dont remember his name)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on December 08, 2012, 10:53:39 am

I agree that healing with food is one of the biggest balance breakers, but actually, during the last few months this was not the crucial factor. I have observed a damage absorption of almost thousand hit points per hit (!!!) due to high quality armor, so physical attacks were effectively disabled. Thanks to Eonwinds effort to fix task 5713 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=5713), as well as the major impact of task 5784 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=5784) on weapon performance, I hope the situation is very different now.

Also, the initial idea of the champion's cup was to encourage teamwork and a common strategy, and I am convinced that with a good coordination of magical attacks it actually was and still is no problem to take out a cookie eater very effectively. It just requires people to work together and stack spell effects properly. The same goes for coordinated physical attacks, but those are really much harder to time.

Considering task 2389 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=2389), I perfectly agree that fixing food would be highly beneficial for game balance, as it also encourages the production of healing potions. On the other hand, this should really go in tandem with a proper implementation of relaxing sleep (There are lots of tasks discussing the problems, e.g. PS#3861, PS#867, PS#354, PS#4644).

And by the way, congratulations to Karnath, I think his demonstration of various magic effects at least made some eye candy for the spectators.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Eonwind on December 08, 2012, 12:22:14 pm

I agree that healing with food is one of the biggest balance breakers, but actually, during the last few months this was not the crucial factor. I have observed a damage absorption of almost thousand hit points per hit (!!!) due to high quality armor, so physical attacks were effectively disabled. Thanks to Eonwinds effort to fix task 5713 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=5713), as well as the major impact of task 5784 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=5784) on weapon performance, I hope the situation is very different now.

Also, the initial idea of the champion's cup was to encourage teamwork and a common strategy, and I am convinced that with a good coordination of magical attacks it actually was and still is no problem to take out a cookie eater very effectively. It just requires people to work together and stack spell effects properly. The same goes for coordinated physical attacks, but those are really much harder to time.

Considering task 2389 (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/index.php?do=details&task_id=2389), I perfectly agree that fixing food would be highly beneficial for game balance, as it also encourages the production of healing potions. On the other hand, this should really go in tandem with a proper implementation of relaxing sleep (There are lots of tasks discussing the problems, e.g. PS#3861, PS#867, PS#354, PS#4644).

And by the way, congratulations to Karnath, I think his demonstration of various magic effects at least made some eye candy for the spectators.

as soon as the cooking update will be released the food effects will change, it will still be possible to stack food effects but exceeding will gives malus instead of bonuses
we're also thinking about adding a very small and light effect to consumable items (food, herbal, potions) just to give a visual warning when those items are used.

About relaxing sleep it's quite hard to find a good solution for the spell: forbidding the character to move while the spell is in effect is possible but will make the spell useless without preventing spellcasting at all, maybe reducing its power at higher level is a better solution but finding a good balancing point is not easy task.

On the other hand I want to rebalance the stamina use in combat and spellcasting. At the moment physical and magical stamina are useless and a fighter can goes on fighting endlessly without caring about stamina. Same can be said for spellcasters except mana drain gives a limit on its own.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on December 08, 2012, 01:06:04 pm
Thanks for the insights, Eonwind, this sounds very promising.

Concerning relaxing sleep, I think the best solution may be to cancel the restorative effect as soon as the character performs any action such as moving, casting, attacking or using items. Honestly, that looks still quite useful to me, maybe lowering the effect in favor of much shorter casting times. I hope I am not going off topic, but this one seems relevant to me.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: dadela on December 08, 2012, 04:43:36 pm
[..] just a cookies eating competition... [..] Congratulation to the best Cookies eater we ever had... [..]
It's been spend only 20 cookies during fight. Please, avoid making offending commentaries.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on December 08, 2012, 05:33:48 pm

Boni has not consumed any cookies, but lots of other food in order to survive a three on one situation, so Sarko probably referred to her. Anyways, she has done well in the early days of the champion's cup when no food was available for healing, so I don't feel bad about it  :whistling:
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on March 03, 2013, 12:20:22 pm

I would like to share a few thoughts after yesterdays champion's cup. I think with the current rules, this game could become quite interesting again, even though healing potions are way to useful right now (which should be no problem to fix). Since armor does no longer negate all weapons, players can actually make a difference supporting their guild also if they are not highly skilled. Magic has become quite  a bit more tactical, as I have tested with a friend: There are spells that effectively allow you disable a single target, and there are even ways to lower resistances, so with good teamwork, it should really be possible now to take down a single warrior like Boni. Keep in mind that archers are great for coordinated attacks now, and that no potions in the world will help you against a well organized group. Close range weapons can inflict heavy damage, but it is so much more difficult to time your attacks with friends. I think that's why mixed groups of warriors, mages of different ways and archers will proof much more successful in future cups, and that the game will then get back to the roots: A group fight where tactics and teamwork can outplay high stats and skills.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: dadela on March 03, 2013, 01:51:38 pm
Oh dear Boni!
Are you requesting army of hight skilled in variety of ways mages to appear and punch last winner at the next cup, or you're expressing will to to make him or her pin cushion?.. Since army of old grinders you ask to have there; and seems, like before, it could be a only way for silly non-weaponers to change balances in the cup, don't you?.. Klyrosh like me would like to watch this! May be behind magic shield of some kind, may be not. Who knows. May be too much magic Should be gone.  Or may be not. May be she would like to find fresh meat there more than old enchanted and trained one. But there won't be any.
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Taya on March 03, 2013, 03:37:21 pm
My only concern is that teamwork shouldn't be required in order for a group of mages to take on one single warrior. That's automatically placing weapon users as superior in all regards. A mage should have a chance in 1v1 combat with a weapon user. Five mages should have a chance against five weapon users. They of course should also have a chance against the mages in turn, which was the problem before.

As it stands, the current changes mean that the only regular team at the cup in recent months has quit. I'll probably offer myself out to any team that does want to give it a go in the future, as long as I don't need to guild switch, but I'm also feeling less motivated about taking part, at least until something is done about potion spam. I'd like to say our whole team will come back if potion spam is dealt with, but the weapon user to magic user potential damage differences / ways to reduce those types of damage just don't seem fair.

High level weapon users with optimal equipment, no matter how hard that equipment is to get, should not automatically be superior to high level magic users with the best equipment they can get when facing off in equal numbers.

(Just to note, I know balance is really really hard to get just right and that it's still being worked on, so this isn't a criticism of anyone, just my thoughts on the current situation exactly as it is right now.)
Title: Re: THE CHAMPION'S CUP
Post by: Bonifarzia on March 03, 2013, 07:49:13 pm
Heheh, I don't ask for anything, Dadela, the only thing I care about is that people are having a bit of fun  ::)
And yeah, maybe the champion's cup is not the right thing for that, so hopefully people will find interest in other combat games again.

Taya, I agree with most of your points, and I will gladly have more discussions and experiments with you about these. My impression is that a mage can do fine in one on one against a warrior (depends on many factors), and that a group of mages might do far better than a group of close combat fighters. We will see how things evolve as more spells are added.