Elady is acting on the information she has IC. IC she was told just before she left for Hydlaa about beer mugs being thrown in the tavern. When she had stepped out of the Stonehead moments before there were only 3 people in the tavern and one of the three told her about the mug throwing.
When I came back to the Stonehead the information I had was " Lady Peckerly is dripping from urin" That is the information I have IC'ly to act on. If the IC information I have and acted on is wrong then there is room for discussion.
Obvious use of semantics and bad reasoning to avoid simply taking responsibility for one's character's actions. This is like school on a holiday ... no class. You also lose points for coming up here and trying to bring GMs and the community into what is your situation to deal with. Your lucky this isn't IRL because banning and the police is definitely not all you would have to deal with, at least in my neighborhood anyway.
There was some interesting role play these last few days...
-A guy killing a pregnant woman. That woman loses the unborn child and marries the guy who killed her...
That guy walks around in Hydlaa as if nothing happened.
-Another guy puts poison in food to make women love him...Of course, this leads to the almost unavoidable cybering...
What a surprise, that guy is not punished
-So called 'Ladies of the night', or should I say hoes, are selling their service for in game money to customers. Again we have the cybering part...
And again, it is tolerated...
It is a bit surprising for me, to see that prostitution, murder and fabrication and use of poison seems to be more or less nothing in this planeshift world. Was anybody punished? Was there any legal action? As far as I know, some players are under 18. Is that taken into consideration?
As far as i know Planeshift has a medieval settings background. Please do not mix that up with what we have in real live atm.
I can imagine that it was a bit more rough in that days...
As far as i know Planeshift has a medieval settings background. Please do not mix that up with what we have in real live atm.
I can imagine that it was a bit more rough in that days...
No what I meant to say was, you observed Planeshift.
As far as i know Planeshift has a medieval settings background. Please do not mix that up with what we have in real live atm.1) More like Renaissance, actually.
I can imagine that it was a bit more rough in that days...
... not all you would have to deal with, at least in my neighborhood anyway.
Hell, I'm surprised you didn't get a ban from the game in general for that.
Troyyer you do realize that I am a regular player with no special ability to enforce the ban. Best I can do is tell you to leave if you come into the Stonehead and if you don't leave my choices are refuse to serve you, not talk to you or try to see if I can get a GM guard to come remove you, if the guards feel I have a valid reason to ask you to leave. Give what was said above about GMs not bringing in a guard simply because a player asks them to I'm not putting much faith behind getting a guard to toss you out if you don't leave on your own.
The Ban is not an official game sanction, unlike being put in jail, it is a RP thing but I can assure you I have no interest in talking or seeing any MOM member given the situation. I personally feel that disrespecting the Stonehead by messing it up, peeing in it and trying to pee on Lady P is disrespecting me since I run the place so as a player I can choose to avoid dealing with people I feel disrespect me personally and the Stonehead, and especially Lady Peckerly.
Noca - PLease not another Lady Peckerly kidnapping. Been there done that once already not that long ago. Cost me 30,000 trias
PLease not another Lady Peckerly kidnapping. Been there done that once already not that long ago. Cost me 30,000 trias
PLease not another Lady Peckerly kidnapping. Been there done that once already not that long ago. Cost me 30,000 trias
I concur I dont really wanna kill another person :innocent:
And too there is a great difference between sex (healthy) and rape (not to be tolerated). If one cannot figure out the difference they should refrain from it all.
But it seems like my being "sanctimonious" and calling for a general clamp down is more and more needed.
Peeing on the chicken is weird and demented as any player deciding that it is funny...
Act like human beings instead of sociopaths.
I have 3 comments:
1) It is unlikely that 'every IC action was agreed to OOCly before the rp' to paraphrase. Role plays go where they go- sometimes far afield from what was agreed on before hand by players. Roled was in on three group conversations planning certain parts of the 'engagement role play' which suddenly turned into a mind poisoning, torture including, rape including in game happening. That was NEVER EVER EVER agreed on OOCly. You know that. And you know, I would never ever agree to that as a basis of any story line I was helping with.
2) I have sisters irl and this is for them, and for me, in order to live in the rl world with some kind of humanity and honor. And to mirror rl emotions of our virtual characters.
It is totally unacceptable to tell people you are going to do one thing OOC, then push the limits of that into cybering, rape, harassment, abuse, torture, cruelty, under the illusion of IC actions. How old is the partner? Are you sure? Have they really agreed to that? Where is personal responsibility? Would a healthy person or healthy community or healthy respectful society use holocaust death camp actions for one's own 'fun' in a 'game'? If not then why on earth would one use rape as fun in a game?
It's the 'blame the victim' defense that I find reprehensible. "They all knew it was happening" Bull. I am honored that I have female character friends in this game, and I assume some of them to actually be female. Tho' I don't know. But think about it , who are the demographic playing this game? What is the likelihood that you DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA who that person is really, how old they are really, whether they are young but think they are old enough to handle a role play that turns a blurred line between IC and OOC.
3) It is the Responsibiliy of each of us to protect players from predators. Simple as that.
It is the responsibility of the GMs to act when THEY ARE TOLD BY PLAYERS about unacceptable OOC behavior. It is the responsibility of us as players to not tolerate any form of hatred and disregard of humanity. One cannot go around spouting racial slurs and expect to get away with it, IC or OOC. Neither should one expect to go around using and abusing women characters as objects or property or playthings for enjoyment. Be aware that sexual slavery is a real problem world wide. What if your little sister thought she was going to have a romantic picnic with some hunky avatar and then gets there and is instructed to take of her clothes, or do the bidding of this disembodied thing? Go to an adult chat room with a consenting adult and do that. Don't do it here.
Roled is tired of being nice to slime buckets. Roled has skills and mechanics.
Act like human beings instead of sociopaths.
Roled Rolak
Please let me add, that i really do not care what two adults are doing privately, as that is not my business.
Most everyone who knows Eelin also knows that I play Ahriman as well. He has been talked about a lot on the forums recently. For the record, Ahriman was created for the sole purpose of participating in a major RP. Every one of Ahriman's victims were volunteers and every one of them was given full reign to control the boundaries of the RP (eg. sex, rape, torture). There was never one incidence involving Ahriman's participation that was not discussed and agreed upon OOCly before it took place ICly.
And as Sarva pointed out, Ahriman did pay for one of his crimes, and he made a rather remarkable self-atonement for another. The point, RP crime has consequences and Ahriman is facing them.
If i understand this correctly, and speaking in general, in certain situation one just creates an alt to rp weird stuff.
But if you create an alt for the short term and you use that alt to rp weird stuff it looks a bit fishy in my eyes.
I appreciate the way you contribute to this discussion, Eelin. At least, it seems to be possible to talk to you in a civilized manner.
We seem to agree to disagree in some areas. That's life.
I'm the nicest guy in the world, and harbor no hate or resentment to anyone. Some have a tendency to attach Ahriman's actions and beliefs to me, the player.
Additionally, how can a player ban other players from certain areas of the game?
From an IC standpoit, I think it should be done by either the Octarchy or the Vigesimi. That means it should be done by GM's and/or devs.
When i look at the Octarchy decree 425 AY, i can not find anything that would indicate, that trying to pee at a kikirii is considered a crime.
[...] XXII. All animals, pets, or small flying beasts shall be treated well. [...] Mistreatment of animals is prohibited. [...]
I'm the nicest guy in the world, and harbor no hate or resentment to anyone. Some have a tendency to attach Ahriman's actions and beliefs to me, the player.
I think the problem is more that even in an RP setting certain topics are considered taboo not matter what. Sex and violence without constraints has almost always been viewed warily in the PS community. People can get weird and there is no need to give them a sandbox to do that in. Rape in particular was considered tasteless and the domain of talentless RPers. I remember one I was around back in kada's, the whole matter was ridiculous and completely tasteless. That's not to mention the needless purple prose and bad RP. It being in main was just the final straw on the matter.
You have stumbled into a game that does not really support role play. Its called a role playing game, but it really isnt. We have asked repeatedly for rules and guidelines for players to prevent these types of situations repeatedly but got ignored each time. Unfortunately this sort of crap role play is a hallmark of planeshift. Planeshift considers this to be acceptable so dont expect it to get much better than this.
oh really?
http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34508.0
made by the players, for the players.
[e] and the follow up to that: http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=36546.0
if the player base sees these acts go on in game, and does not report them, then they have only themselves to blame for the way the game's community evolves.
[...] The fact remains that running around pissing on things is not acceptable RP.[...]
Considering we have an issues where people think that good RP means pissing on and raping chickens,[...]
And as I told Eelin today, Please know that everything I have said, I said out of a place of love and respect.
I maintian my utmost respect for you!
When. for Dakkru's sake, are we going to marry? I'm sorta tired of waiting. Really.
Please, do not fabricate such stuff!
Claiming false things is certainly not warranted.
Or should i say it is insulting...
[...]
So you deny the fowl allegation that you are a chicken predator?
[...]
Interesting Verden,
in this thread you wrote:
Quote from: verden on August 13, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
"[...] The fact remains that running around pissing on things is not acceptable RP.[...]"
I found this in another thread:
Quote from: verden on August 13, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
"Considering we have an issues where people think that good RP means pissing on and raping chickens,[...]"
Please, do not fabricate such stuff!
Claiming false things is certainly not warranted.
Or should i say it is insulting...
When. for Dakkru's sake, are we going to marry? I'm sorta tired of waiting. Really.
Kirna...Is that you? You ruined my surprise! Oh well, our secret is out, order the dress!
When. for Dakkru's sake, are we going to marry? I'm sorta tired of waiting. Really.
Kirna...Is that you? You ruined my surprise! Oh well, our secret is out, order the dress!
Sure, love!
* Kirna grins
But...
Are you sure we can afford what I would like to order?
Please send me a groffel soon, we need to talk.
made by the players, for the players.
According to some African tribe traditions the man who pissed on the chicken shall now marry it. :devil:
made by the players, for the players.
Sadly, the players have tried over and over again to enforce RP, or at least try and teach a lesson to those new to RP, about the what should and shouldn't be done. Very few people agree and learn, many people pick fights and call names *coughs* the E word *coughs*, and most don't want to read what they should, out of laziness.
made by the players, abused by the players.
I have 3 comments:
1) It is unlikely that 'every IC action was agreed to OOCly before the rp' to paraphrase. Role plays go where they go- sometimes far afield from what was agreed on before hand by players. Roled was in on three group conversations planning certain parts of the 'engagement role play' which suddenly turned into a mind poisoning, torture including, rape including in game happening. That was NEVER EVER EVER agreed on OOCly. You know that. And you know, I would never ever agree to that as a basis of any story line I was helping with.
2) I have sisters irl and this is for them, and for me, in order to live in the rl world with some kind of humanity and honor. And to mirror rl emotions of our virtual characters.
It is totally unacceptable to tell people you are going to do one thing OOC, then push the limits of that into cybering, rape, harassment, abuse, torture, cruelty, under the illusion of IC actions. How old is the partner? Are you sure? Have they really agreed to that? Where is personal responsibility? Would a healthy person or healthy community or healthy respectful society use holocaust death camp actions for one's own 'fun' in a 'game'? If not then why on earth would one use rape as fun in a game?
It's the 'blame the victim' defense that I find reprehensible. "They all knew it was happening" Bull. I am honored that I have female character friends in this game, and I assume some of them to actually be female. Tho' I don't know. But think about it , who are the demographic playing this game? What is the likelihood that you DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA who that person is really, how old they are really, whether they are young but think they are old enough to handle a role play that turns a blurred line between IC and OOC.
3) It is the Responsibiliy of each of us to protect players from predators. Simple as that.
It is the responsibility of the GMs to act when THEY ARE TOLD BY PLAYERS about unacceptable OOC behavior. It is the responsibility of us as players to not tolerate any form of hatred and disregard of humanity. One cannot go around spouting racial slurs and expect to get away with it, IC or OOC. Neither should one expect to go around using and abusing women characters as objects or property or playthings for enjoyment. Be aware that sexual slavery is a real problem world wide. What if your little sister thought she was going to have a romantic picnic with some hunky avatar and then gets there and is instructed to take of her clothes, or do the bidding of this disembodied thing? Go to an adult chat room with a consenting adult and do that. Don't do it here.
Roled is tired of being nice to slime buckets. Roled has skills and mechanics.
Act like human beings instead of sociopaths.
Roled Rolak
Well said Roled and i agree.
If i'm asked by Parents about their kids playing planeshift, i certainly can not recommend it...
Please let me add, that i really do not care what two adults are doing privately, as that is not my business.
8-15-10
Friends and PS Community: MY APOLOGY and CLARIFICATION
It was brought to my attention that some folks may have inferred meanings from my original post that I didn’t intend. Specifically some think, from reading my post, that I was accusing Eelin of the issues in my items two and three. That wasn’t and isn’t my intention at all.
My first comment was in direct response to Eelin’s post. I still believe it to be true that role plays change, no matter how much planning happens, and that there was never an OOC plan or agreement to include torture or rape in our engagement rp. Eelin and I and I think everyone else involved concur on that. It wasn’t planned.
My second and third comments DO NOT refer to Eelin/ Ahriman. I am truly sorry if anyone has drawn that conclusion. I did not intend to accuse Eelin or his player, or anyone specific, of these issues. I meant my comments about using rape as entertainment as general comments. I meant my questions as to 'do we know who we play with' as general questions, as cautions to us all as responsible people.
I am truly sorry to you, Eelin, that you have borne the brunt of this misconstruing of my general meanings.
Comment 3 was also meant as a general comment. Please don’t assume that I was calling anyone a predator. That is certainly not what I meant. My comment was about generally behaving as caring and humane people.
Finally I am retracting my entire comment about my PS virtual character being ‘nice to slime buckets’ because that was taken wrong too apparently. Roled as you know is a goodie two shoes mostly. I am sorry for any hurt feelings I have caused by his spouting off and bluster. And for my responsibility as his player for allowing him to do so.
I do stand by my final sentence in the original post.
Please let’s act like human beings and not sociopaths.
On that note I apologize again, to Eelin, to anyone I have offended in character or ooc, through my flawed humanness and my mistakes. I am truly, truly sorry for any mistakes I have made, any untrue rumors about anyone especially Eelin, and any hurt players have borne from me opening my mouth.
And as I told Eelin today, Please know that everything I have said, I said out of a place of love and respect. I may be wrong in my assessment of the impact of what I was saying, and I may have been clumsy and unclear in my expression. But please know my intention was/is to contribute to making our little game world more loving and more respectful.
I am truly sorry for all the ways that I have failed in fulfilling my own intentions.
Sincerely,
Roled and
Roled’s player
1) I think a lot of the issues arose from people not realizing that it was ok to say no. You never HAVE to do what someone else wants you to. You never HAVE to be the way someone else wants you to be. No one else should ever have that level of control over you; that is simply another form of god-modding.So very true, and might I add that the person being an otherwise good RPer still does not entitle them to being allowed to derail your character. People usually let good RPers bend the rules, but if you are uncomfortable, you have the right to walk out on the RP. Displeasure of another RPer won't kill you, ask noobs that don't use brackets. ;)
2) Unless you have met someone face to face, you cannot be sure who they are across the internet. There is no way to know for sure how old someone is in this game, and the PG/PG-13 rules are in place to protect minors from being exposed to things that can be both too mature, and potentially disturbing to them. People may claim to be 18 or older, and in reality be very young.Very important to keep in mind. Might I also stick out that tolerating inappropriate behavior will make PS more attractive to predators and can worsen the problem exponentially. You might consider it kiddy to hold back but keep in mind that you only going so far doesn't people from keep pushing past you and go father and farther. Best to leave a clear line in the sand to prevent things from going to far in the first place. We all know some folks can't self regulate. ;) And the last thing we want is for PS to become a predator's sandbox. Goodness knows, even I still care about the game enough to not want that to happen. Verden is quite right.
I do not think it [sex RPs] should ever become a common event, or used as "filler" when someone cannot think of anything better to do. Others in this thread have mentioned writing "events" without ever describing the details. I personally find this to be a wonderful way to give one's character development, without pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable to write in a game. There have been a few times when myself and those I was writing with have agreed to "not and say we did." It is entirely possible for two characters to be in a romantic relationship without ever writing intimate scenes. Part of that involves talking to the player of the character you are writing with, and deciding what you are both comfortable with, and what you both wish to gain from the RP. If both people are not happy, then it is not going to be a fun, productive RP.\\o// thank you... very salient point here. Sex has become more important than other aspects of the romance and it seems more than the overall RP, thus throwing off the balance and messing with the story. Let me reference a sources that back you up here.
Love is a powerful emotion. It can completely change the way a character acts and thinks. It can be used to create drama, comedic relief, or suspense. Maybe the writer just wants to tug at the audience's heart in a way he couldn't with the rest of the story. Whatever the reason for introducing it, love is a powerful weapon in storytelling that can also make the audience feel okay with abrupt, arbitrary sex scenes.Think Padme and Anakin's romance in the new Star Wars movies and you have the prototypical example.
However, like most weapons, a love story can be deadly in the wrong hands. Sometimes, a writer gets so caught up in wringing every last drop of blood out of their romantic stone that they forget they have a compelling A-story to tell. This results in a Romantic Plot Tumor: a comparatively weak romantic sub-plot overtakes the potentially more interesting main plot.
My biggest actual concern with the sex RP, is not that it happens, but more the focus that is placed upon it. The point of this game is not to come in and have intimate scenes every night, over and over again. So much of the actual fun of this game, and its RP possibilities are lost within a constant need and desire for sex RP.
I know for a fact certain events took place within the recent long form role play were NOT agreed upon nor discussed in advance.
@ Illysia: Hehe, I do get verbose, don't I? Thank you for hitting the main points for me. :D
/me fails at lurkdomHehe... so hard ain't it? ;D
...but I have not mentioned who was in them, or the details thereof, so I do not see how it could be construed as scornful or angry
@ Illysia: Hehe, I do get verbose, don't I? Thank you for hitting the main points for me. :D
Speaking only as a single member of the GM team I feel ANY kind f rape RP is totally unacceptable. I don't care how much all the parties say it was planed, agreed to and consensual. I think if such an RP is brought to the attention of the GM team then everyone involved should be looking at a ban, especially if the details of the rape are acted out. Again just one GM's opinion but if need be I'll push hard that my view is acted on if the situation comes up.
yes indeed ... just another form of god-modding.
Robert says: I will own you all, weaklings!
Robert shoots pure energy from all his pores, killing all those in sight.
Sangwa laughs the crazy dude.
Robert jumps to the ceiling and sticks there with his arachnid powers Talad gave him. He keeps pumping energy, killing puny Sangwa.
Sangwa says: (Dude, you're crazy, I'll report you.)
Robert says: Hahahah, I can all!
Robert turns into Talad, implodes the house and then puts it back in its place, erasing the people there from existance.
(repeats these types of action ad nauseum)[/i]Robert punches Sangwa in the mouth for no apparent reason, blowing his teeth to pieces.
Sangwa gets punched in the face and bleeds a bit from the corner of his mouth. His teeth are as lovely as always though.
Sangwa tells Robert: Sorry, but it's my character. I decide what happens to him.
Robert tells Sangwa: Oh, but I am uber powerful leet?
Sangwa tells Robert: You could be Talad.
Robert tell Sangwa: Fair enough. I love you.
It's the 'blame the victim' defense that I find reprehensible. ***edited*** I am honored that I have female character friends in this game, and I assume some of them to actually be female. Tho' I don't know. But think about it , who are the demographic playing this game? What is the likelihood that you DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA who that person is really, how old they are really, whether they are young but think they are old enough to handle a role play that turns a blurred line between IC and OOC.
3) It is the Responsibility of each of us to protect players from predators.
Act like human beings instead of sociopaths.
Roled Rolak
God- modding that you have energy beams coming out of your fingertips is one thing- annoying but innocuous. Pressuring others to participate in role play actions that are beyond acceptable limits for a PG-13 is quite another, as several of us have pointed out.
Nooooo.... but maybe when you make my own shadow turn against me... :P
/me huggles Falcon