PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: kosak on May 21, 2003, 08:57:18 am
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Are there any plans to translate Planeshift to other languages ?
Or perhaps to build a Multi-language-Client ?
Or even different Sub-Servers with different languages ?
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I could do translations for german and french... :]
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Why would that be good???
In-game you would still need to speak english EVERYWHERE. So the translation is pointless.
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Greetings,
E.
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Try again elminster..
No, there will not be made multi-language client programs by the devs, nor will the game be translated by the devs (you can make your own german/french/chinese etc. client - that\'s why it\'s open source, but I\'m not sure about the compability with the PS servers).
And elminster, it\'s nowhere near required to speak english anywhere in PS. Yes, the NPCs only communicate in english, that is true.. English is strongly recommended as it is something which most, if not all, people can speak, but it\'s not against any rule to talk to others in some other language. It\'s only the boards that should be kept english-only.
And kosak, if you want a Sub-server in some specific language, set it up yourself. The server files are here: http://www.planeshift.it/download.html . And btw, please keep your posts within 1 post. There is a button called \"Edit\", you know...
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kosak if you translated the game into French there\'ll be many people interrested in joining your server ;) There are many French that remain hidden and would be REALY pleased to be able to speak their mother language :D (and RPing in English is REALY hard when you can\'t say all the nuances you have in mind, and when you need a dictionnary every 2 sentence ;) )
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I think that would just slice-up the community. There would be germans, french servers, and (to the rest) english servers. Players like me won\'t be able to go up to many of these, as I can only speak English (and German a bit). So what about us and others: polish (polack), slovak, hungarian (like me)??? Should we all have sub-servers??? That is not a good idea.
The world is not just: french, german, english! But as english is the most accepted language on thr Net, we in the eastern part of Europe have to learn this.
Again, this would only slice-up the community.
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Greetings,
E.
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You are a Hungarian? Yay, then its two of us.
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Originally posted by elminster
I think that would just slice-up the community. There would be germans, french servers, and (to the rest) english servers. Players like me won\'t be able to go up to many of these, as I can only speak English (and German a bit). So what about us and others: polish (polack), slovak, hungarian (like me)??? Should we all have sub-servers??? That is not a good idea.
Almost all other major MMORPGs have multiple servers for different languages.. keep in mind that not all are equally skilled in english, and would require such servers for them to fully enjoy the game...
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Sounds like a really tough job to do translations. It doesn\'t look like Planeshift had this in mind. It\'s an interesting thought though. Even if there were no *localized* servers I think that the way Planeshift is designed to have different worlds on each server might open the possibility to such a thing. It\'s probably not a good idea to do any translations now since Planeshift is still very raw but in the future who knows?
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Originally posted by chrischoo It\'s probably not a good idea to do any translations now since Planeshift is still very raw but in the future who knows?
I totally agree. We shouldn\'t split up the community (yet). These are ofcourse only my own subjective thoughts.
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I could do translations for german and french...
No one likes a bragger. but who am i to say that? no one likes me :P
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I could do translations for german and french...
Yes, and I could do translations to Hungarian, Latin, German, AND English :]
EDIT: Just bare to understand it :D You probably won\'t, if you are German - that is hard for me.
Originally posted by tasadar
No one likes a bragger. but who am i to say that? no one likes me :P
What??? You here??? What the hell do you think, get the hell out of here, how do you take the courage to write? AND EVEN HERE? Get the f**k out of here, anyway no one likes you ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Greetings,
E.
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I think that would just slice-up the community. There would be germans, french servers, and (to the rest) english servers. Players like me won\'t be able to go up to many of these, as I can only speak English (and German a bit). So what about us and others: polish (polack), slovak, hungarian (like me)??? Should we all have sub-servers??? That is not a good idea.
The world is not just: french, german, english! But as english is the most accepted language on thr Net, we in the eastern part of Europe have to learn this.
Again, this would only slice-up the community.
I absolutely agree that at this early stage of developping it would be an error to split people because of their native languages, we wouldn\'t have this wide pool of ideas, and as many points of view to confront.
However, once the game is released I would LOVE to have a French server. Not that I don\'t like other languages (if I did what would I do here reading english all day long ? :D). But roleplaying demands a perfect use of the language, what if someone gives you a task that you even don\'t understand ? Even on these boards I spend much time looking for missing words in my dictionnary. Furthermore speaking for a long time in another language is REALY tireing (needs more brain effort than naturally speaking in your mother language).
And to finish with, since it\'s open source, anyone can translate into any language ;) even you elminster, just team up with other English-speaking Hungarians to translate the game !
But most of the time the reason why we only have French/German/English translations is that those languages are the most spoken in western countries, and that countries speaking those languages are the ones that can make devs make the more money. It is sad to say so, but pay-to-play games are only interrested in money...
So instead of criticising a possible French translation, tak the chance that it is open source to translate it into Hungarian ! The first Hungarian-speaking MMORPG, I\'m sure you would have a great success ! (and this is NO irony)
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Originally posted by Thynett
So instead of criticising a possible French translation, tak the chance that it is open source to translate it into Hungarian ! The first Hungarian-speaking MMORPG, I\'m sure you would have a great success ! (and this is NO irony)
Thank you, really! But sadly, it is ironic ;(
We are but a small nation, got even smaller in the last century - I have only found ONE (1) other hungarian player so far - I don\'t think any more exist.
All right, then I agree with translations - it will be better for you, german and french players. I will have to stay with the english version, as that is the foreing language, I can speak the best. :(
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Greetings,
E.
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*wow* nice little discussion... :D
IMHO the development of the Game isn\'t already so far completed that a localized Version of Planeshift would make sense...it was just a suggestion for further releases...
@elminster I feel symphathy for you :D ;(
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Thank you. :rolleyes:
Maybe one day we will meet in the game too.
kosak - I won\'t forget that name.
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Greetings,
E.
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For the translation can all the french player or user contact me at
babyenchere at yahoo.fr
Thanks i\'d like to make an official translation or a official server thanks
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eupholis >
Official server : http://www.planeshift.it/download_servers.html <-- Check that.
Official translation :
Bad idea. Make your own server and do an unofficial translation instead.
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Originally posted by eupholis
For the translation can all the french player or user contact me at
babyenchere at yahoo.fr
Thanks i\'d like to make an official translation or a official server thanks
I\'m french too, but I think it\'s too soon to make a french version + server. The game is still unfinished, and not likely to attract many people. A french server would only drain people from the official server. I think it may be a good idea, but only when the game is finished (or at least fully playable) and when the main server is overcrowded. Then there will be a need for more servers, and a french one would be a good idea, and likely to attract enough players.
edit : Actually, I think for now it would be a better Idea to make a french site to help french players, with translation of all the docs, help for the quests for which you need english, and a french help forum. And a french guild in the game, so that french users would be able to talk and play with other french players, and get help from the ones who also speak English who would act as interpreters.
PS : I say \"French\" because that\'s the only one I could contribute to, but of course that applies to any other language.
PPS : See my idea (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=3896&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=c5a14209e07ef1d9b11009f4f70bf685) on how different languages could co-exist on the same server, and add to the roleplay
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French french french french... Why do french people thing they own the world with them and their silly little language. Take a much bigger language like spanish. If I\'m not really mistaken there are QUITE at few more people who speak spanish, or at least understand it. Let me mention a few countries I can think of without hurting my head too much.. Spain, of course, argentina, brazil, portugal, and some countries sorrounding these... Or what about chinese? I mean, if chinese isn\'t more used than french is, then someone, please slap me. My point? French people are, in general, very selfish. Try thinking of other people, and learn some other language than your own. Please. Same goes with spanish people whom I don\'t really like either. :P
Anywho, creating a whole new site, forum and what-so-ever just to please the french people is a very - VERY - bad idea. Why? Let me tell you. At least 95% of the people on these boards (a few thousand if I\'m not mistaken) understand english well enough to sign up, and post. That includes french people. So, if you guys are smart enough to post on the - yuck - english forums, why even bother making a forum just for frenchies, where noone except french people understand anything? I mean, at least here everyone knows what\'s going on, and it\'s not some closed society.... Oh look at me, just babbling on about some nonsense stuff. I think I\'ll stop here. :P
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Wooo, go Grono! :))
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Ideally language could be addressed in such a way that there is no division in the community.
An initial option screen could displayed where people could choose their first language. They could also tick all other languages which they would like to have automatically translated into their first language. Whenever any messages were sent to the client in one of the selected languages, it could then give a crude translation. It would know what language other players were speaking by what they had chosen as their first language. The system would know messages from NPCs are always in English. Perhaps eventually human-translated versions of the NPCs\' messages could be substituted in important cases. If an english speaker who knows Spanish also knew they were speaking to a Spanish speaker, they could hold shift when they enter their messages or some such so that they can circumvent any attempt at translation by the other\'s client.
We know the such can be done but it would probably require someone to come to the party who has the skills applied in such cases as babelfish, http://www.free-translation.com and so fouth....
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French french french french... Why do french people thing they own the world with them and their silly little language. Take a much bigger language like spanish. If I\'m not really mistaken there are QUITE at few more people who speak spanish, or at least understand it. Let me mention a few countries I can think of without hurting my head too much.. Spain, of course, argentina, brazil, portugal, and some countries sorrounding these... Or what about chinese? I mean, if chinese isn\'t more used than french is, then someone, please slap me. My point? French people are, in general, very selfish. Try thinking of other people, and learn some other language than your own. Please. Same goes with spanish people whom I don\'t really like either.
As I said, What I\'d like is to see every language represented, but unfortunately I can\'t speak for spanish people, who are definitely more than us, because I\'m french, sorry about that.
Now you\'re absolutely right on 1 thing : French people are lazy and selfish, and most of us don\'t know how to speak English, and that\'s a shame (I agree with you, and was not offended because I\'m one of those who can speak English, at least enough to post on those boards). But anyway, the fact is, playing the game for a few hours, I saw 2 french guys lost because they didn\'t understand anything, and not one guy speaking spanish... maybe french pple are more attracted to this game or, more likely, spanish people can speak English.
So my point is, why wouldn\'t some Spanish speak Spanish (even if they could speak english) ? you know, just for roleplay (ok ok, I\'m advertising for my post lol). I think it could either :
1- Totally ruin the game, with communities of gamers playing only with each other because they speak the same language, and ignoring the others.
2- A world war, each country creating it\'s own guild, and different countries fighting each other through guild wars.
3- Add something really fun and interesting to the game, with different communities working together, using interpreters, and progressively learning each other\'s language while having fun.
1 would be a total failure, and 2 would be fun for a time, but it would eventually become boring, and internet is not supposed to divide countries. But I\'d like to believe that if we have good proportions of people from each country, with a few pple who speak 2 or more languages, and of course a vast majority of english speaking players, and if everyone is smart enough, and capable of a little roleplay, it\'s possible for all these communities to co-exist.
a french guild in the game, so that french users would be able to talk and play with other french players, and get help from the ones who also speak English who would act as interpreters.
That was definitely a bad idea, since it would encourage my scenari No 1 and No 2. I had a look at the BISM website last night, and I think we need something like that : an association of non-english players who would help each other, while encouraging everyone to join a guild, integrate to the community, and maybe even learn english.
As I said on the other language thread, I don\'t really WANT everyone to speak their own language. and I\'m not the one who started this. But you have to admit that people do want to speak their language. on this thread for french, and that one (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=3801&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=ff0308bd9ea36a6a1b11d04cca1fc7b5) for german (btw, it\'s true they should stick to english in the forums... oopps, my sig :-)). Besides, most of them don\'t read the forum, they just download the game, connect, and whine because they don\'t understand what everyone is saying.
Now that we know that we do have some guys who will play using their language, we have 2 solutions I can think of :
-we forbid that, shout \"English please\" when we hear french or german, and wait for them to get tired of it and find a french/german only game.
-We accept that and try to make it part of the roleplay.
Of course, this would only be a temporary solution, and a test. After all, both the game and the community is in pre-alpha testing, so if we want to try these kind of things, we should do it now, not when the game will be finished.
And if it doesn\'t work, non-english players will eventually stop playing, play in english, or try to make their own servers.
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Well, I think this language stuff is absolutely not required NOW. I am Hungarian, and I don\'t cry for Hungarian translation - now you probably think \"You can say that, because Hungary is a small little (don\'t even know where it is) country - who the hell would care about it.\"
I think Gronomist is right. This language stuff is not needed NOW. Maybe a few years later, when other things will be ready, but NOT NOW!
If the game is english-only, then the players will be forced to learn english - just as I, or any other PlaneShifter today. I have also found a lost french player - I couldn\'t help him. :(
They should really learn english some day.
Again, I agree with the translations - but not now. Later.
Be happy, the game is free. It is typical. When something is free, IT IS NEVER ENOUGH. People want EVERYTHING to be in the game. The word FREE is never enough... Be patient.
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Greetings,
E.
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This is just one of these typical things that \"all\" french people say - Well, it\'s not un-common. \"All french people\" allways say they are smart. Sure sure, I know a few french people who are smart, but please - If these french people are smart, how come they didn\'t ask themself the question \"If I download this game, will I even be able to understand and play it?\" .. I don\'t get it. I mean, how can these french/spanish/chinese/hungarian/whatever speaking people expect not to be lost when downloading an english game, and if they don\'t know a single word of english besides yes / no ??? Please! Answer that question! I _SO_ want to know that. It would be like walking into an american TV-shop, demanding them to speak japanese because you can\'t speak spanish with a bad finnish accent, since your mom was half hungarian and you never knew your dad who was 3/4th spanish with a mom from greenland or.... No wait... Just forget that :rolleyes:
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This is just one of these typical things that \"all\" french people say
what is \"this\" ?( (no sarcasm, I really don\'t understand). Anyway, ten minutes ago there was a guy on the server who connected and asked if there were french people immediatly (not even asking in english), so there definitely are some people downloading the game and connecting although they don\'t speak english...
Why ? I have absolutely no idea ! lol :p
It would be like walking into an american TV-shop, demanding them to speak japanese because you can\'t speak spanish with a bad finnish accent, since your mom was half hungarian and you never knew your dad who was 3/4th spanish with a mom from greenland
And you know what ? the NTSC TV wouldn\'t even work with his PAL VCR :D
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our guild Circle of Legends has a few only french speaking ppl.. Deedelito helps since they speak french we even have a french section on the forum
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Originally posted by Gronomist
I mean, how can these french/spanish/chinese/hungarian/whatever speaking people expect not to be lost when downloading an english game.
Well, that was a bit rude, Grono, no? What is your nationality?
BTW To my best knowledge - there are only TWO (2) Hungarian players in PlaneShift - one of them is ME. And we BOTH can speak english. Hungarians know exactly, that noboy understands us in the rest of Europe, so nearly all of us can speak at least English or German (mostly English). So we are an exception to that!!! (Yes, I know, I sound selfish and.... now, but hey, I NEVER said I cannot speak english).
Besides, I begin to see, that BlueScreenJunky is only trying to help OTHER french PlaneShifters. He is not doing this for himself... And other french people probably hope, that there is a guy like BlueScreenJunky in the game, who will help them, THAT\'S why probably even those french download the game, who cannot speak english well.
So, again Grono, there exist other nationalitys apart from that \"WHATEVER\"! What is your nationality?
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Greetings,
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EDIT: Grono, why don\'t you fill out your Profile info correctly? Are you afraid of something? Or someone?
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I am hoping to do some work on real-time chat translation before CB comes out. The goal here would not be to actually write a \"smart\" translator (computer scientists have wasted decades on that), but to write a \"stupid\" translator which would handle the most frequently used phrases and words--with the ONLY goal being to allow people who don\'t share a language to be able to be in a combat group together effectively.
If you think about it, the things people say when fighting in groups are very standard: Incoming, Heal me! Coming in from the left! I died fast that time! etc.
I believe by keeping the goals not too ambitious, we can make something which is better than nothing and not too much work to implement.
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Okay, so we might have some translation, wether it\'s an automatic translation or a roleplay one. Now about the Client, I don\'t have any compiler and I can\'t code, so I won\'t be the one translating it, but is it possible to connect to an official server with a modified client ?
The problem would be that it would allow you to cheat, but I think it\'s possible to allow only language files to be modified.
I also read on the news that new servers were ( already ? o_O ) planned, so we could have one multilingual server. But I think we\'ve got plenty of time before the first one is full.
PS : once again I know it is too soon to bother with those translations and multi server things, but eh, the game itself is not so exciting right now, so all we can do is talk about it...
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Grono, I think you missed a point on french ppl, there\'s a big problem with language, I can\'t really explain it, but I know that we\'re probably the BADEST english speaker in Europe :) It\'s an educational problem.
We tend to like a lot others ppl (see the french community) but not speaking foreign language really good.
I\'ve met some germans and even younger ppl who where speaking better english than us ;)
So, I agree, that it\'s useless to make country-server, but a translation of the game, I mean menus and interface could be an help, cause this game is OPEN.
You can ban someone from a game because he got bad behaviour but not because he can\'t understand any word .
Now, I really don\'t know if french ppl will be smart enough to not gather in small group who speak only french.
Vengeance: really cool idea.
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Venges, idea is very cool, and very doable in some ways. In other ways it will be hard as hell.
As for our first trials?it probably won?t work too well in many instances, and work well in others.
Overall it is not easy, but for some stuff, we probably would be able to have a client environment that would work in many languages and allowed some level of communication with all others.
I really can?t go into details cause this is Venges baby?but I think it will be cool and probably replicated all over once done making Venge (or at least his code) famous among weird pale gamer programmers.
Actually I am not sure it is totally an original concept?but it is a really cool idea.
But to play the game for a while I think English will help a lot.
Way far off?it might be truly multi lingual, in that as long as you have a client for your language it works for you?and people chatting in different RL languages can carry a conversation?but it would be copied immediately for all chat programs if that was the case.
But don?t think this is easy, in fact I think if venge can pull it off?it could qualify for a decent post doctoral thesis in any university as long as he documents it :-)
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Hi guys,
I\'m from Spain, and I\'d like to see the PS in Spanish some day...
I think than with a pack of sentences ready to use (a GREAT pack, of course ;)) is enough for enable the comunication between English-speakers and non-English-speakers.
But, what happens with the interface? And with the NPCs dialogs? Well, I don\'t tried the game yet but I think it has, doesn\'t it?
In other role-playing games (like BG series, PS Torment...) the dialogs and interface are all in one file. Also in Planeshift?
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Hmmm would it be possible then to rip Babelfish or something similar and use it for a translation engine? Installed together with the PS client it would probably do a reasonable job...
The only huge market that I think is the hardest to cater to would be the Koreans. They play Starcraft without a hint of English in their vocabulary and are the best in the world... Not to mention they have the highest penetration rates for online gaming.
Still, a simple translator as Venge suggested sounds great. In fact... you could have a menu-driven system like... Counterstrike where you can hotkey certain common requests if that were the case.
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I think Babel Fish wouldn\'t do the job well, because it was designed for real life translation, not Fantasy RPG...
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Originally posted by tasadar
No one likes a bragger. but who am i to say that? no one likes me :P
that dont seem like bragging to me....
btw i could translate english to 3 different languages:D
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those automatic translators, atleast for english->german, are only acceptable for short sentences with simple gramar. for more complex sentences they often cripple the content.
for those standard sentences you can make a window with a set of icons. you put translations of standard sentence parts behind each icon. the player chose his language at start. then ingame the player can click a message together and everyone sees the message in his language. (similar to Fantasy Star Online)