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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Catlemur on November 06, 2010, 12:47:41 pm
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I want to make some money without getting punished by using evil RP.Can someone help me with that? :devil:
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Be gray.
Find some good rp-ers, roleplay in a way that they can live with, (don't force anything on them) and make yourself interesting to play with.
With being gray I mean: don't be evil. You could easily play a character that's not set on destroying the world. Be someone that has a brilliant tongue, a politician, an entrepeneur, a juggler who tricks people into paying for his tricks. Be smart.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackAndGrayMorality?from=Main.BlackAndGreyMorality
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreyAndGrayMorality
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Playing a character under the intention of trying to have him/her be evil means that you are meta-gaming. Don't meta-game.
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I say give your character motivations then have them achieve those ambitions or whatever by any means necessary rather than being cliche and saying the character is evil.
And Jekkar's articles are nice but I think it is also help to post the ones about what to avoid:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChaoticStupid
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil
I would also suggest looking into this character--> Scorpius (http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Scorpius#Season_One)
It he is one of those kinds of characters. Highly motivated, no scruples or qualms if they get in the way, but not above giving the hero want he wants should it advance personal interests. Technically, he's not evil... he's severely driven. If you scroll up on that page and read his history it all makes sense though, it doesn't come out of a vacuum.
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Anyways, on the subject of wanting to make tria but not being punished by any "evil" characters or for playing "evil" characters, you should just forget that there is such a thing as a player. Of course, your character may worry about getting sucked into illegal business or activity, but it depends on what happens as you RP. If your character does not want to get dirty tria, or bloody tria, then he/she will look for alternatives to obtaining tria.
Have your character look for certain jobs, perhaps there are simple jobs posted on the bulletin board, or people who are looking for a table cleaner, or perhaps a server. You have to remember that there are only a certain number of things that are illegal, but any character in Yliakum can see something as "evil" since that is something personally interpreted. Do what your character would do, not what you as the player wants him/her to do. This could mean that if your character has a history of illegal activity he/she might sink back down into it, and if not, he/she will do work accepted by the majority of society.
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You won't be able to get rich from stealing, robbing or scheming. But it's still fun and able of being done. Obviously, you should have read the RP manual before speaking about RP, so I won't explain to you the basics, like some of these good fellows just did. Keep in mind as well how people usually engage in illegal activities: wearing disguises, doing it far from public places, etc.
If your character is a robber, try to jump the miners near the mines, people travelling the roads and the like. Don't expect it to be easy though, you can only talk the talk if you can walk the walk. Players shouldn't mind giving away tria, just as long as they get entertained for a good while.
If you're a trickster, be sure to have good tricks. If you do it well, not even the player will notice it.
If you're a thief... Well, you can't be a thief right now. Unless you come upon nice players who won't mind giving tria for 2 seconds of roleplayed action.
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Just don't rob any guildhouses, you'll get banned.
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Just don't rob any guildhouses, you'll get banned.
Ive only been on the game for a month and even i know you really gotta let it die. X-/
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Vakachehk were you around when the dark warmongers guildhouse was robbed?
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Leave Vakachehk alone. He's just being fun while giving great pointers, conquered by experience.
:D
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Just don't rob any guildhouses, you'll get banned.
Wouldn't see a reason for a ban if it was done in a fashion accepted by both parties and in an rp manner.
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I will try this http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34513.0
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I will try this http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=34513.0
It reminds me of a story of someone buying Brooklyn Bridge (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.runnerskitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/brooklyn-bridge.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.runnerskitchen.com/2010/06/brooklyn-bridge-to-brighton-beach/&h=525&w=700&sz=82&tbnid=h0WlnB7EHfYg6M:&tbnh=105&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrooklyn%2Bbridge&zoom=1&q=brooklyn+bridge&hl=en&usg=__LYvSoSXovFQ8XXc2kZ178iJO0Z4=&sa=X&ei=8yDYTPTgHoOKlwel64iDCQ&ved=0CCYQ9QEwAA).
Good scam! ;D
- Nova
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It's a poor scam, since the players were fooled and not the characters. The reason why people fell for it was because they thought Xiosia would be a GM's character. So, the players were fooled for their greed, and not the characters. No one in character would believe Xiosia to want a mass suicide.
There are better ways of fooling people. Asking for money to invest on a supposedly great business, faking to be hard pressed to pay a loan, etc. This way you fool the character instead of taking advantage of the player's greed towards GM rewards.
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Wouldn't see a reason for a ban if it was done in a fashion accepted by both parties and in an rp manner.
Yep, Vaka simply abused a mechanical flaw, his so called RP was never accepted by the other party, hence, no acceptable play, thats not RP but meta-gaming.
If you want to play a baddie, do it well, play well and thoughtfully, fair and benevolent. If people see you are playing that way, having put some good thought into your plot not the last to entertain others, they will want to play with you. They will be less suspicious about you only trying to make money in a cheap, poor and OOCish way. Its that easy, entertain people and they will reward you.
As for that Xiosia "hoax", who is whining? If your char believes he wants to sacrifice everything he has, he has to do that (and go through DR which however seems to have become a joke - Settings anyone?), even if it would be your char to whine at last. But if you as a player has to complain in the end, then heck, you didnt get the idea of roleplaying.
Playing a character under the intention of trying to have him/her be evil means that you are meta-gaming. Don't meta-game.
Uhum. Taking you by your word, if I wanted to create and play an evil char, thats meta-gaming? I had rebellous chars, goodwilled chars, naive chars or also insane chars, all of them from scratch intented to be like that furtheron. I never mixed knowledge of one to the other, and each of them I gave my best to keep them consistent - now you say thats meta-gaming? Dont you think your quote is pretty much BS? Or do you think a player is only legitimately allowed to play a char right according the player's personality is?
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Uhum. Taking you by your word, if I wanted to create and play an evil char, thats meta-gaming? I had rebellous chars, goodwilled chars, naive chars or also insane chars, all of them from scratch intented to be like that furtheron. I never mixed knowledge of one to the other, and each of them I gave my best to keep them consistent - now you say thats meta-gaming? Dont you think your quote is pretty much BS? Or do you think a player is only legitimately allowed to play a char right according the player's personality is?
:oops:
I misused the term meta-game, thought it meant something else at that time, and as you can see I didn't recheck what it was, and I was certain about what I was saying.
Here...
Playing a character under the intention of trying to have him/her be evil means that you are setting your character up for the severe potential of becoming the "big baddie" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad) or "the greatest damn villain in town" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilIsCool) . Don't set up a character under the straightforward intention of being just plain "evil".
Sound better? If it doesn't, then I don't give a rat's ass, because what I've fixed my quote to is what was plaguing PS when I quit, and turning every roleplay into the bloodbath we've all seen before. It's the reason I was very pushy about the subject. Original quote is BS, I agree. I said something without thinking about it, which happens to me a lot. Though this newly reformed quote above, it isn't BS. It is a fact that what is "evil" is open to interpretation based on our own moral values, and if somebody labels a character as "he's just plain evil" then many of us wouldn't know what he/she was talking about. Everybody has their own thought on what is evil. Even though it is wildly different, the above is what I meant to say when I was talking about meta-gaming, which means I really had the definition of meta-gaming twisted when I said that. But you're welcome to stay pissy about it.
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I am certainly fine with you having taken out "meta-gaming" in this context, but I am still somewhat confused about whats wrong with an intention to create a character as a pure evil one. What about Duraza or Xeonart? Both were certainly evil and created as such, and the respective (reputable) player was a companionable fellow. However, this player was up to make his chars vulnerable in specific aspects (and gave clues OOCly), but these chars remained evil, be it the greater goal or if it was merely an apparently kind means to that same evil goal. I mean, I would consider a char still that evil (or even the more) if he would, say, temporarily act lawfully good, knowingly and intentionally of course, only in order to, for instance, charm or fool people to at last follow him (or to make use of them for) to his greater evil goal.
Wouldnt it be invalid as well, according to your words, to create a good character, one that fundamentally and consequently aims at helping people or serving gods, like a monk? To say there is only black and white and nothing in between might be stupid, but is it any better to say there is only gray, but none of the extremes?
Perhaps, however, it is merely about different definitions we have. But certainly I neither give anything on that rat's ass nor do I feel pissy. I am simply baffled having read your posts.
PS: Meta-gaming I think is to attribute things to your char actually gathered behind the curtain (=meta), hence, not really having anything to do with this topic.
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Perhaps, however, it is merely about different definitions we have.
This.
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Or do you think a player is only legitimately allowed to play a char right according the player's personality is?
My experience, from GMing rpg table play, is that some players just can't help it. I would rather they play an alter ego consistently than play a real role badly for the group's sake. There are players that come to mind that have played the Paladin Knight through decades. They play for a slightly different reason or style; yet it need not interfere with others' RP. Just have to keep a heavy hand, on them, when it comes to OOC.
- Nova.
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Wouldn't see a reason for a ban if it was done in a fashion accepted by both parties and in an rp manner.
Yep, Vaka simply abused a mechanical flaw, his so called RP was never accepted by the other party, hence, no acceptable play, thats not RP but meta-gaming.
If you want to play a baddie, do it well, play well and thoughtfully, fair and benevolent. If people see you are playing that way, having put some good thought into your plot not the last to entertain others, they will want to play with you. They will be less suspicious about you only trying to make money in a cheap, poor and OOCish way. Its that easy, entertain people and they will reward you.
As for that Xiosia "hoax", who is whining? If your char believes he wants to sacrifice everything he has, he has to do that (and go through DR which however seems to have become a joke - Settings anyone?), even if it would be your char to whine at last. But if you as a player has to complain in the end, then heck, you didnt get the idea of roleplaying.
Sorry to bring this topic back to life
/me sighs :sweatdrop:
From my belief of Roleplaying is much different to many others, everyone has their opinions. I find that if you have a game and mechanics that you may use them for Roleplaying, roleplaying isn't just using your commumications box too much, it's using things to make the game more realistc. So I thought about it and thought what about robbing guild houses as an RP, I thought I'd be careful about it, sneaky to make it more real, not sell anything unless the RP continues and I think I am ready to start some black trading (which never happened), I came up with a decent background for it, I even asked a developer (at the time) if the punishment would be done ICly the reply was yes, I asked my brother Xoel/Akaiddo/Chucki and I asked it in real life conversation so no logs for proof, I had a fairly good plan set out and most people will know of it, mostly about Enkidukai's wanting more people in Ojaveda so they hired a robber to rob houses in other cities to make people worry and spend their time and trias in Ojaveda.
In my opinion I can't see the difference between robbing a Guild House that has been accidentally left unlocked using a fully done robber played character than a warrior who accidently kills someone in a PvP area or because their victim forgot to turn open duel mode off.
But as Sangwa has said I'm learning from my own mistakes and experience, which is probably the best thing. ;)
From this situation I have learnt many things:
- To not listen to my brother, he has gotten me into a lot of trouble, and it is time for me to try and stitch things up, get back in game, and fix friendships with other people of the community that I may of offended, through my mistakes.
- I have understood that respecting GMs and their decisions on matters even if the fault was hardly mine or if I have different points of view to their rules, and views of Roleplay they are the masters of the game and have been accepted to be, although I still believe that I have all right to disagree and state my opinion, I just wasn't happy at the time that they acted like snobs and felt like they fully facepalmed my opinions.
- I have learnt that no matter what, everyone has their different side to roleplaying, it's a massive debate, everyone has different opinions of it, and I'm just going to have to respect that and to try keep with what PlaneShift's community and what they want to see in people's RP. Not be selfish and do what I please, because that's what I think.
A good community of players would understand this and move on, forgive my mistakes and start fresh. :)
@Potare no I didn't rob Dark Warmongers guild house nor do I remember it ever getting robbed or think I was around. I've been playing for 2 years this February.
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Hehe, seems like it's apology month.
I'm sure most people have understood your point of view already. Not all games are like PlaneShift where every action requires the acceptance of all players involved, so some of us get confused. Seems you're not confused any more. Good to hear.
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Hehe, seems like it's apology month.
I'm sure most people have understood your point of view already. Not all games are like PlaneShift where every action requires the acceptance of all players involved, so some of us get confused. Seems you're not confused any more. Good to hear.
Well I thought it would of been best to address it all, some people I still don't think understand my point of view. But thanks Sangwa!