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Gameplay => In-Game Roleplay Events => Topic started by: Catlemur on May 16, 2011, 06:05:55 pm
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It will be held at :
25 of May, 14:00:00 UTC
It will include a show/challenge featuring people climbing on various buildings to compete and entertain the public.
Everyone owning a rivnak or a drifter can compete except of GMs because they can teleport.
Location:Outside Harnquist.
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What are the conditions and fees (if any) for entering?
Rules?
Will there be any prices?
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Not a good timing for different TZs imo. I'd suggest doing it on Sunday or something.
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Ah using mounts to climb on things like buildings, or the statue in the plaza is considered OOC and the GMs tell people we see doing such things that it is OOC and thus to knock it off.
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I admit I use my mount extensively to replicate the climbing a klyros could do with wings. (Im really quite good at it at this point)
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Ah using mounts to climb on things like buildings, or the statue in the plaza is considered OOC and the GMs tell people we see doing such things that it is OOC and thus to knock it off.
I won't call it very OOC, since there are no normal means to climb to wall watch towers for example, while really there should be a way (or guards are expected to fly there?). Or you can say it's simply RPing a climbing skill which isn't implemented yet at all.
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Νο fees,no other rulles just that the spectators decide who they like best.
@Sarva Why all the Explorers are not banned then they do it all the time.Well if you restore /climb everyone will stop it.
http://s1085.photobucket.com/albums/j436/Catlemur/?action=view¤t=48d36abc.jpg One of my achievements.
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Well if you restore /climb everyone will stop it.
Catlemur, the devs disabled that. I'm pretty sure it was because people were getting into what's called the Nexus causing some form of issue.
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Catiemur when a GM sees someone using their mount to do OOC things, like climbing buildings, then we tell them to stop it. if the person stops then there is no more issues. If the person doesn't stop or we catch then doing it again then we start the process of giving a warning, then a kick and then a ban. So far we haven't had to go past the warning stage with anyone but there is one player who we have almost kicked for repeatedly climbing the statue in the plaza.
I'm just letting people know what to expect if a GM is on and sees this event in progress, people are going to be told to stop being OOC. If they stop then it goes no farther than that. If you want to be OOC then take it to the EZ server but of course not many people have mounts over there.
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I didn't see a reply about the reasoning. Climbing is not OOC, and the fact that it's not implemented in regular fashion doesn't make it OOC. However if the player intends to mean that the rivnak does the climbing - that might be OOC. Anyhow, I don't consider this an issue. And if GMs/devs really see a problem with it - at least find a way to provide some ropes and ladders as an IG non OOC options! That's one of the fun parts of the game, and forbidding it without a real valid reason is not good.
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Sounds like a lot of fun, to me! And what a good RP happening....
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Couldn't the GMs allow an event .... ? 8)
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Can you at least allow us to do the event if we RP it?Nearly noone including myself has a mount on EZ.
P.S. The event is moved to 25 of May same hours.
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Climbing use to be implemented but it was turned off. As LigH pointed out there were issues because of some of the places people were climbing to. IC reasons for not allowing people to use their mounts to climb up on to various places would be people would not let a bunch of strangers climb around on their houses in Hydlaa. Remember all the buildings are owned by people, either NPCs or other people. I know for sure in RL I'm not about to let a bunch of strangers climb around on my house without running them off myself or calling the cops. I don't know of any place that let's people climb around on the city statues and I don't think the Hydlaa vigesimi wants peopel climbing around on the statue in the plaza. Likewise buildings like the Laanx temple. Not sure Sharven and the worshipers of Laanx want people then don't know climbing around on the outside of their temple.
I'd say if you want to go out into the wilds then climb around to your hearts content, but in the city you shouldn't expect to be able to climb around on other people's property. And I'm not sure the Octarchy wants regular citizens running around up on the city walls. The walls are part of the defense of the city, a place for guards not really a place for the common citizen.
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I guess it is cancelled then.
My last try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Robert
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An interesting discussion I observed with amusement...
I cannot resist anymore to make an almost serious comment.
Technically, the climbing (or let's call it happy hopping :D ) is quite interesting on the bamboo like trees in Ojaveda. It takes a bit of human skill to reach the tree tops in a short time.
To keep the nonsense factor a bit lower, you could restrict your event to drifters and RP that the contest is not about riding, but dressage ... without the weight of a rider, a drifter looks well capable to make some impressive leaps. Okay, that would be a contradiction to the models shown, and some people dislike when RP differs from what the engine shows us. I don't know how restrictive the policies are, but if you make a very kind request, some GM might consider to morph the contestants characters into groffles. At least, that would look excellent to RP familiar dressage, wouldn't it?
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I think climbing on walls is a good exercise, and if guards might consider it forbidden, let guards walk on walls and warn those who attempt to climb there :) And that's an IC thing completely (climbing as well as guards reaction on it), not a warning of GM about OOC conduct. I.e. if GMs want to RP guards or upset house residents, they should RP it properly then (screaming something like: "Hey you, get off my roof now!", or "Alarm! Intruders on the wall!" etc.), instead of giving OOC warnings. I'm still not convinced at all about OOC nature of such things. This might be not a regular or even not an expected thing in the city, but it doesn't make it OOC. As Catlemur's wiki link demonstrates ;D
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Yes, I notice Gms and players alike seem to mix up OOC with against the rules, using it as a general blanket term. OOC would be something your character would not or could not do. Can you climb a wall? Technically aside from Kran, most could. Would they be allowed? Thats a different question, but it doesnt make it any less impossible.
A criminal or spy damn sure wont let the hanging threat of guards keep him off a vantage point.
If something is against the rules however, it isnt OUT OF CHARACTER, its just against the game's rules.
GM's should not punish people for climbing some buildings. If a climber is any good at it, most people won't even know they've been there. Its not like you're wearing heavy metal boots and jumping up and down, or screaming at the top of your lungs. If you're mostly standing still, you're golden. (however it pisses me off each time I see someone in HA on a roof.)
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If something is against the rules however, it isnt OUT OF CHARACTER, its just against the game's rules.
I'd also distinguish between game rules, and IG rules (you can call them OOC rules, and IC rules for clarity). For example game rules forbid cheating (using some technical means let's say), while IG rules (laws etc.) forbid for example going down into the burial well. Those are two different categories. If for first GMs can react in OOC manner, for second their reaction should be IC (imho).
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If you can climb some place, without the use of a mount, then you are free to do that. Of course a resident or a guard may take exception to you climbing on someone's house since that is the behavior along the lines of a thief.
In the case of using mounts to climb someplace that is OOC. Drifters are like hover craft, if they get to high off the ground they lose lift and in reality they would not have the ability to jump as high as the drifters do. Same thing with a rivnak. They would not have the ability to jump straight up as high as they do. So using a mount to climb really is OOC since it is an exploit of something the models can do that the "real" creatures would not have the ability to do. when it comes to OOC things, like using a mount to climb or casting magic from the Arena walls we tell players to stop OOc via tells. If someone is running around on buildings that they don't own, and they didn't use a mount to get there or aren't running around on a mount, then we would deal with the situation in an IC manner.
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I sometimes find the rules about what is and is not permissable oddly arbitrary.. what i'm thinking of is fictional probability.. In a world where magic is possible , allowing the transmutation of energy at will to allow perpetual motion (the recovery spell), where creatures can be summoned from the netherworld, and have solidity, surely in such a world anything is possible? I once asked for a special area to be created, a small one, where the power of the crystal allowed everyone's stats to be maxed for a short time every month, say, so that all could fight on an equal basis, and was told that this couldn't be justified ic. Surely, in a world where WEAPONS have magical powers, we have magical powers, the crystal has magical powers, animals can be summoned at will, then the land in some places, at certain times could have magical powers, and some animals , able to be summoned at the will of their owners, could also climb at their owners will?
Or maybe the laws of gravity dont apply in the netherworld, but do apply in the dome.. unless they are drifters, when they only partially apply.
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I sometimes find the rules about what is and is not permissable oddly arbitrary.. what i'm thinking of is fictional probability.. In a world where magic is possible , allowing the transmutation of energy at will to allow perpetual motion (the recovery spell), where creatures can be summoned from the netherworld, and have solidity, surely in such a world anything is possible? I once asked for a special area to be created, a small one, where the power of the crystal allowed everyone's stats to be maxed for a short time every month, say, so that all could fight on an equal basis, and was told that this couldn't be justified ic. Surely, in a world where WEAPONS have magical powers, we have magical powers, the crystal has magical powers, animals can be summoned at will, then the land in some places, at certain times could have magical powers, and some animals , able to be summoned at the will of their owners, could also climb at their owners will?
Or maybe the laws of gravity dont apply in the netherworld, but do apply in the dome.. unless they are drifters, when they only partially apply.
Sorry hardly read this, there's no glyph or magical power (announced by the devs) to make your mount OOCly jump up on roofs and walls at their owners will. Just so you know it's the magical powers of the Ring of Familiar to summon your mount at your will, the ring does nothing else (ICly) than summon, dismiss, follow and stay (I think that's all).
Guys you don't run settings, so if the Devs say a mount wont do it or be able to do it, then just don't do it. Get over it. If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.
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There is a Fly glyph somewhere btw.
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If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.
I don't see any benefit to PS in screwing what works, instead of implementing what doesn't, or fixing what's broken. Let devs work on improving the PS, not ruining it.
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Do not forget today on 14:00:00 UTC outside Harnquist.
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you can count on the GMs being there. ;D
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If you carry on like this the devs will just make Rivnak's not jump at all.
I don't see any benefit to PS in screwing what works, instead of implementing what doesn't, or fixing what's broken. Let devs work on improving the PS, not ruining it.
They aren't screwing what works. They're taking something that works however is getting abused. Like mining platinum, it was getting abused OOCly and it needed to end. Warrior characters mining platinum doesn't mix ICly. However, They probably wont take out mounts jumping, they'd probably just make them jump forwards instead of upwards.
Also the Devs never said a Rivnak could be spelled by the fly glyph, therefore it's OOC. That's like saying "Oh there's a weapon glyph that means my mount can attack you".
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Sarva you misunderstand me, I've no illusions as to a Rivnak/drifter's straight jumping ability, I'm saying people use it as a SUBSTITUTE for what their character could do IC'ly, but the mechanics are not implemented into the game.
So if someone really did think they could get a horse on top of a building, for gods sakes smack them down off of it, they dont need to fall on their heads more. But if they're using an OOC means to do something that SHOULD be possible IC'ly (via the climbing skill) you should not punish them. (unless they're wearing HA. Or are a kran, because a giant rock is not going to have the ability to scale buildings)
In a nutshell, if the person is RP'ing being on the roof from their own two feet, you should allow it (send the guards or have an angry citizen shout at them or something if they're making a scene) But if they really think they are on that roof on top of a mount, don't. That's distinguishing between OOC and IC.
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So you're saying that because your char has a rivnak you're allowed to RP climbing around while my char that doesn't have one isn't? That's unfair. I say we all wait for the climb skill together and listen to the man.
I can understand 1 person climbing around rooftops from time to time. A contest of it? Meh, I'd shoot arrows on anyone who tried to mess the outpost's rooftop.