PlaneShift

Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Darkanan on May 29, 2003, 05:38:44 pm

Title: Pay per play
Post by: Darkanan on May 29, 2003, 05:38:44 pm
I think it would be helpful to the makers of the game although its just an Idea so don\'t bite my ass on this one. Just throwing it out for you Devs so that you could make a little money because we all know how expensive it is to make this game. However, if you had an income then you could rightly so have more servers and more people working on the game. Tibia did this. They allow it to be free to play. However you can have a premium Account which only costs like 50 bucks for a year which is nothing compared to other games. With a premium account you have access to two special Islands which only premiums can go to. You also can get some special spells as well as the ability to become a master which allows you to gain HP and MP faster. Just throwing that one out to you guys. The beneifits aren\'t so much that Premiums have a way unfair advantage over the normal gamers. You can shoot it down if you want...
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Post by: acraig on May 29, 2003, 05:47:46 pm
Well, financials are always are and always will be a concern but I think that part of our mandate is to have the game totally free.   Now this does not discount other avenues of gaining funds such as promotional stuff, donations, etc.  Maybe we could even come up with some sort of hosting deals with Groups like Fragnetics where we can take a small percentage if people signup for webspace for Planeshift.  

The trouble is that when money is involved things become \'complicated\'.

I think our main goal is to be totally Free to Play with no advantages.  It is a lofty goal but I am confident that we can achieve it.   Time will tell...
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Post by: paxx on May 29, 2003, 07:20:38 pm
Not to make a short story long, but if we did get paid, who should get paid and when, for what????

And a billion other issues, so it would be really hard to be able to say yes from this point on X gets paid when there are people who came and went that have done more for the game.

So think about those issues and you will realize why money would make it an issue.
Title: as far as money is concerned
Post by: Nadius on May 29, 2003, 09:42:25 pm
if i where you guys i would keep it free but i would have corprate sponsores i.e red hat, mandrake etc. i bet thed love to get some sort of promotional thing in this... you know get linux alittle more well known just an idea
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Post by: !Aqua on May 29, 2003, 09:43:44 pm
NNOOO!  KEEP IT FREE KEEP IT FREE!  

i just started a new game and they started to charge a fee.  now youre telling them to charge a fee here too!  ooo no!!!
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Post by: Nadius on May 29, 2003, 10:56:03 pm
LOL@aqua read a littlle if the devs say there whole point is to keep it free it will be free
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Post by: Fanomatic2000 on May 29, 2003, 11:44:35 pm
Well, both Tibia and Runescape used that system. Result, they didn\'t give a damn about the \"non-profit\" players so if you didn\'t pay, it became more like a demo-version. They simply quit developing the \"non-pay\" part, and that\'s one of the reasons I hate them both.
A lot of people like myself wants a game where the developers care about more than money.
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Post by: sashok on May 29, 2003, 11:59:24 pm
I\'m thinking that they already decided that it would be free.  But if they decide otherwise a lot of people will hate them for it.  Plus like paxx said, too many people work on this project, so who will get paid?
Keep it free, and it will be the only GOOD free mmorpg.
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Post by: Clayton on May 30, 2003, 12:51:17 am
I would go with the idea of Donating  :)  if you donate so much say you give the player some gold or crystals or maybe a special item?

I would donate every so often myself  :)  But thats because I am a nice guy love to help  :)  I am actually gonna apply to be a background writer  :)
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Post by: paxx on May 30, 2003, 01:33:39 am
There are many concepts to allow for payment of different sorts all on voluntary basis. I am sure we won?t mind is a linux distro or other picks up the game and makes it part of their package?but it will be their issue not ours. In all ways this game will be free to use, with all possibilities. Do not get confused.

THIS GAME WILL BE FREE TO PLAY. But we may need support of some type at some time, but that will take a while.
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Post by: Fiztkarloff on May 30, 2003, 02:27:46 am
Have you considered the \"in game sponsoring\"?
It has made marvels with games such as The Sims Online, where players actually interact with elements from certain companies. The best prices for sponsoring can be achieved by this kind.

I know that it would be hard to have real life sponsors in a game such as Planeshift.
But what if you add static sponsor messages during the loading of the game, or small scrolling bars with sponsor messages, a la CNN newsline, in the bottom of the screen, or in any other area that they don\'t bother.

The Exit Game menu could have messages from a sponsor, as well as many other areas that do not directly affect the game.

The idea would be to keep them as far as possible from the enviroment of the game, to keep it as it should be: Medieval Fantasy.
But there are several areas that do not affect the enviroment, and could turn into something quite profitable if you think of it.

It would follow the example of several newspapers. In many countries, these free newspapers are given in the streets, free of costs. But still they make huge amounts of money. And teh why is very simple. They have sponsors and advertising in some areas. And, since the newspaper is free, the sponsors are asured that someone will read their advertisings.
The same principle can be aplyied here.
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Post by: audioaxes on May 30, 2003, 04:05:12 am
i dont mind paying for the game on a one time basis
 

but im no big fan of monthly charges


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i suggest taking a look at Ragnarok Online and inspect how they come along as something to consider in future decisions: they commanded a LARGE user base in their beta period and just announced a $12/month fee....
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Post by: AendarCallenlasse on May 30, 2003, 04:38:37 am
In my opinion in game advertising would only ruin the game.  Looking at banners and such on the site I wouldn\'t mind.  And if I ever get around to getting a job I would definently donate money to PS.  Besides a free MMORPG that looks as good as PS does is going to get a lot of attention.  Players and even companies will be willing to fork over some money.
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Post by: Solaire on May 30, 2003, 09:39:24 am
I think it\'s very honerable that the devs want to keep this free. They put all their time in this, and now a lot of people are almost begging to give them money, and they still say there are better ways to support them. Now that\'s what I call nice.
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Post by: Morgenes on May 30, 2003, 09:57:40 am
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I would go with the idea of Donating  if you donate so much say you give the player some gold or crystals or maybe a special item?  


i think this is very stupid.
If you donate, it\'s for nothing in return, it\'s because you like the game and want to help, not to have a better item or so ...
i hate those who think like that sorry X(
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Post by: BlueScreenJunky on May 30, 2003, 11:33:24 am
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I would go with the idea of Donating  if you donate so much say you give the player some gold or crystals or maybe a special item?  


i think this is very stupid.
If you donate, it\'s for nothing in return, it\'s because you like the game and want to help, not to have a better item or so ...
i hate those who think like that sorry X(


Maybe donators could get a special item or something, which would not change anything for gameplay, but would show that they donated. I think this would encourage others to donate.
Anyway, I don\'t like donations, because I live in Europe and I don\'t have any credit card, so even if I\'d gladly give 10 bucks for prgrams I like, I always give up because it\'s too much trouble :-(

But I do think it would be a good idea for you to make some money, either by donations or sponsors (or both)

[QUOITE]it would be really hard to be able to say yes from this point on X gets paid when there are people who came and went that have done more for the game.[/QUOTE]

You don\'t have to keep it, just use it to improve the game : Buy some new servers, or some add space on the web to advertise for the game and bring more players, or just buy some new developement tools.
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Post by: hook on May 30, 2003, 02:35:04 pm
i\'ll make it REALLY short:



- game: free
- playing it: free
- get paypal (it\'s a donations system)
- if you meet a PS dev IRL buy him/her a beer or something similar



p.s. that\'s how most bigger open-source projects work
Title: Donating and title
Post by: DizzleCorinthos on May 30, 2003, 08:30:34 pm
How about for someone who donates, they get a title for one of their characters or out-of-game profile that says \"Contributor\".  Rank them by stars for how much they have donated.  That way it doesnt affect the game directly, but people are recognized for contributing.

My two cents...
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Post by: Darkanan on May 30, 2003, 08:32:46 pm
HAHA I like that one hook. Rounds on me Devs.
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Post by: hook on May 31, 2003, 12:37:16 pm
ok i\'ve (finally) read the whole topic

a) no advertisments ...they\'d ruin the game (imagine having an IRL beverage or company add in the middle of the World)

b) special treatment for paying players? ...nope ...i don\'t want to get any special treatment if i donate anything, and i don\'t know why in a free (GPL\'d open-sourced community-based) project there should be any difference between \"paying\" and \"non-paying\" members

conclusion: ...i\'m still for the same idea i already posted
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Post by: Kura on July 07, 2005, 07:25:48 pm
ok let me just say i quit the last free mmo with a monthly fee to have access to member quests/items/weapons. it totally ruined the game for me because i could run into a PK area and get slaughtered by weapons i wouldnt be able to get because im a cheapskate ( $5 fee a month lol ).  gopd thing i just read the other posts and its still going to be free woohoo! :D
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Post by: Einhander on July 07, 2005, 09:11:40 pm
Your idea sounds like Runescape, trhe ones who plays get the good stuff, while those who are free just all the bad stuff
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Post by: rosmerelmer on July 08, 2005, 11:05:21 am
yep ******** sucks because of that, and the graphics of course :P
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Post by: Moogie on July 08, 2005, 06:14:09 pm
Old topic, and not really one that needed to be revived. :)


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