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Support => Forum and Website Discussions => Topic started by: Talad on September 01, 2011, 02:45:32 am
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Hi, we added the Karma function to the forums, please answer the poll. No guarantee that we set it as the result will say! :)
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Total karma can be simply calculated from adding the positive and negative numbers. I voted for the two number system.
I think the karma system might be better if it were applied to specific posts instead of the user but that isn't how the forum software works so what you gonna do. It would also be nice to know which posts generated the karma adjustment but that also is not how it is.
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Better to keep just the positive karma, IMHO. For this forum, at any rate.
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Sorry to be dim, but please say what the karma voting is when polling on it. I figured it out myself from poking around, but it's better to explain for the very few people who might not know. I voted for both positive and negative karma, I like the idea.
EDIT: Anyway I tried to take the poll, it's not working for me (chrome on osx snow leopard), not sure if it is the new forum layout or user error.
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No Karma at all, please. It only provokes grief and jeaslousy.
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Please take the function completly off...
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No Karma at all, please. It only provokes grief and jeaslousy.
The same reasoning is valid for displaying the number of posts.
In my experience, Karma is an attempt to measure the quality of contributions in forums, and frankly negative karma is frightening.
So If you think there's still something good and useful hiding deeply in this patchwork of nonsense, and you trust members, I suggest to enable only positive karma.
On the other hand, if you think that we are doomed and this is only the beginning of the end, enable also negative karma.
Plus, forum filters I used until now don't work with this version... :innocent: I changed my mind, no Karma is better.
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Karma will become a tool for trolls to give bad reputation to normal people and believe me the place is swarming with those beasts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBH97ma9YiI&ob=av2e
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I Say keep the karma. but no bad karma, we all tend to be too negative and do not nead an easy outlet to be a jerk. ;)
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Come on, don't take things too serious.
No Karma at all, please. It only provokes grief and jeaslousy.
I might agree with you if this were a forum about serious topics. But no...people here are discussing about imaginary adventures they had with their imaginary pixel avatars. They are discussing why it should to be allowed to virtually stab someone in the back inside a vertex town with a AI-guard right around the next corner or how they think casting a magic spell should look like and what laws of physic it should break. And now you really want to tell me it causes grief and jealousy if someone doesn't agree with your own vision of fantasy? I maybe would tend to agree with you in case this were a serious forum with opinions about RL topics...but as it is only a forum for spending spare time and having some fun discussing fantasies I really can't.
Every person here is just around for fun...that is true for players and devs. The majority of players doesn't use the forums anyway and those who do share virtual experiences and ideas about a pixel world. You really think with such topics a down-vote of karma hurts someone more than a bashing reply? Wouldn't it be already a gain if someone restrains from bashing another one because he can just [smite] him/her? And really, why take this karma system that serious at all. If you look at it a high karma only means a boring person who never had any controversial ideas. Start taking the system more in the spirit of a game (after all I still think that is what this forum originally was about). [Smite] the hell out of posters that make hilariously cute anime images from your char, [Applaud] well thought out efforts of others to make fun of you...whatever. [Smite] and [Applaude] in the end mean the same...the poster got attention. Also devs are only here for fun (and the majority of them doesn't read the forums either...what brings up the question of importance of these at all). Nobody is forced to contribute to this project...but it's fun to do so. If you really care more about what others think about yourself than the fun the coding/modeling/writing gives you it's maybe time to think about changing to a serious project that really matters. If you contribute for acknowledgment work on projects that give people something of real value like tor. And if you get discouraged by some [smite]s of users get a thicker skin.
So in the end I really can't agree with the karma system making these forums even worse then they are already. If you look at the system from the serious point of view the negative karma might even help to prevent some otherwise much more negative bashing posts. And if you allow yourself to get only slightly less serious this system even offers some nice possibilities for fun...and identifying interesting people by their high amount of [applaud]s and [smite]s.
Karma will become a tool for trolls to give bad reputation to normal people and believe me the place is swarming with those beasts.
As the meaning of "troll" was perverted in these forums to apply to anyone not agreeing with your or the PS team's opinion that's indeed always a chance...But in case we take the original meaning of the term it might be sufficient to only disallow you from using the karma system (So, was that better than a simple [smite] for the post?).
tl;dr: Don't care...nothing important. You need to be able to read anyway to have noticed the karma system in the first place.
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I'd like to be able to negative vote the retarded posts. You can keep your positive karma.
Talad posts.
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most of the users on this forum are too overly sensitive to appreciate the karma feature. it's only going to cause unrest. you know nobody is going to use it maturely. at least 60% of its uses will be for pinning a bad reputation on others to denote them as trolls. less than half of that percentage will be applauds and smites by cliques. then there's 20% for applauding neko until he achieves nirvana. and the remaining 20% (for people who don't play around with it) will drop due to loss of interest.
that's how it always is on forums like these. i can't be the only forum veteran who knows this. X-/
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@Aiwendil You do not deserve a proper reply.
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her/his/its post was much more informative than yours. if you can't be serious, this isn't the thread for you. this are serious thread.
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I definitely think karma should be disabled. It'd be abused anyway, and our community has well over enough things to create stupid drama over as it is.
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most of the users on this forum are too overly sensitive to appreciate the karma feature. it's only going to cause unrest...
I definitely think karma should be disabled. It'd be abused anyway, and our community has well over enough things to create stupid drama over as it is.
Spoilsports (though true of course)
her/his/its post was...
Whatever you want. "His" is probably what I would use for myself in a forum...but this is the genderless internet. ;)
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No karma please! Rating, ranking and overall judging people is ugly T.T
Trolls are ugly too...
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her/his/its post was much more informative than yours. if you can't be serious, this isn't the thread for you. this are serious thread.
I am ready to have a debate on the current topic via PMs if you have the guts for it.
Positives only are easily exploitable too.E.g. Thumb up addicts on youtube.Applaud if you think enkis are cute,applaud me it is my birthsday!,applaud me for lulz.
I would also like to add that reputation levels and post counts do not matter too.There are many people with low post counts and 0 reputation who have offered the community much more than me.
On the other side there are people who have 3 times more posts than me,with high reputation who only rant and annoy.
@Soloyos here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXRX47L_3yE
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her/his/its post was much more informative than yours. if you can't be serious, this isn't the thread for you. this are serious thread.
I am ready to have a debate on the current topic via PMs if you have the guts for it.
Positives only are easily exploitable too.E.g. Thumb up addicts on youtube.Applaud if you think enkis are cute,applaud me it is my birthsday!,applaud me for lulz.
I applauded you, ye need to make me laugh now ;D [ This was to prove a point that Catlemur was making ]
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It's generally better to error on the side of being positive, so I agree with the majority of the comments -- we should only be able to give positive Karma. I remember when we had a Karma system before. The mods quickly got rid of it because people were worried it was being misused. The old discussion thread probably still exists if someone has the time to dig it up.
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As far as I am concerned having only positive mods is ineffective because some people (like me) are kind of random in how they post and often deserve to be modded down from time to time. I'd say the showing both +- is better than just a total but turning it off completely is better than only allowing positives.
As it stands now it is mostly going unused anyway.
Still there are always people who will abuse it. Best might be some pie in the sky system with meta moderation and people who applaud and smote were recorded as to the prevalence of their judgments.
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please remove the font sizing in your post so the text can be read without increasing font size
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please remove the font sizing in your post so the text can be read without increasing font size
Venorel tries to applaud
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Well I just read this whole entire thread, and still haven't figured out what Karma is.
So expand on what Karma is exactly and then I'll vote :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
but in terms of forum use, it is a way for members to judge the value of other members by either awarding or taking away points.
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If it doesn't give any forum benefits, I say take it away.
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but in terms of forum use, it is a way for members to judge the value of other members by either awarding or taking away points.
Thanks for that!!
Well then, I absolutely do not want this in the forums, it's already been stated in this thread as to why so I'm not going to waste your time.
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One thing we need if it stays is a top karma list and possibly a bottom list too if negative karma is possible. You can't keep up with the Joneses if you can't see where they are. It would be quite amusing if one person topped both lists.
This forum definitely needs more pointless stats to look at, how else are we to tell ourselves we are winning?
Personally I would suggest it is more of a way to indicate the relative merit of various posts although it isn't really set up that way. Because it is called karma it should not be perceived as a pure popularity vote, the name implies you get what you deserve. Applaud good ideas and smite trolls. Unfortunately trolls will applaud trollish behaviour but as the Buddhists say "all life is suffering."
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One thing we need if it stays is a top karma list and possibly a bottom list too if negative karma is possible. You can't keep up with the Joneses if you can't see where they are. It would be quite amusing if one person topped both lists.
This forum definitely needs more pointless stats to look at, how else are we to tell ourselves we are winning?
Personally I would suggest it is more of a way to indicate the relative merit of various posts although it isn't really set up that way. Because it is called karma it should not be perceived as a pure popularity vote, the name implies you get what you deserve. Applaud good ideas and smite trolls. Unfortunately trolls will applaud trollish behaviour but as the Buddhists say "all life is suffering."
I am afraid that karma will bring discrimination and racism though.It will be the first step to +10 applauds or over only forum categories.Trolls are keen on creating clone accaunts so it won't be a fair fight.I knew a nut who created a forum with 10 clone accounts on it only to insult a group of people who hated him.
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trolls aren't the problem. you're labelling immature, emotional people with lack of control as trolls. that's just the opposite of what a troll is. this is a troll. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
catlemur, how will this bring about racism? and your nutty friend is not a troll (even if he claims to be one). he just needs to get a life.
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Lol, I'm sorry Catlemur, but I see no way this could bring about racism, and it would only bring about discrimination if there were enough people without consciouses. Anyways, my view is that we were fine as a community without Karma, and from what I see, the possibility for failure is low with this Karma system.
Personally I don't really care though either way.
Some (more sensitive) people may care though, so if it is possible, you could give people the choice of showing Karma or not. If you are unable to give people this choice, then I'd say to turn it off. I'd prefer people not being 'hurt' by a dumb little number.
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In this other forum, karma was some sort of 'forum level'. The higher your karma is, the more access you gain in the forums.... IE - if you have 10 + karma, a secret new 'category' will pop up. This category wouldn't be super important, I believe all the important ones should be seen by everybody. But it would be a sort of category for those who have pitched in good ideas.
If you gain karma by pitching good ideas, then I think more people would start posting cool new ideas to get to this new category.
It doesn't necessarily have to be a category either, you can also do others like IE - be 'invisible' (no one can see you are on-line), See those who are invisible, see everyone who has been on-line today. Etc etc...
I think the last level should be VIP where you gain access to a lot of hidden stuff in the forum.
If the karma doesn't do anything, I don't see what the point of it being here is.
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Because people are starting to point out potential problems, instead of pointing to current problems, my suspicion is that things will be better since there's only positive Karma. If people start getting rewards for Karma, things might get more complex.
When we tried it before and things went bad, it was because negative points were activated. A number of nice people ended up getting really bad scores, so it was decided that the system was being misused. Maybe things will be different since people can only be nice to each other?
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It is a good thing you can't applaud yourself. Then again I do have three other accounts if only I could remember them.
I would like to thank whoever keeps modding me up, and I hope it isn't just because I am so devilishly handsome ;)
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you mean diabolically handsome.
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Maybe things will be different since people can only be nice to each other?
Since occasionally this is not a forum but a Dlayo pit, maybe you're right.
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Another good reason for negative karma is to punish people suspected of having their karma excessively inflated -- Soloyos...
Then again, people might just really like his pictogram puzzles.
I wonder what Lambchop's (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=26870) password was, again; I'm sure I could remember Prolix's (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=31076) if I really wanted to.
Hey I have an idea. If someone starts up a sock puppet account on the forums to make outrageous posts they should be banned. Oh ... Wait ... :@#\ ... That's what I am.
Fudge.
heh, classic first post if I do say so myself!
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There was karma in 2006?
http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=25845.30
It also shows negative karma on more than 1 person.
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Wow. It was that long ago? And negative karma is visible?
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The Karma counter seems to te overall karma then even though we can only add + to people.
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Seeing as negative karma was only available for about a day or two, I'm guessing they decided not to erase everyone's karma points when they made the switch. I mean, how much negative karma could one receive in two days? ;)
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(36476 total members * 2)-2=72950, theoretically. Of course that is if there were no new accounts and every other account smote you. I'd say at least a good 30k of those accounts are lost -- probably more too -- but with a good auto-bot creating accounts who knows how many smites one person could generate. As far as I can see each account can only modify another's karma once per twenty four hour period.
Don't you just hate people who answer rhetorical questions and wish you could smite them? :devil:
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Oh, not at all, Bilbous. :D I find your sense of humor oddly endearing, actually.
I'll PM you later about our plot to create the army of auto-bots, and karma-smite anyone who crosses us so low, they'll be in imaginary numbers.
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And Karma has vanished... Ended on 17 I think last time I looked :P
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It was being ignored by most and gamed by others. You are a fine contributer but you are not twice as good as anyone actually associated with the team.
I have nothing against anyone here personally, this should not be considered a personal slight against you, Soloyos. The karma system on Slashdot (http://slashdot.org) is a better way to go. Karma is applied to specific posts and then tallied to the poster. People with bad karma are unable to vote. Last I looked that software was open source too, but the book I had about it -- quite old now -- made it seem kind of complicated. I has grown more complicated now, a few years later.
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No karma?OH YEAH!