PlaneShift
Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Illysia on November 04, 2011, 07:02:32 pm
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Hello everybody, a few days ago I was reading through my old logs and I was overcome with complete nostalgia for RPing. It is easily one of the more fun things I've done in games and in my personal opinion, the most fun you can have in an MMO. So, after getting over my hesitation of dealing with PS again, I logged back in to see if in fact things had improved and to maybe get some RPing in for old times sake.
Since this thread is not in the complaint department, I'll spare much of the details and griping, but I will say that the first two attempts to play were really sad. Most people, in what is supposed to be a role playing game, seemed busy to even RP and acknowledge my character. Even a simple hello would do. Thank goodness I wasn't actually a new character in need to help. However, I will give the current community this, the level of RP does seem to have improved. The problem now seems to be that, for whatever reason, RPing has become even more clique-ish than it has been in the past. The Community seems less like a community and more like a collection of clubs that you probably won't get into. Oh well. Thanks to some players that still seem to be able to branch out of their normal RPing circle like Zalya, Elady, Geceni, Esorono, Baruden, Heolion, Laspeyresia, and a few others. It's nice to know that at least some players are still trying.
However, trying to RP in PS in general has not been anything I can even remotely call fun, so I'd like to make a special request for former players that still miss RP, and that still lurk around ;) , to make a special cameo appearance, even if only for a little while. And please give folks a heads up that you are hanging around so that you stand a better chance of running into someone that will RP with you. And I'd also like to ask the RPers that are still playing and that can tolerate RPing outside of their usual RP group to keep an eye out for any unfamilar players that seem to already know how to RP, chances are, that's someone making a cameo appearance and it would be nice if it actually felt welcoming in game for them.
I personally will be playing Zandral as I can find the time to actually be in game. I can't say how often I'll be on or how long I'll be around though. I suppose it depends on how easily I can find RP that is more than either vague pleasantries or kill/being killed. However, it would be nice to see some familiar faces and maybe even get a chance to RP with them once again. If you feel so moved, feel free to let people know you'll pop in game in this thread or just leave a shoutout if you wish.
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I suggest you to propose a specific RP event to be placed in the calendar to GMs. Events are the best way to get people to RP.
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It's a thought, but that is a bit harder to pull off since a reunion RP would be a bit odd and out of place since some characters never left ICly, some players may just use new characters, and coordinating people's character quirks and whatnot to give most people a reasonable excuse to turn up is hard. I figure it's probably a good idea to let everybody adjust if we get people back in and then you can do an event if we have enough people to actually merit one. For anyone with ideas though, feel free to drop ideas here.
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However, it would be nice to see some familiar faces and maybe even get a chance to RP with them once again.
Some are still around. Welcome back, Illysia.
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Yeah...good timing. Exactly when you know that I can't talk myself out with "I don't have a working client" ;).
/me sighs
Offer stands...poke me if you want.
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/me steals haraun!
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/me searches the ignore button for weltall in the forum ... no better intentions than to annoy people.
I told you, Illysia, PlaneShift is addictive beyond a certain level of experience.
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Oh... so that was you XD
Sorry for vanishing in the middle of the RP. Had a disconnect and some problems to get the internet to work again afterwards. When I relogged, you weren't on anymore.
The biggest problem I have is to get people to stop long enough so I can actually write something...
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The biggest problem I have is to get people to stop long enough so I can actually write something...
Oh, yeah...I know that type of people. That are the Ligh "Greet-Ninjas". Running towards you, hitting a "/emote greet" shortcut and are gone again while you are still at "/me smi". ;)
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Oh, no, my characters rarely run past so fast. Especially not when they meet good old friends.
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I told you, Illysia, PlaneShift is addictive beyond a certain level of experience.
I never denied it, but I got fed up with the issues in and out of the game. To be honest, if I hadn't run into Zalya this last time, I would have been too fed up again with the fact that people now are being allowed to be outright RP snobs when me and others got the label just for complaining when people were doing disruptive RPish things.
Sorry for vanishing in the middle of the RP. Had a disconnect and some problems to get the internet to work again afterwards. When I relogged, you weren't on anymore.
The biggest problem I have is to get people to stop long enough so I can actually write something...
No worries, I figured as much. At least it wasn't the whole server going down. Laanx used to wait until I was in the middle of a good RP then crash for hours on end.
The biggest problem I have is to get people to stop long enough so I can actually write something...
Oh, yeah...I know that type of people. That are the Ligh "Greet-Ninjas". Running towards you, hitting a "/emote greet" shortcut and are gone again while you are still at "/me smi". ;)
Please, people just run past you, they don't greet. Heck they don't greet even if they stop to look at you. :P However, I have some ideas Aiwe. I'll be poking you soon. We'll see what we can do about this event deal. I'm thinking divide and conquer, so everyone keep an eye out since I will probably need others to step up and help with organization and implementation.
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To be honest, if I hadn't run into Zalya this last time, I would have been too fed up again with the fact that people now are being allowed to be outright RP snobs when me and others got the label just for complaining when people were doing disruptive RPish things.
Aww thanks Illy :) There are still roleplayers out there, and sure they have started to fade a bit, but the only way to fix it is to simply roleplay! The newer players who just run by you a lot of the time just don't have any role models yet. I'm so happy to see you dropping in more. A few more good Roleplays and suddenly everyone wants to join in!
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I can live with the new players. It's the ones that will RP right next to you and completely ignore you, especially if you heaven forbid make a minor interruption, that get under my skin. There are people I know can RP just fine but if you engage them they more or less stop RPing... >.>
However, for the kind of event I was thinking of doing, it'll have to be put off till later as I don't have enough time to work on it and implement it quickly. I have finals to deal with if nothing else. And, I don't want to just to a plain meet and greet as you should be able to do that at any point on your own anyway. So we'll see. For now, I'll stick with asking people to drop in and be a good role model like Zalya suggests and in the near future I might be able to turn out something more interactive.
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If you want responded to conversation, find Travosh! I'm sure as an enki you'll get the royal word treatment. ;D
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I would have been in at once, but unfortunately Illysia didnt explicitly name me on her list - obviously she entirely dislikes me, as shocked as I am, I dont like her neither, in revenge! Mind you, Illysia is mean, be warned!=o
Hence, I will crawl back into my cave mourning and crying in grief and despair.
Sounds intruiging, but my current lifestyle and duties wont allow reliable, persistent and continuous presence - that much explanation unasked!=P
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hehe. You aren't off the hook that fast buddy. ;) One I don't need reliable and consistant... I need bodies. Two I'm planning something and it also won't require constantly being around. But you should check in before you crawl back in your cave. I've already roped Aiwe into listening to me so you are obligated to do so as well. He can cry on your shoulder when I tell him no. ;D
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Hey, for starters, you dont know my actually extremely comfy cave here!
Then again.. having tied Aiw, huh, now thats one word!=P
I would be willed to support and do as... *grumbles* wished. But more like, well.. perhaps you could.. hm, give me a second..
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Ok, second up! ;)
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FFS, you had been faster in the past! I am bewildered!Oo
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I was actually RPing in game so... :P
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Huh, already replied?!
Shame on me to ever underestimate you!=P
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Yes, shame on you... complete shame. ;)
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That requires learning new settings... I gave up on that somewhere around the irradiation of gnomeran... or whatever it is called. :p
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Umm... The roleplay servers in WoW are just normal servers with a different name :sweatdrop:
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the problem is not the server... but the bound volumes they call lore... It's waaaayyy more time to learn that than I care to spend.
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Sounds to me like: Roleplayers leave PS due to a lack of good RP and therefore leave PS remaining with even less good RP.
That was one reason why I couldn't leave yet. Even though I may not be an elitairy great roleplayer, eventually I want to support RP in PS at least by participating.
Therefore it is good to see Illysia and her alts returning. And the RHoP needs her, certainly, for its ... "renovation".
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Miomai hangs her head in shame at ignoring Zandral in the tavern. In her defence, she was in the middle of a ritualistic murder of a new inductee into her just formed Dakkruist sect. She didn't want to leave right away, but you know, duty calls.
She'll keep a nose out for you.
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Oddly enough I had a bit of RP the other day talking about the mine embargo with a smith (I OOCly knew was a major proponent) I happened to be chatting with. You can always use information posted on the forums about ongoing roleplay as rumors you have heard in the game in order to join in without having to make the current participants have to bring you up to speed from scratch. I always assume that the NPC's know of notable events and pass along scuttlebutt beyond their programming. If you are appropriately vague about details it saves everyone time.
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@LigH: Well... techincally, I'm not making plans for any long term playing. I just came back for one last hurrah out of nostalgia. However, providing I don't get shut down prematurely, I at least plan on holding a nice big event before I go. I'll need a lot of players participating though, all plot and no RPers or helpers makes for a very sad event.
@Miomo: And don't worry about not RPing with me Miomai, I more or less got the impression of some such thing. I was actually not paying close attention to the client at that time, I was working on materials for my event. The only reason I did the emote was so that you two wouldn't end up saying more out loud than you would want another character to overhear. I know how it is to get used to RPing everything out loud simply because there is rarely anyone around to overhear it.
@Bilbous: You can definitely talk about current events from stuff posted in common places, the problem was getting people to talk to you. I've logged in a few times since I left and most of those times I just left, after hours of idling, because I got tired of trying to drag RP out of people... I mean really, one time I was standing in a group of people crafting and RPing at the smithy... I know that if they saw each others comments, they could see mine. I got almost completely ignored when I asked for help ICly. That's the kind of stuff that will make people stop struggling with the matter. Someone already new to RP would find that too much to try to overcome, it's already hard to start RPing, and someone already used to it has little reason to pull teeth with a character they don't know...
That being said, things do seem to be slowly improving. I think people are making an extra effort to RP and to spread out. I'm seeing RP happening in more places more often now. even the player count seems to be rising a tiny bit. I saw over 40 players on line during the time when it was normally only 30 something players... Given some extra pushes, I imagine a small recovery of the RP scene might be possible.
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Ah, well. I haven't been around for all that long and so don't really have much to compare "current" RP to with "older(?)" RP, but I can say it's possible to find. There are certain people that always try to be inclusive rather than exclusive with their RP *cough* Miomo *cough* so even though I realize it sometimes seems like it's extremely difficult to find, it is still definately possible. Also, I think it will pick up more once the whole "school" thing isn't a factor (I certainly know I haven't been on as often for that reason in itself.) Darn school, getting in the way of gaming. What was I saying...?
Ah, well. I guess that's about it. I will say 'twas fun RPing with you the other night Illysia, as Rhianon, and I hope to see you on now and again. \\o//
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Here's my tips for finding people who will RP with you (even if its just smalltalk. but smalltalk is where it starts. That and murder.)
A description: While not necessarily the most important bit, someone who wrote any description at all obviously cared enough about their character to describe them.
Not at a furnace: They get called furnaceshifters for a reason. I know some do leave from time to time, but a whole lot don't.
Inside the taverns: Self Explanatory.
Noobs who obviously aren't questing: While not always the most experienced, I find a lot of them will make the effort if you approach them first. But if they're on a quest, generally they'll be rushing around trying to finish it since all the quests are annoying courier B.S
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[GM] Events are the best way to get people to RP.
I disagree. GM events are the best way to get peoples' hopes up that there will be rare and fancy loot to be had. RPing is the best way to get people to RP. If you can't find an RPer, join a guild or, if you're really desperate, ask in Gossip if anyone is up for some.
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@Mariana: In the past you could just walk through the city and pass several RPs. You could go to the tavern and find several groups laughing, RPing, playing games and it was far easier to join the RP of the groups in the tavern. I think part of the problem is that now people have learned to make due with less and don't demand better like we used to... The community used to have the numbers and experience to self regulate RP levels, but right now it needs help. However, I'm glad you had fun. :D While I'm around however, I will do what I can to keep RP going around me. Hopefully other former players will trickle back, even for a little while, and also help restore those old checks and balances that kept a certain amount of RP always going... *wink wink nudge nudge*
@Phantomboy86: Small talk is a start but all to often it dead-ends to pretty superficial, empty and repetitive RP. Even with starting with small talk RP, there needs to be a certain push towards developing more than small talk, even during the course of the small talk RP. I think that another part of the difference between the RP I was used to and what I am seeing now is that the focus is mostly on telling the story of your own character as opposed to using your character to help tell the story of Yliakum. I think the biggest help for people looking to get into RP is to not give up and to move outside of your comfort zone in terms of how you look for RP. I had to do the unthinkable and ask for RP in gossip, I remember complaining bitterly in the past about the foolishness that used to be present in the channel; however, it did help and now it is much easier to find people to RP with me.
@Candy: Yeah, events aren't the best way but they do help. I think the best thing to do is take time in developing your character, even if you don't do it at the beginning. Then, make sure to not just interact when RPing, but express your character so that there is a reason to talk about more than just the weather or whatever. Zan being a cranky fenki in the past gave people something to complain about even when she wasn't around.
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@Phantomboy86: Small talk is a start but all to often it dead-ends to pretty superficial, empty and repetitive RP. Even with starting with small talk RP, there needs to be a certain push towards developing more than small talk, even during the course of the small talk RP. I think that another part of the difference between the RP I was used to and what I am seeing now is that the focus is mostly on telling the story of your own character as opposed to using your character to help tell the story of Yliakum. I think the biggest help for people looking to get into RP is to not give up and to move outside of your comfort zone in terms of how you look for RP. I had to do the unthinkable and ask for RP in gossip, I remember complaining bitterly in the past about the foolishness that used to be present in the channel; however, it did help and now it is much easier to find people to RP with me.
Thats what I meant, small talk as a means of introduction. You can't expect someone to suddenly let you in on all their deepest secrets and inner workings of whatever they may be a part of just because you said hi. They're probably going to want to know you =P
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We'll you'd be surprised about the deepest darkest secrets thing, but you can do a whole lot more than hello even with a character you have just met. ;) You can express a lot about your character in the first few minutes of RP, but all too often there are just cookie cutter "hi. how's your mother" conversations
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We'll you'd be surprised about the deepest darkest secrets thing, but you can do a whole lot more than hello even with a character you have just met. ;) You can express a lot about your character in the first few minutes of RP, but all too often there are just cookie cutter "hi. how's your mother" conversations
Zalya just found out a few things about her mother... That kind of conversation might end interestingly :P
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@Suno:
<Suno> It's AiwendilH!
<AiwendilH> yes...scary..isn't it ;)
<Suno> Very :P Come back. We need you.
<Suno> Do RP-like stuff!
Okay...Illysia used her puppy eyes to get me to try now this one time....so get your ass in game to see it. ;)
@Haraun:
Some are still around.
And the help of -some- would be very appreciated. ;)
@Phantomboy86:
Yeah..without Travosh and Karzela I probably would have never logged in a second time at all.
@Phage
Then again.. having tied Aiw, huh, now thats one word!=P
I actually wanted to keep that for our second date...but Illysia is far too...enthusiastic...so how I should I resist her? ;)
Same as for Suno...get your lazy butt in game...even if only for a few days.
@Candy:
True..events are not the best way to support RP...but it's a start and easy to do. And my opinion about GM events is well known...no matter what good intentions the organizers might have..they are never a good place to look for any RP.
Furthermore...the same as for Phage and Suno ;).
@Zalya:
Oh..and thanks to you...even without seeing you in game yet you were the reason for the first real RP aside of casual talk I had in the last three days. \o/ (oh..and not saying the casual talks were bad at all...I had fun with those as well)
So for my opinion about the general state of RP in PS...mhhh...hope nobody will take this offensive. First off the game is dead empty...can't really say much about RP if there are almost no people around. Yes...I know I said it was already empty when I left a few years ago..but now every town is a ghost town most of the time. I was kind of surprised how bad it is. On the other hand there seem to be hotspots of RPs at times..and I can't agree with Illysia that it is hard to get involved somehow (And no, no way I will ever sink as low as asking in gossip for RP...this is just unthinkable). Big compliment to Karzela who endured me and my stupid chatting for hours the first day I logged in...and didn't even make an attempt to flee from me. The style of RP has changed a lot though...not sure if I can get used quickly to that. Not wanting to complain about it...it's just strange for me to see people RPing the end of Dakkru's curse, the use of magic all the time or not being very secretive about their undoings of in the past. In general I got the impression that "dark" magic, dark rituals and violent RPs are even more common than they used to be at the time I left...too bad :(. And to the strict "Game-mechanics dictates what should be RPed" style I probably will never get used to...but it's not a big problem for me and the kind of RPs I usually prefer. People who insist on following the game mechanics strictly can easily avoid me...and the other way around. Oh...and I know GMs put a lot of effort and good will in their events...but sorry, I really think those will never be a good place for me to be. (Though I'm thankfully to them for gathering a crowd and giving me the chance to read a lot descriptions in a short time ;))
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I actually wanted to keep that for our second date...but Illysia is far too...enthusiastic...so how I should I resist her? ;)
Same as for Suno...get your lazy butt in game...even if only for a few days.
I can't agree with Illysia that it is hard to get involved somehow (And no, no way I will ever sink as low as asking in gossip for RP...this is just unthinkable).
*Smacks Aiwe for the first comment* :P
And that's just cause I softened things up for you. ;) I guess they got tired of me begging in gossip and started RPing with other people more.
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Maybe :P
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/me squints at Suno_Regin. "I know you. Git yer butt back in the game, you have unfinished RP in thar!" :P
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@Zalya:
Oh..and thanks to you...even without seeing you in game yet you were the reason for the first real RP aside of casual talk I had in the last three days. \o/ (oh..and not saying the casual talks were bad at all...I had fun with those as well)
Yay I think! What did I do? O.o
In general I got the impression that "dark" magic, dark rituals and violent RPs are even more common than they used to be at the time I left...too bad :(. And to the strict "Game-mechanics dictates what should be RPed" style I probably will never get used to.
The thing is stories involving violence, dark magic or rituals, and strange experiments are easy to write and pump out. Its like the pop-fiction of RP :P . The smaller player base has made RP harder to find, so sending in a lot of quick violent RP's was a way to make up for the dropping base. But it seems to me that the lack of quality of RP caused the Player base to drop even more, meaning faster RP's needed to be made. Its what really started the downward spiral. But fortunately, it also works in reverse. If we can pull together more in depth roleplays, that are open to anyone on the server, be it a new player, or a really old player, then we can bring in more people, and make the towns not so empty.
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@Zalya: The question is, how to keep the newer players inside of the game. I see many newer players getting horribly confused when they first jump in, if we could help them to the best of our abilities, then we can slowly rack in more players, more roleplay, etc etc.
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@Zalya: The question is, how to keep the newer players inside of the game. I see many newer players getting horribly confused when they first jump in, if we could help them to the best of our abilities, then we can slowly rack in more players, more roleplay, etc etc.
I agree! In fact more of the experienced players should be advisers more often. Helping them with the mechanics as an adviser helps, and trying to explain to them IC, whats been going on in the world brings them deeper into the RP.
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Yay I think! What did I do? O.o
Oh...I asked if Caraick is still with you. The answer led to the urge of Aiwendil to talk to Caraick. ;)
The thing is stories involving violence, dark magic or rituals, and strange experiments are easy to write and pump out. Its like the pop-fiction of RP :P . The smaller player base has made RP harder to find, so sending in a lot of quick violent RP's was a way to make up for the dropping base. But it seems to me that the lack of quality of RP caused the Player base to drop even more, meaning faster RP's needed to be made. Its what really started the downward spiral. But fortunately, it also works in reverse. If we can pull together more in depth roleplays, that are open to anyone on the server, be it a new player, or a really old player, then we can bring in more people, and make the towns not so empty.
Be careful what you say...you start to sound like I did. ;) While I agree with this I'm afraid that reversing this trend is not as easy. But maybe that's just my bad experiences from failing at trying this with the Den in the past.
I agree! In fact more of the experienced players should be advisers more often. Helping them with the mechanics as an adviser helps, and trying to explain to them IC, whats been going on in the world brings them deeper into the RP.
Advisors are overrated...it's just using the same "shortcuts" always again. ;) Nah, seriously, I agree but don't feel very guilty of neglecting the help channel.
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I think part of what could help is making more of an effort to be visible in Hydlaa. I think all races spawn there now which means that is where the highest concentration of new players will be. If that city looks empty, the game will look empty and newer players will start to be discouraged from putting more effort into getting into PS. Remember, MMOs are no longer novel, they are common as dirt. Most people now have some sort of expectations from MMOs and being left mostly on your own with few players around is not among them.
I think a lot of little things might help like:
- Vary where you RP (I used to be guilty of almost always being in a tavern/bar when RPing... oh wait!! :o )
- Take time to acknowledge people in emotes even if you don't directly RP with them. (don't underestimate how much good "/me look around and spots Player X in the corner before going back to talking to Player Y" can do. At least the other person knows that you have noticed them and aren't completely ignoring them.)
- Stop to talk with players you pass, stop when you see another player stop. (in case they were stopping to type something and talk to you ;) ), walking to where you need to go instead of running all the time.)
- Write a description of your character, write one that contains at least one interesting feature. (helps to provide a talking point. If you are wearing a bright fushia scarf, someone may initiate RP by asking you why you are wearing a bright fushia scarf. However, you don't want to overdo it or your details will get lost in a sea of competing points of interest.)
- Develop a cute/funny quirky RP that your character can quickly do. (I doubt anyone but Aiwe was around long enough to know of Illy's giant bag o' stuff. But, in a pinch, I could have Illy go looking for something in her sack and by the end of it practically have her swimming around in her sack chasing after goodness knows what. It was good for a chuckle if nothing else)
- Use emotes to let people know that you aren't idling if they have just arrive in the area. (you may have been sitting around waiting for someone to RP with to pass and then you've kinda gotten used to sitting quiet and your character doesn't have much to say. Well you can use an emote to describe what your character has been doing without having to make your character jump the new arrival. One of the great things about RP is the use of subtlety.)
Someone might also want to take time to comb the forums for good RPing guides, condense/paraphrase them, and post them for refreshers. It's easy for stuff to get lost to the sands of time so it's probably a good idea for someone to do a RP guide thread. There are also other places to look like old PS guilds and organizations and also no PS related sites.
The Stonehead forum had some pretty good ones here (http://stoneheadps.freeforums.org/roleplay-promotion-f16.html).
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a bright fushia scarf
However, yellow capes are completely off limits.
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Be careful what you say...you start to sound like I did. ;) While I agree with this I'm afraid that reversing this trend is not as easy. But maybe that's just my bad experiences from failing at trying this with the Den in the past.
Never once did I say it was going to be easy. :) But its possible. I'm happy to have some of the older players around to help out \\o//
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I think my biggest problem is that there was simply nothing to do. By that I mean, the type of character I like to play can only be defined by a god, and every other character thereafter. If I have a plan of action, I have to always be Black Flame... if I wanna be good, I'm probably gonna talk about Talad-salad all day. I dunno, it just seemed like too big a part of the settings, and I've heard multiple times how the intention of the game's story was for us to simply be the observers as events unfold... none of us being that big a part. I am really happy to see Talad (big talad, not god talad) offering to add player events as part of the game's history, so maybe that might reel me back in. But for now I'll wait out and be that anonymous forum guy watching and waiting for his time to strike. :P
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The RP clique's, not that I'm a part of them nor completely for them, seem to be what keeps RP alive... Many times I had a few month long breaks, I saw the same people RPing with a similar crowd to last time... I think this is good to be perfectly honest. With regards to an IC standpoint on these cliques, think about yourself making conversations with others IRL. I normally only talk with or interact with people that I either know as friends, or are at least friends of friends. Of course everyone should be open to RP with anyone... That point I am not arguing.
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However, yellow capes are completely off limits.
He doesn't have a copyright on that. Feel free to take the yellow cape too. ;)
I think my biggest problem is that there was simply nothing to do.
Sounds like Suno is in an RP rut. :P
@Mekora: I think you are right but the but the same thing preventing the crash is also preventing the growth. I can see RPing with the same group of people, that's how you get more in depth stories, but one also needs to be able to switch to RPing outside of that group as well. Otherwise, stagnation sets in and newer people have less reason to start as they usually don't have a group coming in with them. However, while I disagree a bit with your post, I agree with your sig. :woot: Mekora: Ye Olde Spice Guy? ;D
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Hehe, finally somebody understands my sig :)
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Someone might also want to take time to comb the forums for good RPing guides, condense/paraphrase them, and post them for refreshers.
Sangwa's Guide (http://trollkeep.com/PS/HOWTO.html)
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You howl around that there isn't much good RP around. The good ones in RP gave me ( as an RP-noob) on several occasions a very hard time to have a little fun with it. I tried RP once with Zandral. I never try it again. If i try to join some RP and the good RP'ers do there best to ignore me and give me the feeling that i should leave them alone , then i leave RP alone. I am here to learn but you, the good RP'er (and there are very good around) wont give me much fun with it (not all of you but many)
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Well .... if they try to ignore you and/or give you the feeling to leave them alone, I wouldn't say that they are good RP'ers. Granted there are times when a discussion is meant to be "private", but that is when they ask if they can help you .... then return to their conversation.
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@Sammyhundde: Well, I'm sorry if you felt that way but I don't intentionally lock people out. What happened? From the sound of it, you probably encountered Zan when she feeling moody and mistook it as me the player not wanting you around. If that is the case, the difference there is that a character's behavior is not the same as how the player feels. Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. Zandral hasn't ever been the nicest sweetest character, but I often will find ways to drag out RP even if the character wouldn't actually be very interactive at that point. However, I admit. Zandral is probably not the greatest character for a person completely new to RP to interact with. ;D I'd suggest finding a nice character to RP with rather than a moody one.
Well .... if they try to ignore you and/or give you the feeling to leave them alone, I wouldn't say that they are good RP'ers. Granted there are times when a discussion is meant to be "private", but that is when they ask if they can help you .... then return to their conversation.
Depends on the RP... if it's something they can't afford for another character to hear ICly, then chances are the character will try to brush off another, but you can use brackets. There have been times characters have bust in on mine when the door to a room in kada's was RPed as being closed and locked. Naturally my character is not going to be cheery to have someone bust in on her, especially with nearly dying that way before, but when the other player asked an OOC question about the rooms at kada's I answered that OOCly.
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From the sound of it, you probably encountered Zan when she feeling moody and mistook it as me the player not wanting you around.
When my character used to be centered in Oja, it took a while to realize that some enki were just shy and not ignoring me OOC.
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Woohoo! Making progress. Daily numbers (http://planeshift.zeroping.it/index.php?page=stats) are slowly creeping back up. Let's keep up the good work. Let's see if we can't get the peak back up to 100 players by the end of the year. \\o//
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If Aiwe, Illy and Sarva are in, then so am I.
So hey, my inbox is empty, if you roleplay or don't but are serious about learning, then gimmie a message - I wanna meet you.
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Welcome back.
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Awe, thanks...
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So so ... I was told I am already planned in. :P
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hehe... you've been drafted. ;) I'll be getting around to the rest of you as well.
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Welcome Rigwyn \o/
And will try to catch you in the evening LigH.
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...it's just strange for me to see people RPing the end of Dakkru's curse...
That was Miomai. And this comment does not help me become a better RPer. What is strange about it?
The thing is stories involving violence, dark magic or rituals, and strange experiments are easy to write and pump out. Its like the pop-fiction of RP :P .
So I gather that there aren't more Dakkruists because being one is considered shallow, uninspired, and cliché.
Violence? Dark magic? Rituals? Strange experiments? Miomai's got all four. Maybe getting lost in the Stone Labyrinths will be a more inspired RP. If not, at least you wont have to read her two-bit stories any longer.
I hate to make waves, but this thread has come across to me as "Hey all you older players, get back into the game so we can teach those noobs what REAL RP is like." And that is rather snobby.
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Who are you (Aiwendil, Illysia ,....) to judge about good or bad RP. What about voting about bad RP and bann such player. Or wear a singn on your head "Noobs dont molest me"
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That was Miomai. And this comment does not help me become a better RPer. What is strange about it?
Yes, I had Miomai in mind when typing this one point just usually don't like it very much to name people explicitly when it's not about them but in general. And the way you quote me makes it look a bit out of context (No blaming though...just thinking the whole context makes it more clear what I meant.):
The style of RP has changed a lot though...not sure if I can get used quickly to that. Not wanting to complain about it...it's just strange for me to see people RPing the end of Dakkru's curse, the use of magic all the time or not being very secretive about their undoings of in the past.
Maybe it's again the lack of my English skills, but with "strange" here I just meant I'm not used to it and have a bit of a problem figuring out how to deal with it in game. The examples I gave were not meant to say I think it is bad RP and even less to point at someone specific. They were just to illustrate what I think changed in the time I didn't play PlaneShift. But obviously I am completely unable to write any post that isn't immediately taken offensive by someone else...sorry for that.
Now as you mentioned it let me get a bit deeper in this example with playing the end of Dakkru's curse and why I struggle with finding a way to deal with it. Again, this is my problem, not the problem of the one playing this. Mainly this has to do with how I experienced Roleplaying in PS in the past. A long time ago there was no such thing as a curse when leaving the Death Realm. But the settings team never got tired to tell people that a trip to the DR should not be taken lightly. So the general consent was to RP the escape from the DR as pretty difficult...mostly by leaving your char in the DR for several days. Then the curse was introduced and RPers picked it up by adding a weakness/illness element to their RP for several days after leaving the RP that slowly got better over the time. But nowadays it appears the curse is taken "literally"...as in something that weakens your char for 30 minutes and then disappears with a poof. I have a little problem figuring out how to adjust to this. The game time..even RL time can't be transfered to RPs. Sometimes you hardly manage to order just a few drinks for your friends in 30 Minutes while at other times you move the whole way from the Eagle bronze doors to Ojaveda and back in this time. Also death never meant much mechanical wise in PS. So with people taking the curse as a 30 minute penalty for dying killing someone else in a RP means nothing. Killing only ever made sense to me if the victim stayed at least for some time in the DR and then RPed seriously disadvantages for several days afterwards. If death is taken as lightly in RPs as it is in the game mechanics there is no sense in even trying out some plot ideas. And the abrupt end of Dakkru's curse removes some pretty nice opportunities for RPs in my view...it can be so much fun to play a weak char for some days needing a lot of help from others just to get his daily routine worked out.
Okay, this all was about RP death of course. I don't have the slightest clue why you died at all and most likely it was just some monster who killed you while gathering PPs. What is the second part...I'm not used to RP death by monsters/game mechanics at all. The only kind of death that is important is the RP one. This is obviously a misconception a lot people can't get out of her head when talking about the so called RP-snobs. All people named like this here in the forums trained their chars as well..most having at least one or two very well trained chars. The difference is that in general the act of training was seen as completely OOC, mostly useless as it wasn't needed for RPs and was never RPed. For a lot of chars it's impossible to gain PPs ICly. I think there is no need to argue about a poet having at least some intelligence...but such a char can't train without going OOC. So if our poet died in the arena all people just ignored it as him being there was already OOC in the first place. Now there are of course also chars who can gather PPs ICly..like hunters. But even in most of these cases I have never seen them RPing death by monsters...or if they did they chose the RP way..meaning disappearing in the DR for some days and then no more training for several days as they could hardly walk after leaving the RP.
So, why does this give me so much trouble to adjust to it? Mhh, I was involved with a not very lawful guild for a long time. And a lot RPs there relied on death not being a easy as a 30 minutes curse. If you play a baddie you already have some serve disadvantages...like the possibility of loosing your char at every time once his undoings are uncovered..or in my case not only the char but also the Red Crystal Den. We needed the ability to threat people with death (though I think we tried to never do any needless killing..some people might still remember what it used to be to play with us) in order keep them quiet about our undoings. And I don't think such a threat is of any "value" if death means almost nothing. By the way also the reason why I mentioned "not being very secretive about their undoings of in the past". I'm used to RP all consequences of ones doings...and in most cases the uncovering of murdering someone should simply lead to perma-death of the own char.
So, do I think this is bad RP? No, I never said (or at least wanted to say) something like that. Does it feel "strange" for me to see it? Yes, of course. Will it have an effect an the amount of fun -I- can get out of PS? Mhh, maybe..have to see about this but there is a chance it reduces my fun.
So I gather that there aren't more Dakkruists because being one is considered shallow, uninspired, and cliché.
Violence? Dark magic? Rituals? Strange experiments? Miomai's got all four. Maybe getting lost in the Stone Labyrinths will be a more inspired RP. If not, at least you wont have to read her two-bit stories any longer.
Shallow? No way, sorry, but I think RPing something like this the right way (as in all participants having fun and wanting more of such stories) is one of the hardest paths you can choose. RPing a baddie takes far, far more skill than the usual goddie and for sure far better skills than my mediocre RP skills. I don't have the slightest clue about your skills so assuming now you posses the necessary skills to do this right end enjoyable for everyone taking part. But a lot people following such a path in RP don't have the skills and it leads only to other players getting annoyed, complaining in the forums and rejecting to take part in such plots in general. And you have to keep in mind you act a model for new players RPs...so even if you do it very well...no, in fact especially you do it very well there is a good chance of someone following your example and failing epically. So in general, yes such stories can be nice, I don't say they shouldn't be done, they should be kept to a minimum and not make up the major part of RP available in PS and only very few players are able to do them.
Uninspired and cliché? Mmh, sorry, but yes. Not necessarily of course but in most cases I have seen such plots they were just done for the fun in violence and fell quickly in the usual Good vs Bad cliché. Not wanting to say your plots were like this as I haven't seen them. I just have seen far too many "char is possessed"/"char is crazy"/"char follows some violent religion or cults" and "executes random acts of violence"/"performs violent rituals"/"is a mass murderer" to "gain world dominance"/"strike hear in the hearts of everyone"/"gain some dark uber-powers" plots to still see much creativity in them and get excited rather than annoyed about them.
I hate to make waves, but this thread has come across to me as "Hey all you older players, get back into the game so we can teach those noobs what REAL RP is like." And that is rather snobby.
One could also say it's rather conceited to take everything said as direct to oneself and reject help and advices from others. Of course I would never dare to say such a thing. ;)
Who are you (Aiwendil, Illysia ,....) to judge about good or bad RP. What about voting about bad RP and bann such player. Or wear a singn on your head "Noobs dont molest me"
Said that already yesterday to someone else but will repeat it now. Leave the sarcasm to me, I have years of experience developing it here in the forums and I am already the bad guy so not much harm done if some more people dislike me. ;)
But to be a bit more constructive: Who I am? I am nobody of any importance or someone who forces you to listen to him.
For the judging on RP of others. No, I don't judge on their RP, I judge on how much fun it is for me. And seriously, this is a game, Everybody is judging how much fun it is for them. From the post I assume you judged it won't be much fun to interact with me in game at all...what is fine and your right. All you do is basically saying I should keep my opinion for myself as it doesn't concur with your opinion. Ever though about not reading my posts if they annoy you that much?
After your first post I really thought that's a good example what shouldn't happen at all...but now I start to get the feeling the problem lies elsewhere.
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The thing is stories involving violence, dark magic or rituals, and strange experiments are easy to write and pump out. Its like the pop-fiction of RP :P .
So I gather that there aren't more Dakkruists because being one is considered shallow, uninspired, and cliché.
Violence? Dark magic? Rituals? Strange experiments? Miomai's got all four. Maybe getting lost in the Stone Labyrinths will be a more inspired RP. If not, at least you wont have to read her two-bit stories any longer.
I hate to make waves, but this thread has come across to me as "Hey all you older players, get back into the game so we can teach those noobs what REAL RP is like." And that is rather snobby.
Miomo, I have to say that your RP's have actually been done really well, and that I've had a lot of fun with them. The problem I have isn't with you or the RP, its been the fact that there have just been a lot of them. If well written and well preformed (like what I've seen from your plots) they can be really fun. But at the same time I would like to see a new twist to the story. Dark magic, and violence are all well and good, but the major failings tend to be in the main villein char. Now I can't say anything because I don't know where the plot is going, but those kinds of characters tend to be very 'I'm evil because I'm evil'. I would personally like to see villeins that are easy to sympathize with. Eather way your plots and stories are not in the least two bit. They are really well done. And you are not one of the really new players that I'm talking about. I don't mean any offense when I say these things :)
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Who are you (Aiwendil, Illysia ,....) to judge about good or bad RP. What about voting about bad RP and bann such player. Or wear a singn on your head "Noobs dont molest me"
Unfortunately for you, you caught me when my patience for arguing this issue in this forum has run out. Firstly, the apology I gave you when you first posted is as good as it gets. If an apology is not enough for you then too bad. I don't grovel at the feet of people who put their needlessly wounded egos in my thread and then expect me to constantly pat them on their head thereafter. I've done it for years here and I've learned that all it does is stress me out and encourage more people to do it.
Second, no one said anything like that. Neither of us have ban powers in games, and neither does anyone else you could be refering to. You are in no position to get offended because you have judged us... Try laying off the judging yourself next time you want to lecture someone about it. No one here answers to you and if you don't like this idea, then there is a whole forum to content yourself with. I won't tolerate any more unproductive trolling of my threads.
I hate to make waves, but this thread has come across to me as "Hey all you older players, get back into the game so we can teach those noobs what REAL RP is like." And that is rather snobby.
The title and the first post is the call is for current RPers as well. I specifically included current RPing players as well. The reason for calling the older players so much is because I certainly can't just send them a tell in game. I have to catch them here when they lurk. And whereas I'd normally get into the full dissertation here. I'm kinda tired because every time I try to do something beneficial for this community, there is someone going to tell me where I'm being a snob and I am truly tired of it.
If I was going to be a snob, I would not do anything for for this community... You don't expend effort that you don't have to expend on people you don't deal with. It takes a lot of effort to bother to try to motivate people, to try and get people to help out and even more to put together an event and I'm really starting to get a little tired of the disrespect of my efforts to help. If you really have a problem it, then fine. I'm tired of trying to convince people otherwise. Just ignore my threads for the rest of the year and then I will be out of everyone's hair. When player count is down to 20 online, remember that the snobs are people that try to build up the community and reinforce it.
I make great efforts to include people, and all to often, all I get back is "Why me? Why are you picking on me? But I didn't do anything. But my RP is great." So and and so forth and all I really hear is "I, me ,my," In my general experience, the first one to cry snob generally is suffering from conceit as Aiwendil mentioned. When they refer to picking on noobs, they are usually just hiding behind new players since all they really care about is that they feel personally attacked. I've already burnt myself out once on these forums going through this debate, i will not do so again. If there is RP you wish to participate in then do so, if you not then do not participate. It is that simple, but tossing around labels is no more holy if you say "snob" than if someone says "bad RPer." Its the exact same. Keep that in mind.
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lol, Illysia. u mad bro?
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But obviously I am completely unable to write any post that isn't immediately taken offensive by someone else...sorry for that.
I don't have the slightest clue why you died at all and most likely it was just some monster who killed you while gathering PPs.
As they say, the first step of the twelve-step program is recognizing the problem.
Of course I'll not help my case by saying I died during a Dakkruist ritual where a sister of the sect sliced Miomai's throat open as part of the ritual to attain the level of Shade. No, in fact this particular death was just a fall while escaping a dark rogue. I was attempting to obtain a dark circle ring for a quest during a particularly slow day, RP-wise.
I'm actually a bit saddened that we meet under these conditions. Many of the things you write I agree with. When my characters die, I keep them in the D.R. for a day usually. Why not longer? Simply because I never was told how long one should wander the Death Realm. Also, like you, if I die for non-RP reasons, I don't count that. So from that perspective I guess I shouldn't have made the comment about the lifting of Dakkru's Curse, but it was spur of the moment, as I am still growing my character as a devout Dakkruist. Finally, I also see most training as OOC. I find it repetitive and uninteresting. I do it mainly during lulls in the role play aspect of the game.
I am hearing many people singing the same refrain, "It's all been done before," and I know you all can't be Steven Page of Barenaked Ladies. In my one year of playing PlaneShift, I haven't seen the role plays you folks talk about, which is why I am doing them. I certainly don't want to rehash tired old plot lines.
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Why does it sadden you? Now we got our points cleared out as players in the forum...time to have our chars interact and play with each other in game.
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Keep up the good work people. It seems like people are making more of an effort to reach out and RP and also to RP in visible places. I was in Kada's today and there were so many people talking in there that I couldn't even OOCly follow all the conversations. It' was packed! :woot: So far, the player count has peaked at a little under 70 so there is progress. Keep on doing what you do! \\o// And get your friends in game too.
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Still improving! The numbers are still rising at a good rate, partly due to people starting to get more time off, and it's getting easier to find both people in Hydlaa and RPing going on. We're a far cry from the ghost town that I ran into when I first looked back in on PS. \\o//
It's once again possible to find a number of people in Kada's... RPing. :woot: And I've seen a big improvement in the openess of RPs one passes. It is much easier now to get into an RP you might stumble across.
In the grand tradition of our times, pics or it didn't happen. ;)
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