PlaneShift

Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Catlemur on May 30, 2012, 10:39:25 am

Title: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Catlemur on May 30, 2012, 10:39:25 am: I would really like to see a raised fist animation ingame.People who roleplay warriors,political prisoners,zealots,anarchists,resistance fighters and others will find it quite useful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist
http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/Fist.html
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Eonwind on May 30, 2012, 02:39:37 pm: unfortunately in many country this simple gesture raise many issue
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Moja Aere on May 30, 2012, 07:16:26 pm: Eonwind may be right, but I think I really agree with Catlemur!
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Catlemur on May 30, 2012, 08:43:04 pm: Quote from: Eonwind on May 30, 2012, 02:39:37 pm
unfortunately in many country this simple gesture raise many issue
I was not aware of such an issue but if this gesture is considered offensive by a group of people then of course I am not going to insist.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Jawir on May 30, 2012, 08:57:51 pm: Jawir, prouds to make someone not really happy, rises his left fist and says:"Hi comrades".
8) 8)
We can't be loved be everyone! 8) 8)
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Candy on May 30, 2012, 11:01:01 pm: This link contains swears. Y'know, in case you're that easily offended.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16335_7-innocent-gestures-that-can-get-you-killed-overseas.html

So, are we going to avoid having animations for all of these, too?
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Gilrond on May 31, 2012, 04:00:41 am: Well, some aren't scared to use it for Internet provider emblem:

(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/projects/93009/pictures/thumbnail/20120411075656-calyx-color-logo.png?1334156599)
http://www.indiegogo.com/calyx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbAN1V5qm2Q
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57412225-281/this-internet-provider-pledges-to-put-your-privacy-first-always/
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Rigwyn on May 31, 2012, 05:53:18 am: Folks, this is Planeshift. These hand gestures and so on don't exist here. There's no history or cultural usage to give them meaning.

As for people who will take offense at things willy-nilly, that's their problem. They will be sure to find things to take offense to wherever they go. In that respect, they are cursed with their own foolishness.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: LigH on May 31, 2012, 08:51:44 am: I'd prefer to have the broken (order-shifted) "wave" animations fixed first. Especially the one of the Kran is obviously wrong.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: SAristo on May 31, 2012, 11:58:50 am: Quote from: Candy on May 30, 2012, 11:01:01 pm
http://www.cracked.com/article_16335_7-innocent-gestures-that-can-get-you-killed-overseas.html
Quote from: Rigwyn on May 31, 2012, 05:53:18 am
Folks, this is Planeshift. These hand gestures and so on don't exist here. There's no history or cultural usage to give them meaning.
LOL! Still gotta watch where you put those thumbs... who knows what your dwarf third aunt three times removed makes of it?
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Eonwind on May 31, 2012, 06:49:52 pm: Quote from: Rigwyn on May 31, 2012, 05:53:18 am

Folks, this is Planeshift. These hand gestures and so on don't exist here. There's no history or cultural usage to give them meaning.

As for people who will take offense at things willy-nilly, that's their problem. They will be sure to find things to take offense to wherever they go. In that respect, they are cursed with their own foolishness.

do you realise that in some country this is forbidden by the law? do we really want to deal with such issue?
this is PlanShift, so why can't just imagine a less troublesome gesture to express the same emotion?
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Moja Aere on May 31, 2012, 09:48:08 pm: I'm sorry if I'm going a bit off topic but I think I can't exactly see the point. It depends on gestures. And it depends on countries. And it depends on laws too. In the country where I live, for example, another gesture is forbidden by the law, a gesture which in my opinion is quite more offensive. But it is often shown, even by, for example, popular football players while playing... and if you take offence, well, you just have to live with it. Nice, isn't it?
So it seems that, of course it depends on where you live, law can be sooo relative.

Anyway, as someone said we're on PS here.
So I think that if/when some of the people who roleplay warriors, political prisoners, zealots, anarchists, resistance fighters and others (and I hope we all agree that these are playable roles) will meet and will choose a gesture, well, that choosen gesture, as it will have an in-game story, should be accepted and respected whatever it will be. And it will have the right to ask for an animation.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Phantomboy86 on May 31, 2012, 11:28:57 pm: Quote from: Eonwind on May 31, 2012, 06:49:52 pm
Quote from: Rigwyn on May 31, 2012, 05:53:18 am

Folks, this is Planeshift. These hand gestures and so on don't exist here. There's no history or cultural usage to give them meaning.

As for people who will take offense at things willy-nilly, that's their problem. They will be sure to find things to take offense to wherever they go. In that respect, they are cursed with their own foolishness.

do you realise that in some country this is forbidden by the law? do we really want to deal with such issue?
this is PlanShift, so why can't just imagine a less troublesome gesture to express the same emotion?

I extremely highly doubt its illegal to use a video game animation in any country, and those that do have that illegal probably don't have clean water and steady internet. If you're a good roleplayer, you wont bring your own culture in just to screw people out of a neat animation that has no basis in anything outside of Yliakum.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: BoevenF on June 01, 2012, 01:19:28 am: The point is not if this gesture is significant inside or outside Yliakum. The point is that there are many animations to do before this rightful wish proposed by Catlemur. Some time ago Talad asked our opinion about the gestures to be added, since there was someone who had time to work on that. this is the link:
http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=37335.0

As you can see, we have quite diverse opinions about what key animations are :)
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Gilrond on June 01, 2012, 02:33:30 am: Quote from: Eonwind on May 31, 2012, 06:49:52 pm
do you realise that in some country this is forbidden by the law? do we really want to deal with such issue?

Really? This is weird. What kind of country that can be?
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Chessire on June 01, 2012, 10:45:03 am: Quote from: Eonwind on May 31, 2012, 06:49:52 pm

do you realise that in some country this is forbidden by the law? do we really want to deal with such issue?
this is PlanShift, so why can't just imagine a less troublesome gesture to express the same emotion?

There is nothing "forbidden" or "troublesome" when you re making art, and games are art. Nuff said.
Aside that, i think raised fist is a nice idea to keep in mind, and politics are a nice aspect of the game.

Just remember what staying IC means. It doesn't matter what ideas you have as a person because as with everything else the player's own political ideas shouldn't affect the character's ideas and its not necessary they are the same. Your character is a different person you can overview from above but he/she/kra is not yourself.
So, even if someone was roleplaying a political extremist using ideas or symbols from real life there is no danger of offending anyone, just as long as everything remains IC. If the situation goes out of hand and people start to actually argue its bad roleplaying.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Eonwind on June 01, 2012, 01:44:06 pm: this issue has nothing to do with staying IC or OOC (and personally a raised fist hand don't trouble me that much) the issue is with the law, I realise for some of you the thing sounds weird but I just suggest to stay out of trouble since it *may* happen that some judge can forbid the game distribution in some country. Just to make an example that everyone can understand pornography in a game can have the same issue.
However I am not a lawyer, I'm just suggestion to avoid unwanted issue perhaps with a different animation.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Korumak on June 01, 2012, 03:13:35 pm: Just a thought, but if some country banned cats from standing upright does that mean we Enki got to go?
My thought, fix what we got first, then add.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Phantomboy86 on June 01, 2012, 08:14:25 pm: Quote from: Eonwind on June 01, 2012, 01:44:06 pm
this issue has nothing to do with staying IC or OOC (and personally a raised fist hand don't trouble me that much) the issue is with the law, I realise for some of you the thing sounds weird but I just suggest to stay out of trouble since it *may* happen that some judge can forbid the game distribution in some country. Just to make an example that everyone can understand pornography in a game can have the same issue.
However I am not a lawyer, I'm just suggestion to avoid unwanted issue perhaps with a different animation.

If you can find a single example of a country where this would be relevant, I'll immediately admit I'm wrong and you're right. Till then this is an absolutely ludicrous way to try and prevent anything. Because everything is illegal somewhere. This entire game is probably illegal in like... China where the internet is censored. And they have a lot more potential players than like, the middle of Africa where its a war crime to raise your hands.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Catlemur on June 01, 2012, 08:59:02 pm: Suppose this game gets banned in some country.Then the game will receive much attention from the online media,bringing in new players.That might sound extreme but that happened before.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Candy on June 02, 2012, 06:35:12 am: After looking for which country finds raised fists offensive via Google, I found that in some it's the equivalent to giving the middle finger...I've had my characters flip the bird at others whose players are from countries where this is offensive with no negative consequences. Probably more than the two times I can think of off the top of my head, too. Frankly, if you're that easily offended, you shouldn't even be on the internet. Heck, let's have sticking your middle finger up as an animation, too, unless the settings team decides some other gesture is the equivalent in Yliakum. It'll add to the immersion.
Title: Re: Raised Fist Animation.
Post by: Mogweh on June 03, 2012, 07:06:12 pm: Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_warcraft
With 10.2 million subscribers as of December 2011, World of Warcraft is currently the world's most-subscribed MMORPG, and holds the Guinness World Record for the most popular MMORPG by subscribers.

(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8252/arthasec.gif)

It's nice to be thoughtful of other people. However, if it's good enough for Blizzard I think Planeshift will get away with it. Oh, and they play WoW in China ;)

(ps. yes, I know it's not the kind of raised fist the op suggested.)