PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Volki on February 02, 2015, 11:56:53 pm
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also how ironic that the notorious ERPer said my idea sucked
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I think a bathhouse would be fun, but you have to consider historically how bath houses have been utilized. Besides the earliest concepts in ancient Greece, the need to bathe, (separate quarters for men, women and slaves and for those with more coinage, all sorts of spa luxuries,) the Romans took it to a whole new level of decadence with sports facilities, food and entertainment, and some of these decadence's are not so pg friendly. Also the bathhouse venue in modern times, was/is definitely not pg friendly, there is a sleazy element conjured in the very word bathhouse because of this modern venue. We have taken the early historical concept and it now flourishes as the "Spa." Just some thoughts.
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This game isn't PG. It has no rating. lol
I thought all of that was implied when I said bathhouses. Spas are just the same. We have a tavern and bedrooms. Imagine all the debauchery that already occurs in Kada's. If the possibility of two players doing inappropriate things together is enough to not consider an idea, then the whole game should be scrapped.
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Psht, there has never been any debauchery or violence in Kada's.
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Maybe you should dream big go for a whole district, and add a bordello on the same street as the bathhouse with a madame npc? :P
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Maybe you should dream big go for a whole district, and add a bordello on the same street as the bathhouse with a madame npc? :P
There goes the PG-13 setting. What's worse is that there would be people volunteering to work there.
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Well, if it was classy :devil:
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Maybe you should dream big go for a whole district, and add a bordello on the same street as the bathhouse with a madame npc? :P
I think you have been severely misled as to what actually occurred in baths. I'm obviously not suggesting we have modern gay bathhouses which are designated for one purpose only.
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We need more obese characters
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Romans were quite notorious for everything having a price, and men's bathhouses, were often frequented by the local Aquirii "water boys" and lower class female prostitutes. In Rome, married women had very little rights and would be nowhere near a mens bathhouse unless they were for sale or slaves. The Ancient Greeks also liked to utilize there bathhouses for some unadulterated fun too. Both Romans and Greeks were more open about homosexuality and mens bathhouses were most likely ancient places to "cruise" which is why it was emulated in modern times in gay communities. I would most definitely assume that adding a bathhouse to a role play game would be precisely used for the opposite of getting clean. I mean all you had to say was bathhouse to me and look where my head went. lol.
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And you weren't the only one :D
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@Siteya - You do realize non-sexual activities occurred there, right? And that not every Roman was a homosexual? Are you a Puritan? And lol at "Romans and Greeks were more open about homosexuality". Than us? They definitely were not. I know you are a lewd person, but please don't sully this thread with it. Once again, the tavern's beds. Things happen on them.
married women had very little rights and would be nowhere near a mens bathhouse
Then I suppose we should also take weapons and property from all the female characters. There are also plenty of examples where men and women bathed together throughout history, which obviously led to sexual activity, but so did segregation of the sexes. It's almost like humans are slave to their biology - gasp!
The idea for baths was to 1) give people a place to roleplay, 2) give something that artists in the community can make, 3) expand the culture of the cities which would adopt baths.
If you're going to disagree with this suggestion, do so in a way that doesn't require you to make logical fallacies.
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Lolwut.
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Volki I am not being lewd, nor trying to sully this thread. I am stating historical facts in a playful yet discreet manner and mentioning what I thought was obvious. I apologize if I have upset you. I was not even sure if you were joking when it was first posted and that you were not being lewd. The game actually does have a pg13 rating, which I respect and uphold. I don't think having a bathhouse would be appropriate and might be less accurately correct for a medieval setting, as people began to bath, or wash up (more likely) privately, and wooden tubs began to be utilized by the wealthy. Also depending on time & geography bathhouses could have been seen as unclean and morally wrong as a more severe puritanical mindset swept through Europe with the plague. I also think that it would be giving a green signal for predators, which I definitely think is not worth it. I hope that helps you understand my position better, with no jest or "lewd" commentary, which I am really not sure how you come to label me as such when sarcastic might have been a better choice.
http://www.medievalists.net/2013/04/13/did-people-in-the-middle-ages-take-baths/
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'Teya, you're being had I think ;)
I wouldn't sweat it.
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Psssht, this thread is dead to me :P
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You can't have bath houses in PS unless you can recruit Bette Midler to play the game.
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Would I be incorrect in thinking that in medieval times, washing was something you did after working up a few weeks worth of honest stink and grime? Perhpas I'm a wuss, but the thought of someone washing a month's worth of filth off of them and getting the bad place clean too while at it is NOT very .... appetizing, let's say.
It's not the same as today's super clean folks bathing to wash for show or just to wash off anything that may have build up in the last 12 hours.
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@ Siteya:
PlaneShift may have settings similar to medieval times on earth in some aspects, but there are a lot of differences too. Octarchal law does not restrict power to men only. Powerful and self-confident women are rather common in Yliakum, just mentioning Amidison as one example.
I see no reason for avoiding a topic in Yliakum only because it worked in a different way in a different world. There should be more specific reasons related to the settings there to justify not considering it.
Maybe rather think of a Spa with several separate rooms and one-person tubs each, instead of bigger basins, so there won't be a need to muse a lot whether there should be two (or even three) separate facilities instead of only one, to avoid embarrassment.
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A public private bath house?
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Kran bathe in sandstorms, that is all.
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@Siteya, Yliakum is obviously not in a medieval setting. It is fantasy with some medieval elements, some ancient, some modern. You are once again fixated on the sexual. Please use logic here, not kneejerk Puritanism.
Maybe rather think of a Spa with several separate rooms and one-person tubs each, instead of bigger basins, so there won't be a need to muse a lot whether there should be two (or even three) separate facilities instead of only one, to avoid embarrassment.
That might work. I could see such a facility working well by the Arena.
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@Siteya, Yliakum is obviously not in a medieval setting. It is fantasy with some medieval elements, some ancient, some modern. You are once again fixated on the sexual. Please use logic here, not kneejerk Puritanism.
Knee jerk Puritanism? What do you mean by that?
As for dismissing Siteya's post because it is not "logical", how is her application of bath house details (whether real or embellished) illogical? If we are going to split hairs here, speaking "English" ICly and calling it "Common" is not logical. My point here is that as this entire game is fictional, some allowances to what is logical need to be made - otherwise, much of what we have in game could not possibly exist.
Fiction itself is a complete lie but within that lie, we try to create a sort of truth that readers will willingly accept as if it really was truth. As readers, we allow the fictional writer to lie to us for our own entertainment and suspend our disbelief - so long as they lie to us in a palletable way. Completely defying physics without a plausible excuse in a fictional movie when there is an expectation of reasonable physics is one such way that this contract of telling a coherent lie is broken - leading the viewer to disappointment.
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I'm saying that her criticisms are filled with logical fallacies, so it is a waste of my time to respond to her posts. By "kneejerk Puritanism" I mean the immediate equation of bathhouses with sexual activity and only that. Although, if you know the friends of Lhaa, you should be aware that none of them are Puritans.
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Before this thread turns into a multitude of this forums other threads, I just am gonna throw it out there that I don't think they were necessarily criticisms.
I'm done now.
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Sarras, I am a very polite person as I think my previous posts will implore, and I would never revert to name calling or degradation of character to win an argument, and actually I was just trying to have a conversation. I would also never throw another player under the bus that actually defended me, Like Lhaa, defended you. But I will say this. You win so big, your so righteous and I bow at your correct opinion. Please do continue to contribute to PS I shall never ever speak upon your threads unless it is in utter admiration. You are great.
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Before this thread turns into a multitude of this forums other threads, I just am gonna throw it out there that I don't think they were necessarily criticisms.
Then jokes don't belong on a wish list thread. Or whatever Siteya was trying to do.
I would never revert to name calling or degradation of character to win an argument
You must be mistaken because there is no argument here.
Like Lhaa, defended you.
I recall it being the other way around.
You are great.
Thanks!