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Title: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: PanDeMur on October 02, 2016, 08:54:03 pm: Ive started playing a few months ago and i'm enjoying this so far, i've been grinding for the most part though.

i was wondering however if there is an actual reason to grind? is there any dungeons/raids like other MMOs have? any bosses that require a group to take on? PvP?
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Illysia on October 02, 2016, 09:31:34 pm: To my knowledge, PS has no true dungeons or raids. However, I believe there are some boss level mobs hidden in out of the way places that require a group to take down. I think the lava monster may be one such mob, but I can't say for sure. Combat was never really my thing.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Emaline on October 02, 2016, 09:53:48 pm: Yes there are several bosses or stronger mobs that will require skills or groups to take them down.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: PanDeMur on October 02, 2016, 09:56:31 pm: Quote from: Illysia on October 02, 2016, 09:31:34 pm
To my knowledge, PS has no true dungeons or raids. However, I believe there are some boss level mobs hidden in out of the way places that require a group to take down. I think the lava monster may be one such mob, but I can't say for sure. Combat was never really my thing.

Is there any documentation on such mobs?
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Illysia on October 02, 2016, 10:14:59 pm: No, not to my knowledge. However, I believe exploring caves may lead to finding some. There's a cave system down in Shindrok's Crater.... if you survive the ascent up and the descent down into the crater.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: MishkaL1138 on October 02, 2016, 11:04:04 pm: There's absolutely no reason to grind, except:
- Achieving a sense of self-contentness through multiple achievements
- Maxing out every single profession to be learnt (read: actually implemented and not just for shows *coughpotterycoughmasonrycough*)
- Becoming very skilled at magic/dueling/exploring
- Charting every map, city, sewer system and cave available
- Becoming the richest player

Or, you know, you could realize PlaneShift is not your usual comercial MMO (at least one of those M's is a lie) and assume there is no endgame other than your character actually dying definitively by means of roleplay.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Illysia on October 02, 2016, 11:18:01 pm: While I wouldn't put it that way :P, Mishka is right. This isn't like most MMOs, you don't have to grind. I stopped grinding in PS after my first character. I didn't train most of my characters at all.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Rigwyn on October 02, 2016, 11:36:08 pm: I am assuming that PanDeMur means the kind of gaming action that is designed for players with maxed characters. The short answerer is no. There might be one or two bosses now, but that's about it, and by boss, I mean something that a few players can take down in a short period of time. ( The last time I played, there really wasn't anything like this )

With PS, leveling is a little different. You don't need to max everything, rather you pick and choose which areas you wish to specialize in. There are no classes, so what you train is what you become strong in. As for end content, there may be some players around still who like to duel (pvp), but that's about it.

I think they want to add content like this to the game, but it will take time to develop it.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Illysia on October 03, 2016, 12:07:39 am: Maybe they could add those randomly generated dungeons they used to talk about, some day, but it would be hard to make a true endgame. PS is designed around RP not raiding, so there's no real "end" to get to. There was never a real plan for an end either.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Rigwyn on October 03, 2016, 12:43:23 am: Quote
PS is designed around RP not raiding,

I'm not so sure about that. How many developers do you know of here who are interested in role playing? They call it a "role playing" game, but I don't think their definition of it is quite the same as ours. The genre itself is called RPG, and I think that's really what they are talking about when they say it's a role playing game.

"End user content" is content (dungeons, raids, battle grounds, matches) designed for fully leveled players. It gives them a reason to stick around and makes it worth it to level up in the first place. It's the part that you "do" once you have finished training. PlaneShift is still missing the "part that you do" once you are finished training. You train and and then you are like, "lol... now wut." This is why we end up roleplaying in PlaneShift - because there is nothing to do but train for nothing.

The way WoW does it, is they make it so that you can level a character in a month to a few ( depending on how fast you are ), then let you progress much farther by winning progressively better gear while playing the end game content. ( ie dungeons, raids, battle grounds ). With each expansion, the time it takes to grind from zero to max increases, so they make it possible to "buy in" at a high level so that you can play the expansion pack only. This last part creates new problems too - like devaluing everything you worked for... blah blah blah..
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Illysia on October 03, 2016, 12:55:07 am: I was specifically talking about PS not RPGs or MMOs in general.

PS was stated, by Talad, to be a game for Roleplayers. It so happens that it that gives you other things to do. Now I have seen Talad RP, so I will concede that maybe he has a different definition than some. I will also concede the game's RP focus is really blurry. Nevertheless it is still a game that has mechanics centered around roleplaying. This is why we have chat logging instead of raids whereas it's the other way around in most MMOs.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Aeghiss on October 06, 2016, 08:51:35 pm: I'd just like to give a different opinion, though I agree to the idea that grinding skills doesn't make much sense in PlaneShift.
Grinding without doing anything at the same time doesn't make sense to my eyes. But I don't mind doing it and doing something else at the same time (e.g. listening to music, chatting, etc).
Thus, if my IG level in a job doesn't reach the level my character is ICly supposed to have, I continue to train. I guess some people will find it stupid or useless. Now, it feels more honest. And I have real projects at the same time, such as an event which should happen between the 22d and the 30th of October.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: MishkaL1138 on October 07, 2016, 01:03:17 am: From all this talk I've gathered just one thing:

PlaneShift
Real Life Simulator, now with more cat girls!

Don't tell me it doesn't have a nice ring to it. Also, I'm framing this:
Quote from: Illysia on October 02, 2016, 11:18:01 pm
[...] Mishka is right.
I bet this won't happen ever again.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Dilihin on October 07, 2016, 01:25:33 pm: IMO grinding is more like matter of principle than actually trying gain something but ofc there is other reasons too.
As to endgame content, yes there is bosses but you dont need so high levels to solo them (*cough* potions *cough* magic). As to other things, well you can of course RP that you have those skills, i guess thats pretty much it.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Vaneal Serozen on October 21, 2016, 04:36:47 pm: Quote from: PanDeMur on October 02, 2016, 08:54:03 pm
Ive started playing a few months ago and i'm enjoying this so far, i've been grinding for the most part though.

i was wondering however if there is an actual reason to grind? is there any dungeons/raids like other MMOs have? any bosses that require a group to take on? PvP?

Hello and Welcome to Planeshift. Not certain if you are still looking for answers or even if you are still playing but thought I would at least try to give you a bit more insight into the game and what if any advantages there are to grinding up skills and stats.

PS, like others have already said, is not your typical mmorpg. We do have some pretty tough bosses that you can take on and it is advisable to do so with a group. Last I knew the toughest one was a decent challenge though it is bugy but it will be a while before you are ready to face him so I wouldn't worry about that. All my knowledge of that is second hand as I've yet to try it myself. A good number of the bosses are something one very advanced player can take down but that all depends on said players skill set.

A big thing is the freedom to explore. If you want to go into all the deep dark places and live to tell about it, then you are going to need some way of mitigating damage and neutralizing threats. Potions are only going to buy you time. There are not many aggressive enemies in PS at this time but the ones that are will generally be a much tougher than a normal enemy of their type.

(EDIT: Left some stuff out. Aggressive enemies are becoming more common and are not always a lot tougher than their respective type. Whether an aggressive enemy attacks and how they attack you is dependent on how strong your character is relative to the specific enemy. If you are significantly weaker then the enemy, it will attack you in a aggressive or bloody stance that will allow them to do more damage to you but take a lot more themselves. If you are stronger then them, they will attack in a normal or defensive stance to reduce incoming damage while still being able to dish it out pretty well. Unlike most mmorpgs enemies in PS will chase you for a long distance or until they become stuck on something or are no longer able to target you, like when you go through a load point. This might have changed so they might have a maximum distance.)

PVP, one of my favorite topics, not what it once was in ps. Due to some recent additions to the game the damage and defensive system is a little lopsided and a general lack of pvp zones that are big enough to contain fights or any incentive to even be in them. We used to have a VERY popular pvp zone with gladiators in it that you could kill for the best loot in game but the gladiators were removed. Now that pvp zone is empty and very neglected. There are other pvp zones but they really do not compare. A new damage system is being developed and that should fix some of the problems. As to a reborn pvp zone, That remains to be seen.

RP reasons, some players like to rp as a warrior and not have any skills to back it. That is completely up to the player to decide. Personally, I don't want to walk around acting like a tough guy and then been seen running away from a diseased rat.... it just looks wrong in my honest opinion and so I have invested in my characters skills and stats to better fit him.

Hope this helped you or any other new player with the same question browsing the forums.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Emaline on October 21, 2016, 06:22:22 pm: Also a new boss is will be added on the next mini update, according to the last DEV meeting, and that's something they want to do here shortly to fix some crafting bugs as well.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: PanDeMur on October 23, 2016, 03:56:59 pm: Thanks for the huge amount of replies :D

I was mainly interesed in group interaction, like grouping up to take down bosses and all. PvP seems interesting too but from what ive seen most people who play PvP have been training for years and are all mostly maxed out, so being on par with their level will take ages.

If i want to find a group to take on bosses and such, where should i look for?
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: cdmoreland on October 23, 2016, 05:09:18 pm: With the low player count the best way may be to ask in gossip.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Vaneal Serozen on October 27, 2016, 08:22:45 pm: Quote from: PanDeMur on October 23, 2016, 03:56:59 pm
Thanks for the huge amount of replies :D

PvP seems interesting too but from what ive seen most people who play PvP have been training for years and are all mostly maxed out, so being on par with their level will take ages.

Hello again,
I think you greatly overestimate the time it takes to get a character into PvP shape. The most important part of PvP in PS is understanding the game mechanics. Second most important is what skills to train and how high to train them so that your time and effort is having maximum effect. The problem is they are not documented very well even though for a long time there have been groups of people who really like to engage in friendly and often downright deceptive/hostile PvP. As you can imagine secrets are heavily guarded. The way I see it is that this level of secrecy is about pointless when there is next to none pvping anymore.

From what I've seen in PS is that there tends to be two different kinds of PvPers as far as their methods go. Those who prefer using a small subset of skills and claiming it takes more skill and is therefor superior to other methods and those who will use anything and everything so long as it works. You tend to see this attitude reflected in some npc too. But when you look at the strongest of characters, like those in Bronze Doors Fortress for example, they embrace more diverse skill sets. The biggest and most noticeable skill is magic. I'll not go into the amount of name calling that has come from niche fighters who will only use weapons to such an extreme degree that they don't even understand magic mechanics well enough to counter a mage and then complain about over powered magic and spells. I've used magic primarily in pvp for as long as I have pvped in PS and I can tell you that I have (almost) never killed anyone who was actually on their toes enough to have a plan in case they were attacked ( Edit: there are a few exceptions that come to mind. Lets just say those spells were kinda new in the game and not expected so..... yeah). Time permitting I plan on writing some guides as to what skills to focus on depending on a players particular focus and talking about some game mechanics as I think this would greatly help new players and answer a lot of questions. Maybe even get new players to realize the complexity of the game so they realize there is more to it that what it looks like at first glance.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Wocib on October 27, 2016, 08:53:28 pm: Quote from: Vaneal Serozen on October 27, 2016, 08:22:45 pm
Hello again,
I think you ...Blah blah blah blah... that what it looks like at first glance.

Did you ever try PvP ? it's strange I've never see you fighting any of us...

@PanDeMur
There is 2 school of PvPing as following:
- Timing, those who has a clock in mind at anytime and know exactly when they gonna hit.
- Chasing, the art of moving and chasing your opponent, more chance to get him if you are alway close enouth to hit even if your timing isnt perfect.
OH and there is third one, the LUCK. ;D

If you're interested in learning PVP there are actualy some good ones, here are the names you should look for ingame:
- Farriro
- Jhe
- Bonifarzia
- Dalos
- Deryna
- Tazaun
- Wouli
- Ewek

I may have forgot some but here are a link of one of the last PVP event.
http://207.244.96.64/PlaneShift/smf/index.php?topic=42862.0
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Izzabella on October 27, 2016, 09:46:22 pm: Quote from: Wocib on October 27, 2016, 08:53:28 pm

OH and there is third one, the LUCK. ;D

Oh my gosh I swore that's all it was for the longest time!! I spent many times practicing with Djugu, Farirro, Tozaun, Deryna, Kramillia few others but most consistently them. Djugu and Far kept telling me it's all in the timing blah blah blah....finally one night somehow it just clicked and I was able to figure it out-- I think it was Djugu's patience with me that might have helped.

So now I know timing does have something to do with it....but I still think it's mostly luck. :whistling:

Also any of the guys mentioned above are really great at teaching and practicing with you even if your stats are not maxed out, they really encouraged me to join in and teach me what they could. They have methods to help teach timing and such and you can still practice with them.
Title: Re: Is there any endgame content for this game?
Post by: Vaneal Serozen on October 27, 2016, 11:07:07 pm: Quote from: Wocib on October 27, 2016, 08:53:28 pm
Quote from: Vaneal Serozen on October 27, 2016, 08:22:45 pm
Hello again,
I think you ...Blah blah blah blah... that what it looks like at first glance.

Did you ever try PvP ? it's strange I've never see you fighting any of us...

@PanDeMur
There is 2 school of PvPing as following:
- Timing, those who has a clock in mind at anytime and know exactly when they gonna hit.
- Chasing, the art of moving and chasing your opponent, more chance to get him if you are alway close enouth to hit even if your timing isnt perfect.
OH and there is third one, the LUCK. ;D

If you're interested in learning PVP there are actualy some good ones, here are the names you should look for ingame:
- Farriro
- Jhe
- Bonifarzia
- Dalos
- Deryna
- Tazaun
- Wouli
- Ewek

I may have forgot some but here are a link of one of the last PVP event.
http://207.244.96.64/PlaneShift/smf/index.php?topic=42862.0

Ok, First of all I would not recommend learning anything from Jhe as that player has been banned for harassment and using bots more times than I can keep track of. I know for a fact that at least two of the remaining characters are played by the same player.

Bonifarzia, the player who won the grand prize, is someone who I count myself as a friend of and I hope she counts me as one too and I am certain she could teach my volumes of ps mechanics alone. I am good friends with and also guild mates with Farirro and have discussed pvp in depth with him. We both have our respective preferences him being a dueler and me being primarily a mage. We NEVER fight about who or what is better.

I'm not trying to argue with you on the best way of fighting but when some, not saying you, players argue with Eonwind, a planeshift developer, about armor being to much to cut through and he tells you its not one really does have to wonder what is being missed. I am simply trying to give some incite to a new player. I know that the dueling community is very outspoken and so I did not bother explaining anything about that because there are more than half a dozen other people that can do that as you already pointed out.

Unfortunately, what you refer to as luck is more often and much more easily referred to as frames per second and the server lag. These things will ALWAYS create uncertain variables in the equation. Being a dueler is to embrace these variables and let yourself be subject to them. Being a mage is to work through more a certain but much slower method. **Dueling does not equate pvp but rather a part of it.** That event that you provided a link to was STRICTLY FOR DUELING ONLY. You were not allowed to use an enchanted weapon and were not allowed to have anything magic at all in your entire inventory.

When I began pvping in ps I had about 1200 ping. No player, no mater how good can duel with that ping. Magic was my only choice. I had no time to learn to duel for the event because I was in the middle of my final semester of college. Farriro is my witness to that. I was plenty stressed at that time and due to some confusion and a great deal of foolishness on my part I got very upset about that event and created this post.

http://207.244.96.64/PlaneShift/smf/index.php?topic=42864.msg479378#msg479378 (http://207.244.96.64/PlaneShift/smf/index.php?topic=42864.msg479378#msg479378)

Now, this post remains because I don't believe in hiding my mistakes or past. I would have thought you would have used this for ammo instead. That was then, I let it go as I have let many other things go for the sake of my own health and for the health of the game. I do not know or where this bitterness came from as it existed before I began playing PS but I think it is high time it ends. Some players told me to organize my own mages event but what they did not and probably still do not realize is that magic is so imbalanced right now that a good mage without any enchanted gear can easily out heal an opponent of equal strength resulting in an indefinite fight. I've never encountered so much hate and poor sportsmanship in all of my PvP gaming than I have in PS. What gives?