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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: tygerwilde on June 18, 2003, 07:21:41 pm
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college life, been gettin up at five in the mornin to get ready, get nicky in daycare, get to school, and get my classes over with, walking the entire way, at least 5 miles a day in 90-100 degree weather... not easy when the humidity is sittin at roughly 100 percent
on the bright side, in four days I\'ve managed to lose some weight, two notches on my belt and nicky\'s havin a great time in daycare :)
well, gotta go do some algebra and read a chaper in my writing book, seeya later peeps.
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Now I simply can\'t wait to get to college :P
sounds pretty rough...
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back, for a bit anyway, it\'s tough on me, but then again, I\'ve been a full time dad and a gamer for two and a half years, don\'t do a lot of walkin... and suddenly I\'m going out everyday, so it\'s a big difference. I\'m sure I\'ll get used to it, I\'m just hurtin real bad right now
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this conversations, is one that only \'puter geeks/nerds/interested people can have. :p
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or those like me, whom till yesterday had no life whatsoever:D
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If you ever get the spare time... consider starting at a gym, It pays off in the end!
3 months of intense training (about 2 hours a day 4 days a week) and you\'ll be fitter than most, trust me :)
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hehe, well, I\'m pretty happy with the way I\'m losing weight now, I\'m down yet another notch in my belt today. and it\'s only the third day of school... doing some pre homework surfing now... just wish I had more time for gaming lately... but I guess there\'s always the weekends
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There\'s always the weekends, don\'t ever forget those :P
I just got summer vacation yesterday after a horrifying french exam, so I\'ve got plenty of time to go to the gym.. Although I don\'t lose weight I gain.. protein style ;) Consider it again after you run out of notches on your belt :P
and please don\'t consider me as one of those types trying to get you to join a local gym... \'cause normally I\'m not :P
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heh, I can\'t lose too much now man, my wife likes men with a jellyroll, it\'s women she likes slender
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heh! sounds like a wife worth keeping :P
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no kiddin man, I plan on it :p too bad she\'s too shy to talk to girls...:(
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hehe... Oh well :P Maybe she\'ll pick that up in time...
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she\'s had girlfriends, but it\'s always the same thing, she needs to have the other girl approach her, you know? she can never make the first move, which in a bible thumping town like this, it\'s not gonna happen easy
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Too bad.... ever considerer moving to europe (Denmark??) :P
I\'m Glad I live in Denmark and not some redneck town in the US. Religion is not a big hit here... at least not amongst us sane people of my generation... :P I get by well enough without having to pray for salvation, for I don\'t believe that there is something to be saved from, nor do I believe in gods...
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heh, as a druid, I beleive in a creator, that all religions believe in the same god under a different name, and it doesn\'t matter if you pray or not, because it doesn\'t matter how many times you say you\'re sorry, all that matters is whether you\'ve tried to do good in your life, if you\'re hurting other people and enjoying it, you\'re toast.
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I like most ideas behind the major religions, like doing good and such, but I am not at all attracted to the way certain people preach on the behalf of the religion to make one join.. nor am I fond of the way religions like Christianity, Jewism (or whatever) and Islam are making their way in the world...
Extremists and fanatics are the worst people I could imagine living in a community with. I would sooner die than succumb to their insane preachings :D
I don\'t have nearly as much mistrust against smaller religions such as the druidic one you are practicing.. And I am actually rather fond of the Ase (or norse) religion.. I like the mythologi that sprouted in its wake, and the characters/gods a whole lot more than any of the major religions...
IMO religions are a remnant of the past.. and should have been forgotten a long time ago... to bad they weren\'t...
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yes, extremists are sad, they think that their \"kind and benevolent\" god would want billions of people who don\'t believe in the same god dead, which is very sad
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couldn\'t agree with you more :tup:
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\'\'There are plenty of people who believe Elvis is alive, or that aliens occasionally land here to do highly personal things to people, or that the whole idea of evolution is a conspiracy of Godless scientists.
Almost all of these people can vote and some of them have guns.\'\'
scary quote there from Mr.Pratchett.
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well, elvis might be alive, I\'ll grant that might be possible, stranger things could happen. I doubt it though...
but if aliens come to earth to have wild monkey lovin to our behinds with metal dildoes, then my shlong is fifty pounds of prime beef and the bogey man is my mother
there might be life on another planet, but it\'s doubtful that they\'re advanced enough to travel here every summer. Also it\'s very doubtful that they\'re THAT curious about that particular part of our bodies...
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you never know what those alien buggers might be up to... :D
I just ate a lot of garlic so if they plan on abducting me tonight I\'ll just breathe at them :] oh, and I won\'t have to worry about vampires either.. :P
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*becomes paranoid, puts on steel undies and nightlight necklace, grabs holy scythe and heads to basement bunker*
lets see em get me now
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I can\'t believe it! You registered only 10 days after me, tiger! I can\'t get over that you\'ve reached Double-As (whatever that, is) so quick.
Also...
I know what you mean about this southern heat and humidity.
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I know what you mean about this southern religious conformity, these people are like stepford wives (or those kids from disturbing behavior).
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Skain is right, you really need to fear these crazy people who will believe anything, \'they\' are the ones in charge.... G W Bush springs immediately to mind.
*stays paranoid*
btw,
What are you taking in college?
m.
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hehe, well, I like to spend lots of time on the boards, skimming thru things, just seeing where I can put my big nose in...
LOL, love it mrsamd, always good to know I\'m not the only one who sees the inhumanity of bible thumpers.
and yeah, gw is a nutcase, can\'t beleive even naievity of the populace could get him elected
and the people here in cape boycotted the Dixie chicks for what they said about him, what happened to freedom of speech, I liked thier music before, but now my respect for them has gone way up
this semester basic algebra and basic writing.
I\'m thinking of majoring in 3d graphic design, but not sure yet
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\"Within a few years America will have the best educated americans in the whole wide world.\"
You gotta love when americans vote for Bush. No offense to those of you who didn\'t.
Oh, and Double-as probably means Double-assistant... or so I hope..
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\"within a matter of months, america voted for the best uneducated american to lead them\"-me
heh, I\'m afraid that I didn\'t vote, in fact, I feel ashamed that if I had gotten all my non voting friends to vote against bush, we wouldn\'t have made that mistake...
although, to be honest, I don\'t mind the fact that saddam is outta the way, even tho we went in there for bad reasons.
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I don\'t like Bush either, even though I could care less since he, and thank god for that, isn\'t president in my country.. We danes sent some of our soldiers to Iraq too, and I was a bit against it at first, but then I sort of changed my mind and thought that it would strengthen our relations with the US if we helped them, and even though the force we contributed with was extremely small, I am still glad we helped to liberate the Iraqi people from Saddam...
Now all the fuss in DK is about whether or not whe should send some of our police to Iraq to help them organise their own police force...
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But you\'re forgetting one thing. If Bush wasn\'t elected then Gore would have been. It\'s a choice of two evils.
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hmmm.. I hardly know anything about Al Gore.. anyone care to tell me a little something about him?
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well, if you placed two potatoes next to one another...
get the idea, if not
the potatoes would be better candidates for government
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I think a better comparison would be...
a wooden plank and a wad of toilet paper
sadly both are cut from the same cloth
as most politicians.
Gore was Clinton\'s vice prez
he was the \'Environmentalist\'
against George \'Oil Man\' Bush
he had no personality and appeared very uncomfortable on camera, and you know how we Americans like our politicians camera-ready at all times. His ideas were unoriginal, and he seemed as fake as Pamela Andersons boobs.
Hope that helps, Caldazar...
:o)
m.
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I think it\'s a very capitalistic way the run for president is done in the US... I have the impression that you have to have millions and millions of dollars just to have a slight chance to get elected, because you need a large campaign..
And as in Bush\'s case, the presidents are made fools of (perhaps because some of them are truly fools)
But that\'s only my perception of the situation...
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well, the reason you need so much is because you need to have half the nation know who you are, and like you, personally I\'ve decided I\'m going to start voting every election, just so that I can say that I didn\'t try to prevent the current idiot from being elected. but since all the candidates are idiots, I\'m forever going to vote for
{drumroll}
INSANE CLOWN POSSE
{/drumroll}
just because I KNOW that they\'re nuts, don\'t have to learn it the hard way
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Well If i can ever be arsed to vote its the raving loony party all the way for me. Woot
http://www.omrlp.com/
OFFICIAL MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY HAVE A NEW WEBSITE!!!
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hey man, I think ICP would be great in the white house, Violent J can handle the nukes, and shags can handle the interns.
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I\'ve been hearing so much good about a wooden plank... perhaps you should elect it instead... who knows, might be an improvement over bush :P
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I vote...
Wooden Plank!
Sure he\'s kinda boring and tends to not say too much... then again he doesn\'t go around bombing people either. Goerge Bush\'s main problem is that he believes wholeheartedly in Christianity, and he thinks that the Osama bin Ladens of this world represent Satan. He doesn\'t see the true cause of the plight of third-world countries, and can only attribute the desperation that such conditions breed to Evil. I\'m certainly not defending bin Laden, he is a megalomaniac, but he is the only hero the poor in the Middle East have to stand up to America and her allies. Our American leaders have been using and abusing these folks for way too long, once we put an end to that, there will be no need of insane monsters to defend these people.
I for one will not start voting... at least until there is someone worth electing... but I wouldn\'t suggest holding your breath waiting for that to happen.
Sorry I keep butting in here :)
m.
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let\'s not forget that religion has a major role in these hostilities... if there was no religion, there wouldn\'t be nearly as much war..
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Ya, but almost every war in the history had nothing to do with religion. Religion is something that the leaders use to rally the masses. For example, Bin Ladin and Stalin. Im sure there are more, I just cant remember anymore, after all, it is summer :).
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Gore might appear more dull, but he\'s smarter, thinks about environment, and cares more for the world instead of USA-only then George W(armachine) Bush. But, sad as it is, the charisma is mor eimportant then the political views. Here in Holland it\'s exactly the same :\\
Oh and probably 90% of histor?es wars were caused by religion.
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No, religion is just a fasad (spelling?) used me the leaders to make the people willing to fight. For example, Jihad has NOTHING to do with fighting non-muslims. Jihad is a war that goes on in every human.
OK, that didnt make any sence, but you get the point..
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if there was no religion you would have trouble rallying the masses.. and the moral values of Good and Evil wouldn\'t be around if there wasn\'t religion... so if there wasn\'t any religion to uphold the moral values, there wasn\'t any evil...
but we will probably never know, because most people are too naive to cast off the shell of religion and face the real world...
religion is for the feeble minded
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Yea well, religion will always exist anyways. I know the religions itself do not want war, but that doesnt take away the fact that they are the reason of many wars. I guess we just have to live with it.
Oh, and religious peole are not feeble minded, in most cases they just don\'t know better. If you were born in the Middle East, you\'d be a moslim now. Do you feel feeble minded? :P And I also know a nice theory about that \'good\' can\'t exist when there is no \'evil\' :)
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Well, everything has an opposite. Im not sure that there are such a thing as good or bad. It is all in the eye of the beholder. We consider Usama to be evil, but many muslims dont. Not saying that all muslims do.
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I daresay most moslims don\'t :P
And I agree with that everything has an opposite. How do you define \'good\' when there is no \'evil\' that you can compare it with?
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well, this got busy didn\'t it...
mrs
the problem with not voting is that whenever you have any kind of complaint with the government, voters tell you that you should be voting for someone you believe in and that until you do, you have no right to talk bad about it....
cal
it\'s spelled facade, with a soft c :) hopefully that\'s helpful
however, I have to say that I agree more with xal and para here, most wars were started because of extremist conflicts. however, it wasn\'t nearly 90 percent, more like 65-70
remember, hitler believed earnestly that Jews killed crist, and he rallied his men against them
the two greates struggles of man are religion and territory in that order. learned that in sociology
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tyger\'s right..
@para
If I was born the same person in a muslim country, I doubt that I would be hanging on to Islam... The very fact that my entire life philosophy is atheistic might have something to say in that matter... :]
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You really can\'t know. Your way of thinking is also influenced a lot by your parents, your culture etc. I\'m pretty sure everyone here would be muslim when they were born in the middle east, with muslim parents. If you grow up with the fact that Allah exist, you simply don\'t know better.
tygerwilde
In Africa alone hundreds of wars were and are waged for holy land and that kind of nonsense. In the midievals we\'ve had a LOT of wars. In the eastern part of the world were and are struggles over religion. Reasons for wars such as World War I and II are rare.
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para I\'ve given up trying to reason with fanatics a long time ago, and I can\'t recall how many times the argument you\'ve just given, was thrown in my face... My parents have influenced me, in a such a manner that I have chosen to totally abolish all religion
and giving the argument that I would have been a muslim if I lived in a muslim country, just doesn\'t make sense...
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Seriously? I think it\'s pretty logical. Especially in muslim countries. But it was just an example. I was just trying to make my point, that religious people aren\'t stupid or anything, but they usually just dont know better. I am not religious and, my parents aren\'t. I was just trying to make my point, that religious people aren\'t stupid or anything, but they usually just dont know better. That is called discussion :) I am no fanatic of anything, just of my own opinions about the world :)
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fanatics are often of a lower IQ level than \"sane\" people... but generally I agree with you and say that religious people just don\'t know better...
but what I meant with \"it just doesn\'t make sense\" was that you can never know if I would behave differently if I was in another country with different values...
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heh, I hear that about your raising...
a LOT of people say \"it\'s just how you were raised\" a lot of people seem to think that I\'m a druid because my family were druids and their family were druids, either that or my family didn\'t push religion on me enough, or something along that lines...
my family is made up of devout nazarenes and baptists(and yes, I know those are conflicting terms, we have arguments over it every thanksgiving and cristmas) when I was 13 I was born again. All that good gravy stuff... However, when I went to job corps, I looked at a few religious texts and realised that a lot of things in any writing in the christian faith contradicted themselves. How can a man respect his wife and have her subservient to him at the same time for example? and so I started reading every religious paper I came across, and the one that made the most sence to me was \"by oak ash and thorn\", I forget the author, but it was part of the lewellyn collection. in essence it was a textbook that explained the histories of the gaelics, the ways of the celtic shamans, natural order and balance.
I studied this for a while, and then found another book that drew it all into perspective for me, \"the 21 lessons of merlin.
I combined my knowledges of other religions with what I read about druidry and found my own middle ground, which is most largely based off of the druidic teachings
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For some reason I can\'t quite put words on, I have the utmost respect for your choice in religion... maybe because it\'s different to christianity and other major religions, and has different, more peaceful, values than other religions...
all in all, I have all the more respect for smaller religions, that are in no way less than the major ones... quite the contrary IMO...
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Wow it sure did get busy here!
I am an atheist, and I agree with Xalthar, tygerwildes choice of religion seems much more in tune with the natural order of things. Xalthar do you think the fact that religions such as Tygers aren\'t out recruiting like mad and accusing everyone else of being morally bankrupt and suggesting that non-believers are going to spend eternity in torture may have something to do with your respect for them? I know that\'s what does it for me. :)
Tygerwylde, I have to agree with George Carlin on this one... He says if you voted for the SOB that made it in, you\'ve no right to complain. :)
m.
(sad because the stress test stole all the crystals)
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lol, carlins a smart man
anyway, sometimes I honestly believe that everyone should be required to read up on a number of religions and pass a competency test before they are allowed to publicly announce their religion, it would open a lot of eyes I think...
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Yeah that is exactly one of the things that make me hate major religions...
People who defend their religions with all their might, and don\'t see that there is anything wrong with their belief... I hate those people, and It seems that I am surrounded by them, they are simply impossible to argue with, because everytime you have a good argument they find something extremely stupid to counter it in the bible... I\'m not giving any examples since I am just too tired to find them...
And I must say again that I have the utmost respect for smaller religions like tyger\'s...
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\"People who defend their religions with all their might\"
hey man, I have to defend my religion every day...
christians just can\'t accept me for who and what I am...
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hmm... what I wanted to say was, people who defend Christianity with all their might, but remembered that I also hear a lot of stupid arguments from Muslims.. so I said religions.. didn\'t mean to pound you by saying so...
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no problem man, I think you mean those with mad-dog faith that they\'re right and everyone else in the world is wrong. those that can\'t force themselves to question what they beleive.
of course a covetous god like the christian god wouldn\'t want his lackeys to question him eh xal? ;)
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Yeah that\'s exactly what I mean :D
nope, that\'s why they established rules that people who question him, burn in hell :P :P
well If hell really exists, which I know it doesn\'t, I\'m guessing that the majority of the human race is going to spend their afterlife there :D :P so, see you there, guys n\' gals :P
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I believe in hell fervently...
hello, welcome to hell, I will be your guide, my name is john...
todays topic is trials and tribulations...
basically, I believe that we\'re living our hell right now, and that once we\'re found worthy, our suffering shall end, and they cycle of rebirth will end, we\'ll be sent to \"heaven\" where we\'ll be rewarded.
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I just believe that when we die, we dissapear... and start over as the occupant of another body... what people call reincarnation...
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that\'s part of what I\'m talking about, we\'re reborn over and over until we finally get this mess of a life right...
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I don\'t believe that the cycle ends... I believe that we will continue to be reincarnated... but who knows, maybe you will be reincarnated as a bug and be splattered over the windshield of a passing car, only to be reincarnated minutes later as a human again...
I really don\'t want to speculate in it, for it is kind of confusing...
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So if you cant remember your last lifes, why should you care how you live your life and what happens to the next you, because its not you, you see?
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exactly... if I went psycho, I wouldn\'t really care about what happens to me, because I would just be reincarnated once dead...
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so basically, you don\'t believe in a heaven or a hell because it gives you a reason not to care about your behaviour in this life?
hehe, with most atheists or agnostics, they show a nobility in their good nature, they have no reason to behave in a good manner, they do it so as not to cause pain on another living being.
oh, and most druids believe that to deserve afterlife, you should not be striving for a life of good, but a life of neutrality between chaos and order
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My opinion is that life is much less complicated then people think. That\'s why I don\'t beleive in Heaven, Hell or reincarnation. I thing most people believe in reincarnation just want it to be real, since they don\'t like the idea of not existing anymore.
You can also think, wheter reincarnation exist or not, when you die you don\'t know anything anymore :)
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The description tyger gave of atheists fits pretty good on me... I have no reason to be good, nor a reason not to... So in a manner of speaking, I am a noble character since I like helping other people... :) I like that...
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well, it\'s true man, you\'re helping people out of desire to do right by them rather than seeking the rewards of heaven. which is truly nobler than a man on his deathbed giving every penny he has to charity in hopes of a higher return in the afterlife
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I\'ve actually never seen the world in that perspective... Gives me yet another reason for being an atheist, although I would never consider starting to worship anything I don\'t believe in..
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well, ultimately the teachings behind druidism come with tolerance, we beleive that no one is wrong in their beliefs, all gods or lack thereof are correct, as it is how the creator shows him or herself to the person, the creator exists or doesn\'t, as you see him/her.
and THAT confuses a lot of people.
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But it makes sense though... It\'s just as impossible to prove or disprove as with the existence of a god..
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heh, well, the thing is, a lot of former atheists who are druids will worship the creator as a nonexistant god. just like a lot of former christians worship him as jehova, and so on.
the creator can be viewed however you feel the most comfortable seeing him/her/it/not.
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In druidism, do you worship the creator? or is it more like a worshipping of nature... like wiccanism? (or whatever it\'s called)
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well, it\'s really hard to describe, we don\'t actually have to worship anything. the creator doesn\'t require it. Some still do however, especially former muslims and christians. I pray to the creator sometimes, but mostly I don\'t bother.
Some druids worship nature itself, as it\'s an icon of neutrality, some things die in order for others to live, it\'s all part of a circle, all that good stuff.
I feel that we need to try to live in balance with nature. Earth only has so many resources. no matter how often christians say that they\'re supplied by god; if we use too much, eventually, we\'ll run out.
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I\'m slightly leaning towards christianism, but mostly I have no clue where to go. There are hundreds of thousands of religions, any of which could be true. There\'s no way to test them, if you die then are permitted to live again and tell your story then people will call you a lunatic. So, I\'ll try to be good to other people and enjoy myself as much as possible. I figure I\'ll sort it out in the end.
Tyger, did you find any religions that actually describe how the universe and why it\'s expanding started while you were looking?
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well, there are are christians who think that all science is part of his greater plan, that the big bang was initiated by him
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Christianism is an old religion. There was no science those days. And the point of a religion is not to teach people science. That\'s why there are lots of christians theese days. The point of a religion is to teach people how to behave, give some basic rules. People can\'t live without rules because we are social beeings.
So one should choose a religion which fits the most of the rules currently followed. That\'s why all religions have sinners. Nobody\'s perfect.
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dude, my man; spellcheck why don\'tcha!!!
and no, christianity is one of the newer religions, being that it\'a less than 2000 years old(you read that right...), most religions are roughly 3 and a half to four thousand years
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First I wanna appolgise for my poor skills in typing/gramar hope you\'ll understand what i\'m trying to say.
Chirtianity is quite old though, 2003 years. And it\'s basis are in judaism whch is even older. Anyway my point is that 2003 yers ago was no real sience and a religion doesn\'t need to teach people sience.
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actually science has been around for a LONG time... the ancient greek have been philosofying for a good many years before christianity..
they discovered a lot of mathematical evidences and physical laws.. so science was around before christ..
And one of the bad things, religions such as christianity adds to our community, is strife and sorrow since its moral codex tends to be rather twisted...
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actually, it\'s less than 2003 years old man, our calendar is based off of christs supposed birth, but it couldn\'t have been 2003 years ago, because he was born during a roman census year, the closest were during modern 8B.C. and 2A.D. however, the cristian faith wasn\'t born until after his death. which is supposedly 38 years later
given these facts, christianity couldn\'t be any older than 1,973 years.
like I said, barring the modern religious groups that believe that aliens are our pimp daddys, christianity is the youngest religion in exsistence
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>>I forget the author, but it was part of the lewellyn collection. in essence it was a textbook that explained the histories of the gaelics, the ways of the celtic shamans, natural order and balance.
History of the Gaels
Druidism is not really a religion as most people see it and what they practicised is long forgotten and can never be returned. We know very little about them and their ways today.
Druids were the wisemen, the teachers and it took years to become one. It was more law then it was religion (Check up Brehon Laws) and under it there were many classes of men including a class which were as good as slaves but the important thing about it was that even though these classes ranged in power, honour was such an important factor in their way of life that no higher class would dishonour themselves by mistreating a lower class and a lower class could call on that to help them against a higher class.
eg > If a man of higher power then you owed you something then you had the right under law to go to his house and starve yourself to death on his doorstep. If you died he was dishonoured.
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Ummm... thanks for that. But this conversation died 2 years ago. You\'re a bit late. :)