PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: lostprophet on June 26, 2003, 05:29:45 pm
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I want to know just a few little things:
-How is the combat going to work? Will it be turn based or just run around hitting the attack button, or will there be combos and special moves available, Tekken style?
-If this game is free, what interest do the team have in it? Or will they be making moolah from advertising? (in-game billboards would be kind of cool).
-Will there be other towns, how many quests will there be and will the current town be expanded?
-Will the current version of Planeshift be updated before the final release or will have to make do with bug-riddled molecular blue until the finished game is done?
If someone could just help me out with these that\'d be great.
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Since the game is a RPG and not a smash \'em up fighting-game like tekken, I doubt the combat will be anything like it..
The developers could answer for themselves, but I have heard a good many time that this game is free and shall remain so... and btw have you seen any commercials on the site or here?? no...
If you read the info on website about the game, you would know if there is going to be more towns.. as to quests, the game is ever evolving, so my guess is that they will be added regularly, or the players could give them to eachother...
The current version of PS is MB the next is Crystal Blue, and asking about the release date is pointless.. this game is ready for release when it\'s ready...
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personally, I\'d like to see some elements of a fighting game implemented into a role player, but not much, enough to put some timing and skill into it. however, this wouldn\'t work well with a MMO because of timing issues, you\'re fight might not syncronise perfectly on your computer with the one that the monster is fighting on the server, which could lead to you dead, it would be great to see a good real time fighter/role play mesh offline though, maybe an altered fighter combat engine. don\'t know, I\'ll stop rambling now
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In Ragnarok online (an extremely limited game) they did have real time fighting. The player had only one move to perform but it seemed to work pretty well, when you weren\'t lagging.
I would like to see something that wouldn\'t just force you into automated fighting. If something could be incorporated, that would be great!
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the problem with non automated real time combat is that when you lag, even just a little bit, you lose the opportunity to defend yourself, which can be devastating to your health, if something could be done about lag, it would be great, but not even high speed internet clears it up completely. My buddies up the street have DSL, and while everything runs better, in some situations, they still sometimes nearly stop altogether, or find themselves far away from where they were intending to go
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I\'m with tyger on this one too.. Lag is simply too much of a problem to have real time combat... I have DSL and it lags sometimes when playing anarchy, and if that lag is in combat and the combat wasn\'t automatic then you could be killed by some of the weakest creatures that only take a bit of concentration to kill... so if Real time combat was ever to be implemented, the lag should be eliminated... and that could prove rather difficult :P
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what your trying to say is the game servers you guys have been playing on are suck. dsl is obviously fast enough for real time combat, some games just dont have very nice servers...
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Yes, DSL is fast enough for it, but what about the people with dial-up modem? Dump them perhaps?
Perhaps I just misunderstood you..
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no it\'s not always a problem of either the server or the computer you\'re using or the connection you have
when you are sending information hundreds of miles through a wire, there are lots of places that a small amount of information can get lost or rerouted, things can disrupt your connection to the server anywhere. lag happens. That\'s all there is to it, and no matter how fast your connection is, you\'re going to suffer it once in a while. Now please, off that DSL high horse of yours and come back to earth.
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I\'m with Tigerwylde... ok, also because I\'m dialup connected to the Internet. :-)
The main problem isn\'t the technology you are using to access the net, but its own structure. Sometimes the information you are sending must pass through a \'bottleneck\' on the net. Result: you are facing a kind of \'traffic jam\'. ;-)
In my opinion, combat engine should be turn based. A suggestion is the following: when one of the characters attacks the other, the game starts turn based mode for these two players only until the combat is finished (or one of them quits or run away). If a third character joins the combat, turn based mode starts to be used to this third one too.
What do you think about it?
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In response to lostprophet\'s 2nd question:
It would be fine if the devs had a contract with i.e. heineken and named some of the in-game beer heineken. ;)
Ofcourse huge billboards wouldn\'t suit this game, but little things like brandnames put in-game would be cool.
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Originally posted by Khutin
In my opinion, combat engine should be turn based. A suggestion is the following: when one of the characters attacks the other, the game starts turn based mode for these two players only until the combat is finished (or one of them quits or run away). If a third character joins the combat, turn based mode starts to be used to this third one too.
You mean like in NWN and Baldurs Gate? That system is called AD&D, or Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. Im not sure, but I think that system is copyrighted, am I wrong?
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Are you talking about turn based combat like Final Fantasy, where each player takes turns to use items, attack or perform other commands. I think this would work, because I can\'t really imagine platform game style runing around clubbing stuff. I still think that a beat-em-up style like tekken would be kind of cool, because it would add a skill element as well rather than the person with the highest stats winning, because it can get annoying when someone becomes unbeatable because they play 16 hours a day. One game which has the worst kind of combat I\'ve ever seen is Runescape. When you start a fight, you don\'t have any input, you can\'t use items and you can use some spells, you just sit there watching them hit each other like robots.
Thanks for the in-game Heineken idea, I like that better than billboards ;)
P.S. the forum puts in that shall not be named stuff due to copyright. I\'m not allowed to say the game I\'m thinking of.
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P.S. the forum puts in that shall not be named stuff due to copyright. I\'m not allowed to say the game I\'m thinking of.
If you are talking about Runesc@ape, then... NO. It isnt due to copyright.
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it\'s because that evil game is the spawn of satan, and all should tremble in it\'s presence out of sheer distaste.
that and it\'s a shame to the entire gaming community
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Risk Your Life is a chinese MMORGP currently in open beta that I believe is the answer some of you are looking for and the game some of you think can\'t be done.
I have not played it but a co-worker has. You most likely will need a broadband connection as that is the only connection that he played it on. We haven\'t tried it on a 56k connection.
Anyways the game is twitch-based. It does however have 2 elements to it. First-person and RPG mode. First person essentially lets you execute moves and attacks on the fly. Enemy coming at you? Then just dodge left or right, swing around and cut his back (or something)
The RPG mode is, I believe, the more traditional turn based method but you may be able to pull real-time moves there as well.
The graphics engine is along the lines of AC2, Lineage MMORPG, and Final Fantasy XI. The look and feel of the game is remeniscent of the Final Fantasy series.
The game is completely in chinese as is the website but there are english speaking players in game who can help.
Here are some links. Again the game is in open Beta.
the registration code is 555-555-5555 or some combination of 10 fives and 2 dashes.
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?s=55e97b13d5b9cbd1d594c9592d39e203&threadid=22542
Some screenshots at the official site:
http://www.gamemyth.com/download/download04.asp
Gameplay movies from the offical site:
http://www.gamemyth.com/download/download03.asp
I have yet to play it myself but I\'ve been told first hand that the game runs very stable and the spell effects outstanding. The kind that are just over-the-top and take up the whole screen like in those console RPGs.
The machine specs that it was played on:
DSL (broadband connection)
IWILL motherboard
Pentium 4
256 RAMBUS RAM
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
40 GB Maxtor ATA 133
Windows XP Pro
Direct X 9.0
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Can you say: Commercial Break?
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I never said it couldn\'t be done, I said it shouldn\'t be done, and it shouldn\'t be...
man, people are still gonna lag die... I know they will. it happens
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i think the talked about fog affect might help, but i rlly dont know a lot about this kinda stuff
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If anyone here has played Silent Hill on Playstation, they used a fog effect in that game to reduce draw distance so they could cram better graphics in without overloading it. Basically, anyone who\'s been to the top of the tower will know that the game runs slow if you can see a lot of the city, or if you can see lots of complex structures, because the computer has to draw so much. If they put fog in, a lot would be obscured so the game would have less to draw, and would run faster.
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that\'s not at all what I\'m talking about tho, I\'m talking about no matter how little drawing has to be done, there will always be lag, little bits of information get delayed or lost all the time. it\'s why I had to download the client five times before I got it to work. it\'s called lag and there\'s no way to fix it for sure.
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For the fighting, couldn\'t we just have an option, iIknow some diehard fps people that have a hard time with the whole \"Im not actually fighting!? 8o X( \" thing.
So for them they can have a manual fighting option.
But for people with a slow connection they should be allowed to set up their account for auto fighting.
and I played ragnarok online (3D world 2D characters) , which i mentioned once before, when i played on dial-up, it actaully ran more smoothly than when i played with my dsl connection, (however, my service stinks with DSL).
I think we should keep all options open.
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I really liked the idea behind the Star Wars Galaxies combat system. It is semi turned based and definitly not switch. But there are lots of abilities and tactics you can use. (Or could they have sort of ruined it now). Things like going prone, or going for a leg shot and getting rid of the action shot.
I don\'t think RPGs should really have twitch, one I doubt a freebie server will be as good as the mega servers they must have at Origin and sony (and there is still plenty of server side lag). And secondly, you stop playing a character in the world if you add twitch. It becomes you in the world (like in CS).
Having LOADS of abilities and tactics I think could be still very fun.