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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: eL_Qadsawi on July 12, 2003, 02:51:38 pm

Title: M OR F ??
Post by: eL_Qadsawi on July 12, 2003, 02:51:38 pm
Well since the forums are getting huge attention . So to know whether we have a strong majority of Male players or do we have a stronger Female exsistance. State your Sex !!

  As for me its M all the way ....  
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Post by: Xalthar on July 12, 2003, 06:45:19 pm
I think we gave that info a while back... can\'t remember what the thread was called... anyhow, I\'m male, as you might have guessed... or not :P
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Post by: Monketh on July 12, 2003, 07:18:33 pm
Male, obviously

This should really be a poll, let\'s go bother the devs about it :P
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Post by: Moogie on July 12, 2003, 07:28:19 pm
Female.
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Post by: Caldazar on July 13, 2003, 01:11:15 pm
There IS a poll about it, in the general forum. Male  :rolleyes:
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Post by: mrsamd on July 15, 2003, 12:23:56 pm
Female
:o)
m.
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Post by: Antity on July 15, 2003, 01:20:46 pm
Male
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Post by: Jedi on July 15, 2003, 04:43:11 pm
Sex is good...:P

I\'m male.
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Post by: Caldazar on July 15, 2003, 07:37:13 pm
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I like the sig bun... Moogie. ;)
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Post by: Riley89 on July 20, 2003, 09:34:10 am
Male.
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Post by: Axsyrus on July 20, 2003, 09:30:04 pm
most people should have this in their profiles

M
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Post by: Kathmor on July 20, 2003, 09:41:34 pm
I\'m  Male.
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Post by: Wolfmane on July 22, 2003, 01:05:36 am
Well both actually  8o

In real, read \"boring\" life I\'m male and straight (no sex-changes or any fun stuff - yet  :P )

In PS I\'ll be Illyria, a Dermorian Female, so watch out you guys if you get the hots for this gorgeous babe, she might be a transvestite!

LOL
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Post by: Kluger on July 22, 2003, 02:33:17 am
Gender M or F?

is that for Male of Female?  or whether you\'re gonna be a Mother or Father?  :-?

I\'m male.  In fact, I\'ve got pictures (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/vanderjagtcomputers/Benjamin_Vander_Jagt.html) to prove it....err, no, that doesn\'t sound right.  I have pictures of myself, and I have a very nice beard, so I\'m clearly a male.  Though I also have long hair, and I *have* been called Maam on the job...

\"I like the sig bun... Moogie.\"

ooh, yer gonna get it!  she\'s not a bunny, she\'s clearly a Tanooki...

\"There IS a poll about it, in the general forum. Male\"

too late!  and I\'m too lazy to look for it...
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Post by: lostprophet on July 22, 2003, 10:42:55 am
Male, packed with testosterone!
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Post by: Fanomatic2000 on July 22, 2003, 01:23:21 pm
*checks* Yup, still male
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Post by: Wolfmane on July 22, 2003, 01:34:15 pm
Feeling a little unsure of our manhood are we lostprophet? :D

At least you havn\'t \"Lost\" anything then yet Fanomatic :P

Still male though Illyria is driving me Schizo ....
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Post by: Tcheel on July 27, 2003, 12:30:40 pm
I\'m a man, even if my character in the game is a female and i\'ve got no trouble whith that
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Post by: Moogie on July 27, 2003, 04:01:37 pm
From what I\'ve heard, seems I\'m the only female character who is actually female in real life.

I\'ve got nothing wrong with guys playing female characters, but... THAT is just scary.
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Post by: Drilixer on July 27, 2003, 05:07:36 pm
hehe - yeah if they implement official marriage in the game there willl alot of accidental gay couples

Edit: ew
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Post by: Kluger on July 27, 2003, 08:32:03 pm
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Originally posted by Mogura
From what I\'ve heard, seems I\'m the only female character who is actually female in real life.

I\'ve got nothing wrong with guys playing female characters, but... THAT is just scary.


If it makes you feel any better, I know of at least three other female chars who are truly female.  (Of course, I also know three female chars who are male, haha)

What\'s really scary is to have a computer geek who is female, Mogura.  ;)  (And now I shall duck to avoid the flying mugs.)

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Originally posted by Drilixer
hehe - yeah if they implement official marriage in the game there willl alot of accidental gay couples


That\'s nothing.  During the brief period I played AD&D: DS: CS on TEN, we had more marriages between same sex characters than opposite sex, and the funny thing is that the couples were of opposite sex in real life.

Trying to find a mate in PlaneShift (and other games of the type) is generally a seriously stupid idea.  :-?  That\'s one of the reasons I made a website that has so much personal description and, hopefully, will have more pictures.  You enter a world where your imagination partly takes over and the game fills in the missing parts, inaccurately of course.  Normally, when you meet someone in real life, the first 120 second form a powerful first impression.  You gather the person\'s voice, facial features, expressions, manner of speaking, general proportions, and even smell. (i.e. Perfume?  Cigarettes?  Gasoline?)  In PlaneShift, there are usually around 20 players online at a time.  You \"meet\" a little dwarf, a hot Enkidukai, a hunk of what looks like rock, or whatever, and you instinctively read that character model.  (How many people do you imagine resemble their PS character or their forum signature?  More than you would logically plan, I can guarantee that.)  Fortunately, after a few minutes you start to distinguish one character from all the rest and develop mental pathways to associate a personality with the character name.  Unfortunately, there are so few people around that after a while you just look for someone who is even the slightest bit compatible....and of the correct gender.

PlaneShift is a great place to find friends, and in this way, it can also be a very good place to find a mate.  A mate ought to be your closest friends and sufficiently compatible to be able to say that the person is your better half; not someone who sticks with you, but someone who is part of you.  In this way, those who are lucky enough to find a mate can be very lucky.  In real life, it\'s not so easy to intimately meet a lot of potential mates at once.  In Planeshift, when you meet someone, all you have to evaluate a person on is his or her dogma.  It\'s possible to very quickly form a deep bond that is difficult to find in real life, where the person with whom you\'re speaking is more likely to lie in order to please you.

Those who are fortunate enough to find someone who shares his/her dogmatic views have a few major obstacles to overcome.  Location and age may be tough but nowhere near as insurmountable as just meeting the person in real life and associating the person you know in Planeshift with this stranger in front of you.  Before meeting, be sure to make a vow to keep at it until it works.  Agree to eachother that what brings you together is already established.  Meeting the person and finding him or her to be totally different from what you expected can not change what it was that drew you to the person in the first place.  I strongly recommend meeting in short bursts.  Don\'t start with letters, then graduate to phone calls, then pictures, then meeting...meet all at once for a short period of time.  (It\'s best to meet the person as much as possible as early as possible, but of course that is rare, since you don\'t know until after talking with someone for a while whether or not you have found a possible partner.)  Meet for a meal at a place where both parties find familiar, like a park that both have frequented.  Then, unless you hit it off incredibly well, you\'ll probably be in a state of shock as your perception adjusts.  Don\'t get discouraged, just give yourself a little time apart to adjust.  Then meet again.  It will be totally different the second time.  :)  If you elected to slowly immerse in eachother, taking the slow introduction route, you\'ll find yourself in a long, painful period in which you don\'t have any time to just sit and chat with your partner.  The interest will be killed, and the true relationship will be forgotten.  If this happens, just look back over old emails and correspondence, and you\'ll remember who you fell in love with.

In the case that you meet the person and he turns out to be she or vice versa, you don\'t have to punch the person in the face, you don\'t have to run away and never speak with the person again, and you don\'t need to change your sexual orientation, but you have the right to throw up...just do so discretely.  ;)  What does it mean?  Does it mean your relationship was a total fraud?  Does it mean you\'re actually gay?  Almost certainly not.  Remember, a mate should be your closest friend and should be compatible (including gender).  This just means that the person is a good friend.  Don\'t feel embarassed, mistakes happen.  It\'s very rare for people who have been chatting to ask, \"Are you a male or female?\"  That not only seems as though it would be rude, it is something that the mind usually determines on its own early on.  The same formula works here: Wait a day or two before talking with eachother.

For the record, the Bible says that crossdressing in order to trick someone (implied as in tricking someone into improper sexual acts, which can be compared to telling a Jew that a hot dog is beef when it\'s pork) is a sin, for a range of understandable reasons.  Of course, you can play a joke on someone, since you have no intention of tricking the person in any harmful or meaningful way.  You can also play the opposite sex in a game, as you\'re simply controlling a gamepiece for all intents and purposes, even if your gamepieces end up getting married, having sex, making babies, and gowing old together, and getting grave plots next to eachother.  In other words, PlaneShift crossdressers, have a blast.

Other people are able to gather enough crystals to buy multiple weapons, so you can, too.  For all those lonely people without weapons, just know that it is possible to find your ball-and-chain or cat-o-nine-tails on PlaneShift! (puns definitely intended)

And as my sig indicates, I\'m available.  :D  (\'course, it\'s probably a little creepy, so I may actually remove it.)

Change one letter:
First impressions are the most impactful.
Fist impressions are the most impactful.
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Post by: Drilixer on July 27, 2003, 08:36:48 pm
that has to be one of the most disturbing posts I\'ve ever read on this forum... finding love through gaming... hehe *shies away uneasily*
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Post by: Kluger on July 27, 2003, 09:47:53 pm
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Originally posted by Drilixer
that has to be one of the most disturbing posts I\'ve ever read on this forum... finding love through gaming... hehe *shies away uneasily*


disturbing, eh?  ummm, thank you?

better than finding game through love.  ;)

personally, I like to distinguish between love and affection.  to love someone means to want good things for that person.  when a seasonsed player helps out a newbie, that\'s true love.  (awww)
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Post by: Drilixer on July 27, 2003, 09:51:26 pm
... look it\'s a game.  I think you are \'looking in all the wrong places\' for a love life.  (notice the word \'life\' and the word which describes it)
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Post by: Kluger on July 27, 2003, 10:50:18 pm
\"... look it\'s a game. I think you are \'looking in all the wrong places\' for a love life. (notice the word \'life\' and the word which describes it)\"

ah but I found friends.  :-)  a couple of whom would not even call it a game but a tech demo...

Leisure Suit Larry I ain\'t.  :D  I\'m lookin\' for an upcoming game in all the right places and looking for love in all places...
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Post by: Moogie on July 28, 2003, 01:45:53 am
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that has to be one of the most disturbing posts I\'ve ever read on this forum... finding love through gaming... hehe *shies away uneasily*



Don\'t be so shallow-minded, Dril. Many hundreds of people find partners online, and I\'m talking about normal people with lives, not computer geeks with no friends.

Me and TJ met and started a relationship two years ago now. We\'ve met many times in real life, dispite the fact that we live half a Britain apart from one another. Infact, next Sunday I\'m off to Kent for another week-long stay.

And you know what?

I would never have found something like this in \'real life\' in the area that I live.

It\'s nothing to do with personality or looks... it\'s to do with circumstance and preference. My circumstance is that I live in an area full of shallow boys who\'s idea of a fun day out is going to the local school and throwing a few bricks through the windows.

My preference is first finding a good friend and developing a bond of friendship before that of love. As it is, I\'m really quite shy in real life. I find it difficult to initiate an intimate relationship face-to-face for fear of rejection or making myself sound silly.

By use of the net I\'ve been able to properly express myself without any of that nervous fumbling. You can take your time to say things, reading what you type before you blurt something out and make a big mistake. There\'s no backspace key in real life, no \'undo\' if you say something wrong. It\'s just like writing letters, except you don\'t have to wait a week for a reply. It\'s like a phone conversation, except it\'s text and not speech.

That\'s not all, these days. You can use a microphone and webcam to prove you\'re not a fat American trucker with ketchup stains down your vest.

I don\'t see why people still think so shallow. It\'s done so much for me I can\'t even begin to express. I would never have found my love if it wasn\'t for the Internet and for that I will jealously defend it\'s capabilities.

...I didn\'t mean to type that much...
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Post by: Kluger on July 28, 2003, 02:42:59 am
Yeah!  Exactly!

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There\'s no backspace key in real life, no \'undo\' if you say something wrong.


It\'s really hard for someone who hasn\'t gotten used to his slight touch of autism, \'cause he can say really extremely stupid things and not realize it for years.  I was at a friend\'s house for dinner (when I was around 10), and I stopped in the middle of the meal, looked at my friend\'s parents, and said, \"You know what?  It\'s hard for me to imagine that these two kids came from you two.\"  Of course, what I meant to convey was that I was, at that moment, filled with happiness and amazement at the growth just a single cell to full adults.  Fortunately, the father said, \"Yes, we have been greatly blessed with the births of these two children.\"

I used to be really shy, too.  I\'m sure nobody wants me to preach about shyness, but I\'ll say that there is a backspace in speaking and that everyone misspeaks and makes themselves look stupid...

I forgot to mention I know of at least one couple on PlaneShift who met in online games...

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My circumstance is that I live in an area full of shallow boys who\'s idea of a fun day out is going to the local school and throwing a few bricks through the windows.


Really?  I grew up in Pasadena, MD, too!  :P

Pink Floyd: \"All in all it\'s just another brick in the school.  Hey, teacher, watch for broken glass.\"

I reiterate how much I agree with Mogura.  Keep in mind that nothing really changes.  the internet and computers have not changed the world.  we don\'t have new abilities, just improvement upon the technology we had before.  communicating over the internet is, in essence, the same as any other form of communication, except that is thinner and travels faster.  some people meet at the movies, some people find blind dates over the telephone or newspaper, some meet at bingo night or during parties, and all those seem pretty similar to PlaneShift.

However, I think Drilixer might mean that the \"love life\" should not be held within the game.  it\'s okay to meet someone in the game, but that shouldn\'t be the finality of it...
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Post by: Xandria on July 29, 2003, 07:31:15 am
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ooh, yer gonna get it!  she\'s not a bunny, she\'s clearly a Tanooki...



What is it about that word that makes it sound so funny? (Although I\'m sure that\'s what that picture is supposed to be)
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Post by: ymrcr on July 29, 2003, 09:30:22 am
Is a Tanooki that thing that Mario turns into in Super M ario 3? In game I am Ilah.  Male
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Post by: Kluger on July 29, 2003, 10:29:06 am
yeah, it\'s Japanese for, um....badger?  I forget...

I think that pic is Moogie for halloween.  :D

yeah, ymrcr, that\'s the guy...
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Post by: Wedge on July 30, 2003, 12:09:22 am
Tanuki translates to Raccoon-Dog, I\'ve seen them in some other Japanese games.  I think Rocky from Pocky and Rocky is one too.
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Post by: Moogie on July 30, 2003, 12:46:48 am
The sig pic was just a random animation I found with Google, I have no idea what it is... but it looks kitty-enough. :)

Mogura translates to \'mole\'... kinda contradicting in nature, arn\'t I? :D
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Post by: Terro on July 30, 2003, 02:26:34 am
male ;)
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Post by: tygerwilde on July 31, 2003, 06:25:42 pm
well, guess my sex... I\'m six and a half feet tall, and I have a goatee.
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Post by: Xalthar on July 31, 2003, 07:24:40 pm
@tyger

ummmm.... dunno :P :P
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Post by: Kluger on July 31, 2003, 10:07:28 pm
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well, guess my sex... I\'m six and a half feet tall, and I have a goatee.


hmm, if you were a goat, then perhaps you\'re the hermaphrodite Mendez.  :D
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Post by: Drilixer on August 03, 2003, 03:44:12 am
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Originally posted by Drilixer
that has to be one of the most disturbing posts I\'ve ever read on this forum... finding love through gaming... hehe *shies away uneasily*



Don\'t be so shallow-minded, Dril. Many hundreds of people find partners online, and I\'m talking about normal people with lives, not computer geeks with no friends.

Me and TJ met and started a relationship two years ago now. We\'ve met many times in real life, dispite the fact that we live half a Britain apart from one another. Infact, next Sunday I\'m off to Kent for another week-long stay.

And you know what?

I would never have found something like this in \'real life\' in the area that I live.

It\'s nothing to do with personality or looks... it\'s to do with circumstance and preference. My circumstance is that I live in an area full of shallow boys who\'s idea of a fun day out is going to the local school and throwing a few bricks through the windows.

My preference is first finding a good friend and developing a bond of friendship before that of love. As it is, I\'m really quite shy in real life. I find it difficult to initiate an intimate relationship face-to-face for fear of rejection or making myself sound silly.

By use of the net I\'ve been able to properly express myself without any of that nervous fumbling. You can take your time to say things, reading what you type before you blurt something out and make a big mistake. There\'s no backspace key in real life, no \'undo\' if you say something wrong. It\'s just like writing letters, except you don\'t have to wait a week for a reply. It\'s like a phone conversation, except it\'s text and not speech.

That\'s not all, these days. You can use a microphone and webcam to prove you\'re not a fat American trucker with ketchup stains down your vest.

I don\'t see why people still think so shallow. It\'s done so much for me I can\'t even begin to express. I would never have found my love if it wasn\'t for the Internet and for that I will jealously defend it\'s capabilities.

...I didn\'t mean to type that much...


hehe, sorry you have such a hard time in real life Moogie - if you ever come to the US (particularly the South) let me know - I would be glad to show you around - and I don\'t enjoy throwing bricks through windows :P  (Brits *sigh*)  Just a shy endurance athlete (criterium racer and runner), who likes role playing games :)

*darnit I\'m already destroying my meeting people on the net theorum*
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Post by: Kluger on August 03, 2003, 04:06:43 am
\"and I don\'t enjoy throwing bricks through windows  (Brits *sigh*)\"

huhhuh, throwing brits through windows..

I like throwing Lin-icks through Windows...
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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 02:35:56 am
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I like throwing Lin-icks through Windows...


didn\'t get that one
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Post by: Kluger on August 04, 2003, 07:24:03 am
Linux.  :-?
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Post by: Draklar on August 04, 2003, 08:57:54 am
I\'m PS proud male enkidukai :D
and... male in rl too
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Post by: Drilixer on August 05, 2003, 05:37:46 am
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Linux.  :-?


damn I should have gotten that one too.
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Post by: Kluger on August 05, 2003, 06:12:25 am
new challenge...  Linus Torvalds aside, Linux penguin: M or F?

(actually, there is a right answer to this one.  I\'ll hafta look it up to figure it out, tho.)
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Post by: zaphar on August 05, 2003, 06:13:25 am
Tux is a male penguin I believe.
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Post by: Kluger on August 05, 2003, 06:17:17 am
holy cow that was fast!

(oh, here\'s a bigger riddle...why would Linus Torvalds use GIF files on his homepage?)

what I\'m currently looking for is the story of the penguin that bit him...

(Edit: Alright, I\'ve been looking, and I think the story I read that determined the gender of the penguin was made up, since Linus himself didn\'t state the gender.  Penguins being family-birds (i.e., mates are more like husband and wife than \"animal mates\" ), it could easily have been a defensive move from either.  Oh well...guess we\'ll call him neuter....though Linus works for Transmeta.)

(Edit 2: Hmm, why does a quotation mark next to a paranthesis make a smily icon?  ->  \")
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Post by: zaphar on August 05, 2003, 05:13:06 pm
Kluger, The linux mascot was originally drawn by tigerr, I believe, (sorry can\'t remember his real name off the top of my head) and popular opinion renders him as a male penguin. Most of the times he pops up it is in a male persona. Take the game tuxedo t. penguin, tux racer, and so on.

I\'m not sure about the story you referred to.
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Post by: theonlyjimbob on August 05, 2003, 06:36:48 pm
Male.

It is kind of amazing how much popularity this post has considering the fact that it all started with a simple question: are you male or female?

By the way here in Canada hermaphrodites are relatively rare are tranvestites a bit less rare.

Anywho see you next time,
  Thomas
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Post by: Kluger on August 05, 2003, 07:00:28 pm
\"By the way here in Canada hermaphrodites are relatively rare are tranvestites a bit less rare.\"  -  Yeah, I know!  What the heck is going on here in the US??

\"Kluger, The linux mascot was originally drawn by tigerr, I believe, (sorry can\'t remember his real name off the top of my head) and popular opinion renders him as a male penguin. Most of the times he pops up it is in a male persona. Take the game tuxedo t. penguin, tux racer, and so on.\"  -  Well, I know Linus has his own rendition.  I don\'t know who first made it, but in the GPL Art world, Linus\' looks like it\'s the most commonly used.

\"I\'m not sure about the story you referred to.\"  -  Here\'s the story as it\'s most often described

The logo of Linux is a penguin. Unlike other commercial products of computer operating systems, Linux doesn\'t have a formidable serious looking symbol. Rather Tux, as the penguin is lovingly called, symbolizes the care-free attitude of the total movement. This cute logo has a very interesting history. As put forward by Linus, initially no logo was selected for Linux. Once Linus went to the southern hemisphere on a vacation. There he encountered a penguin, not unlike the current logo of Linux. As he tried to pat it, the penguin bit his hand. This amusing incident led to the selection of a penguin as the logo of Linux sometime later.

I had read it with a specific gender before, but now I think that that story was made up...
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Post by: tygerwilde on August 05, 2003, 07:11:46 pm
looks down at chest, and beneath scrotum for any signs of feminine parts...*

nope, no hidden twat here... no luck guys. you\'ll have to get your entertainment from someone else...
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Post by: Kluger on August 05, 2003, 07:24:15 pm
Hmm, not sure if I ought to reply, but...

Nearly all hermaphrodites are sterile, and the most common reason is totally re-absorbed, um, male unmentionables.

Perhaps I shouldn\'t have posted this, since I know at least a few people here aren\'t exactly, err, mature enough.  :rolleyes:  Then again, perhaps it\'s just too gross...
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Post by: Drilixer on August 05, 2003, 08:57:31 pm
that would suck...
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Post by: Xalthar on August 09, 2003, 12:11:51 am
hmmm... I must admit that this thread has turned into a perfectly grotesque discussion :P couldn\'t help but stating my oppinion....
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Post by: Hivardi on October 19, 2003, 08:58:20 am
I am one of the proud, the few, the females (both ig and rl)
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Post by: Nikech on October 19, 2003, 09:04:38 am
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Post by: Subbie on October 19, 2003, 09:27:46 am
Hi there, I\'m Subbie and brandnew in the game :)

- I\'m also female both real life and in game.

- I\'m not available ;) My partner in game is my partner in real life. We found each other in a chat and we are very lucky about it.

- (I\'d be too old for the most of you anyway ;))

- I\'m german

AND

- I\'d like to have an avatar :(
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Post by: Caldazar on October 19, 2003, 10:47:45 am
Hi there Subbie, good to see more females here ;)
btw, only devs and moderators can have an avatar.
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Post by: Nairan on October 19, 2003, 11:10:04 am
lass dir gratulieren

and btw welcome to the nice community *G*
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Post by: dorbian on October 19, 2003, 12:41:45 pm
welcome and i\'m female in game and male in RL ( just went to the toilet to check it and it was still hanging ( barrily ))
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Post by: Isgrimnur on October 19, 2003, 05:50:10 pm
I cant really believe that Ive missed this thread up untill now. Anyway I\'m pretty sure that Im male.

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I live in an area full of shallow boys who\'s idea of a fun day out is going to the local school and throwing a few bricks through the windows.


Hmm half way across Britain from Kent and live in an area where there\'s lots of \"rude boys\" who think a good time is smashing windows with bricks!! You dont live somewhere near me do you Moogie
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Post by: seperot on October 19, 2003, 09:48:24 pm
bah! im glad im away from both of ye.....then again its most likely better than a strange age gap in my area with under tens to over 50 and very little in between :(

them acursed grannys they be the death of us all i tell ye

only place in uk i know thats worse is tamworth its both at once >.<
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Post by: Isgrimnur on October 19, 2003, 09:56:46 pm
Where you from then Seperot??
I\'m from Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts

As for Grannys, them and Grandad\'s are worst behind the wheel (well the ones I\'ve seen have been)
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Post by: seperot on October 19, 2003, 10:27:57 pm
Lichfield, a real crap city it shouldbe a town but casue of that dammed cathidral its a city so we get tourists as well

and the grannys **shudders**  you cant go into a food store  without one of them dammed oap driver things knocking you down
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Post by: Xalthar on October 19, 2003, 10:54:53 pm
lol :D

If you take a radius of 50 square meters from my house, and start listing all the people over 70 in that circle, I can tell you that you\'ll be up the next 70 days counting :P:P

And, yarrr, them grannies will one day be the death of us young ppl :P:P
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Post by: SkwirlDude on October 20, 2003, 01:52:35 am
*shudders after reading through entire thread*

Anyways, incase some of you chicks are wondering, i am a guy. and i dont plan on puting in a dumb thing about checking.