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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Annah on July 22, 2003, 01:23:22 pm
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First of all I want to say this is not official.
I must say that if COL continues to talk like that with any member of the Black Order guild ... they will sure have much to suffer.
... they will be wrote on our enemies list.
And for sure that they don\'t want 4 guilds on their heads ...
THIS IS THE LAST WARNING !!!
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Stefan \"Annah\" Antonio
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Strictly Games
Game Designer & Public Relations Leader
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www.mortik.com
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Ok 1st of all you started this whole fiasco by waltzing into irc and saying you were going to vanquish all the new guilds.We told you we were not going to be vanquished as we are a strong guild.You proceeded to berate all the new guilds which didnt go over with anyone since your guild may be old but hasnt been active in at least 3 months.I dont care if you are working on a game.You have no right threatening ANY guild that you will destroy them since you havent stayed current with PS development ingame and paid attention to what all of these \"new\" guilds are accomplishing. Your threat is idle to us as we havent seen or heard from ANY of the 4 guilds mentioned in 3 months and you have no power to back up your statement. As we are tired of listening to your mindless and empty threats we dont care if we are on your enemies list.We tried everything to avoid it but you didnt want to listen and you pretty much pissed us all off.If we are on your list then so be it. We will NOT go away or be vanquished by you and that is it.
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LOL @ Annah, did you really have to take these idle threads to the forums?
You were every single time the one who started the debate, so don\'t start that \'if COL continues to talk like that\', and I have the logs to back up my statement.
And you\'re damn right that it\'s not official, since Atticus is your leader, and he isn\'t the one picking a fight all the time.
*cough*hot air*cough*
p.s. If you weren\'t so down-right annoying, your stubborness would be very entertaining.
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All I have to say is this:
By Annah posting this thread this situation has grown annoying and out of control. I would request the COL to ignore Annah anyway possible since he doesnt speak fully for my clan. That is my job!
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Atticus, though I respect your decision I do not think you should be so harsh on Annah as he is just trying to defend your guild.
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Leaders sometime have to be harsh to show their fellow members what their role is and what power they don\'t have. But to reply about Annah\'s defense of my guild, I thank Annah for defending the BO in everyway he can. It shows the dedication for the guild that he created. Eventhough he defended the clan, it is a defense that will not hold up.
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i would also agree with _Atticus
but would like to add that COL has spammed LW forums to make it totally intolerable and this HAS GONE WAY TO FAR
LW has done some things in the past
but that was way back
and messing up a whole forum is just going to far
and BO why dont you stand up for youself COL are just a bunch of jacks that want to start trouble anyway
plus right now noone can hold anything up till the fighting starts
so why do all this now COL its just bull dookey
[edited by katerin]
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Why because we are tired of seeing your guild stealing other guilds ideas...Circle of Warriors? WTF is that but a clone..Legend as a top rank? Also someone elses idea..Sections? well lets see mines been set up since march...home page of PS shows blatently a cheater in your guild that used 3 characters that won the quest...let me see again Circle of Warriors..COL Knights..Arcane Order? Col mages clone..Shadow Assasins? let me see well a)COL tactical forces and b) a name of a guild by one of your leaders other character..which never logs on to release its members I may point out.STOP STEALING other guilds ideas..come up with your own and STOP breaking rules.Oh and whats with those wallpapaers that have stolen copyrighted material on it..and depicting that PS has dragons and all theat ingame..the constant misleading of players and the ALL OUT LIES to your guild members..LW is disgraceful and tarnishes all that has been and will be built on in the PS realm.You guys are lookin to get a lawsuit from those copyrighted companies and you are gonna drag PS down with you.All we have done is sent all your mewmbers the proof we found about the disgrace that we have seen.If i were you i would SERIOUSLY reconsider you actions before certain people get you all banned if not sued.
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Damn sounds like LW stands for losers and whiners.
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oh and BTW BO and us have resolved our issues..don\'t drag them into this.
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OK, I was just playing around anyway.
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LOL no i meant that LW needs not drag you guys into our dispute and that they have no need to insult you about BO and COL issues that have been resolved :)
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Damn I R stupid.
You probably won\'t have to worry about that.
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Well I\'m not privy to all the inside fighting and so forth but judging from this thread Annah seems to be a pain in the nether region, Atticus shows leadership and a sense of humor.
Sabre wouldn\'t it be nice if COL can settle things with LW like you did with BO?
I\'m just trying to figure out what is going on between the guilds as we are putting the finishing touches on a comparative guild survey and all of guilds involved in this little mudslinging excercise will be covered there.
Very entertaining but confusing none the less. :P
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... COL Message from Bonez, sent on 22.07.2003, 20:45 to Annah
i support u and i would like to ally with u COL has shown me nothing but dis-respect therefore you have the Legendary Warriors as allys.
You have my sword,
signed Enraged
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First of all ... I talked with Sabrewulf and the problem between me and them was solved. I hope we will remain friends ...
Second ... I don\'t want to drag Black Order in a little war between COL and Legendary Warriors ... k?
If you consider us allies ... very good. In our guild we vote for an alliance and for what I know .. you aren\'t in our plans. We have our allies ([Azure Order - I can tell you that they are alive .. whitti and binary are working at mortik ... with me ... hehe - Dark Empire and Hellsing ... if my old friend Alucard will come back).
I think this is all ...
BTW ... welcome in Black Order its newest member ...
LINK (yea ... the old one ... link the viking)
ByeZ.
Hehe ... I almost forgot ... Wolfmane WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE ... if you don\'t know me search some info about who I AM!
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Stefan \"Annah\" Antonio
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Strictly Games
Game Designer & Public Relations Leader
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http://www.mortik.com
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Originally posted by Annah
search some info about who I AM!
It seems that you consider yourself as a very important person, don\'t you? ;)
Btw, i don\'t understand why this post is in the forum. If you have a problem with a guild, pm and don\'t spam!
(But as you are a very important person, nothing less than a god perhaps, Annah, don\'t pay attention to me, i am just a little player :D )
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Ok, i would like to add my part here...
Enraged is a disgrace. He joined COL, saw our ideas, and stole them as his own. When other people use their minds to think of an origional idea, it should be theirs to keep, unless they tell somebody else. What enraged did was joined COL, saw some of our ideas, stayed for a short time, and then left with a crappy excuse taking our ideas with him. Anybody that defends this sort of action is not worthy of respect.
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I agree, stealing ideas from other guilds are not very good, although, I would like to see some evidence before I accuse another guild of this. And, posting in another guilds forum saying \"u r teh suxx0rz\" doesnt fill me with respect for the said poster.
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acutally i had a rogues and magic section in my guild, which was created by a member of my guild cuz he also wanted to lead something. then i saw u guys and decided to expand. i dont think thats a crime.
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Originally posted by Annah
Hehe ... I almost forgot ... Wolfmane WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE ... if you don\'t know me search some info about who I AM!
If you were joking, I missed the witt, if you were trying to be serious, pull rank (BTW-status and blue stars) or trying to impress me, then this is my response:
\"Language\" ...
I suppose you refer to
1) \"mudslinging\"
2) \"Annah seems to be a pain in the nether region\"
Well I call a spade a spade based on my observation in this thread.
\"WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE\" - Shouting are we? Not too cool to lose one\'s cool is it?
\"I AM!\" - again ...
Well consider this: \"Me thinks the Lady doth protest too much ...\" Shakespeare.
BTW you do not interest me enough to want to do any search.
Regards
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PokannickNow, couldn\'t have said it better myself, way to go!
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Enraged is a disgrace. He joined COL, saw our ideas, and stole them as his own. - By Bushie
I don\'t know the background to this well enough but my observations are:
1) Coming up with an idea doesn\'t exactly give one copyright on it. Especially not if the idea is amended somewhat.
2) But if it was a direct copy then it shows lack of initiative at the least and lack of character at worst.
From what I\'ve heard and read later Enraged has done far worse though - fake members of guild as well as keeping inactive members on members list?
Bonez, want to reply to that? Don\'t want to judge someone\'s character on hear-say and/or only one side of the story. In cases like this I try to remember:
\"There are 3 sides to any story - you\'re side, my side and the truth 8)
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Edited out in the spirit of reconciliation.
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Originally posted by master
but would like to add that COL has spammed LW forums to make it totally intolerable and this HAS GONE WAY TO FAR
I would like to see proof of these allegations. Also, please PM me the spammer\'s IP so I can check if she/he was a COL member (except if she/he was using a proxy server).
I agree that spamming forums in intolerable, and if a COL member is responsible for this, she/he will be in big trouble.
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Originally posted by Wolfmane
Enraged is a disgrace. He joined COL, saw our ideas, and stole them as his own. - By Bushie
I don\'t know the background to this well enough but my observations are:
1) Coming up with an idea doesn\'t exactly give one copyright on it. Especially not if the idea is amended somewhat.
2) But if it was a direct copy then it shows lack of initiative at the least and lack of character at worst.
From what I\'ve heard and read later Enraged has done far worse though - fake members of guild as well as keeping inactive members on members list?
Bonez, want to reply to that? Don\'t want to judge someone\'s character on hear-say and/or only one side of the story. In cases like this I try to remember:
\"There are 3 sides to any story - you\'re side, my side and the truth 8)
Well if u really want to know the truth ask druke he was in the guild a long time ago before i ever had anything to do with col. I had 2 sections the rogues mages and the thieves. I saw col had more so i thought it might be a good idea to also add more so different styles can join the game.
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Ehm, Bonez, are you Enraged?
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I am Dameon, second in command of COL.
One of the members confessed to certain members of his guild. That member also metioned that he was attacked 7 times by a backdoor/subSeven Trojan virus shortly after the spamming attack. May I remind any member from LW that might have done it (and we think we have a good Idea who it is) that this act was illegal.
What the COL member did was stupid and should not have been done, but what was done was illegal. We have kept a record of every proxy that was sent. If any more attacks occur, charges will be pressed.
If it was not a member of LW, then I apologize.
On a side note, none of the attacks passed the members firewall.
Dameon
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In response to Wolfmane\'s post, yes Annah does speak the truth. The guild has been started over, but it\'s more like an update. We previously claimed of having around 50 members, but in actuallity only having 10 active members. Since then it has increased to about 16 now.We have a new site and Annah has reformed himself to his old ways. This means Annah won\'t be pugnisitc and start being nice to others now. Proof of that is Annah settling this matter between the COL and the BO which I\'m very glad to see. I am also glad that the LW and COL are starting to work together to find the origin of trouble of their situation. I hope you find the troublemaker and put his head on a stick! :D
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Thanks for your post Atticus. There is no doubt in my mind that you have exceptional leadership qualities and are not afraid to act when necessary. As I\'m sure you know me and Annah have settled our differences and misunderstandings (I have apologised for my unacceptable attack on his language usage) and will try to build at least a neutral mutual respect relationship. More proof of the new Annah as you mention.
Furthermore, BO set\'s a great example in showing integrity by not claiming inactive members as members.
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Just as an interested player i would like to say that this guild \'bickering\' seems particualrly childish and i have a very strong opinion that this is not the place for it. It is also disturbing that people are doing such things to each other\'s guilds.
Is Planeshift a place where no one can get along as a group?
Is no one honest?
NOTE: This is seriously generalising and I only am saying this for the sake of the thread.
I want to know why this is happening. It is just not suitable and HAS to be done away with. The Legendary Warriors seem to have ripped off other guilds and in my view sufficient evidence is yet to arise to put the COL guild in such a place to be accused.
I cannot understand why people even want to think of ripping other guilds off. If you cannot think up your own idea then get lost. Im sure no one else here wants you either as you could be a potential threat to guilds all over. Whats more stuff like this ruins reputations that players have been working so hard to achieve. I hope and pray that whoever is behind these \'extremities\' is caught and justly dealt with.
Petty accusations should not be thrown around here but else where. Evidence of the others people involved should be put here for others to analyse.
NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO INTERRUPT WITH AND/OR STEAL GUILDS IDEAS AND SPAM THEIR FORUMS. UNLIKE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THIS THE CREATORS OF THE WEBSITES HAVE BRAINS AND CAN THINK RATIONALLY AND ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT IS GOOD. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO RIP THEM OFF!
Thank you.
PS. i think in my own opinion from ingame and here in the forums that Enraged is a little kid that knows nothing and has gotten in over his head by insulting other guilds. How he got allies is beyond me...thats if he even has them...
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Hiya ...
I want to say that your post is ... how can I say ... not in the right place. Please watch our posts more. If you do this ... you will see that the problems between COL and Legendary Warriors is almost solved.
Anyway ... I appreciate your words ... about those who can\'t find a guild name ... to leave - it\'s a wise idea.
BTW ... want to join a guild ? ... hehe ...
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Needle: Who do you think you are? These people are trying to solve their problems and in comes a nosey neighbour stirring trouble.
Yours was a highly biased and flaming post... just leave them to settle their own disputes.
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WHAT??!! that\'s ridiculous - don\'t yal understand that Needle\'s comments are the first sane things that have been said in this whole thread? Are you people so consumed by your guilds that you can\'t recognize when enough is enough? Do you really believe that your out of game guild setup matters in game? So what there are some 30+ mages guilds... it\'s not an original idea but that\'s the way people seem to want to group and there is no reason to stop or hinder them. As for the trojan virsuses... did you people not get enough kicks in high school or something? That\'s just lame.
As for Needle - you are shining beacon of common sense. ROFL
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For once I agree with Drilixer.
Originally posted by Mogura
just leave them to settle their own disputes.
It is not nosey for someone to post their opinion when others spam on a PUBLIC FORUM with their problems. Other guild posts are being ignored because the others continue to spam about everything that is happening, when no one cares besides the guild members. This is what PMs/Emails are for people...a lot of problems could have been avoided then.
And virus\'s are VERY lame
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Sorry moogie, but I believe you are wrong this time. And I have to agree with Drilixer and Kiern.
It is not nosey for someone to post their opinion when others spam on a PUBLIC FORUM with their problems.
If you hang out your dirty laundry in public, expect the neighbours to notice and don\'t complain if they comment on it. In fact all Needle is saying (paraphrased) is: Don\'t hang your dirty laundry in our faces.
I agree with that.
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Thank you everyone who supports and shares my views (personally I thought no one cared). Guild fighting has gone on long enough and I am most happy that you have solved your problems and can get on with one another - perhaps you could even be allies!
The virus thing is just stupid. If the anyone knows who this person is I would like to see them own up or what ever and let the guild leader decide on their punishment (most likely kicked from guild) ...that is, of course, that it is a guild leader....
I am sorry to who ever I may have offended but when I heard of this I was disgusted and I guess I got a bit angry that guilds in a game that is still under construction are resorting to such drastic and wholly despicable \'tactics\'. I mean to say, why so uptight when the guild and everything will be wiped - it is just game!
Once again sorry to those offended and good luck to all guilds. I sincerely hope that everyone does solve their differences and no more problems such as this one arise.
To finish on one last note, I have viewed alot of guild pages and can say that the Fallen Angels guild is one that is good if you want a guild with no specific specifications. If I see any more or have seriously missed one that deserves to be mentioned please post it! Also to all guild page designers: the pages are looking great - keep up the good work!
The Fallen Angels guild page is:
http://www.fallenangelsguild.tk
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I\'ve kept silent upto this point but I think nows a good time to speak.
The current guild disputes are only natural with the current state of the game ie. everyone wanting to make there mark early. Because of this we\'ve got a large number of guilds with more turning up all the time with no way to release there tensions in-game. This is allowing it to overflow onto the forums and in one case RL.
When combat and guild wars are incorporated into the game I think well see that a lot of the guilds will be destroyed whilst a smaller numer of large guilds will emerge.
Everyone must make every effort to control there disputes or at least keep them in-game as much as is currently possible untill there is a mechanism with which to release the tensions.
PS The Trojan attack was disgraceful as I think we all agree. The \"criminal should be ejected from the game or at least severly punished
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Heya guys ...
I think you should check my new post ... \"Black Order ...\" - is for everyone. :)
Farewell ...
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i had nothing to do with any \"virus\" even if there was one. It could have been a plee for sympathy, but i wouldnt do anything like that EVER. anyways this isnt even a complete game and we are already fighting. Im not sure if guilds were a good idea so early ingame. Im putting my foot down right here right now. I will not tolerate anyone accusing me of lies again since as ive said before im not the one lieing they are. So its over done with lets put it behind us and move forward.
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Monk\'s proposed treaty:
Mutual Non-Agression Pact
The Members of the Circle of Legends and the Legendary Warriors hereby agree not to provoke, harass, discriminate against, spam, attack the computers of, or tarnish the reputations of each other through falsehood from this point on.
-__________LW Leader
-__________COL Leader
-__________COL Leader
-Monketh___LW Member
-__________COL Member
-__________Neutral Bystander
-Monk
[edit: very funny general >: ( , this is actually kind of serious you know]
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I\'ll sign, I\'ll sign the petition to be a moron. :D
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I agree, but you will need to add another COL Leader... there are 2, Me and Sabrewulf.