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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Drilixer on July 22, 2003, 09:44:23 pm

Title: Yliakum confusion...
Post by: Drilixer on July 22, 2003, 09:44:23 pm

Many people are confused as to what Yliakum is... I looked it up in the overview to make sure I had it straight... and I\'m afraid that now I have found the problem.

This quote is from the overview pasge on the planeshift website: \"Yliakum is an underground city. The inhabitants, a mixture of different races, also call it the \"City of the Azure Sun\", referring to the huge crystal that gives the city its light and supplies the land with life-giving energy. Yliakum is located thousands of meters under the surface inside a huge excavated stalactite, hanging inside a cave so huge that it could contain any kingdom of the surface. For this reason IT is structured in grades...\"

This quote, I believe is the source of the confusion... it refers to Yliakum as a city at the beggining and then by the end Yliakum is made out of layers... making it the entire inside of the stalagmite...  But then that idea is disputed in this quote from the History section: \"But Laanx and Talad were young and they didn\'t ask any other details on that as they were blinded by the possibility of creating a new world. Therefore, they used their powers to enlarge the niche and they obtained the huge cave made by eight levels.\"

Obviously the \'new world\' = \'the eight levels\' and therefore = Yliakum...

So I think the idea that Yliakum is a city is just where the Italien devs who made the site had some minor problems with translation... what they meant to say (I guess) is that Yliakum IS the world inside the stalagmite where the player races reside... although nothing says that it excludes the Stone Labyrinths.


-> looking at this from another angle though in which the word city was meant -> Yliakum might just be the capital of our stalagmite that hasnt been implemented yet :P

EDIT: Dev word on this issue would be appreciated - if this is a city a forum to discuss it would be nice like the \'Tree Castle\' Forum

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Post by: Shinji on July 22, 2003, 10:07:14 pm

After reading this post I\'ve become more confused than ever.. So what I gather is Yliakum is a huge stalagmite underground and is composed of layers? Must be a very big stalagmite..

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Post by: Kiern on July 22, 2003, 10:18:22 pm

Yliakum is the world of PS

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Post by: Caldazar on July 22, 2003, 10:30:26 pm

Then what is the name of the city that we play in right now? Yliakum aswell?

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Post by: Ravencrowe on July 22, 2003, 10:42:00 pm

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Originally posted by Caldazar
Then what is the name of the city that we play in right now? Yliakum aswell?

The city we play in right now is called Hydlaa.

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Post by: Shinji on July 22, 2003, 10:45:48 pm

So, if Yliakum is a stalagmite underground then could it also be said that there are other worlds? (Not that the team wants to even think of making more worlds for Planeshift)

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Post by: Drilixer on July 22, 2003, 10:48:34 pm

welll... when was the last time you saw a cave with ONE stalagmite! - although when was the last time you saw a radioactive crystal that hovers and disassociates mater?

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Post by: Moogie on July 22, 2003, 10:50:21 pm

Drilixer: In this (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=4825&boardid=11&styleid=3) topic, you said that my comment was off topic... I don\'t agree, but I will respect your request and reply here instead.

The person there said his city should be at least four times the size of Yliakum, but as we\'ve acertained on this thread that Yliakum is infact the world of PlaneShift, he is obviously mistaken in his geography. I didn\'t feel it was off-topic for the thread to mention that ever-so-slight fault in his otherwise nicely thought out city. :)

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Post by: Drilixer on July 22, 2003, 10:52:27 pm

hehe - sorry Mogura I meant to say \'slightly\' but thanks for bringing up the point anyways because otherwise it wouldn\'t have been something to dicuss :D

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Post by: Skain on July 22, 2003, 11:07:32 pm

A city really is a huge place, I live in Sheffield in the UK and thinking logically about it theres no mmorpg world ive played thats even really as big as that.
So I suppose that it could very well be described as a city.
Hydlaa is no bigger than my old housing estate. :/

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Post by: Shinji on July 22, 2003, 11:31:15 pm

I was thinking.. maybe the stalagmite is not actually huge.. but in fact, the characters/cities/lands are super duper small! Yeah! I\'m gonna go get a stalagmitetite and see if there are little dwarves running around picking up crystals and diamonds that appear on the ground!!

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Post by: Drilixer on July 23, 2003, 01:03:58 am

Shinji if you find any mail me a couple!!  I would love a pet bite sized dwarfling to play with :)  Give him a little axe... some tiny tin foil armor... put him in a lego maze... and lock a rat in the other end... OH! I mean I\'ll love him and hug him and...

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Post by: Muzzle on August 03, 2003, 07:20:06 am

First off, there\'s no reason that \"Yliakum\" can\'t refer to both the entire world and a city within it.  Mexico, Panama, Guatemala, and the US states of New York and Oklahoma all have major cities of the same name, and the residents seem to deal with it just fine.  Of course, I don\'t know if this is really what the devs intend (the whole overview is sort of unclear), but it isn\'t unthinkable.  Would be nice to have some clarification from the admins.

Second, from the overview (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html), \"...the stalactite belief is only theory devised by some Xacha scientists and has not been proven yet\".  (Near the bottom, under the \"Waste\" heading)  What to make of this?  Are the devs leaving themselves an out if they decide the stalactite idea is silly or if they need more room to expand the world later?  (Personally, I think the idea of an entirely underground world with levels and huge caverns is really, really cool, but the stalactite thing seems a little silly.  But that\'s really neither here nor there.)

Finally, Skain: in medieval terms, a large city was only a few tens of thousand people.  One assumes that all the players and visible NPCs make up only a fraction of the world\'s total population.  I would hope that in the final world, the major cities are considerably larger than Hydlaa, but they don\'t need to rival Tokyo to be realistic cities.

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Post by: Drilixer on August 03, 2003, 07:36:43 pm

I still think calling a city and the stalagmite the same thing is just poor - but then again I\'m confused - where is this city we are talking about?

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Post by: Caldazar on August 03, 2003, 07:40:57 pm

...the one in MB?

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Post by: Drilixer on August 03, 2003, 09:00:53 pm

no that\'s Hydlaa - there is apparently one named Yliakum.. or maybe there isn\'t we arnt sure really - the history/setting section of the website causes confusion there

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Post by: Kiern on August 03, 2003, 09:53:14 pm

Yliakum is NOT a city, at least at the moment, if they are planning to make one later with the same name as the world I don\'t know.  But currently it is not.  Hydlaa, so far, is the only city.

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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 04:33:46 am

Except for Waterdeep! :D j/k, Actually I wonder how many cities and how much room there will be in Yliakum/\"the stalagtite\".  And isn\'t the race of men Ylians?  What\'s up with that?

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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 05:18:48 am

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And isn\'t the race of men Ylians?  What\'s up with that?

yeah, one of Planeshift\'s week points right now in it\'s goal of originality are the elf, dwarf, and obviously human races... something not to humanoid would be nice, haha

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Post by: Kiva on August 04, 2003, 04:08:19 pm

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So, if Yliakum is a stalagmite underground then could it also be said that there are other worlds?

Well, there is the \"above-the-ground\" world as well... That\'s where the Enkidukai come from. :) But I believe that this Outside World isn\'t to be implemented into PS until after the stalagmite world (Yliakum) has been made properly.

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Post by: Drilixer on August 05, 2003, 01:43:05 am

I don\'t really care about the outside world - I\'d rather see more worlds be added in the form of other stalagmites.  When was the last time you saw a cave with only one stalagmite ;)

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Post by: Kiva on August 05, 2003, 03:35:21 pm

Suppose it was... Err... A few years ago, you know, when I saw the PS cave for the first time. :D

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Post by: theonlyjimbob on August 05, 2003, 03:46:21 pm

Maybe instead of adding stalagtites they should add the worlds through the cave ceiling and walls thus promoting more worlds and bigger game. But then again that\'s just an idea.
  Thomas

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Post by: Zephyrus on August 22, 2003, 01:38:54 pm

Its pointing down, hanging from the ceiling. Its a conical hanging pillar in a limestone cave that has gradually built up as a deposit from ground water seeping through the cave?s roof. So its a stalagtite, not a stalagmite, a stalagmite comes up from the floor. Just correcting you for no apparant reason Drix. Boy, that was pedantic...

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Post by: Isgrimnur on August 22, 2003, 03:37:19 pm

*Warning long post*

From reading the history I have quickly compiled the following thoughts I have with the world of PS and some quotes which best describe the world.

The three areas of the world:

1)Yliakum: The world created inside the Stalagtite that hangs in the cave of Kadaikos (See below) and is also the base of the azure sun (crystal obelisk). In its centre is the cave containing the capital city of Hydlaa and the rest of the Stalagtite is made up of 8 levels.
 
2)Kadaikos: The Cave where the original peoples of Laanx lived, contains a sea created by the running water dripping from the Stalagtite that is Yliakum which hangs from the centre of the cave and the ten towns of Kadaikos. Now taken over by the black flame.

3)Stone Labyrinths: Tunnels connecting the surface with Yliakum and Kadaikos and containing the portals to the lands of the other races.

Quotes:

(Epoch 1)
Talaad and Laanx explore
\"Together, they explored the depths of the planet where the majestic obelisk has its roots, full to the brim and quivering with the azure energy\"

Founding of Yliakum
\"Together, they reached the lower end of the column and discovering a rocky niche that contained the luminous and faceted extremity that now gives life-energy to Yliakum.\"
\"They diverted the courses of the underground rivers to feed the fertile and rich land that they had placed on the rock to make it suitable for life\"

Epoch 2:
Laanx leaves Yliakum
\"She retired to wander in the Stone Labyrinths, and many Lemurs went with her\"

Epoch 3:
Talaad names Hydlaa
\"Talad gave up any hope to be reconciled with the old friend and, now alone, turned his thoughts to the people left in the town they had created. He called it \"Hydlaa\", the name of the most powerful glyph\"

Laanx finds Kadaikos
\"At the top he (Laanx) spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.\"

Founding of the ten towns of Kadaikos
\"The Lemurs multiplied rapidly, built the ten towns of Kadaikos, and they became a prosperous and numerous populations.\"

Loss of Kadaikos to the black flame
\"After the departure of Laanx, a black flame appeared in Kadaikos. Everyone believed that it was a part of Laanx soul and was supposed to rule his people till his return. The black flame was sentient and easily took control of the people in Kadaikos.\"

Epoch 4
Other races arrive
\"Talad was more cautious and less restless after the catastrophic incident that parted him from Laanx. Under his guidance Hydlaa filled quickly\"

Epoch 5
Talaad and Laanx create there temples in Yliakum

*edit*
After reading the government section I found this.
\"Eight dignitaries called \"Octarchs\" rule the city; each of them supervises and is responsible for one level of Yliakum.\" which seems to sugest that somebody may have got mixed up and Yliakum and Hydlaa are one and the same (unless Hydlaa is just the name of part of Yliakum)

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Post by: Caldazar on August 22, 2003, 04:48:56 pm

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At the top he (Laanx) spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.

I was under the impression that Laanx was a gal. correct? If Im not mistaking theres quite a few of these \"errors\" on the mainpage...

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Post by: Grakrim on August 22, 2003, 04:55:42 pm

Here\'s my thought on it, assuming Yliakum is a city, and assuming Yliakum is also the name of the stalactite, perhaps each of the 8 levels are analogous to the boroughs of New York City? Hydlaa is just one of eight portions of the city constructed on one of the eight levels?

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Post by: Grakrim on August 22, 2003, 05:32:40 pm

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Originally posted by Caldazar

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At the top he (Laanx) spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.

I was under the impression that Laanx was a gal. correct? If Im not mistaking theres quite a few of these \"errors\" on the mainpage...

Yes, in the beginning Laanx was female; however, in the second passage of the second epoch, I quote:

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But she was wrong and when Talad, imbued with the power, came close to her to create the first creature of his people, a tempest of chaos went out from the god\'s hands and it hit Laanx on her face, penetrating deeply into her body and she became forever disfigured.
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Careless of Talad\'s pain, she denied her being, her femininity, her people, and drove away the harmony from her heart.
She retired to wander in the Stone Labyrinths, and many lemurs went with her. She dressed a thick red tunic and shaped a mask without features to stifle her disablement and wrote the Book of Names because, even if she was confused and her mind distraught, she did not forget her desire to be worshipped by the people. Hence Laanx, the masquerade god, wild and inflexible, began to think about what happened.

Make special note of the phrase, \"She denied her being, her femininity\".  So, from this point forward, Laanx became a man, or at least in her/his belief.  I don\'t believe that was a typo.

Title: *uncommon knowledge*
Post by: Drilixer on August 23, 2003, 02:05:46 am

hmm... this isn\'t wuite xommon knowledge so I\'ll leave it kryptic and Vengeance of course can zap this post if he dislikes it...

Has anyone ever wondered why the game is called PlaneShift...

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Post by: Caldazar on August 23, 2003, 11:54:42 am

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Originally posted by Grakrim

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Originally posted by Caldazar

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At the top he (Laanx) spied a huge stalactite that occupied one third of the vault, and which produced a thin rain of clear water. It was the conic block of rock that held Yliakum.

I was under the impression that Laanx was a gal. correct? If Im not mistaking theres quite a few of these \"errors\" on the mainpage...

Yes, in the beginning Laanx was female; however, in the second passage of the second epoch, I quote:

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But she was wrong and when Talad, imbued with the power, came close to her to create the first creature of his people, a tempest of chaos went out from the god\'s hands and it hit Laanx on her face, penetrating deeply into her body and she became forever disfigured.
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Careless of Talad\'s pain, she denied her being, her femininity, her people, and drove away the harmony from her heart.
She retired to wander in the Stone Labyrinths, and many lemurs went with her. She dressed a thick red tunic and shaped a mask without features to stifle her disablement and wrote the Book of Names because, even if she was confused and her mind distraught, she did not forget her desire to be worshipped by the people. Hence Laanx, the masquerade god, wild and inflexible, began to think about what happened.

Make special note of the phrase, \"She denied her being, her femininity\".  So, from this point forward, Laanx became a man, or at least in her/his belief.  I don\'t believe that was a typo.

 8o *smacks forehead*
Duh! You have a good point there Grakrim.

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Post by: Xalthar on August 23, 2003, 12:32:06 pm

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Originally posted by Drilixer
hmm... this isn\'t wuite xommon knowledge so I\'ll leave it kryptic and Vengeance of course can zap this post if he dislikes it...

Has anyone ever wondered why the game is called PlaneShift...

I would have to say because there are many other different planes

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Beyond Yliakum, concealed by the Bronze Doors, the Stone Labyrinths, the unknown Kadaikos, homeland of Lemurs, and the legendary Pradesha - ruled by the enlightened Ahrijani - wait to be discovered. And much more...

There are different realms for sure, and such could also be called \"planes\"

At least that\'s my guess..

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Post by: magicback on August 29, 2003, 11:54:00 am

*newbie post*

comment: this is great

on-topic:

I think the setting is really great as it is \"different\" and it appears to be designed to explain in-game out-of-game technical limitations.  For example:

planes:  you just create different planes for different games and connet them togther.

Yliakum:  it is enclosed in an small finite area, not the whole planet or plane.  It set the expectation of limited space.

Food and Ecology:  the setting info explain sufficiently about the ecology of the realm.  I\'m interested to hear how life/death will be implemented.

The she-to-he transformation and single gender Kran(sp) are also quite interesting elements.

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Post by: Djaggernaut on August 29, 2003, 01:28:45 pm

Instead of wondering why a things is called \"blabla\" or what this place is called \"blabla\", perhaps it would be more interesting to wonders what is this giant world wich has an underground and a surface.

Doesn\'t this make your imagination goes far?
It\'s probably not the earth...

Anyway you\'re in a stalagtite, the name will not change that. ;)

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Post by: Hamled on September 22, 2003, 09:34:28 pm

What I got from the overview was that Yliakum was the entire stalagmite, which was pretty much a huge city (with some interpersed rural farmland) that is comprised of 8 levels...

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Post by: Grakrim on September 22, 2003, 09:39:47 pm

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Originally posted by Hamled
What I got from the overview was that Yliakum was the entire stalagmite, which was pretty much a huge city (with some interpersed rural farmland) that is comprised of 8 levels...

That was pretty much said already in this thread, was there a need to conjure up a one-month thread to say it again?

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Post by: galatnm on December 17, 2003, 12:17:10 pm

I think it was a good idea if someone can draw a detail map of planeshift and/or a map of the city of hydlaa with important sites like tavern, library, etc...

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Post by: Caldazar on December 17, 2003, 04:00:36 pm

There is a map, made by Grono and Acraig.
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Post by: Moogie on December 17, 2003, 04:29:16 pm

Nah, I think it was Gronomist and Acraig? *isn\'t sure*

I\'ve seen the pic somewhere during the last few weeks... let me go looksee. I\'ll post it here if I find it.

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Post by: lynx_lupo on December 17, 2003, 05:04:55 pm

It was Grono and the pic is in the \"...Steps to build PS\" guide.

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Post by: Axsyrus on December 17, 2003, 05:11:43 pm

that\'s just a map of hydlaa, not of whole yliakum.
I made one too: Map (http://q-news.sourceforge.net/temp/ao/map/)

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Post by: Xalthar on December 17, 2003, 07:44:14 pm

it just turns up all white in mozilla ?(

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Post by: Caldazar on December 17, 2003, 09:08:33 pm

Not in my Mozilla.

Title: Side effects?
Post by: Patnik on September 14, 2004, 01:57:09 pm

So hydlaa Is a distraction for a bigger project?
and the bigger project is another world wich includes alot of new things distract us while they building an even greater world?
and so on...It would be great is they would do that :D

I saw somewhere they already finished some sewers, so what is there to drain in Yliakum? and there is TOO MANY QUESTIONS i cant stand it! :( :(  

Planeshift will rule, btw!

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Post by: Reikar on September 15, 2004, 05:27:44 am

If all the levels are stacked on top of each other, doesn?t that mean only the top most level gets the light from the crystal? Or is it that each level has their own crystal?

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Post by: Maedhros on September 15, 2004, 05:33:57 pm

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If all the levels are stacked on top of each other, doesn?t that mean only the top most level gets the light from the crystal? Or is it that each level has their own crystal?

This is answered in the Setting Overview under Crystal

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Post by: Stydracos on September 15, 2004, 06:17:21 pm

The layout of the levels can also be seen ingame in the library, check out the open book.