PlaneShift
Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Kuiper7986 on July 26, 2003, 07:33:52 am
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Anyone ever imagine what it would be like when you die?
I believe that there is an afterlife. You know it just gets you thinking what happens exactly when your about to die.
I heard on TV that first it gets really cold because your blood stops circulating, then your entire life flashes before your eyes because your brain is shutting down, but then after you feel warm and cozy like you feel safe that nothing bad can happen to you, then everything turns to a golden light and no one knows why. Then no one knows what happens next because by then you already died or something happened and you got revived.
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??? What have u been smokin? lol i\'m just kiddin. I dunno i never really thought about it.
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some people know... those that have died and have been brought back to life. These people hold the answers you seek...
p.s. this is posted in the wrong forum.
[edit: ah, its in the right forum now]
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no no... everyone knows that when you die, you just reappear back home with an xp penalty and maybe missing an arm or a leg
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Don\'t be a goof. That golden light is the title screen. Then you have to choose to either load a saved life, be revived (if you have any faries), or start a new life.
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I always thought when you died you just lagged out for a while :(
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Remember \"I think therefore I am\", people; it\'s all we really know. From my research and experiences though, it would take more faith for me to believe we\'re just chemestry, than it takes me to believe a part of us lives forever. I love therefore God am.
What about PlaneShift though? :D I have wondered what will happen to us when we simply kick the bucket because we took too many monsters on at once.
Can I immediately run off into the new parts of the map like an excited little girl, or do I have to take it step by step because when I run into an angry giant rhino-centaur I\'ll leave all my crystals spread around my dead body?
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exactly - you better respawn and hurry back to your corpse, because if someone like me was in your party - you would have a very nicely looted corpse before you got back there :)
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Drilixer that\'s simply nasty 8o
:))
But all of my crystals? That\'s a lo.. enough to be considered a \'griefer\'.
Perhaps just a certain number would be dropped? Some kind of limit to a few score of your lesser items? Or some kind of skill reduction ? ..
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I thought there was something about you go the world of the dead or something and had to make your way back to living realm to be revived. Maybe that was just someone\'s idea though, I don\'t remember.
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When you die (in PS that is), you will venture to the underground, and there you will be presented with a task, that you must complete before you can go back to the \"real\" world. If you will loose any of your stash, is beyond my knowledge. :)
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world of the dead... nah alot of games already have that (or at least alot of hardcore moduled games)
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Those are the words of the devs.
..right?
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Maybe you don\'t lose what you were wearing, or any quest items? I like the netherworld idea, maybe you only lose items if you don\'t complete the task?
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You wont get up from the underground unless you finish the task.
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I hope the Netherworld idea get\'s into PS. Just dying and having to start afresh as an unexperience character could be very frustrating (though pretty reality true). Just respawning with no penalty will turn it into a \"shoot-em-up\" or rather \"hack\'em-to-bits\" fps and then I\'ll leave.
So the netherworld idea with a chance to come back, though with some penalties is a nice middle-of-the-road solution.
Is there anyone who really knows?
Devs? It would be really nice to know as this is a question many people I have told about PS have asked me and I can\'t answer them.
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my brother died, he had to plug a lot of quarters into the machine for that one...
(on a side note, he did die of blood loss once, but the fancy machine the doctors had at the hospital pumped it back into him...)
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Originally posted by tygerwilde
my brother died, he had to plug a lot of quarters into the machine for that one...
(on a side note, he did die of blood loss once, but the fancy machine the doctors had at the hospital pumped it back into him...)
.... yea .... khmmm ...i hope he\'s ok now ... yea ...whatever ...
i like the quest idea ...at first i thought that you\'d just show up as a ghost and have to find your corpse ...but the underworld quest idea would probably be nicer ...but you can still do it as a ghost :] ...you know like \"help find her lost baby\" or similar ...i\'d think different quests would be cool ...you know, not that you die the third time over and you already know the quest you have inside out
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When you die you become bug food, and then the bugs poo you out, and then you fertilize the earth so other people can plant peanuts, and then they die, and peanuts live on forever. :D
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I think that peanuts are the spawn of Lucifer himself. They are fat, they are bad for your health, they taste good, and, you cant stop eating them. Damn you Lucifer!
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lol .....same with bacon!!! i could eat endless numbers of pigs..... as long as its in bacon/ham form that is..... XD
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Off topic... since I refuse to talk about peanuts... I might as well talk about apples...! mmmmh... ?bler....!
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Oh no Xalthar, we wont walk down that road again ;)
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?bler... mmmmmh...
*wanders off in an apple-craving frenzy*
*eerie voice coming from something you can only discern to be an apple grove*
\"Thy true masters beckon thee to follow Caldazar! Let the apples embrace thee as thy multicolored-fresh-and-extremely-well-tasting sires!\"
...or something :P
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Death eh?, I remember when I was the queen of persia...no, sorry, that was when I was playing prince of persia, ah well......
When I die I hope that is it, nothing, bliss, the great abyss, unfortunately I have read/experienced a bit too much to accept that idea, damnit.
Maybe we have a soul, a great knowledgeable entity within, if reincarnation is a reality then that means we must therefore live again, blind to our past.
If you think about it this way, then aunty mavis who died in that plane crash can\'t be on the \'other side\' as she would have to incarnate again, this of course means all mediums are frauds, hmm, maybe that\'s what crowley was on about...
If this soul \'awakens\' after life, then the experience which would follow would be intense. You would remember countless lives, times and experience all flooding back in a fraction....this puts the wind up me :S
On the other hand, maybe the idea that god is everything/one/where/what?, in that case we are all shards of a bigger entity. Some believe that when we die we must let go of everything earthly so we may ascend, or join the great white thing. In this case you would bliss, loose all sense of self and be absorbed into a great pool of knowledge and xp.
That not your fancy?, then there\'s always Elysium, it\'s meant to be pretty sweet up there, lush rolling ethereal feilds etc.
You wake up and unplug yourself, this isn\'t really your life, you\'re not even human!, yeah, would you believe it, but this is all a game. Don\'t worry about the eight tentacles, no, you never had any legs, as I was saying, it was just a game and you\'re not really human......
Maybe I think about these things too much... :P
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Originally posted by icosiel
If you are a fan of christianity, you will either go to heaven or hell, probably hell because you haven\'t prayed every day of your life and been a good boy. Remember, only a certain amount of souls get into heaven and it sounds pretty dull there too (no offence meant to any christians)
Since I happen to be a fan of Christianity I must respond to this point:
First of all you don\'t get to heaven by praying everyday and being a \"good boy\". The thing is you see, You can\'t be \"good\" enough to get into heaven. No one can. The only way in is to accept Jesus. No action, way of life, or good deed in any quantity can get you in. In short you have to believe in Jesus\' Death and subsequent Resurrection. You have to believe He died to pay the price for your sin. You have to accept that payment on your behalf. That guarantees you salvation. (some christian beliefs have various spins on this but I personally believe this version is the correct one according to the Bible which is what I base my entire faith on.) Now of course once you have done all this He does expect certain things from you like giving Him total control over your life. If you fail to do so you don\'t lose the ticket to heaven but he does make your life here on earth miserable till you do. That is the subject of another sermon though.
Oh and no offense was taken just felt I had to correct you on a few points regarding the christian faith.
*dang this was long post hope I didn\'t tick anyone off with it :-) Please no flames this isn\'t a direct attack against anyone elses religion. Its just that mine happens to exclude any belief in another. You are certainly free to believe I am wrong though. :-)
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All religions say every other religion is false, so many people are confused (like me). I\'d have to say that there is no knowing what happens afterward. Maybe life is just a video game run by a corporation. It\'s as pluasible as any religion.
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Religions are self-selected groups. People end up in the religion they feel most comfortable in, around other people who also feel most comfortable in that religion and therefore are similar somehow to each other.
When you feel that a religion fits you and \"feels right\" it is only natural to start thinking and saying that you\'re right and others are wrong--and for you that is true.
That is my theory on why religions all say each other are wrong. It\'s like EQ people saying SWG sucks and PvP people saying non-PK games suck.
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[going back on topic]
i was thinking and i think IMO the best idea would be that it depends on whose ground you die on (laanx or talad) and ehn you die you have to make an offering to the god in order to be resurected ...the idea is that you\'d have to bargain with him/her and you\'d probably give him a few items that he wouldn\'t accept as proper payment before you found out what he wants ...of course every time you go to him/her he/she\'d want something else from your inventory (random - read bottom)
and let\'s say something really precious that he/she\'d always take as a proper payment would be always an option like a special item (rare jewelry for laanx let\'s say) or offering enough xp, your firstborn, pet, next crop...
the simplest thing to achieve this in the code itself would be a random pick from your inventory which you\'d then have to find, or even better that you\'d have to solve a riddle in order to find out what he/she really wants from you :]
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The topic was death IRL hook ;)
Just a small thing I\'ve been thinking about: If I dont believe in heaven or hell, not saying that I dont, since I do, how can I be sent there, since I dont believe it?
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*Reads the word \'tact\' up in the dictionary*, oh..*blushes*
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That\'s right Cal; I don\'t believe in jail, so I can commit crimes without worry, right?
Do we govern reality, or does reality govern us?
Regardless of what you believe, if heaven and hell is how it is, then heaven and hell is how it is.
What is, is.
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There\'s a pretty big difference between human laws and the \"laws of god\" Abemore. God loves the humans, all of them, even the sinners. He wants them to believe, or so I was taught, should I be punished for something I believe? God works in mysterious ways ya know..
OK, just read through my post... there are some major logical flaws.. well, I\'ll blame it all on the insomnia :rolleyes:
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oooops ...sorry ...i remeber there being a thread about death IG, so i probably posted before reading it :rolleyes:
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this disscusion is realy morbid........but since you are all talking about it
I \"think\" when we die thats it no afterlife nothing you just die.
:rolleyes: um i think i just made it more morbid....um sry :D
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Hummm,
Death, Respawning, Penuts, Apples, Faith in Jesus, Foudation of religions, and just death.
Death-- there is not a consensus, but considering what is at stake, a few trips to church could not hurt, or maybe a course in philosophy.
Respawning-- I like the gost quest idea. I like a game that puts a high penalty on dieing. Other players should be able to loot your corpse too. (PvP thred never dies).
Penuts-- Food is good it keeps you from dieing.
Apples-- Same as penuts
Faith in Jesus-- He rose from the dead, to save your soul, all you have to do is believe in him. Good deal if you ask me.
Foundation of religions-- Rooted in hummanity. We have throughout the ages always asked the question, what happens when we die. The question is what makes us human.
Just death-- Where is the fun in that! Even the idea of me being an 8 armed squid playing Ever Earth Quest, is better than nothing. Hummm... EEQ... E2Q... EQ2... if I stare hard enough maybe I can see the pixels.
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So many people. So many different religions and beliefs.
The belief of the afterlife seems the most popular. Some believe in reincarnation. Buddhists believe in achieving a state of nirvana in this life through meditation. Some say Jesus was the son of God; some say Jesus was just a guy (or a prophet); some probably say, \"Jesus who?\"
One important fact about religions is that they were all created by man. All the stories in the Bible or Koran or anywhere else were all recorded or invented or exaggerated to show a moral (and then translated) by man. And religious wars are the products of our creations.
So, what do you believe? The religion you\'ve been taught as a child? Perhaps every religion has some truth in it. Perhaps reincarnation, the afterlife, nirvana, and whatever else all exist, and we should believe in them all. Who knows?
One thing is certain, however. The past has been written. The events of the past happened they way they did: creation of the universe, evolution of man, etc. Trouble is, we can\'t clearly see the past. All we have are stories on which to base our knowledge.
The more you know, the better off you are.
The choice of what we believe belongs to us all.
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Originally posted by Abemore
One important fact about religions is that they were all created by man. All the stories in the Bible or Koran or anywhere else were all recorded or invented or exaggerated to show a moral (and then translated) by man.
And who are you to say that this is a fact? You are right ofcourse that these stories in the Bible and other religious books have been written down by men, but it is not a fact that they made them up.
They don\'t call the Bible God\'s word for nothing. They all were inspired by God or some entity that told them what to write. The human was the tool to put God\'s word into writing.
Ofcourse you may still believe that it is a fact, but don\'t go as far as stating that it is.
Many people don\'t believe that.
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Okay, well said Keldorn.
But don\'t misunderstand. The fact is that the many different religions were created by man. I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations. I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.
I did not mean that men made up the stories in these books; I only meant that it was probable. It could have happened. What assurance do we have that God inspired each and every writer. And then, did God also inspire the translation of these stories? Maybe so. Assuming that every translated word in every religious book is inspired by God and translated from original writings also inspired by God, we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions. Did God inspire that as well? Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier. I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.
I want you to be okay with what I am saying, Keldorn. Are there any other problems?
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Originally posted by Abemore
Okay, well said Keldorn.
But don\'t misunderstand. The fact is that the many different religions were created by man. I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations. I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.
I did not mean that men made up the stories in these books; I only meant that it was probable. It could have happened. What assurance do we have that God inspired each and every writer. And then, did God also inspire the translation of these stories? Maybe so. Assuming that every translated word in every religious book is inspired by God and translated from original writings also inspired by God, we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions. Did God inspire that as well? Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier. I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.
I want you to be okay with what I am saying, Keldorn. Are there any other problems?
Ooooh I could really get in trouble with this one.
First of all the scriptures kind of exclude all other religous writings. According to them they are the exclusive word of God. No other scripture like the Koran or the Tao of whatever can be God\'s Word if the Bible is true.
Second of all the Bible has several stories where His People the Isrealites were told to slaughter and I quote \"every man woman and child\". So yes God told people to kill other people.
As far as your interpretation of the scriptures well thats between God and You no one else can judge you on it. They can believe your wrong try to convince you of it and even get really angry with you about it. But God is the only one with the ability to judge you as wrong or right about it.
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There were no problems to start with, just wanted to say what i was thinking.
But don\'t misunderstand. The fact is that the many different religions were created by man. I assume this was done to separate themselves from others with slightly different beliefs/interpretations. I have trouble believing God came down and said \"you people in this religion, you other people over here\", etc.
Ofcourse \'God\' didn\'t divide people into different religions. What would be the point of that. The logical explanation would be that, if there is a God, there only one true religion exists, the one of God (or whatever ya wanna call it). And the other religions are made by men who are dissatisfied with explanations given by this one religion. Christians would most likely say that the people who founded these other religions were inspired or possesed by the devil or something with horns that looks really mean.
Ofcourse if that is true then the hard thing would be to see which religion is the one and only truth. That is something everyone has to decide for oneself.
we still have everybody interpreting these books differently and creating sub-religions. Did God inspire that as well? Then there are the religious wars I mentioned earlier. I have difficulty believing that God inspired people to kill each other in his name.
I think Christians would say that people interpreting the books differently and creating sub-religions would have to do with the sin in the world. One cannot understand the books completely if you haven\'t received the holy spirit and accepted jesus or something. Satan takes advantage of it and misleads the people or somewhat along those lines.
Religious wars have ocurred all the ages. This would also be a product of the sin in the world and satan. But then again, God also says somewhere to kill for him so its a bit confusing.
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I believe that when you die, it\'s a infinite blackout. Just like when you were knocked out, it doesn\'t matter how many days you were unconcious, you will think that seconds passed. Death is darkness, whether or not a human is reborn later is yet to be proved, but everyone seems to believe it, pathetic fools
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Clever religion. Always has an explanation, and yet is not clear on the subject of killing.
Regarding the different religions. It could be that there is only one true religion (but there is no way of knowing which, unless you believe God told you). Or it could be that they all have some truth, all being based on the original truth, but having been distorted by humanity. Also introduced is the possibility that some were not based on the original truth, but devised as a means of control.
It is fun to think about :)
On a separate note, what is with these Godless people and their depressing \"infinite blackout\" death scenarios? Sheesh.
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When you die you die, and that\'s it.
About religion I wonder what part in \"Thou shall not kill\" those fanatics doesn\'t understand.
BTW: I\'m Atheist.
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Lets see. I don\'t believe in god, but I have morals, I wouldn\'t go and kill anybody or abuse anyone. But there are people who go to church to be forgiven for murders and theft and guess what, they are forgiven.
Heh, religion. Don\'t get me started.
Religion is good for the masses, but it\'s bad in terms of so much hate because of it. Every religion thinks they are best. They sound more like buisness men to me.
As for \"infinite blackout\". Hey, what\'s wrong with that? it\'s not like you will be turtured in hell or will have to live in heaven. There will be no more of you and you wouldn\'t care. Period.
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And the discussion veers off...
Heh, religion. Don\'t get me started.
I must get you started, sashok. ;)
Two things you said were contradictory: \"I don\'t believe in god,\" and, \"people who go to church to be forgiven ... are forgiven.\"
Tell me, how can people be forgiven if there is no God to forgive them? Freud might say, your \"accidental\" intentional self-contradiction indicates that you\'re a closet monotheist (or closet Christan, if you like). ;)
And how can you not believe in God? How else can you explain life, existence, and the universe? Maybe we are victims of randomness. Maybe energy randomly formed matter in the big bang that is our universe. Maybe life is also a coincidence... after all, it was only a matter of time, right? Pretty good explanation, except for, what created the energy that started it all. What created the first thing ever to exist? The word \"first\" suggest time, maybe time was first to exist, assuming it existed simultaneously with existence.
This is a deep topic, but I\'m gonna stop right there and see what you have to say.
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lol well I sure don\'t believe that God is responsible for creating this whole mess.
Ok, don\'t get me started on universe too
As for religion, well, maybe you right, I did believe in God before more than I do now for unknown to myself reasons. I just don\'t believe as much today. maybe due to the fact that I see science as a more logical explanation to everything than religion.
To me the bible is a combination of wise advices, and funny stories, nothing more. Although I never read it, it is always recited everywhere, so I\'ve heard enough.
Oh and by the way, \"people who go to church to be forgiven ... are forgiven.\" This is best example I could find. :) maybe you are right, subconsiosly I am not happy about that :)
I myself am an unknown religion coming from weird roots, far from christian. anyway, hope this is not boring you
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Originally posted by sashok20
Religion is good for the masses, but it\'s bad in terms of so much hate because of it. Every religion thinks they are best. They sound more like buisness men to me.
A quote from my uncle: \"Well ya know, there are alot of churches out there; someone\'s gotta be makin\' some money.\"
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tis true how many wars where battles of belifes of the masses the crusades are a good exsample of this they used the slogan \"fight for cristianinty and have accsess to heavan\" or something like that anyway.
also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?
i am trying to not offend anyone so please dont take it the worng way......please?
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Originally posted by seperot
also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?
That question has been asked so many times.
Here\'s what i\'ve been taught, if i believe it is something else.
Do you think God honestly wants to see all this suffering? Ofcourse not, but we brought all this suffering and war upon ourselves, it all started with that fruit.
We have our own free wills, we aren\'t puppets.
So why doesnt God intervene, you might ask? Many people think that God should help us out of this misery, they don\'t realise that we live in the time of mercy. God let\'s things go as they are supposed to go, he will eventually intervene but when he does it will be no half measures. People will complain again, that God is so harsh to us. Even when he intervenes and helps us it will not be good. Cause realise that everyone sins, if god would intervene, you think he would spare you? You are a sinner, we all are.
So be happy that he doesn\'t intervene in the mess we have created, if your heart does not belong to Jesus, you would not be spared.
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i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier
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Originally posted by kcirbmab
i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier
yeah and then the two planets will go to war because hey... the French havnt won a war yet... they they have got to try again sometime!
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Originally posted by kcirbmab
i just think when we die, there\'ll be a planet for the french, a planet for the chinese and we\'ll all be a whole lot happier
lol
Originally posted by seperot
also i would like to here opinions on this question: if there a god/gods why is there so much suffring death terrorism and such things?
Because this is not heaven.
You use the phrase \"so much\". Would you be happier if there were less? God should intervene and reduce the bad things, but the bad things should still exist? Is that what you want? If so, how do you know God has not already intervened? Maybe love and kindness would not exist at all without God\'s intervention.
I also like Keldorn\'s free will comment. Check out the film Bruce Almighty. It\'s a fun one.
Originally posted by seperot
i am trying to not offend anyone so please dont take it the worng way......please?
You must not worry about offending people in a discussion such as this. I don\'t. Inevitably some people will be offended no matter what you say. But rather than hold back, it\'s better to say what you think so we can get a broad range of input and knowledge.
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On a side note, I read somewhere that all stories of creation have 2 things in common: a flood, and separateness from a whole.
I only know of christian teachings: Noah builds a great Ark to survive the flood, and Eve is created from part of Adam (separateness from whole).
Isn\'t that interesting?
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Hah hah hah,
this post just keeps getting funnier.
Abe: FYI-- Moses parted the red sea, Noah built an Ark, and Indiana Jones was the main character in Raders of the lost Ark
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LOL, doh!
*edits post to try to look less stupid*
Love that Indiana Jones.