PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Fowel on July 26, 2003, 07:23:20 pm
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I have been looking around, looking for a guild to join and the further I was in my first \"quest\" I started to wonder why there are so many guilds?
Does PlaneShift really need as much guilds as it has Role Player\'s?
I do not understand why anyone would create a new \"Evil Guild\" (which in fact isn\'t Evil because most people don\'t know wat Evil means) if there already is one. It would be much easier to just join the existing Evil Guild.
And this is not only happening with Evil Guild\'s, there are too many guilds of any sort you can think of.(except a Good Thieve Guild ;-))
It would be much more interesting and challenging if there would be about 10 large guilds, with different alignments and several small guilds that would have to cooperate to not be overwhelmed by the power of the large guilds. Small guilds would be more specialized while the large guilds would have too much members to be specialized. That means large guilds would have to hire small guilds to do very specific jobs. (when two large guilds are waging war on each other they could use the specialism of a smaller guild)
Anyway, this is wishful thinking because there are too many people who think having a guild is cool. And, which is worse, they are absolutely not gifted with leadership qualities.
But I\'m interested how other people would like the guild-system to work.
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Originally posted by Fowel
And this is not only happening with Evil Guild\'s, there are too many guilds of any sort you can think of.(except a Good Thieve Guild ;-))
Hummm Thanks man :(
Or maybe you meant a Good Aligned thief Guild ?
Anyway, there are many guilds because there are many players who want to start their own guild. And there is no guild number limit (yet?). I don\'t see why it s so hard to understand.
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Yes, I meant Good Aligned. :-)
It is in fact easy to understand why there are so many guilds, so maybe my thread title isn\'t that well chosen. What I meant was that I don\'t understand why one would like to have his own guild , while in most cases that guild will miserably fail in his goal because of bad management. (yes, management in medieval times ;-))
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haha - it appears I\'m not the only power hungy person around here!
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I like your idea about larger guilds using smaller ones specialization (actually i heard it before, but i still like it ;))
Yea, i think some people should think twice before starting their own guild...
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I think there are 3 main factors to the high number of guilds.
1) There isn\'t much to do yet, so people have enough time to start their own guild. And with your own guild, you can make all your own choices, without someone above you in control.
2) Guilds don\'t really do anything yet. When PS grows and guilds get to play a real role, you\'ll see a natural selection. Better organized guilds will simply destroy or outcompete other guilds. At the moment, there\'s no way for one guild to really influence another, so it\'s free play.
3) Everybody wants to make some sort of impact on PS. For a lot of people that means that they want to start a guild now that the game is still in early development, so when the game goes \'public\', they\'ll have a stong, old and important guild.
I don\'t think that this high amount of guilds is a real problem. Some of them are bound to turn into a well organized and important guild, some probably already are. For all the guilds that fail, at least their leaders will have had their chance to try and hopefully learn from their mistakes.
But I admit, it\'s a bit confusing at the moment, I had the same problem. When I started, I looked around and the only idea I really liked was that of the BISM (which isn\'t a guild). I initially wanted to join the BISM and then relax and look for a guild to join, but in the end I like the BISM so much I didn\'t need a guild anymore. I\'m even on the council now and i enjoy every minute of it. :)
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Originally posted by Sharaz
I don\'t think that this high amount of guilds is a real problem. Some of them are bound to turn into a well organized and important guild, some probably already are. For all the guilds that fail, at least their leaders will have had their chance to try and hopefully learn from their mistakes.
Although I agree with most of what say I cannot say that I think large numbers of guilds won\'t be a problem. For if the reason to start a guild is to make an impact on PlaneShift those small, poorly led guilds will try to do anything to be noticed. And one guild that just ravages through Planeshift isn\'t much of a problem, but 50 guilds will be.
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well, guild halls had better be damned expencive and time consuming to make to keep every guild that pops up from creating fortresses and such
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Guild needs at least 10 members and a website to become official.
I don\'t think unofficial guids will be allowed to build guild buildings ...
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well they could always a hire a builder character to make them a shack :)
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lol yeah...
who knows... maybe we will see Peasants guild in future :D ;)
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I agree that there should be rules to keep tiny guilds from taking over the entire world of PS. But those rules should not keep people from starting a guild, just that they have to meet certain requirements (nr. of members, homepage, \'active time\') to fullfill any active role in-game.
So I\'d say, let everybody a who wants to start a guild do so, as long as there are rules to make sure they don\'t become a nuisance.
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Hiya.
Finally Fowel has found a guild that he likes ... let\'s welcome him in the Black Order :) ... and Yann ... I must talk with you.
I think this is all ...
Farewell.
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Originally posted by Fowel
I have been looking around, looking for a guild to join and the further I was in my first \"quest\" I started to wonder why there are so many guilds?
Good question indeed. The simple answer would be cause ppl are annoing and everyone wants an easy way out. Here is an idea, let\'s ALL start a guild, then everyone would be happy. Half of these pathetic excuses for a guild won\'t last for long, so in the end it will all be the way god intended.
Let me tell you a story. Once there was this \"person\" who said, ha, I am smarter then most, or he thought, and he started a guild. Long story short, 6 months down the road, 30+ members later (more then half of who were inactive), and blah blah, the work was too much, so he said screw it. I don\'t even see the point anymore of starting anything, more work for you, and the benefits are still unknown.
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I think someone is angry because he lost his guild. :D
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Originally posted by _Atticus
I think someone is angry because he lost his guild. :D
Meh, I quit.
I can\'t even connect to the game anymore, and IRC has been taken away from me, still for unknown reasons, I suspect that the jerks at undermind like men alot, so they banned me, for I was about to uncover their plot of world domination throught the use of second grade latex.
The point is, most of the old, somewhat respected people left to do better things, and the newer community does not interest me.
At most, I would still recommend BISM to ppl, but the reality is, the old guild crumbled, and there is no point in holding on to something that\'s only gonna fade away like Annah is doing.
Bitter, a bit, ....... do I blame anyone for it? ... Ofcourse. Will I take revenge? Most definatly. I have said enough, I think... :D
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I don\'t think that this high amount of guilds is a real problem. Some of them are bound to turn into a well organized and important guild, some probably already are. For all the guilds that fail, at least their leaders will have had their chance to try and hopefully learn from their mistakes. - Sharaz
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No doubt there will be this \"natural\" selection based mostly on leadership, organization and most of all the commitment of the members. That is normal and healthy.
So for all ppl looking for a guild to join try and look at the organization and activity of the members of the guild(s) you are considering. A look at the website will give you an idea of the professionalism and organizational ability of the leadership. Look at the guild(s) own forum to get an idea of how active they are and whether they are just \"goofing around\", trying to build their own little empire or are actually working on ideas and contributing to game development.
Also if you see members from a guild you\'ve been watching do a search under their name(s) in PS forum to see how often they participate and more importantly what they contribute to PS forum and the whole PS project. You will quickly find out who is serious and constructive,who is just goofing around and who is actually making a pain of themselves pestering others, and abusing the forum for personal intrigues.
That being said, consider the difference in structure and \"power-sharing\" in guilds. Some guilds (but by no means all!) have a hierarchical order with one person (the leader/founder) at the top with all the say. This requires a very nice and balanced leader to make it fun for the other members to be part of it. Other guilds have a more open and representative decisionmaking structure with a council or elected body that make decision together. Those are probably the ones in which there is more team work and dynamics, although that is not to say that other forms of guilds can not be a close knit unit with good relations amongst themselves.
There will shortly be published a survey of guilds comparing them with each other i.t.o. type of members recruited, aims, alignment, ranking- and organisational structure as well as allies. When that is done it will be announced in this forum with a link to the survey.
A word of advice (can be ignored at no peril :D ) if you are thinking of starting a new guild do so in an \"area\" that is not already populated densely by existing guilds. There are no Merchant\'s guilds for example yet. In the game merchants will be an important factor as all will not be fighting, blood-and-guts stuff but also making a living etc.
well, guild halls had better be damned expencive and time consuming to make to keep every guild that pops up from creating fortresses and such- Dril (again) :P
I think you are right some guilds would have to partner (i.e. very close allies that actually work together) or fuse with one another in order to really be able to influence Yliakum in-game and to be able to establish a noticeable presence.
well they could always a hire a builder character to make them a shack - Dril (again ...and again ....) 8)
That\'s the idea of a true genius Dril! You create a builders guild, would mean you would gain lots of building prowess so you would become even better at destroying guild halls effectively :D .
*pats Dril nicely on the head and gives him a dog biscuit for good behaviour (Still love you man - btw our relationship has been discovered! 8o :] )*
A last (promise I\'m done now), thought. Because a guild has been around al ong time does not mean it won\'t fall apart and die of old age and lack of activity (just have a look around this forum for evidence of decay, death and suicidal actions :D ). Also just because a guild is new and small it does not mean it won\'t last. Leadership, organization, dynamism and member committment mean a lot more than age.
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I started my own guild, so what? I made a website for it. So what? I am the only member. So what? Ya, it will never last and will prolly never even be noticed...much less become \"important\". Who cares.
It is simply a diversion for me. It keeps this game interesting for me until more features are implemented. I may not be able to find thousands of crystals in a day or complete even one quest, but at least I can take screenshots and create content for my site. Heck, even that gets boring.
I am up front about this, which makes it easier for you to see that if you are looking for a serious guild that wont fade away then VCguild isn\'t for you. I think it would be much better if more people were honest with themselves and with others about how far they are willing to take their guilds. Mine is for levity...nothing more...which might explain why I\'m the only member, lol.
If you need a break or want a good chuckle, check this out:http://vcguild.cjb.net
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All members against the existence of too many guilds join the Cabal. We are the only and original guild who\'s sole aim is to plot the downfall of other guilds( ofcourse the society and law and order will fall too but that is a mere technicality ;). And you\'ll get the money... dont forget the money! ). So lend a hand and god willing we\'ll clear the place of all wannabe guild superpowers. ;):D
(A bit of shameless guild promotion, but hey I said I was evil:P)
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(A bit of shameless guild promotion, but hey I said I was evil)
That I like, when you\'re roleplaying make it clear!
The Cabal IS an interesting and novel idea for a guild so good luck with it.
As for brining down law and order and all guilds ... Bring it on Baby :P AO revels in challenges!
*Blows the trumpet calling all wizards to battle stations*
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hehe better hurry up to beat me to him i almost hit him with an arrow today almost **kicks ground** 8)
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Who? ;o Where? ;o Ahhhh Illy, It\'s you :] Where do you need a fireball? that tree over there?
*casts a blazing fireball at near tree, which catches fire instantly*
I hope you called me with a reason :P
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AAAHHHhHHH
**runs around yelling cause his coats on fire **
your gonna pay for the repairs fire balling mage thing
**throws off coat and stamps on it**
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The Arcane Order looks lightly upon petty threats of doom :P The combined might of our wizards will thwart any opposition within hours, should the need to do so arise...
just stating the facts :P so I\'ll see you all in hell (if you get that far :evil: ) :P
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You certainly got this place rolling, Mr. Jerk. For that I thank you :)
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Sorry Sep, but i hope that is... incident taught you to be more careful with Wizard\'s fire.
*looks at burned Sep*
Yeah - a fireball 1st class :D
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Am I late??, hope not I want to do some jerk bashing :D
Come on, Bring it on!!
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Dont Fall for any counterfiet Jerks. The Cabal is the only and original supplier of Jerks on Yliakum. Our jerks are 100% jerky so you cant get that extra satisfaction when you bash them. As an added incentive you will also get free asskicking and a guildwar with most such incidents.:D
* The above promotional statement may not be representative of the actual service.All statements are subject to conditions to be met by the customer. All disputes are to be settled in the Yliakum Federal court of law(or not ;)). Please refer to the Cabal Red Herring for details.
(Shameless Guild Promotion)
issued by
Auran
Corruptor, Council of the Cabal core.
BTW- Isgrimnur, thanks for the term Jerkmeister. I\'ll make good use of it. Why didnt I think of it earlier ?(
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BTW- Isgrimnur, thanks for the term Jerkmeister. I\'ll make good use of it. Why didnt I think of it earlier
have you ever seen a jerk with a good working brain ( ok ok i will stop the nasty talking to other people now i\'m going to be the chaotic good person i once was )
**give\'s seperot new cape of black goat leather**
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ooohhh **sep jump up and down messing up the coat then puts it on** jeh much better 8)
ty dorb
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i bet theres so many guilds because they all wanna be gnomes deep down on the inside.
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Ohhhh evanchild thats great. I fell out of my chair laughing so hard that i cryed.
i bet theres so many guilds because they all wanna be gnomes deep down on the inside.
ahahah am i the only one who found that funny?
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I whould poke a question but i been guily of it befor is i\'ll just sit in the corner.