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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Monketh on July 29, 2003, 04:53:50 am

Title: New guild
Post by: Monketh on July 29, 2003, 04:53:50 am: I have some ideas for new guilds, and out of boredom (and an attack on lw) here they are
-a cook\'s guild (count me in if this is liked)
-a gentlemenly villians guild (we need some nice evil ppl :) )
-a smith\'s guild
-even a roonskape guild, possibly
-etc...

edit: just saw this,
\"Too bad there is no merchant guild (that I know of) who could handle such secure transactions... \"
-ayshe

Duh! *smacks self in forehead* that\'s a great idea too!
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Post by: Wolfmane on July 29, 2003, 08:18:45 am: Wonderful idea monketh, there are many guilds on many parts of PS but some areas are not covered at all as yet.

I like the Smith\'s guild, gentlemanly villians (great idea!) and Ayshe\'s idea of Merchant\'s guild.

Get going with one of these, we\'ll support you and refer potential members that are interested in those areas of specialisation to you. We\'d rather see people committed to a new guild in an area they really enjoy being part of than just \"empire building\" by trying to rake in as many members as we possibl? can. New guilds in uncovered areas is to the advantage of PS and will improve the gaming experience for all of us!

*bows to monketh in deep respect for initiative*
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Post by: Monketh on July 29, 2003, 02:45:45 pm: Well, perhaps the merchants guild would be unofficial, like an association (no one\'s gonna quit their guild). But I like LW, and I was just suggesting. Oh well, I\'ll just be in two guilds :P .
my favorites
-cooks
-the league of gentlemen villians

[edit: show some interest ppl please... at least tell me I\'m crazy if you think so]
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Post by: Keldorn on July 30, 2003, 11:35:32 am: first off, you\'re crazy

second, here\'s an old post of mine regarding merchant guilds.
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Originally posted by Keldorn on 17.09.2002, 02:38

What about a merchant\'s guild then? There isn\'t one now that i know of. This guild could act as some kind of a labor union or something. Every person who wants to own a shop first has to go to this guild and apply for one. He has to explain what his shop will sell, and show how much money he currently has for this undertaking. If the board of this guild approves it they can grant him permission to open his shop, they could appoint a building to him, and assist him financially if needed. The owner of this shop could then offer his merchandise on this merchants guild\'s forum.
The guild will assist the owner in any way they can, and in return the owner of the shop has to give say, 10% of his week\'s winnings to the guild.
I haven\'t really worked this idea out yet, but i think it could offer some great advantages for all involved.
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Post by: Jefka on July 30, 2003, 12:15:29 pm: merchant guild didn\'t appear cause for know, you only earn weapons, which is more for fighters

so people don\'t see the utility of merchant for now ; it\'ll come with next version that will include an economic system, hopefully ; )
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Post by: Wolfmane on July 30, 2003, 01:45:54 pm: Quote
so people don\'t see the utility of merchant for now ; it\'ll come with next version that will include an economic system, hopefully ; )

Good point Jefka. But there is not really any reason why a merchant guild and its ideas and structure could not be started up. There is no real functioning magic as yet either but there are magic guilds ( 8)) who prepare for it and like to contribute ideas to the development of magic and spells in PS.

By the same token a merchant guild can be started and contribute ideas for the economy in PS.

So if there is anyone out there who wants to start a guild based on merchants try taking Keldorn/Monketh\'s ideas and build on it. I\'d much rather see a new Merchant guild then another guild in an area of specialisation where there already are many guilds.
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Post by: Kundalf on July 30, 2003, 04:46:38 pm: Hi folks,

the guild concept is still not very far grown I guess. As from the documentation every profession should have their own guild, but for now all guilds tend to be an \"all inclusive\" guild.

So in future there may perhaps be a difference between ingame guilds and those external ones. So until there are no professions ingame, it doesn\'t make much sens to have that kind of guilds (thats my opinion).

If there would be something like ingame guilds I\'d join the alchemists guild...;)
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Post by: Wolfmane on July 30, 2003, 05:24:54 pm: Hi Kundalf,

I must confess I don\'t know if there is any Alchemist guild as yet. However, as long as guilds that exist now out of game can meet the criteria for in-game guilds (even if they have to restructure to do so) there is no reason why existing guilds could not continue in-game.

From my (very short :( ) experience the advantage of creating a guild now is that one networks well with those who share an interest in the same aspects of PS. That networking and the friendships that develop out of it is worth a lot both for it\'s own sake and for when one becomes more active in a new version of PS in-game. Also the chances of contributing meaningfully to the actual development of ideas etc. in PS to be incorporated into the game are better if one has brainstormed ideas before presenting them.

From those points of view creating a guild now, especially in an area of PS that is not yet covered by an existing guild (possibly alchemism) is not a bad idea at all. If you are really interested in Alchemism maybe you should consider starting a guild for alchemists and contribute ideas on that to PS. Just an idea :P .
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Post by: Monketh on July 30, 2003, 05:37:39 pm: Hmm... well, for now we could issue a trade-worthy seal of approval :)
Does anyone want to join a gentlemen villians guild or chef\'s guild or merchant\'s guild right now? Or should I give up on it for now?

[Edit: It is? *?*]
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Post by: Bonez on July 30, 2003, 10:22:41 pm: merchants guild is so OLD something new needs to be started
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Post by: Wedge on July 30, 2003, 10:41:33 pm: Woooo, Chef\'s Guild, hell yes! Ummm, but yeah, that should probably wait until you can acutally use the cooking skill.
Title: Tavern guild
Post by: Wolfmane on July 31, 2003, 07:39:56 am: Quote
Woooo, Chef\'s Guild, hell yes! Ummm, but yeah, that should probably wait until you can acutally use the cooking skill.

Well actually I have thought that what we really need is a Tavern guild. That could include cooks, brewers, bards/musicians and tavern owners. In short all who would seek a profession in the bed-and-board department. That is broad enough a concept that such a a guild will be able to be included, maybe with some adjustments, as an official guild within an official category in-game.

As an after thought a spy network can also be part of or associated with this guild. Taverns could be excellent places for gathering information, be used as \"letterboxes\" for secret communication as well as refuge for someone running from or hiding from someone else.

I\'d like to hear if there are any comments on such an idea.
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Post by: Monketh on July 31, 2003, 03:54:45 pm: You forgot Innkeepers.
Anyway, I like this idea, it covers several sections @ once. So, is anyone interested?
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Post by: Wolfmane on August 01, 2003, 08:22:01 am: This is a refreshing thread Monketh, especially in Guilds forum. Just some constructive ideas and a good tone, not so much bickering, empire building and king kong sized ego\'s :P . I really hope we can keep it this way.

Now on the topic, maybe you should post a thread in the newby section with a link to this thread. Could be that some new people would like to be part of or start new guilds.

Also, why don\'t you make a post summarising all the ideas here so as to give an easier overview, we can update it from time to time.

I like the idea of a seal of approval for merchants, inkeepers etc. Having them form an association rather than a guild for now. That would mean that players that maybe are in a guild already but have an interest in merchant/inkeeping as well can join the interest group association without joining a guild as such and having to either leave their existing guild or be in more than one. One could create a website and forum for them to discuss, maybe even a chatroom.
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Post by: Kundalf on August 01, 2003, 09:43:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfmane
That would mean that players that maybe are in a guild already but have an interest in merchant/inkeeping as well can join the interest group association without joining a guild as such and having to either leave their existing guild or be in more than one. One could create a website and forum for them to discuss, maybe even a chatroom.

Good point, what you describe as interest group is what I called ingame guild. But right now such a thing is pointless, since there are no benefits you could have from joining it in this stage of the game.

Earlier this year there was this project started to aggregate guilds under one roof. Sorry pal, I forgot your name and the name of your site...:rolleyes:. (/me has been away quite a bit ;()
Maybe this project could be used for such a purpos.
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Post by: Kada-El on August 01, 2003, 07:56:25 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Kundalf
Earlier this year there was this project started to aggregate guilds under one roof. Sorry pal, I forgot your name and the name of your site

http://www.guildware.net/

A great idea and ambitious and worthwhile project - give it your support!
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Post by: Monketh on August 02, 2003, 03:09:43 am: Cool! Now if only I had 5 members. :(

Edit:

Monketh\'s Tavern & Merchant Association:

Well, I\'m not forming a guild. This is an idea disscussed on the forum. An association the issues seals of approval for Merchants & Taverns, a place to disscuss such things, and an issuer of titles.

Oh, and a gathering place for those who dwell there (cooks, musicians, rogues)
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Post by: Wolfmane on August 03, 2003, 12:14:46 pm: Any Merchants, tavern owners, musicians and cooks out there (except Kada :P ). Come on ppl let\'s make this happen!

PS Monketh as this is not a guild maybe you should post a new thread either in general discussion or Hydlaa plaza where more ppl and especially newcomers can see it without having to go to Guilds Forum. Post a link from here to that so we can follow you.
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Post by: Draklar on August 04, 2003, 08:29:35 am: Is it really good idea to place this association in guildware?
I mean this rule:

\"Both you and all the people signed up must have unguilded characters available to be signed up. \"

[Edit: It looks like it will be ok now, since they might tweak member settings...]
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Post by: Bonez on August 07, 2003, 12:21:53 am: i would be pleased to join and support u monketh
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Post by: seperot on August 07, 2003, 12:26:19 am: monketh when do you plan to get this thing opperatioal i kinda want my booze now :D

p.s. it is a very good idea
and i still say that
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Post by: Monketh on August 07, 2003, 03:08:54 am: I\'m gonna go see if guildware\'s up again, and *hands seperot a mug of Monketh\'s Invisible Ale (tm) vintage 3 minutes ago* here you go sep :P
Thank you Mr. Bonez/enraged
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Post by: dorbian on August 07, 2003, 12:36:32 pm: It\'s a great idea indeed you can also ask the dev team to make a market place so people can actualy buy stuff from you when you are online :D the only problem is that you also need to buy the stuff first :( so you need alot of crystals or diamonds but that way you do create a form of economy in the game COOL

greets Dorbian
Title: How to Join
Post by: Monketh on August 07, 2003, 06:12:51 pm: Well, looks like I\'ve got my 5 members. To join please register with guildware and post in here...
http://planeshift.guildware.net/index.pl?disppage=showmessage&pageval=25&forumID=2

Thank you your support,
Monketh

Btw, If you want the name changed, now\'s the time to speak up.

Post Script: Sorry if it sounds a little pre-made :P

Edit:Lol, the link doesn\'t work, shoulda known. Post yer reply in the \"GUILD REQUEST sorta...\" thread.
Thank you.
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Post by: Wolfmane on August 08, 2003, 08:01:25 am: Well done Monketh, way to go man! Congratulations on the 5 members. Let us know as soon as you\'ve got a website running we\'ll link to it from AO website.

Btw if you make it possible to join as associate member if one is a \"professional boozer & cruiser of taverns\" (call it a \"B&C\") I\'ll join too and will bring the faithful Drilixer along (can\'t go anywhere without him guarding me against potential \"suitors\" anyway :D ;( )
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 01:00:41 am: well i started in the site this is after 2 days of work if you have any comments or some thing leave it on the forum on the site :D
http://www.dorbian.nl/mtma (http://www.dorbian.nl/mtma)

edit: registration on the site and the forum are both different so if you want to post something register on the forum ;)
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Post by: Evanchild on August 12, 2003, 01:12:13 am: links dead
this is i think a merchant guild should work.

you have your base guild of people who mine and researcha nd such. defend a territory near the center of the map. a guild could send a messanger to trade and we would be an open trade resource. ie some guild has 500 wood to trade for 100 ore. our gouild would use the wood as curency and buy things from other guilds using wood. or some item. it would basicelly be the ebay of ps.
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 01:31:08 am: the link isn\'t dead i looked at it just a second ago
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Post by: Evanchild on August 12, 2003, 01:31:59 am: it doesn\'t work
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 01:35:21 am: http://www33.brinkster.com/monkethtma/ (http://www33.brinkster.com/monkethtma/)

try this one
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Post by: Evanchild on August 12, 2003, 01:55:32 am: The page cannot be displayed
There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed.

Please try the following:
Click the Refresh button, or try again later; it does not normally take a long time for an application to restart.

Open the www33.brinkster.com home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
HTTP Error 500-12 Application Restarting
Internet Information Services

Technical Information (for support personnel)

Background:
The request cannot be processed while the Web site is restarting.

More information:
Microsoft Support

lol :) at least that one cannot be displayed first one was a no go.
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 02:07:04 am: weird everyone that try\'s it that i gave the link can ome there but you can\'t :S ain\'t my mistake though ( i hope )
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Post by: Monketh on August 12, 2003, 02:17:12 am: It\'s working now, oddly enough. It didn\'t work earlier though.
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 02:23:48 am: well i didn\'t do anything bout it cus i can\'t do anything about server lags maybe that\'s the problem that occured hope they don\'t have those offten otherwise i pay for nothing :s
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Post by: Monketh on August 12, 2003, 02:48:07 am: Anyway, the site is now up and I encourage you to register on the forums.

note2rude people:Site isn\'t completed yet, it\'s being made by Dorbian in his free time. So please be considerate.
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Post by: dorbian on August 12, 2003, 03:11:50 am: The page you\'re seeing on the site is a IIS reboot page from brinkster i have no control on that if they need to reboot that server i can\'t do anything but to say wait till it\'s over :\'(

oh and people please post things on the forum on the site on how to improve it. :D
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Post by: Wolfmane on August 14, 2003, 11:17:35 am: Congrats on the site! I did have problems registering though it gave me an error message 3 times in a row, please have a look at it and let me know when it works or what I\'m doing wrong :P .
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Post by: dorbian on August 17, 2003, 06:33:20 pm: well the add option isn\'t perfect yet if you use , . \' \" it WILL give you and error message because it will interfere with the add script ( to weird i know ) but until i have fixed that you should not use those characters i will post it in the front news of the site when i have that fixed !!!.
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Post by: Freak Of Zombie on December 04, 2003, 08:37:39 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Monketh
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-a gentlemenly villians guild (we need some nice evil ppl :) )

Done and dealed with, the merry men are a robin hood kind of guild, we are villians, but we helo the poor and the new. Join us if you like. (no thief skills required, we accept all players) ;)
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Post by: Davis on December 05, 2003, 12:32:50 am: This thread is 4 months old...