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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Monketh on August 03, 2003, 10:22:42 pm

Title: Monketh's Tavern & Merchant Association
Post by: Monketh on August 03, 2003, 10:22:42 pm: Monketh\'s Tavern & Merchant Association:

Well, I\'m not forming a guild. This is an idea disscussed on the forum. An association the issues seals of approval for Merchants & Taverns, a place to disscuss such things, and an issuer of titles.

Oh, and a gathering place for those who dwell there (cooks, musicians, rogues)

(yes the name can be changed)

Half_Pint

I would like to give this wonderful idea the full support of Mirth Guild.

What could be better after a long journey than a warm, cheerful inn? A very Mirthful idea, Monketh!

I\'m planning to open a tavern myself in-game. Could I join your association?

Monketh

Most Certainly, Mr. Pint. I\'m just looking for enough ppl right now to justify the effort of creating a message board. I don\'t quite have seals to give yet though .

Now hiring: Head Honchos, Managers, Members, and Assorted employees & minions

The pay is $0.00 by the way

Drilixer

I\'m interested in a strange way... is it possible tyo belong to more than one guild?

Half_Pint

You can\'t belong to multiple ingame guilds, but this isn\'t a guild anyway.

Monketh

Exactly, because if it were a guild almost no one would join. But this isn\'t a guild and will not be operated like one, we will make no allies or enemies*. Just a place for disscussion, and business

*there will be two lists, one of trustworthy and approved traders, and one of nasty cheats, thieves, and scammers.
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Post by: Monketh on August 03, 2003, 10:28:49 pm: \"do we get free beer with our membership?or can we like run a tab?? bc if so im in baby!!! *dreams of the endless gallons of ale* ahhhhh\" -Tranor

\"No free lunch Tranor, (or beer for that matter). But working out a credit system might be possible.\" -Monketh, of course

this was taken from the LW forums
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Post by: Drilixer on August 03, 2003, 11:53:50 pm: I think it should be possible to join multiple in game guilds :P then you could action throw in a guild along with this - I mean realistically what is more of a guild than a group of craftsmen or merchants?
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 12:01:44 am: I agree completely, Drilixer. And on the second point I can\'t leave my guild! (well, I could if I was stupid enough to want to) Anyway, as I have said, this ain\'t a guild because then there\'d be very few members. It\'s easier this way too.

Edit:Btw, \"Action throw\"? huh?
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Post by: Empanado on August 04, 2003, 12:15:08 am: I\'d like to be in this guild... i mean association... i\'ve always liked the idea of being a travelling merchant.
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 12:17:08 am: That makes 3,
Half_Pint
Drilixer (possibly)
and Empanado

[edit:as you can see, I\'m monitoring this thread very closely :) ]
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Post by: Empanado on August 04, 2003, 12:46:06 am: Hell, man, that was quick.
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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 01:22:47 am: Quote
Originally posted by Monketh
Drilixer (possibly)

hehe, hey count me in - I\'m probably going to join the Arcane Order, but I\'d like to learn weaponsmithing as well (and maybe I can muscle one of the mages into enchanting weapons for me) - did you say smithies were a part of this association?
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Post by: Empanado on August 04, 2003, 02:30:11 am: uuummm smithing.... Hey, first, i need to play the game! So go give me a hand at my thread on the tech support forum! (and post on my story on the roleplaying forum too, if it\'s possible) aarrrrr!
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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 02:37:01 am: haha, you don\'t need to play the game - just relax and stay as far from those dmandable crystals as you can :)
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 04:24:51 am: Sorry Drilixer, no smithies here. I see you\'ve been reading the \"New Guild\" thread of mine, you\'re free to start the Drilixer Association of Crafting if you want :P

This group covers tavern dwellers (cooks, innkeeps, musicians), and merchants, of course if you start Drilixer Smithing Inc. that would be a business. But you don\'t have to be a merchant or taverner to join. As I said above the association might even be used like a bank too.
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Post by: Kiern on August 04, 2003, 04:52:06 am: Just a question Monketh...how do rogues fit into the whole thing? They don\'t seem to go along with the theme you have...am I missing something?

Oh, good to see another \"not-a-guild\" (;)) around...maybe the devs will start thinking of giving us support now :P
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 05:09:38 am: Ok, so maybe rogues aren\'t that important. Though one could expect some of them to hang around taverns, more like informants I guess.
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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 05:20:43 am: \'not a guilds\'

there are others? hmm... being able to join multiple guilds would definately be useful. But if you were to get some official support and it wasnt in the way of a guild... what would you want for your \'not a guild\'?
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 05:38:04 am: /association of course Drilixer, \"/association Monketh\'s Tavern & Merchant Association\" preferably. An Ability to /guild style chat with other members in game without leaving LW too. And a forum, but that\'s my job.

Edit: Well the Idea is associations are looser. So you are obligated to do what you said you would, but mostly it\'s volunteered. Where as in guilds you get orders (sometimes). As well as the fact that associations wouldn\'t give as much benefit as a guild. The whole \"An Ability to /guild style chat with other members in game\" is because I hate using /tell to hold a multi-sided conversation (trust me it\'s hard).
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Post by: Drilixer on August 04, 2003, 06:00:09 am: If you ask the devs to make \'associations\' exactly like guilds, but with different spelling... well you know the answer you will get

what will be the difference between associations and guilds? The ability to join more than one at a time?
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Post by: Kiern on August 04, 2003, 07:04:39 am: I\'m not sure what Monketh plans...but The BISM (my organization) has been around for a long time and I have posted many ideas in the wish list that would come with support for us...if we were not then there would be no reason to put them in the game.

For an example, here is an idea I had a while back:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=2038&boardid=11&styleid=3&page=1

Again, I\'m not sure what Monketh plans and as this is a thread about his association/organization, I will not post the differences as I view them.
Title: Are we all just mixed up?
Post by: Half_Pint on August 04, 2003, 07:19:05 am: I personally think that all this talk of guilds and associations is the reverse of what it should be. Traditionally, a guild was a group of specialists in a specific profession. (basically what you are calling \"associations\" and \"not-guilds\"). It would be more appropriate to label most of the current \"guilds\" as associations. For example, the Black Order and Hellsing don\'t fit the traditional description of guilds. They are more an organization of people of many professions who have the same beliefs and goals for the game.

I think that a person should be allowed to belong to a proper guild for their profession, as well as a faction.
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 05:16:04 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Half_Pint
I personally think that all this talk of guilds and associations is the reverse of what it should be. Traditionally, a guild was a group of specialists in a specific profession. (basically what you are calling \"associations\" and \"not-guilds\"). It would be more appropriate to label most of the current \"guilds\" as associations. For example, the Black Order and Hellsing don\'t fit the traditional description of guilds. They are more an organization of people of many professions who have the same beliefs and goals for the game.

I think that a person should be allowed to belong to a proper guild for their profession, as well as a faction.

I couldn\'t have said it better.
I\'m still working out the details of how to run my \"association\" in my head, I\'ll head over to the BISM to check it out when I get the time.
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Post by: Yann on August 04, 2003, 05:51:04 pm: Very good post indeed, Half-Pint.

Btw if you take Shadowhand (for exemple :D ), it fits the traditional description of a guild: rogues working together.

K i ll stop there cause i don t want to be accused of \"off topic guild promotion\" :evil:

PS: Don\'t worry Monketh, you will get rogues around your tavern... Anyway we are everywhere...
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Post by: Kiern on August 04, 2003, 05:57:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Half_Pint
I personally think that all this talk of guilds and associations is the reverse of what it should be.

Yes, but from other games people get the wrong idea. And since these guilds are already setup as guilds, we can\'t really shut them down and tell them that they cannot be guilds, then a lot of people would just leave.

That was basically the reason that I created The BISM as an organization, not just so we could get more members through not being a guild but because if people saw the word \"guid\" they would associate us with the others...which just would not work out.

(once again, I\'m really not trying to advertise, sorry)
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Post by: seperot on August 04, 2003, 07:18:14 pm: :D well as long as thers booze im happy to be there :D
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Post by: Monketh on August 04, 2003, 10:24:27 pm: As I said earlier, we will most likely have some sort of credit. (Drink now, pay later) And of course Seperot, as there\'s taverns you won\'t have to worry. As long as you eventually pay ur bill :P (or unless they make some sort of prohibition for RPing reasons, ie:to make smugglers usefull)

PS: Good to see you on the main forums sep. :)
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Post by: Monketh on August 06, 2003, 04:01:15 pm: Ok, I have some Ideas,

-The give command is great why not have a bank?
=Members (employees) could log out and log in on request (pay would be involved

-Bargain list
-Classifieds
-scammer list
-approved/sggested list
-accountant (we\'ll need one probably : P)
-Weapon loans & rent to own

--Message board

Edit: feedback please ppl
Title: How to Join
Post by: Monketh on August 07, 2003, 06:14:29 pm: Well, looks like I\'ve got my 5 members. To join please register with guildware and post in here...
http://planeshift.guildware.net/index.pl...5&forumID=2

Thank you your support,
Monketh

Btw, If you want the name changed, now\'s the time to speak up.

Post Script: Sorry if it sounds a little pre-made :P

Btw, I saw my feedback, it\'s in the wrong thread! :)

Edit:Lol, the link doesn\'t work, shoulda known. Post yer reply in the \"GUILD REQUEST sorta...\" thread.
Thank you.

Edit: Yep, the above is now obsolete,
http://www33.brinkster.com/monkethtma/ is the new Location thx to Dorbian. :)
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Post by: Empanado on August 12, 2003, 04:30:57 am: Btw monketh, i see that you\'re creating a page, that\'s cool. If you need artwork for it (Not web design!!! For God\'s Sake not WEB DESIGN!!!) i can help. Y\'know, like a pic for the [enter] page or stuff.
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Post by: Monketh on August 12, 2003, 04:37:18 am: I probably could use some, could you give me a sample? Btw, Dorbian is both hosting and designing it. (Thx dorbian!) I can make or find basic stuff but I\'d be glad to have help (any kind of help).
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Post by: Empanado on August 12, 2003, 04:46:30 am: ummm... you could see some stuff here:
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/j/u/juanpablo/

Note that this page is pretty old, and i\'ve improved a lot my technique since then, but at least it shows you the worst i can do it :P
actually i have no scanner, but i can also do some pics with flash MX. I know it\'s no way in hell proffesional work, but hey, it\'s something. I don\'t know how to post pics here, so plz tell me and i\'ll post a more recent one.
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Post by: Drilixer on August 12, 2003, 05:03:59 am: I like this one:

http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/loth/j/u/juanpablo/figura_warlock.jpg.html
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Post by: seperot on August 12, 2003, 09:26:31 am: that an idea my site needs some sort of logo i would love something im a bit broke now but i will pay what i can :D
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Post by: Drilixer on August 12, 2003, 09:50:39 pm: Quote
Originally posted by seperot
that an idea my site needs some sort of logo i would love something im a bit broke now but i will pay what i can :D

hehe, I don\'t think he\'d be mean enough to charge you :P
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Post by: Empanado on August 13, 2003, 01:12:42 am: Quote
Originally posted by Drilixer

hehe, I don\'t think he\'d be mean enough to charge you :

Are you sure? >:D>:D
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Post by: Drilixer on August 14, 2003, 04:46:23 am: Quote
Originally posted by Empanado
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Originally posted by Drilixer

hehe, I don\'t think he\'d be mean enough to charge you :

Are you sure? >:D>:D

I could be wrong :D
Title: Banner/logo/sig prototype
Post by: Monketh on August 19, 2003, 02:06:31 am: Wohoo! Gimp is awesome! (If you can\'t tell I got it 30 minutes ago)
Anyway,
http://www.geocities.com/sgtfunkymonkey/mtma_banner.txt
Note:Bitmap to preserve look
What do you think?
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Post by: zaphar on August 19, 2003, 03:08:43 am: welcome to the wonderful world of Open Source Image software.

Gimp truly rocks. Motion picture studios use its cousin FilmGimp on their pictures. same program just with some extra features.