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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Annah on August 28, 2003, 09:22:05 pm
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The time has come!
There are too many beginners who come and start their own guild ? guilds that don?t even know what Planeshift is ? guilds that don?t even have a history or a goal. They came in these realms and they behave like they are here since the beginning. This must be stopped.
And what is worse ? is that nobody does anything. This will change from now on! I really hadn?t something with them (I knew that in the end they will disappear, like most did) but today Black Order?s web site was hacked! For a few hours it was down. I have a list of suspects but I will keep it secret until I will find the true ?criminal? ? I don?t want to make false accuses. Also someone tried to hack my and Kulok?s PC.
I will not tolerate something like this! It is war ? prepare yourself. You?ve messed with the wrong guild!
I really don?t care if no one wants to join our cause, we can take care of everything, but the ones who will join us will not be forgotten!
(I really tried hard to remake the BO?s image after the mistakes I did in the past. But I see it was in vain. I won?t care what will happen after this. I only want to say that we are and we will always be a neutral guild, but now measures must be taken.
GOOD ? EVIL? Everyone is both ? everyone strive for power, only the ways differs. You won?t see an evil person walking on a road killing everyone who appears in front of him. And if a good person is in war, for his enemies he will be considered the evil that must be eradicated. What we will do now maybe it will be considered EVIL by many ? but think a little ? others will consider it a GOOD thing, we are only defending. So, who is the evil, or the good? I only want to say that we were forced to do this!)
THE REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN!
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I also want to say that I called to the company that hosts our web site, and the IP of the attacker was logged in a text file. They will search, find it and give it to us ... then beware!
I also heard that COL was hacked some time ago too ... if it\'s the same guild ... grrr !
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Jeh, u go girl! :D (yeayea, i know, he\'s not a girl...)
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I dunno... I\'ve always seen Annah as a woman in my imagination... it\'s hard for me to write \'he\' when i talk about/to her... I mean him
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Alright we have been through this before and it is STUPID to hack and damage anyones computers,accounts and software over a disagreement with a guild.It is immature and it will be stopped.What is being done is Illegal and what for?... a guild fight..KNOCK IT OFF. And as for BO we have had our disagreements too but i will back them up regarding finding the culprit responsible.Any guild dispute should be done ingame..and not cause destruction.
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So, should I understand that Arcane Order will support us in our war ? And please try to use \"HE\" ... even if it\'s hard :P
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No Annah, AO is neutral bystander in this, just wanted to cheer you ;)
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Thanks for the support Sabre ...
You know I will help you with the ones that did it to CoL ... :)
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Ok Tepsu ... But I am happy to see that Arcane Order is not involved. To speak the truth, you were the 1st guild that came in my head when all happened.
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so tell me Annah... what do you intend to do to the hackers? :P
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Hmm, i know we are not the closest friends, but still AO is not involved in hacking and i\'m amazed your first thought was in AO...
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Drilixer, sure I won\'t do the same. Revenge is a fool\'s weapons. I only want to change some things ...
And I know for sure that is involved a newbie guild (heard a few talking so \"nicely\" about us :P )
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!#@Warning@#! ?#@Warning@#!
All newbs attempting to create a guild or approach the BO will be shot!!!!!!!
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alright... but AO is neutral so anyone reading/taking part just forget about this Kran :D
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Originally posted by _Atticus
!#@Warning@#! ?#@Warning@#!
All newbs attempting to create a guild or approach the BO will be shot!!!!!!!
ROFL - sorry sinking back into neatrality here
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i should take responsibility liek the taliban for the new york power outage hehehehe
but i played this game fro a week or 2 before i started the gm. i think that makes me a newb except the fact i have a lot of leader experience in guild in atitd and any other game i got into. and so far it hasn\'t flopped. we still need anybody we can get (some restrictions may apply)
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Oh yea Atticus ... WE WILL \"KILL\" THEM ALL ! :P
I also wanted to say that Atticus will leave the Black Order Guild. The only thing I can say is I agreed with him in this matter, and he will have a BIG retirement from BO. I hope he will never forget BO is his home ... isn\'t that right Atticus?
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Evanchild ... no exceptions will be made!
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D YEP :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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or you could just hold us hostage ina way. we make you so much wood every month or u come storm the camp and kill us all.
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The hackers will be caught and punnished and if anyone needs my help in punnishing them i\'ll help. How ever i see no proof that anyone in the PS community hacked the site. of course its most plausable that the hacker is within the comunity.
But i do not see anything wrong with the new guilds springing up,, some will eventually merge, others will die, and others will grow like we (FSO) did. They should be alowed to try to make there mark on the PS world. Who is it hurting that new players aren\'t alowed to make new guilds? half of them wont pass the ps rules for guilds and the ones that do will most likely survive.
i just don\'t see the problem with new guilds and people make more. THEY WILL KILL THEMSELVES OFF OR SURVIVE no one made it your directive to kill them off.
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Originally posted by Evanchild
or you could just hold us hostage ina way. we make you so much wood every month or u come storm the camp and kill us all.
yeah as soon as combat is introduced... you have half a year to run Evan... oh yeah you\'ll have to wait that long for more land to be made as well :D
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Mirth Guild will support you in actions against the person/guild that hacked you.
I don\'t think general war on newbie guilds is necessary. :D
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Annah...you always make these boards much more interesting :D
And Annah made it his own \"directive\" it\'s his guild I mean, whether or not it\'s smart doesn\'t really matter
EDIT: And Annah, if you find out who did it PM me and I will make myself useful ;)
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hackers okay we\'ll support anyone who is hacked
but trying to kill of other guilds goes beond sanity
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What gives \"you\" the right to \"destroy\" all new guilds??
You were new once.. Oh i forgot, you are different...
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wait...who gives out rights?
Annah can do what he wants as long as it is not illegal, and I\'m sure he will be making exceptions for the guilds he sees as good.
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Er thats just a figure of speech, you know to show a negative feeling to something somebody has done
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Lol this thread is awesome. It really adds to the aura of the forums, doesn\'t it? :D
Anyway, Mirth Guild will not support war against any newbie guilds unless - very big unless - there is proof that the individual guild is griefing, hacking, etc.
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Hi Sabrewolf,
Just as we supported COL when they were hacked we in principle denounce the hacking, if it was one since we have only Annah\'s claim that it has been done. So IF this is true we condemn it in the strongest possible terms! But as Tepsu rightly says we are neutral and will not enter any campaing, battle or crusade unless we are attacked!
There are too many beginners who come and start their own guild ? guilds that don?t even know what Planeshift is ? guilds that don?t even have a history or a goal. They came in these realms and they behave like they are here since the beginning. This must be stopped.
Well now, now Annah. Something smells rotten here again! You start off on a crusade against \"new guilds of beginners who ... don\'t even know what Planeshift is\". Quite frankly who the hell do you think you are? You pompous .... S**! Where is it written that newcomers are restricted by the likes of you? You\'ve been here long enough that you should not have to feel threatened by other new guilds. However, it is clear to everybody that you are sh*tting in your pants because some newer guilds are growing whilst your own guild seems to be struggling to say the least. This is especially obvious since you took over with your \"different\" leadership :baby: (sic) style.
So your crusade against newcomers and new guilds SUX! Quite frankly my opinion of you, already at rock bottom before this, has just gone through the basement. All of this seems to be nothing other than yet another pathetic attempt to attract attention to yourself, not BO just Annah KING of BO. I really feel sorry for BO as a guild and the other members (OMG this must be embarrasing for them.)
At least Annah, you have shown your true colors, once a-bl**dy-gain! We know that you are envious of newer guilds that do well and would like to see them crushed as you obviously take it personally. Well maybe you should ship your ego off to Mars, then again that planet is too small maybe Jupiter will do?
Message to the rest of BO: we have nothing against you or your guild. Unfortunately your leader is really dragging your name through the mud, lets hope this will end soon one way or another ......
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Originally posted by Half_Pint
Lol this thread is awesome. It really adds to the aura of the forums, doesn\'t it? :D
aura? don\'t you mean stench?
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Nicely said wolfie, a bit strong but nicely said. I think this shows the level of feeling flying around with this. I\'d also like to say I denounce any hacking but agree with the sentiment of wolf.:evil:
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Originally posted by Isgrimnur
Nicely said wolfie, a bit strong but nicely said. I think this shows the level of feeling flying around with this. I\'d also like to say I denounce any hacking but agree with the sentiment of wolf.:evil:
*thinking deeply* sounds good to me
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i believe annah said id never make a guild or someting pf the sort. me being my onorganized made a cool site and stuff. now we just need members which are hard to get because there aren\'t many ppl active in planeshift.
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totally agree with wolf
god annah is going to kill us.
:D :D :D
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Originally posted by windwalker
totally agree with wolf
god annah is going to kill us.
:D :D :D
*Drilixer sits up and begins sharpening his battleaxes while keeping his eyes on the horizon*
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Yeah Dril you do that! Mommy is going to need you so bad, we have to do some drain-cleaning soon .... :D
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*Drilixer sits up and begins sharpening his battleaxes while keeping his eyes on the horizon*
*hides behind drilixer*
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Originally posted by Isgrimnur
*hides behind drilixer*
*notices Isgrimnur and pats him on the head*
\"everything will be fine... you wouldnt happen to have any armor would you?\"
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Let me get this straight lol..we also don\'t condone \"Newb Guild Genocide\" as it seems to be the Base of the thread..We are jjust here to aid in hacker finding..not guild squashing.We are going to let the guilds succeed or fail on their own.We arent into starting guildwars either unless attacked.If the hackers do turn out to be a guild well then ..thats a little different but to just kill ALL the guilds is absurd.
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Originally posted by Sabrewulf
Let me get this straight lol..we also don\'t condone \"Newb Guild Genocide\" as it seems to be the Base of the thread..We are jjust here to aid in hacker finding..not guild squashing.We are going to let the guilds succeed or fail on their own.We arent into starting guildwars either unless attacked.If the hackers do turn out to be a guild well then ..thats a little different but to just kill ALL the guilds is absurd.
ah I feal like we just entered the UN and some 4th world nation (Annah) is trying to get permission for genocide to the [less than surprised] shock of the other memmber nations
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Its a bit like:
\"You hit me so I\'m going to kill you and everybody thats like you, and their friends and family and anybody else who happened to be nearby at the time\"
OK maybe not except the first bit
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Jeese how did i miss all this?
some seriose spy butt kicking is in order and some hacker finding to be umm.....found
i feel kind bad seeming my sites main thing is to stop this stuff
any/all info you got so far would help.....
now about my spys **grabs galkard and marches off**
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Originally posted by seperot
Jeese how did i miss all this?
some seriose spy butt kicking is in order and some hacker finding to be umm.....found
i feel kind bad seeming my sites main thing is to stop this stuff
any/all info you got so far would help.....
now about my spys **grabs galkard and marches off**
yeah go get em... what will you do about em anyways Sep?
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dunno yet i have to think first **sits back in demonic chair and laughs madly**
well like i sayed any info so far would help me along
{edit}if you meant my spys beat them very hard with little remorse
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Hi seperot,
Again we agree about hacking and hackers. However, you did not declare where you stand on the \"noble\" cause of destroying all new guilds 8o
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well me thinks a more sutibule idea would work....like say you have had to play the game for a month befor making a guild so in that sence yea sure also included is the hacker noobs guilds they should all burn violent deaths :evil:
so im all for helping as much as i can
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I\'m still not sur where you stand Seperot, sure death to hackers but to all new guilds??????
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well if the new guild is made by members that have been around awhile then its fine but these newbie play for a day make a guild thing is not right it causes chaos and confusion so i say dont kill em but cripple them so they can heal up with much more expiciance to build it (if they still whant to)
so bacicly the current newbie guild should not be around cause its just dont work
btw i thought it was the things that you need 10 members to start the guild ect.....what happend to that ?
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I must warn any guild(s) that choose to make a crusade out of destroying new guilds, other guilds would not take kindly to such actions. Where do you draw the line? After you destroy the 1 month old guilds, do you destroy the 1 year old ones? No guild could sit by and watch as the competition withers away; these actions could result in guild wars of unimagineable size and scope; no guild could stand on the sidelines.
I don\'t speak as a member of a guild, only as a player of this game. I would hate to see the world that I care so deeply for to fall into perpetual conflict.
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As usual grakrim is right. (Darn it, he\'s always right!)
Explanation of the Seperot Policy for the Policing of Newbie guilds:
Basically, you can not start a guild until you have been playing for one month. All guild creators \"Newber\" than that will have to wait or face consequences. This policy isn\'t too bad actually.
I will oppose any guild to take Annah\'s drastic measures. I\'m sure there will be even more resistance as well. Newbie\'s are inoccent until proven guilty, downgrading of anyone with a \"Shoot first, ask questions later\" policy will begin immedietly. :evil:
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btw i thought it was the things that you need 10 members to start the guild ect.....what happend to that ?
That still stands Seperot to be an oficial guild in-game on has to have 10 members, the leader has to submit it to the Devs and then the members have to go in-game to be added to the guild by the leader.
So now let\'s look at the \"logic\" ?( of this \"noble\" cause of destroying all new guilds. How in the name of all the gods are guilds supposed to get to 10 members in order to get official if they are not allowed to start up, survive grow and prosper because some power-hungry egotistical maniac moron wants to \"Kill\" them all and \"destroy\" them? PS is supposed to be a community in the spirit of open source, free and all are welcome. Now, however there is this idiotic drive to kill of newby guilds and squash all initiative just to satisfy the ego trip of some poor sod that cannot handle competition. I mean really give me a break .... can we really tolerate that kind of behaviour?
I must warn any guild(s) that choose to make a crusade out of destroying new guilds, other guilds would not take kindly to such actions. Where do you draw the line? After you destroy the 1 month old guilds, do you destroy the 1 year old ones? No guild could sit by and watch as the competition withers away; these actions could result in guild wars of unimagineable size and scope; no guild could stand on the sidelines. I don\'t speak as a member of a guild, only as a player of this game. I would hate to see the world that I care so deeply for to fall into perpetual conflict.
Thank Heavens we have players like you around Grakrim, at least some sanity around here. Some ppl think that just because they have been around for a long time it should accord them some kind of special status. When they don\'t get the \"respect\" they themselves believe they are entitled to, they start throwing their toys out of the playpen, hence this wonderful thread ....
Annah you better start to retract your stupid campain or it will cost you dearly in the end, this is shooting yourself in the foot BIG TIME. Quite frankly I am past the point of worrying about what you do to yourself but think of the consequences for BO and its members.
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Ok people, I\'m reading Annah\'s post much differently then everyone here is...you all have seen his other posts, and sometimes he says things wrong, but so far I\'ve read this post and I don\'t see that he says ALL new guilds...he says guilds who do not even now what PS is or respect it, not just any new guild.
I may be wrong...but until Annah comes on and says so, I would suggest that these pointless posts stop (Annah has already said he doesn\'t care what you all say...) and just wait for his reply.
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Basically, you can not start a guild until you have been playing for one month. All guild creators \"Newber\" than that will have to wait or face consequences. This policy isn\'t too bad actually.
Ok that explains it better, I see the point. I\'m not sure I agree with it though. Many ppl that come to PS have been playing MMORPG\'s for years and many have been part off and/or led guilds somewhere else. They have more experience than someone who might have been in PS a month or longer. So the criteria in my view is snobbish. Natural selection is a very effective way of sorting guilds out. Good ones with active and committed members will survive and prosper. Bad ones without what it takes will fail, end of story. I simply don\'t see the need for this \"Let\'s-hate-all-Noob\'s\" attitude. How about making them feel welcome, anybody thought of that?
If one has a good strong guild with active members, not just ones on paper btw, one would not need to feel threatened by newby\'s or new guilds or for that matter a new guild started by a newby(s). Annah wants to destroy all NEW GUILDS, that most certainly includes Arcane Order that has grown very fast, has many active members and is already an official guild though still fairly new as guild. Annah is p\'ed off by that and the fact that our members have shown him up for what he is and commented on his ridiculous actions on many occasions.
The point of this entire thread being started was NOT to stop newbies from starting new guilds. Rather, Annah wants revenge and, once again, to attract attention to himself. He seems to need that like a junkie needs heroin! So this whole farce is about trying to blame us for this hacking he claims happened. If there was a hacking time will bear out that AO had nothing to do with any of it but that would not matter \'cause Annah now has, in his mind, an excuse to go after \"the competition\".
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ah i think you missed one thing if ever person newbie or other makes a guild planeshift will be stuck with one man strifes aganced each other by limiting them it gives them time to settle in get to know people my idea is a way of cutting the possibul flow of \"lets create a guild for me and my freind\" and mabie let other guilds fill there ranks
idk im rabbling its midnight im tried give me a break
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Originally posted by Kiern
he says guilds who do not even now what PS is or respect it, not just any new guild.
ROFL how can you say that?! His guild doesn\'t even follow that simple guidlines... BO is a Planeshift and MORTIK guild! how can you roleplay that? That sort of \'guild\' which \'crosses\' between games is usually either all about powergaming or ooc-players... I\'d love to see how they explain how their guild exists in both games simultaneously in-character... And no I wouldn\'t believe any such reasonings if I was buried in them :P
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erm...do you not play more then one mmorpg at one time?
I\'m not going to keep defending Annah, as I\'m not sure I even agree with him until he makes it more clear...and besides it\'s not my job...I\'m just saying wait a little bit as it is getting annoying everyone posting \"We hate Annah, etc. etc.\" I think everyone gets the picture, and all your really doing is arguing with someone who already said he does not care.
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look if he is going to post about \'going to war\' he should expect just a little negative feedback and be able to take a stance against such feedback. Did he think we would all be gungho about knocking off the \'newbie guilds\'?
I think it is safe to say that most of the guilds currently in existence are in full support of any and all new guild efforts since they add to the depth of this community. Wolfmane and the Arcane Order have shown a commitment to encouraging the foundation of new guilds... Annah\'s statement is completely unwarranted. And even worse, we havn\'t been givin any reason to believe the hacker story at this point. If Annah is to come forward with anything at all, he should at least bring such evidence to light.
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well than venge should deleat this thread and we should never talk to annah becuase he don\'t care
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Originally posted by windwalker
well than venge should deleat this thread and we should never talk to annah becuase he don\'t care
haha, that part is sort of confusing... why would you \'go to war\' if you don\'t care? I forgot that part in my last post.
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no,, he cares about destroying whatever he want to destroy
he just doesnt care what we say.
so why did he make the thread?
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Originally posted by Annah
I am an Episcopalian Bishop and a Catholic Priest. My favorite singers are Queen, The Village People, Elton John, and Boy George (he\'s hot!). I have a red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet mini-car; With several teletubbies hanging from my Dash - of course! And every day I watch Martha Stewart Living and Oprah... oh my god! They are just fantastic!
Now we understand ;)
(Disclaimer: for those of you that are utterly confused at this point - Annah did not actually say that... just a little comic liscence)
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Don\'t put your words in other people\'s mouth, faggot. Now back on topic! 8o
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muahahah - well if he doesn\'t care to talk here we might as well -> it is his thread afterall. If he starts something like this he should at least follow through with it.
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Knowing Annah he probably will.
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Originally posted by Drilixer
Originally posted by Half_Pint
Lol this thread is awesome. It really adds to the aura of the forums, doesn\'t it? :D
aura? don\'t you mean stench?
Actually, at the time I posted it this was a pretty amusing post. It certainly makes the forums more interesting.
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This seems too long, but somewhat entertaining, someone, quickly describe the just of it.
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ey if someone cracked your guild i\'m gonna help u kick their asses i want to see their heads pierced on a pole on hydlaa plazaa hmmm angre bad counsil but it feels great.
oh and the problem is if they where good the ip you have is fake not their\'s it\'s from a box or someone who\'s innocent ( trust me i\'ve been their done that but cracking is boring )
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I\'ll once again state the fact that what seems to be happening here is that Annah has defeated his attempts to rally people behind him against the hackers (if they exist, waiting for evidence) with this notion that new upstart guilds should be destroyed. This notion has rightly outraged anybody that cares for the social development of PS, instead of their anger being channeled at those criminals who think they can attack anothers computer as I think Annah intended.
If I can council Annah with some advice, respond to this thread and temper your remarks otherwise you are going to get a lot of lifelong enemies. Think of whats best for your Guild and Planeshift in the long run and not petty random revenge.
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*sigh* your not making it easy for me.....now im going to have to invstigate the hacking ever whent on and if it did then im going to have to find the hackers...
btw i decided to do the sencibul thing and report the hackes (once i found em) to some where that finds this annoying people and shuts em down. seems like the most reasonable option (mc aeff or whatever you spell it)
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Hiya ... I think you\'re all waiting for this reply.
First of all (I thank to Kiern for saying everything he said), Kiern is right. You always seem to see my posts different than others (esspecially Wolfmane) ... I never said I will destroy all guilds, why the he*l should I do that? Where it will be the fun then ...
I only said that many guilds are created everyday, guilds with maximum 3 - 4 members, guilds without being here without a reason or a goal. I said I want to stop THEM!!! not all newbie guilds (I even like some newbie guilds ... !!! ). Maybe now is more clear for some of you.
And, what I am always doing is not made only with my accord. We have a High Council that votes for everything ... So ... what I say ... BLACK ORDER SAYS!
And with the hackers ... I was really furious. This will not be tolerated.
somone said this:
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I must warn any guild(s) that choose to make a crusade out of destroying new guilds, other guilds would not take kindly to such actions. Where do you draw the line? After you destroy the 1 month old guilds, do you destroy the 1 year old ones? No guild could sit by and watch as the competition withers away; these actions could result in guild wars of unimagineable size and scope; no guild could stand on the sidelines.
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Where do you heard I said I will do that? .. \\o/ .. you guys really have a HUGE imagination. I wonder why you don\'t look for work ... as a game designer.
Once again ... Kiern I thank you very much.
I think this is all ... want more? Just ask ... and don\'t ever say you want that kinds of guilds I want to get rid (they bring PS down!!!)
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And beside ... I saw my post was really liked. I just wanted to spice things a little ... to bring something new to the forums .. and it worked.
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Originally posted by Annah
And beside ... I saw my post was really liked. I just wanted to spice things a little ... to bring something new to the forums .. and it worked.
I\'m sorry but that just seems a bit ridiculous
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Originally posted by Drilixer
Originally posted by Annah
And beside ... I saw my post was really liked. I just wanted to spice things a little ... to bring something new to the forums .. and it worked.
I\'m sorry but that just seems a bit ridiculous
Indeed. I don\'t think Jerry Springer himself could have \"spiced things up a little\" any better. Ever cosidered being a talk show host, Annah?
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although Madonna, Britney, and Christina could :D *howls like a wolf*
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You see !!!
Read the first reply I made, not the 2nd ... that is important. After other replies you will say back that I didn\'t say that .. or that .. or that!
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Hmm .. anyway thanks .. I think I will become a talk show presenter 8)
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my guild will frotect newer guilds in the armor\'s free time. protect not encourage war but to help them set up. kind fo to ensure new business :)
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it hink what annah\'s problem was the unclearness between a newb, and a noob
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noob is a useless mroon and newb is just new and you can\'t help being new unless your way is to never start.
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War on n00bs is one thing, but on newbs is another. Mirth will take a look at each guild individually and decide which is which. If a guild is griefing and being total n00bs deliberately we may take action against that specific guild.
Helping and protecting newbs is one of the main goals of Mirth, and any action by the BO against a guild that doesnt deserve it will result in intervention from Mirth Guild.
I\'m sure that Annah will be reasonable, though. :D
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hmm...I think some people owe Annah an apology ;)
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I don\'t :P
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i don\'t and if i do i\'ll just send him/her/maphrodite anthrax ina letter or a car bomb works too
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I agree with Kiern. What Annah said in the first post in this thread was certainly badly worded, but there\'s no reason to be hostile because of it.
With his new posts Annah has explained his meaning, and I see nothing wrong with his explanation.
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ah, so drilixer and evanchild are going to continue to act like jerks even when you both were wrong? I guess that shows what kind of people you are
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a jerky one younk younk :)
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Originally posted by Kiern
ah, so drilixer and evanchild are going to continue to act like jerks even when you both were wrong? I guess that shows what kind of people you are
now that\'s ridiculous as well... This was just another lousy PR stunt by Annah. And no... since he said himself that he wanted to \'spice things up\'. I will not believe that the newbie genocide plan was a poorly worded slip of the tongue... *errr* keyboard.
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Not a slip, I think he meant to say it. :P I just dont think the first post came out sounding quite like Annah wanted it to.
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Originally posted by Half_Pint
Not a slip, I think he meant to say it. :P I just dont think the first post came out sounding quite like Annah wanted it to.
no, and therefor it is HIM owing an apology... not us/them/whoever...
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I leave for 2 days, and GOOD GOD! You start declaring war on one another (not literally). This thread is full of flames, just not incredibly obvious ones? I attribute this to my absence; I am obviously the glue that holds this community together :P
Anyway, the Mercenaries are remaining firmly neutral, or would of done had any major conflict come out of this thread?
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Originally posted by Xalthar
no, and therefor it is HIM owing an apology... not us/them/whoever...
So he owes you an apology for you misunderstanding his post?
If I go through everyone of your posts, pick out all your mistakes and hold them against you until you apologize...would that make much sense?
No, it wouldn\'t, because I would have no reason to as you haven\'t attacked me and there would be little point...and Annah hasn\'t attacked you either, while almost everyone who has posted has flamed him (and they had no reason to, as they misunderstood the post), he has not flamed back...although, yeah, some of you disagreed with him without doing that...but others have not.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Originally posted by Xalthar
no, and therefor it is HIM owing an apology... not us/them/whoever...
So he owes you an apology for you misunderstanding his post?
If I go through everyone of your posts, pick out all your mistakes and hold them against you until you apologize...would that make much sense?
No, it wouldn\'t, because I would have no reason to as you haven\'t attacked me and there would be little point...and Annah hasn\'t attacked you either, while almost everyone who has posted has flamed him (and they had no reason to, as they misunderstood the post), he has not flamed back...although, yeah, some of you disagreed with him without doing that...but others have not.
Originally posted by Annah
The time has come!
There are too many beginners who come and start their own guild ? guilds that don?t even know what Planeshift is ? guilds that don?t even have a history or a goal. They came in these realms and they behave like they are here since the beginning. This must be stopped.
And what is worse ? is that nobody does anything. This will change from now on! I really hadn?t something with them (I knew that in the end they will disappear, like most did)
Considering this \"statement\", I consider it easy to misunderstand the reason behind annah\'s post...
If you didn\'t read what comes after this with EXTREME care, you WILL misunderstand.. because what he wrote was very unclear.
what I got out of it at first was that he attacked all new guilds, then I understood he was after all new guilds that are able to hack, then I \"found out\" that he was only after the people who hacked him...
why on earth, then, put in something about new guilds/people??? I know from other \"sources\" that he doesn\'t like new people that don\'t show the him the proper \"respect\" because he\'s been here from the \"start\"..
being here from the \"start\" does by NO means give you the right to attack all new guilds, and be mean to newbs.. I would have thought that one such as you knew that..
But all in all I don\'t really care if people understand, or misunderstand his post, for I don\'t care if his site was hacked (or not)...
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i think all guilds have a goal but mine has no history for this is its begining.
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Originally posted by Xalthar
being here from the \"start\" does by NO means give you the right to attack all new guilds, and be mean to newbs.. I would have thought that one such as you knew that..
No... I don\'t think they understand that. There are a few people that don\'t seem to be dealing well with the more recent fanbase. If they want us to respect them they should become developers themselves or promote the new fans... but sitting around and moping over lost times and newer players is tiresome.
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Yes ... I think I need some apologies ... You said some nasty things, but I didn\'t want to response ... I ignored you. You did the opposite ... you showed your true faces ...
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Originally posted by Annah
Yes ... I think I need some apologies ... You said some nasty things, but I didn\'t want to response ... I ignored you. You did the opposite ... you showed your true faces ...
:P
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Right Drilixer!
:P <---My true face :D
I\'m sorry Annah, but please read your posts before you post them to check if others will understand. Btw, your excessive use of \"...\" is confuzzing me.
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Yup ... I really like the \"...\" 8)
I think is like a sig for me ... hehe
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hah...don\'t respect me all you like, I\'m not looking for it...that isn\'t the point of my post and if you can\'t see that and only see my join date then I see little reason to go on about it, and from seeing this I see little reason why Annah should (if he does)
I don\'t know, but having joined earlier seems to be more of a handicap then being new is, everyone is willing to help/listen to new people. My posts have always been like this, new and not.
And Drilixer, stop spamming...it has been said many times (buy the NEW fans) that one smiley answers are spam and should be deleted
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Originally posted by Kiern
And Drilixer, stop spamming...it has been said many times (buy the NEW fans) that one smiley answers are spam and should be deleted
hehe, like his \'I deserve appologies\' was any less spam... :P since he made the \'show your faces\' comment I believe my post was apporpriate... and itmust have been since both Monketh and Annah posted just after that with their \'faces\'
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As for Kierns agreement on spam maybe he should be saying the same thing about a lot of other peoples posts. Either he doesn\'t like you dril or hes worried that you\'ll have more posts than him soon.
The purpose of this post,
THINK BEFORE YOU POST
That should be listened to by everybody including myself sometimes!!
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heh...see what I mean by handicaps? I have nothing against drilixer other then certain posts I disagree with, which is the same with most anybody...I would go aroudn telling people to stop spamming, but that would just be stupid, I just included that because I was already posting about something else.
I didn\'t expect to be top-poster for this long at all, especially since I wasn\'t coming by the boards much after I got this high, but then Link was banned and Kada/Cyo stopped coming by as much and I was up here much longer then I thought.
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welll then how this thread go ahead and be closed so that it can\'t cause any more problems
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Originally posted by Kiern
hah...don\'t respect me all you like, I\'m not looking for it...that isn\'t the point of my post and if you can\'t see that and only see my join date then I see little reason to go on about it, and from seeing this I see little reason why Annah should (if he does)
I\'m not going to comment on that, because the people that are in disagreement with annah are so for a reason... Reasons that I, personally, don\'t care much about..
But if he attacks my guild (and it\'s members) I won\'t stand by and see it become mocked into the ground (if that has ever been annahs intent)
And no, I don\'t much respect any of those who have been here longer than me, for I see no reason to do so.. You are all just people like myself (more or less) and deserve no special treatment.
furthermore, I see no reason to keep discussing this, nor any reason to give annah any form of apology...
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what? you just restated exactly what I said, older people should not get special treatment, but neither should they be accused of not liking the new community, I like some people here and others who are plenty new...that goes the same for post count which was settled.
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ok! now then lets go ahead and stop posting here and let this ship sink!
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Originally posted by Kiern
what? you just restated exactly what I said, older people should not get special treatment, but neither should they be accused of not liking the new community, I like some people here and others who are plenty new...that goes the same for post count which was settled.
I didn\'t restate what you said, because I was actually accusing him of not liking the new community...
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Geez, I cant believe I missed this one! 8o
We havent discussed this within SH, but what I can say for myself is that I will consider anyone who go on a \"newbiebashing hotstreack\" a worthless scum. A n00b-bashing, thats another story :)
Oh, and I think most people here owe each other an apology, and that includes BO and AO ;)
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I suggest you to let Kiern alone ... I really can\'t believe it. First you have something with me, and now you went to him? His messages were clear enough, so you\'ve made the same as me. And what you post Drillixer is really spam. Link posted for 2 years ... and you beat him in only 2 months - you see there is a diference.
And really no one told that us, the old guys should have some special treatment, you said that (you created this stuff) and now you support it like you did with all your mistakes.
CLEAR?
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Annah, why now start on Drilixer, just because he posts regularly doesn\'t mean that its all spam and should be ignored. He has soom valid points and feelings which he posts. Yes before you say, some of it is spam as we all post some including you but if it is a valid response showing your feelings let it be. As for getting on to Kiern, whos doing that, the only things I can see are Drilixer responding to Kiern\'s view on spam and then my joke, I don\'t class that as getting on to Kiern.
Yup ... I really like the \"...\"
Isnt that spam??
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Originally posted by Annah
I suggest you to let Kiern alone ... I really can\'t believe it. First you have something with me, and now you went to him? His messages were clear enough, so you\'ve made the same as me. And what you post Drillixer is really spam. Link posted for 2 years ... and you beat him in only 2 months - you see there is a diference.
And really no one told that us, the old guys should have some special treatment, you said that (you created this stuff) and now you support it like you did with all your mistakes.
CLEAR?
If it\'s me you are refering to, I\'m not going after Kiern, I\'m just defending my argument..
And the one starting the \"respect\" issue, was really annah... (albeit not on the forums)
I\'ve no further comments whatsoever to this (waste-of-time) thread, so I\'ll just bugger off and leave you with your petty arguments (if I wasn\'t the one keeping them alive :baby: :P)
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Oh ... This post was sure a lot cool without any Arcane Order member. From now on I think I will put a sign to say they are not allowed.
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Ah ... and don\'t ever say something I use \"...\" I said I like to use them. They represent me ... why do you think is spamm?
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Okay, so i\'ve been following this thread for some time now and all i can say about this community rubbish is that you are braking the community down! Right here and now. Too bad that you guys have to keep argue about these new-old, newb-noob, spam-not spam things. Just cut it out and go play, with a bit of luck you can give each other some nice chrismas presents if you catch my drift. ;)
And for the post count discussers: No i don\'t post a lot, but have been around for a month or 6. So don\'t give me that.
ROFL now i\'m being as ridiculous as you :D
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.. \\o/ .. maybe you are right.
And ... yup ... you\'re beginning to be ridicoulos
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Originally posted by Annah
Oh ... This post was sure a lot cool without any Arcane Order member. From now on I think I will put a sign to say they are not allowed.
heh... sorry we don\'t always agree with you Annah :P
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...locked out of my guild forum atm.. so jsut htought i\'d pop into the battle field....
wow wiaards hated already
QAS
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Originally posted by druke
...locked out of my guild forum atm.. so jsut htought i\'d pop into the battle field....
wow wiaards hated already
QAS
lol :D being hated by annah isn\'t really what I would discribe as \"a reason to be scared\" :P
QAS
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Tut tut Xalthar, those kinds of personal assaults is unnecessary :P
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It\'s no personal assault :P it\'s just teasing...
Besides, I have no reason (whatsoever) to dislike any people in this community, so I wouldn\'t go bashing out personal assaults in publics (or anywhere for that matter)
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Originally posted by Xalthar
It\'s no personal assault :P it\'s just teasing...
Besides, I have no reason (whatsoever) to dislike any people in this community, so I wouldn\'t go bashing out personal assaults in publics (or anywhere for that matter)
I know that, but I\'m not sure that everyone understand your sense of humor ;)