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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Bonez on September 09, 2003, 04:32:21 am
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A Story Long Forgotten
Just remember the names for they will be back!
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hmm...quit whining and get over it, it is your own fault...stop trying to make it seem like it\'s only because PS is still PRE-ALPHA, you sound like this is your first day here
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Tsk Tsk, Enraged.
You have no one to blame but yourself. It was the recent attacks against LW that brought your unsavory actions to my, and others in LW, attention(s). I was planning to leave well before Sep and Monk told me about their plans, and I\'m sure the thought crossed their minds before they organized. In fact, I was planning to say farewell to my guildmates on the very day I got word of the plans. We weren\'t the first to leave LW, and we certainly weren\'t the most important. Don\'t say that Sep stabbed you in the back, or anyone else. You planned to rid yourself of your reputation on PS anyway, by reforming LW and ruling under the psuedonym \"Ranger\". If the members of a guild wish to rise up against their leader, then what can you do to stop them? It was the perfect opportunity for a coup, and we took it. If Seperot was ever truly your friend, you wouldn\'t wish to embarrass him publically, as you\'ve tried in our thread in the guilds forum and again here. However, Sep is my friend, and I know what you say is false. Flaming a well-known figure in the community is certainly not a good way to end your career here, Enraged. You complain that Sep \"backstabbed\" you, yet you come here, in a public venue and try and embarrass him? You certainly can\'t expect to be treated any better than you treat your peers.
I\'m sorry that it had to come to this, Enraged. I wish you luck in your exploits in the future. Farewell.
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not once did i say a name now did i?
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not once did i say a name now did i?
well to be honast you most likely did because
well i just found one part with my name on it.....
but their leader enraged has plotted against by his good friend seperot
if you where a good friend you whould drop this complaning to everyone
so give us this whineing already your not fooling anyone
p.s.im doing what abemore is telling me and stoping bringing up points about this topic. so just stop enraged-bonez-ranger
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Raising issues isn\'t always a good idea. Trust me.
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Originally posted by Bonez
...Caeser was plotted against by his best friend and stabbed in the back by his friends and council...
You were not stabbed in the back as much as shot in the foot by your own actions... Playing the blame game is useless, what is done is done. Have the grace to accept responsibility where due. I am not saying it is all you, and I am not saying it was all others. There is rarely ever only one reason why things happen.
I\'m sorry to see you go, truly. But the end of LW means the start of other guilds and new beginnings. Rome fell into stagnation and died. Change keeps things fresh; it keeps us alive.
Best of luck all LW people, wherever you end up. Bonez, we haven\'t always seen eye to eye but in the end, wether good or bad, you were a major player. Already Planeshift has a colourful history, and it isn\'t even beta yet. Think on it. Not every end has to be bitter.
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I don\'t know the whole history, and i don\'t want to know more.
I read attacks (obviously anonymous) on LW forum.
Shame on yours who wrote without courage.
Enraged, you were my leader for a while, and i have appreciated that period. I quitted to follow Draklar-Clawhand. A few days later, i met Fredde, and i said \"you\'re a LW, you\'re a friend of mine\". So you are Enraged.
I regret what happens (RL is the same, isn\'t) and i hope to greet you soon as Enraged.
A bient?t
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Originally posted by Bonez
IS THIS THE END???
Now this is not the thing that i would like to see in the game. Therefore i believe this game is havin serious problems. The one from my point of view which sticks out the most is the lack of things to do. This results in conflict. The only reason there are criminals in there world is because they have nothing better to do. Planeshift was opened too soon so for me its been ruined, not the Planeshifts teams fault but the ppl who lack the ability to understand each other instead of fighting. The only thing thats happened to me is that people try to ruin me. So i feel that my time is up with planeshift, its no longer wat it used to be. Its been ruined for me. I guess this is goodbye for now, youll probably never hear from me in game and if i do decide to come back then ill start a new character and everything but i doubt that has happened.
I don\'t see how your internal problems are, in any way, related to the rest of the community... Sure, your breaking up is sad, but don\'t you think there was a good reason your members did so? I personally don\'t care if you play or not, but blaiming the community as a whole for things I don\'t see how we could be responsible for is just stupid.. And quitting on this game because of it, is childish...
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Is Bonez Enraged? If yes, why does he talk about himself in third person?
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Originally posted by Caldazar
Is Bonez Enraged? If yes, why does he talk about himself in third person?
Yes he is... I think he\'s a bit skizofrenic.. maybe, maybe not :P
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Originally posted by Xalthar
Originally posted by Caldazar
Is Bonez Enraged? If yes, why does he talk about himself in third person?
Yes he is... I think he\'s a bit skizofrenic.. maybe, maybe not :P
Indeed.. could someone fill me in what started all this? A couple of members quit and started their own guild, big deal?
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Originally posted by Caldazar
Indeed.. could someone fill me in what started all this? A couple of members quit and started their own guild, big deal?
hehe... \"a couple\" isn\'t the right word... almost all active members had left LW.
It has started over month ago, but few days ago all others left and formed Rangers guild. I guess it made Enraged a little upset ;)
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I can understand how he feels to some extent, but the only reason I can see to post it here is to \"ruin\" for the people that left LW. Can\'t say it affected me though. Guilds are formed and disbanded on a, almost, daily basis. That\'s life. People doesn\'t \'backstab\' someone just because they leave ones guild.
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draklar thats incorrect... i started the rangers guild cuz lw was gettin to big etc..
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Hm... you started it?
That\'s odd since Rangers website is http://www.SEPEROT.com/rangers + i was online when Rangers were created... you weren\'t there...
what do you mean by \'too big?\'
if you mean too many inactive members then you could just remove them you know...
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*Yawns*
Enraged remember you could always start anew right now, or any time as a matter of fact. We left becuase lw was dieing, and becuase public opinion was against you. That which was the legendary warriors guild will not be forgotten and lost. As you know some of the greatest people and guilds have come from there, I mean look at the Arcane Order, druke helped found that didn\'t he? Draklar\'s defenders are going strong aren\'t they? Look at the \"children\" of the greatest guild, they are doing excellently. They have been well prepared for the world and that\'s what parents have always set out to do since the begining...
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Please, read Ayshe post, i think it\'s the most intelligent about what happens.
Mine (Arbraz) is good too.
Enraged is part of PS.
Stuff your rivalities.
You seems like teens without brain.
PS is not real life.
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tp bad they didn\'t kill you...
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That\'s the problem with not having fall damage :P
Btw arbraz I am a mindless zombie-teen (I have a hard time sleeping)
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Originally posted by Bonez
At one point they were the most popular guild
I don\'t agree...
Btw very funny thread... I had lot of fun reading it... Too bad i couldn\'t come earlier.
Bye Bon..errr...Enrag...liar...i mean ... guy. :P
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bleh, you can\'t compare reality with a game, at least not frequently, besides, the Roman Empire didn\'t come at the end after that. If i don\'t get wrong, it splitted after some centuries or so, and it lasted about 400 years after that. And that\'s only the western empire.
So there.
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it splitted because it got to big. then the mongols or wahttever stormed it as it got weak
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So...let me get this straight...Bonez (or Enraged, whatever) was planning to split from his own guild and start a whole other one? Wow, you guys made a good choice to leave...
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Originally posted by Kiern
So...let me get this straight...Bonez (or Enraged, whatever) was planning to split from his own guild and start a whole other one? Wow, you guys made a good choice to leave...
I don\'t think he was going to split from his own guild.. I think he was planning on making sort of a \"sub guild\" called rangers, for LW... but he didn\'t... so...
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It\'s more like he was going to \"rename\" and \"renergize\" lw, not to make a new guild but to make the old one new.
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didn\'t he do that once?? I think LW was called Diciples of Darkness (or something like that before?)
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I wouldn\'t know, when I came it was lw. I doubt it was ever anything else before that. I remember lw being the greatest guild at one time, greater than CoL or any other guild. But that was a long time ago.
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Well, I actually asked to join back when they were called something else... And then bonez adressed me later, when they had changed names to LW..
Ahh... now I remember :P It was called Darkness United (http://www.darknessunited.tk/) before LW... And I\'m sure of that :P :P
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Originally posted by Monketh
I remember lw being the greatest guild at one time, greater than CoL or any other guild. But that was a long time ago.
I think Explorers Guild was always better than LW...
Along with great leader... (not saying here that Enraged is bad one, just saying Hav is better :P)
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yeah, Havena\'s always pleasant company ingame (I\'m guessing also IRL :P) even though I got beat as the evil guy in Hav\'s story.. :P:P
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Well, good riddance. This just adds to the long list of things that give me reason to show him no respect. From when he took my guild Section idea (the only reason this pisses me off is because all he had to do was give credit to those who came up with the idea), to his trashing a friend on the public forum, i no longer have any respect for him. I admit that he was a major player, and im sure he helped PS a lot, but people like him dont deserve respect. Leave ur thoughts, please.
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Originally posted by Xalthar
I don\'t think he was going to split from his own guild.. I think he was planning on making sort of a \"sub guild\" called rangers, for LW... but he didn\'t... so...
Ah, ok....it still doesn\'t make much sense to me as I don\'t know what that is
Originally posted by Monketh
I remember lw being the greatest guild at one time, greater than CoL or any other guild. But that was a long time ago.
umm...yeah, you are entitled to their own opinions but it just bugs me when people say that, especially when they were once in that guild (it may or may not be true but it just makes you sound arrogant)
Originally posted by Bushie
From when he took my guild Section idea
People....if your going to give examples at least make sure others know what your talking about, else it is useless
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Well, the guild has sections for different jobs and classes. For example-
Knights-take care of all the fighting we do
Merchants-take care of all the merchant stuff and the guild economy
ect.
You see?
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ADD-They all have a chain of command and the section leaders form a council that is lead by the Guild leader(s).
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Er, sections isn\'t exactly a radical idea. It\'s so obvious almost anyone could come up with it on their own. I thought of that for Mirth without looking at anyone else\'s organization.
I think Bonez\'s posts are a disgrace, personally. If members choose to leave Mirth because I am doing a terrible job that is just too bad. I doubt there will be any major problems with that though because Mirth has a constitution agreed to by every member. The guild leader is forced to follow the constitution.
Bonez, if your members left you that is no reason to make a fool of yourself in front of the entire community. Perhaps if you hadn\'t started this thread you could have restarted LW alone and made it as great as it once was. Now we\'ll never know.
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Nono, what i mean is he left a guild he made, joined COL (the guild im in and gave the section idea to), didnt do much, left without a reason, started his own guild (LW), and thats when all the similarities started showing up.
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Originally posted by Kiern
umm...yeah, you are entitled to their own opinions but it just bugs me when people say that, especially when they were once in that guild (it may or may not be true but it just makes you sound arrogant)
Hehe, sorry about that. During that time it seemed to me to be that way.
Oh, and half-pint I wouldn\'t worry about that if I were you. You\'re very well respected like Draklar and you know that.
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I know. :) The point I was trying to make was that I was fairly well respected. If you lead the guild well the members probably won\'t leave. And even if they do you shouldn\'t really mind. Just take a look at why they left and decide whether or not it was worth it. If it wasn\'t don\'t make the same mistake next time.
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Originally posted by Bushie
Nono, what i mean is he left a guild he made, joined COL (the guild im in and gave the section idea to), didnt do much, left without a reason, started his own guild (LW), and thats when all the similarities started showing up.
ok it was discussed somewhere already and people didn\'t like that discussion. Please don\'t start it all over again.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Originally posted by Xalthar
I don\'t think he was going to split from his own guild.. I think he was planning on making sort of a \"sub guild\" called rangers, for LW... but he didn\'t... so...
Ah, ok....it still doesn\'t make much sense to me as I don\'t know what that is
what is it you don\'t understand? ?(
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Ok everybody, I think all those with a grudge and an axe to grind has done so. LW was great but now it\'s dead. Shall we not bury it and get on with life in PS?
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**raises mug**
i call this thread closed and never to return from the gates of hell
**slams mug down in judge kinda way**
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Never heard of those people, and after all this, I really don\'t want to know.
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ummm yea why did u feel the need to say that on a thread that has gone to hell and back abotu five times and is about 20 years old?? seems kinda pointless but thats just my opinion!
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**raises mug**
call this thread closed and never to return from the gates of hell
**slams mug down in judge kinda way**
OK understand?
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Apparently not, and your violating your own ruling :P
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*Tries to defy seperot by breaking his judgement* :D
Sowwy i feel like being a nuisance today...:D
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**slams mug many times yelling**
Die thread die never come back ever EVER!!!!
thank you **bows and leaves** :P
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ow...no need to yell...now my ears hurt ;(
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This does raise a great issue, do we want ways for the guild to usurp power from their leaders? And if so how? Democracy is not the only way, in fact we could have the leaders select their way of ruling. If a dictatorship, perhaps they can pick the method of removal?first a vote, then a challenge of some type, then something else?or it might have to be a 75% vote from the officers in the guild?
anyway are there any thoughts on this?
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yes but not on this thread can you start a new one i realy hate this threadand just whant it to go away
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I actually think this is a perfect example for why such a thing might be needed, more then likely I?ll make another thread?but it will refer here. In essence, while this list can be locked (perhaps a good idea) I hope it is read by most who plan on leading guilds (as an example of what not to do)
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I don\'t know paxx, that would make it just a little too hectic in my opinion, guild leaders have enough to worry about, and sometimes they change things which people may not like at first, so if they got rid of him right then they would not find out if it actually benefited them until after he is gone.
Maybe if they could issue a \"challenge\"and then the guild leader accepts they could, but otherwise I think the members just leaving and forming their own guild would be a lot more simple and better way of doing things.
And besides, usually the guild leader created most of the guild and came up with the ideas, if he is an idiot it is the members\' own fault for joining that guild...
By the way seperot, the thread will die when it dies, your posting isn\'t going to change much, at least not with me...it is more annoying than anything.
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I agree with you completly on that, Kiern. It\'s not like a big episode like this will happen every day, after all. Besides, I don\'t see anything wrong with it... a new, potentially greater guild was formed out of the ashes of LW.
With paxx\'s suggestion, I think guild members would be continually ganging up on eachother to throw the current leader out and become leader themselves. Too chaotic in my mind.
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Hmmm chaotic but realistic...
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Not really, if you think about it the situations are totally different. In real life (or fantasy books, etc.) the people actually have something to lose, possibly even their life (by death or even financially), if the overthrow fails, or even if it works...but in the game if it fails and your killed, you come back and start a new guild anyways.
So, really, there would nothing to be stopping every guild member who is leaving to go ahead and try to get rid of the current leader, it is a great idea if it would work...but people always make a mess of things and ruin it.
Not to say it won\'t work, as long as there is some sort of system to prevent this, but I\'m clueless as to what that might be, unless I\'ve totally mistaken what paxx meant, although I don\'t think so.
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No, there is not much to this at the moment. I am not saying coup every week, but say for some ?less chaotic? guilds, it would be first a vote of confidence ?takes a week or two, and then others can run for guild leader and see what happens.
In other guilds the guild leader can simply have it set to he is the supreme leader period.
For the more chaotic driven it could be, one challenge per month, mortal combat?leader picks the opponent ?from those that challenged him? and sets the location and starting conditions of the combat, and can have a champion.
What this means is the crying bastards would have to organize and have only one person make a challenge?
Anyway I am just spouting incomplete ideas here?see if there is any enlightenment.
For those who have played MMORPGs a lot and have dealt with large guilds?it would be nice for the leader to be current and involved. Many times I have seen the leader really not be involved at all in the guild. Other times they are great.
Just wanting to hear ideas and comments on this.
One thing to keep in mind is there will be a lot of investment for guilds, and the leaders will have a lot to do, but if they do it badly, it would be sad for all the members that have worked hard to certain ends now suffer under bad or none existent leadership who has not allowed officers to have access to certain guild features.
I don?t think this will affect any of the major guilds, but it may keep guilds together that would otherwise fold.
Also I think guilds should be lead by more then one person, or have Vice leaders that become leaders when the leader is not online.
But anyway think on it comment, I?ll give it more thought and spew my thoughts on the board later in a more organized format.
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*sticks out his tongue to seperot :D*
Well paxx, in most MMORPGs it\'s like how Kiern says here, most members just go away and form their own guild...I think it is possible to work your ideas out, but indeed, the chaos will be huge in the first few months. What most people need, i think, is some time to get used to it. They always need time to get used, and after that, everythings OK.
What the problem will be, once you\'ll allow other people to throw their own leader out, it will be chaotic like moogie says, but i see another problem. The leader in question will lose popularity, he will lose a huge amount. So if he will want to join another guild, maybe that wont be possible for him. And if he makes another one, nobody will come, cuz they will know that he must be a bad leader cuz his ex-guild got rid of him. The meaning of Planeshift, of every MMORPG, is to have fun with it. But when nobody wants to know you, there won\'t be much fun aye?
Ofcourse you can also see this as a positive point, cuz the leader will have to work to bring his popularity up again...You see, even the possibilities are chaotic :D One one side it\'s a great idea..on the other..We\'ll see :D
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Also I think guilds should be lead by more then one person
i agree with that point we have 3 leaders and it works great
as for the voting new leadeship thingy is it just me or whould that suck the fact that you made a website got the members delt with everything just to be replaced with someone else
By the way seperot, the thread will die when it dies, your posting isn\'t going to change much, at least not with me...it is more annoying than anything.
i know i give up on begging for this thread to die now no matter how much it annoys me it lives ;(
I agree with you completly on that, Kiern. It\'s not like a big episode like this will happen every day, after all. Besides, I don\'t see anything wrong with it... a new, potentially greater guild was formed out of the ashes of LW.
i take that as a complement :D
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Eh? Who bumped this?
Somebody lock this thread.
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Originally posted by Bonez
A Story Long Forgotten
Just remember the names for they will be back!
guess who showed up? *grins evily*
I guess old guy Enraged is back for revange :evil:
but not forgotten.... I told this story few days ago :D
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ah god dammit why cant he let go :P
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Wow, this thread really won\'t die :D
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Trust me, its an affliction that we of the planeshift community have; threads very rarely remain dead (until mogura locks em.)
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...which has only happend in the last 4-5 months or so, people getting restless.
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Originally posted by Monketh
Eh? Who bumped this?
Somebody lock this thread.
Why did you post here then? ?(
I vote for a user-made lock, let\'s all not post in this thread. ;)
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* Moogie throws a padlock at the thread...
(roll: 25 vs dc 15 = Success)
* Moogie successfully locked the thread.