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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Auran on September 22, 2003, 05:50:29 pm

Title: The Cabal : The second coming
Post by: Auran on September 22, 2003, 05:50:29 pm
Greetings all you planeshifters,

The Cabal is back, and with an updated website, to make your miserable existences even more miserable:D. Help us in our task by visiting \'thecabal.cjb.net\' and giving valuable feedback.

BTW - I need links and preferably banners of other guild sites to put on my links page. Plz let me know.
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Post by: Evanchild on September 22, 2003, 11:29:37 pm
you could but the gnomes on as a link.  we don\'t support jerks but meh publicity is publicity.
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 23, 2003, 12:24:07 am
Please do NOT put a link to Mirth Guild on your site.  We do not support your guild or what it represents.
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Post by: Draklar on September 23, 2003, 12:42:03 am
Same with Defenders.
Don\'t put our link on your website.
but...
If you\'ll show yourself worthy i\'ll let you put us under WAR status ;)
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Post by: Tranor on September 23, 2003, 01:21:49 am
that sig is wayyy too BIG!!!
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Post by: Tranor on September 23, 2003, 02:57:13 am
Not you people again!! oh well jsut adds more to my anger and that makes ur death by me even sweeter!! :D
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Post by: shangralah on September 23, 2003, 03:03:02 am
why does everyone hate Cabal
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 23, 2003, 03:06:15 am
We don\'t hate Cabal all that much, it\'s just what it stands for.  Some guilds, in fact, are sworn to protect against people like the Cabal.  *cough cough...  Mirth and Defenders...  cough*
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Post by: shangralah on September 23, 2003, 03:08:50 am
well bobo isnt evil but Elessar will be  :D
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 23, 2003, 03:14:10 am
Evildoers should beware...  We won\'t tolerate deliberate chaotic actions.  
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Post by: shangralah on September 23, 2003, 03:20:25 am
i dont think im gonna be evil its bad enough Draklar considers me a enemy  :(
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 23, 2003, 03:22:24 am
Score one for the good guilds...

I have major doubts about how long the Cabal will last anyway.  I\'ll be astonished if it survives and remains active until CB.
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Post by: Evanchild on September 23, 2003, 03:46:50 am
well the gnomes to not incite wars but we do end them. this has been started and we will do whatever to end this such.
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 03:47:40 am
Well, well, well apprehensive are we?Dont want to see our names displayed in the Lair of Evil? Well as you wish. Not that i\'ll have to wait long to put those links there. I mean once we are done with your guilds they\'ll be puppets in the Cabal\'s hands and we\'ll have those links up there anyway. So lets all just wait and see.

The Gnomes will go up then and if its alright with you i\'ll use that banner you use Evanchild for the link. Is that OK?

Anyway ppl the links put up will in no way reflect your support or opposition for cabal or its ideas. They are purely for information purposes so that the surfer who stumbles onto the cabal site can have a look at all the options he/she has if he/she\'s interested. So again : let me know. OK?

BTW- where my feedback, the reviews? Waaaaaaaaah! I want my feedback.!!!!

To tranor - Can you see my banner? Do you think that that\'s too big?
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 03:59:51 am
To Xalthar - did you get my pm?

To ****** - Hey there (Sleeper) Wraith, did you get my pm?
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 04:01:23 am
Official Cabal notice:

Join up with the Cabal now people. You dont know what you will be missing if you dont
(A part of shameless guild promotion ;))
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Post by: Tranor on September 23, 2003, 04:04:59 am
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Originally posted by Auran
To tranor - Can you see my banner? Do you think that that\'s too big?


Ya know... now that u mention it, i didnt notice it but now that i have I have one things to say... ITS HUGE!!!
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 04:11:38 am
Hey Tranor i just noticed that you are a ranger now. What about the Maugrim losers?

ps- what!!?!? put up a big banner!!! little old moi. Just look at what the Arcane Order Bozos are usin\'.:D
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Post by: Draklar on September 23, 2003, 06:28:43 am
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Originally posted by Auran
Anyway ppl the links put up will in no way reflect your support or opposition for cabal or its ideas. They are purely for information purposes so that the surfer who stumbles onto the cabal site can have a look at all the options he/she has if he/she\'s interested. So again : let me know. OK?

And what\'s the point of that?
Do you think that someone visiting Cabal website might be interested in joining Defenders? :P
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Post by: seperot on September 23, 2003, 10:31:34 am
yes auran tranor did come to rangers now we have 10 members.

i thought you got bored and left ps

we can always dream....... ;)
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Post by: ******(sleeper)wraith on September 23, 2003, 10:48:16 am
hey Auran, i got your pm ;) ill mail my char(s) dietails as soon as i have time, eg in a few days

EDIT: removed last EDIT
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Post by: Moogie on September 23, 2003, 11:24:46 am
Auran, I have a few things to say.

Firstly, yes your signature is kinda big. If you could reduce its height to 100 pixels at most, that\'d be very considerate of you.

Also, be careful and aware of the spamming rules we have here. I\'m not entirely sure that it has been written down and can be referred to, but generally speaking we consider 3 posts in a row spam. Just thought I\'d warn you of that.

Nice to see you still around by the way. I know you\'re a good guy OOC really. ;) Don\'t do anything silly though. If guilds specifically ask you not to link them on your site, I suggest you comply.

Anyways, see you around Auran, here\'s hoping that one day you\'ll show everyone what a nice guy you are. :)
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 12:16:34 pm
To moogie-

All shall be as you command m\'lady. I\'d betray my gods if you ask me to:). The banner will go down within the day.

Anyhow those three posts wre a mistake. Somehow one of my posts got posted thrice so I just edited them to make them look like three seperate posts as i couldnt find any way of deleting them.

As to the banner issue I wont put up banners of any guild without their prior permission becuase you ask me to but I ask this favor in return that you let me put the link to your homepage there. Plz dont let me down.


To everyone else on the issue raised by draklar-

Imagine a situation where a person logs into my site but doesnt really like what he sees. He/she deserves the opportunity to know his other options . Moreover if someone who is a newb goes to my page prompted by his cabali friends without an inkling of what else is available I feel that it is my duty to give him a fair opportunity to decide. These are some of the many possible scenarios which would benefit from the presence of links to other guilds. I might be Rplaying an evil charachter  but the development of the gaming community demands I be fair in this respect. Besides I stand or gain to lose nothing eitherway

So let me know.
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Post by: Kada-El on September 23, 2003, 01:41:01 pm
Auran\'s sig isn\'t that bad, sure it could use a bit of a reduction, but there has been much worse - at least Auran\'s sig doesn\'t cause my scrolling to slow down whenever I have it on screen like someone\'s in this thread ;) :P

Whilst not a guild, my tavern would be honored to be included in your links Auran. I\'ll perhaps see if I can get hold of a banner.
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Post by: Moogie on September 23, 2003, 01:55:33 pm
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Originally posted by Kada-El
Auran\'s sig isn\'t that bad, sure it could use a bit of a reduction, but there has been much worse


It\'s not bad at all, nobody said it was. I think it\'s very cool. What makes yous two think I asked for it to be removed?



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Originally posted by Kada-El
at least Auran\'s sig doesn\'t cause my scrolling to slow down whenever I have it on screen like someone\'s in this thread ;) :P


Oh my, who ever could it be? :P
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 23, 2003, 04:26:36 pm
I think the annoyingly large sig is appropriate for the leader of a guild bent on causing trouble.  (Although the design is pretty neat  :P )

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once we are done with your guilds they\'ll be puppets in the Cabal\'s hands and we\'ll have those links up there anyway. So lets all just wait and see.


*Hurries off to the Mirth forums to consult the war councillor*

Edit:  Btw i think you\'re ranks page has the ranks backwards.  9 is supposed to be highest.

And lol you havent put me on the opposition page.   :D
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Post by: Caldazar on September 23, 2003, 05:06:01 pm
Im not saying that SH supports the actions of the Cabal in any way, but I can personally say, that PS needs more \"evildoing\" guilds. Weres the fun if everybody dances the happyhappyjoyjoy-dance?
Keep it up jerks :)
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Post by: Auran on September 23, 2003, 06:26:38 pm
So whats the final verdict guys? Does the banner go or stay? I cant reduce it but I could replace it(I have a 350KB replacement ready :D). As the great Cicero or some other ancient roman dude once said \"VOX POPULI, VOX DEI\" :).

Anywho (yes thats \'who\' not \'how\').... I\'d be glad (that\'d be me the ordinary guy not the corruptor) to lend my artistic talents( however little i might have) to anyone needing to get something done and who thinks I could be of help.

to Halfpint-

Oh! a slip up Halfie old boy. I\'ll amend that right away. I didnt know you were interested in the Cabal\'s affairs until recently. But since you are generous enough to consider us enemies, i am obliged to put your name up there.   The rank system is sort of a countdown.

to Caldazar-

Say would that be the Famed HappyHappyJoyJoy song by the legendary Stinky Whizzlecheeks ?  

To Kada-el -

Dear lady you are a vision of great beauty and wisdom.  You do me a favour by granting me the permission to post your link on my site. I am eagerly waiting for you to do me the honour of giving me a banner.

To Moogie-
Did you grace my humble website  with your august presence yet m\'lady? It\'s been updated. I value the feedback.

To everyone else -
So ppl I need your explicit permission to post your links as I am bound by the word I gave to my beloved Moogie(;)). So Plz let me know.


Auran

ps- can anyone help me with the Join form? The stupid thing won\'t mail!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Caldazar on September 23, 2003, 07:05:29 pm
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ay would that be the Famed HappyHappyJoyJoy song by the legendary Stinky Whizzlecheeks ?

Nope, the legendary HappyHappyJoyJoy-dance performed by me, when I\'m \"in the mood\".
NO, THAT mood, mind you ;)
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Post by: Kada-El on September 23, 2003, 07:14:27 pm
Reduced slightly:

(http://www.gaboby.plus.com/cabal.gif)

Maybe Tranor will be a little happier with that? :P


Tavern banner:

(http://www.gaboby.plus.com/tavernlogo.gif)

Let me know if it\'s too big for what you want it for :)
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Post by: Xalthar on September 23, 2003, 08:32:01 pm
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Originally posted by Auran
To Xalthar - did you get my pm?


Yes I did get it.. but I haven\'t got the time to come up with a new character right now :P :D

So If we could wait a while, it\'d be great..

*Xalthar leaves, disgusted with all the opposing do gooder\'s*
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Post by: Azriel on September 23, 2003, 10:32:52 pm
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To ****** - Hey there (Sleeper) Wraith, did you get my pm?


i also got it, and created an alternate char
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Post by: YanRK on September 23, 2003, 10:39:56 pm
Auran,
Even though you\'ve got alot of opposition, it good to see your nice about it ;) Giving those opposed your thanks...
too bad :)
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Post by: Draklar on September 23, 2003, 10:45:20 pm
Umm... in what way i helped with Cabal development? :P
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Post by: Evanchild on September 23, 2003, 11:27:35 pm
thanks for opposing you wth? people apposed my guild *cough*annah*cough* not mentioning any names but i didn\'t thank him/her/it hermaphrodite for it. i just kinda ignored him/her/it hermaphrodite
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Post by: Tranor on September 23, 2003, 11:38:18 pm
Kada- Yes i liek ur reduced sig alot better, at least it fits on my screen without having to scroll over to see the whole thing :P I hope Auran decides to use it, i liek the sig, jsut its a lil big.
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 24, 2003, 02:33:39 am
Hey Auran, I agree with YanRK in that you are being fairly nice about your \"die-everybody but us\" thing.   8)  

Neither Mirth or I are your enemy - yet.  Unless of course you want to pick a fight and declare war on us first.  But that would be stupid, wouldn\'t it?
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Post by: Auran on September 24, 2003, 05:48:25 pm
No, No, No Madamoiselle Kada. I think it was my misfortune that I couldnt exactly express what I meant to say when i said \" i cant reduce the banner\". Sure I can reduce it physically( What the heck! I created it ) but that wont do. The banner size was the optimum to do justice to the detail. So I wont reduce it but if everyone thinks that its gotta go i\'ll remove it altogether.

What resolution do you use tranor my friend? I recommend 1024x768.  


The gratitude for opposition issue-

You see most of you guys are do-gooder sissies. As such, negative publicity harms you and your institution. Being an evil guild, the hatred actually goes to prove our success and effectiveness. So it is my duty to thank those who hate us.
Besides, no doubt they\'ll all inevitably perish underfoot, but atleast they are trying to give us a bit of a challenge:D.  

To Evanchild -
Well Evey you are really being too nice to your enemies;):D. Why i wonder who the person *cough**cough* annah*cough* could be?(

To Draklar-
Remember the discussion we had about the situation where Pking or Pstealing might not be implemented? Well that helped me refine our strategies a lot. Hence the Gratitude.

To Xalthar-
I await the birth of a new evil, one that will change the face of history . :)

To Mirth guys -

Declare war:O !!!!?????( . Why on earth? I prefer bloodless assimilation. Maybe you havent noticed but thats what I am aquiring Wraith(sleepers) for. And if there is really a need for bloodshed I\'d prefer that it be of the Mirth. Hence the assassination attempts. That goes to show how strong an advocate of non-violence i am;):D.


Anyway PPL i still need your permissions for my link page. What the hell even moogie hasn\'t given me her permission yet! Hurry puny ones lest you incurr the wrath of the Cabal.x(


To all Cabali -
Please feel free to send in your suggestions about the guild or any other thing related to it. You are also welcome to use the guild banner or change it if you wish . Lets kick Goodguy ass my brethren:).
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Post by: Auran on September 24, 2003, 09:02:33 pm
*(Auran ...thinking)....... hmmm +5 stuff..........drool!.........FL chicks.................Kada...........sexy.............must kill draklar.............and sep..............and tranor...............and those mirth guys.................dorbian............pretty much everyone............................................................friggin admins...............assimilation.................babes and cash.........arcane order and shadowhand suck..........must get moogie..............(wakes up suddenly)*

well thats pretty much whats on my mind right now. No reason for posting but just felt like it.:)
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Post by: Draklar on September 24, 2003, 09:07:23 pm
*throws Mugie at Auran* you go back to sleep ;)
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Post by: Evanchild on September 24, 2003, 09:43:08 pm
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The gratitude for opposition issue-

You see most of you guys are do-gooder sissies. As such, negative publicity harms you and your institution. Being an evil guild, the hatred actually goes to prove our success and effectiveness. So it is my duty to thank those who hate us.
Besides, no doubt they\'ll all inevitably perish underfoot, but atleast they are trying to give us a bit of a challenge:D.  


what are you like 12? less mabey?  

doing good is harder thand doing bad.
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Post by: Draklar on September 24, 2003, 09:57:38 pm
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Originally posted by Auran
The gratitude for opposition issue-

You see most of you guys are do-gooder sissies. As such, negative publicity harms you and your institution. Being an evil guild, the hatred actually goes to prove our success and effectiveness. So it is my duty to thank those who hate us.
Besides, no doubt they\'ll all inevitably perish underfoot, but atleast they are trying to give us a bit of a challenge:D.  


what are you like 12? less mabey?  

doing good is harder thand doing bad.

I wouldn\'t say that.... i think that being pure evil is as hard as being pure good.
Or in my case: being pure evil is impossible...
Would you find it easy to torture someone, delivering him lots of pain, with no good reason at all (or just for fun)? and how about slaughtering lots of innocent people? Being evil isn\'t easy, not at all...
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Post by: Xordan on September 24, 2003, 10:52:40 pm
Bah, no such thing as good or bad, it depends on u\'r perception on life as to what u think it right or wrong. Doing something that\'s \'good\' could be harming someone else. So, it\'s just as hard to do either as they are both the same.
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Post by: Draklar on September 24, 2003, 11:05:56 pm
ahhh so giving money to someone that is poor, while you aren\'t rich yourself isn\'t REALLY good. And stealing money from blind beggar isn\'t evil? How about killing someone with cold blood just for fun? That isn\'t REALLY evil too?
Sorry, i don\'t understand this point of view....

good - doing stuff to make other people life better.
evil - kill, steal, torture - all this can be fun, and there\'s no problem in doing that for a little payment.
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Post by: Xalthar on September 24, 2003, 11:26:57 pm
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ahhh so giving money to someone that is poor, while you aren\'t rich yourself isn\'t REALLY good. And stealing money from blind beggar isn\'t evil? How about killing someone with cold blood just for fun? That isn\'t REALLY evil too?
Sorry, i don\'t understand this point of view....

good - doing stuff to make other people life better.
evil - kill, steal, torture - all this can be fun, and there\'s no problem in doing that for a little payment.


Tell me then, who made up these perceptions? it is just something you associate with evil and good.. but it doesn\'t nessesarily have to be good or evil.. all that lie in the eyes of the beholder..
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Post by: Tranor on September 24, 2003, 11:37:41 pm
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Would you find it easy to torture someone, delivering him lots of pain, with no good reason at all (or just for fun)? and how about slaughtering lots of innocent people?


Yea Drak... I do it on a daily basis, its called GTA 3 and VC!! :P
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Post by: Draklar on September 24, 2003, 11:47:06 pm
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Tell me then, who made up these perceptions? it is just something you associate with evil and good.. but it doesn\'t nessesarily have to be good or evil.. all that lie in the eyes of the beholder..

Well look with eyes of one that is neutral, he\'s in center. One like that is the best point of looking at this:
One that helps you is good, while one that kills you for your money is evil. Good is the way of light, while evil of darkness.
It doesn\'t matter that evil person will see his deeds as good, globally those will be seen as evil.
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Post by: Kada-El on September 24, 2003, 11:50:05 pm
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all that lie in the eyes of the beholder..

Nah, Draklar is right. We all instinctively know exactly when we are doing good or doing bad, perhaps this is just the conditioning of society, but it is the society we live in and deep down we know exactly what we are doing.

I also believe that there is such a thing as a truly altruistic act (doing a totally selfless deed for the benfit of someone else). There are many who don\'t and maintain that any kind or good act is ultimately done for selfish reasons e.g. it makes you feel good, or you\'ll get something out of it in the end - while in reality it is perhaps a very rare thing I still think it exists.

True evil was perhaps represented best here in my mind when we had Zaylik here - he was totally in character virtually all of the time made no apologies for his actions and cared for nothing apart from his own ascension to power and his twisted almost religious belief in himself. He got quite a bit of stick from those who just observed him as arrogant and didn\'t quite get the fact he was playing a character (and playing it very well).
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Post by: Auran on September 25, 2003, 04:15:21 am
Yes, good does exist and have an identity. But that identity is born of consensus. Most people in this world have a similar moral yard stick and so they measure good or evil similarly. I am no exception. But given a situation where the world was populated by the so called \'perverts\' and \'psychopaths\' then good would have had some other definition. I have to admit that i have to agree with you about what is good but I refuse to admit the it has a unique and altruistic identity.  

And being good IS easier. It is easy for the simple reason that you are at ease with your  conscience and have support of the masses.
 
BTW- playing GTA and VC isn\'t being evil. Its about getting your adrenaline pumping( kinda like jumping off a cliff). Never played the stuff myself anyhow, gameplay too shallow for my liking. I am a hardcore RPGamer and am proud of it.

I also dont think pure evil is actually how it is thought to be. The chaotic bit essentially reeks of stupidity. Why should a pure evil guy be wantonly destructive. I think pure evil will have a keen intellect associated with it. And that will prevent it from doing typical evil cliches like slaying everyone. Why bother? Most people are weak and willing to worship the rising sun. So instead of wiping everyone out try to corrupt them. That would poison the society forever and sterilise any seeds of good that might ever sprout.

to draklar

Maybe the blind beggar was going to buy booze with the money and the guy  who took it needed it to feed his family. Who can be a judge when we are all suffering from our predefined notions of proper conduct?
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Post by: Tranor on September 25, 2003, 04:53:55 am
this guy makes post that are a million bagillion years long about pointless things... i wonder if he really has a life? at all...
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Post by: Auran on September 25, 2003, 02:34:54 pm
Alas brother I do have a life. And it makes me think. I cant do anything without thinking. Even playing a game. I figure that thinking is the only real reason for my existence besides conveying my thoughts. Hence sometimes the  philosophical gazzillion year long posts. I want to say it all in one post so others can comprehend and decide if I am right or wrong.  

but what my friend Tranor said here makes me think. I do have a pretty busy life and I have an extremely important assignment coming up. So i\'ll take the leave of everyone for an indefinite period of time. I\'ll post and play when I get the time. Keep the thread alive ppl. Maybe i\'ll come back sooner than i think. who knows?

I will be monitoring Cabal activity though. You can rest assured that my guild wont go neglected. I\'ll be in touch with you, my Cabali brethren. if not through the forum then via email. So join up all those who want to:)  
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Post by: seperot on September 25, 2003, 03:47:00 pm
**points out the fact that Auran is the only one who  seems to keep up his jerk guild ;) **
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Post by: Draklar on September 25, 2003, 03:56:35 pm
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**points out the fact that Auran is the only one who  seems to keep up his jerk guild ;) **

Well you can\'t know that...
There might be people playing Planeshift that are actually members of Cabal. And if you say that because of their activity on PS forums then you might also say, that i\'m the only one that keeps up Defenders :P
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Post by: Xalthar on September 25, 2003, 05:33:59 pm
Once again I ask, who gave you these ways of looking upon the world?

You feel the things you described as being good, but why do you call them good? what is \"good\".

An action can be \"good\" to one part, whilst at the same time be \"evil\" to another.. What then, defines the true moral value of the action?

All human actions are viewed upon through a moral codex. No actions by non-human entities are viewed upon through a moral codex..
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Post by: Caldazar on September 25, 2003, 05:58:01 pm
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Shadowhand suck

Now thats just plain stupid. What makes you think that we dont have lots of spies in every large guild existing?
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Post by: Auran on September 25, 2003, 06:20:15 pm
I know what is what  Comerade Caldazarovsky.  We have inside information about you and the AO ;).

\' Suck\' doesnt have any particular context in this case. I was going through the shadowhand thread and felt you guys havent earned your reputations. For example what are you guys doing about PKing and stealing not being implemented. What\'ll you guys do for a living? Do the happyhappyjoyjoy dance at a Chippendale joint:D. I tried raising the issue once, but people here are held fast by their fixation on their own particular brand of justice and fairness.

BTW-

Xalthar is a man after my own heart. His affinity for magniloquence and his literary flourishes are par excellence. His statement couldn\'t have been more nebulous nor his meaning more obscure to the general populace.:)

to all-

My in-game character isnt called Auran. I have this silly affinity towards my skin that makes me want to preserve it.;):D
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Post by: Draklar on September 25, 2003, 06:25:02 pm
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An action can be \"good\" to one part, whilst at the same time be \"evil\" to another.. What then, defines the true moral value of the action?

well ok, i agree that something that is evil for one can be considered to be good by another, but...
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 i think that being pure evil is as hard as being pure good.

I was saying about being good person, and being evil person.
good is something that is desired, or liked. So for someone that is \"bad\" stealing can be good - that\'s right. Although what you think doesn\'t change how others perceive you.
So what makes you evil/good person is how you influence your surroundings. If things that you do are desired or liked by other people, you are consired to be good person, but if your deeds bring hate, you\'re evil.

Edit: ok, now that i think about it... :P
something that is evil for one and can be seen as good for other can\'t be good deed.
Let\'s say that you stolen money from blind beggar - that would be evil since this thing was bad for beggar (nevermind that he would buy a booze - stealing is stealing), from this point generally you can do 3 things with those money: give them to people that really need it (then this deed generally would be more like neutral), spend them on yourself (evil with touch of neutral), or just throw it away to some sewers or something (pure evil).
That\'s just my point of view.
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Post by: Caldazar on September 25, 2003, 06:43:30 pm
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\' Suck\' doesnt have any particular context in this case. I was going through the shadowhand thread and felt you guys havent earned your reputations. For example what are you guys doing about PKing and stealing not being implemented. What\'ll you guys do for a living? Do the happyhappyjoyjoy dance at a Chippendale joint

Personally, I dont give a rats ass if stealing is allowed or not. And PKing, well, it will be allowed in certain areas. Plus, that horse has been beaten so many times it\'s time to let it rest for awhile, better come back when \"the evil persons\" have a good system for PK.
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Post by: Auran on September 26, 2003, 10:17:04 am
Whoa! Crap! Shadowhand isn\'t active at all is it? You dont give a rat\'s ass. You are supposed to be theives El Mano Caldazaro! Anywho..... none of my business then.

I also learned just now that there aint no levelin\'. Now I suppose nobody thinks that thats odd except me.?(
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Post by: Draklar on September 26, 2003, 03:41:16 pm
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I also learned just now that there aint no levelin\'. Now I suppose nobody thinks that thats odd except me.?(

and you don\'t think it\'s odd that you gain skills in healing, while all you were doing was fighting with sword?
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 05:22:08 pm
lol, Planeshift does have levels. But instead of having global levels where everything is increased, each skill has its own level.

I still belive that good and evil have no defined meaning. If everybody went around in the world stealing, and giving away something to someone poor was seen as a bad thing, then good and evil would have swapped positions. You cannot say what Good is or what Evil is, as it is all down to opinion.
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Post by: Draklar on September 26, 2003, 05:55:17 pm
ok, maybe my post was a little chaotic, so once again :P:
good - you did something to other person, and that person likes you for what you did.
evil - you did something to other person, and that person hates you for what you did.
So if everyone would start stealing:
you steal something from other thief - it\'s evil, since that thief will hate you for stealing his stuff.
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 07:33:00 pm
lol, u\'r still thinking in your view of good and evil. Why does the thief who you stole from have to hate you? Because that\'s what your view on good and evil say.
Maybe the thief like u to steal it, beacuse it\'s a challenge to steal it back.
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Post by: Azriel on September 26, 2003, 08:17:26 pm
from the point of view of the victim, its evil. from the thieves point of view it is good, because they likely as not couldnt care less about the victim, and they have gained something eg. whatever they stole or just the excitement from stealing

as a 3rd party it is not possible to judge without one side or the other disagree\'ing
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 08:22:55 pm
That\'s true also. :)
Glad to see our ranks swelling  :D
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Post by: Azriel on September 26, 2003, 08:31:12 pm

/me wonders how many members we will need for complete domination over yliakum. mwahahahahaha
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Post by: Draklar on September 26, 2003, 08:48:53 pm
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Originally posted by Azriel
from the point of view of the victim, its evil. from the thieves point of view it is good, because they likely as not couldnt care less about the victim, and they have gained something eg. whatever they stole or just the excitement from stealing

*thinks ppl aren\'t reading his posts* :P
I said already that whatever is your way of thinking, good deed is good deed, and bad deed is bad deed.
I already said what am i basing it on, and unless someone will show me GOOD argument against it - i\'m refusing to talk on this topic :P
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 09:18:08 pm
ok, if u meen that it\'s good or bad to an individual. Then u\'r right. If it good or bad for the whole then I\'m laughing at u\'r ignorance.  :D
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Post by: Draklar on September 26, 2003, 09:32:54 pm
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ok, if u meen that it\'s good or bad to an individual. Then u\'r right. If it good or bad for the whole then I\'m laughing at u\'r ignorance.  :D

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Originally posted by Draklar
I already said what am i basing it on, and unless someone will show me GOOD argument against it - i\'m refusing to talk on this topic :P

ok, was that argument against what i said?
That something that brings hate is evil, and something that is liked is good?
see? i said people aren\'t reading my posts :D
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 11:00:56 pm
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Originally posted by Draklar
I already said what am i basing it on, and unless someone will show me GOOD argument against it - i\'m refusing to talk on this topic :P


I thought you wern\'t gonna reply any more unless we gave a good argument against it?
Looks like someone doesn\'t read their own posts. :P
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Post by: Draklar on September 26, 2003, 11:13:32 pm
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I thought you wern\'t gonna reply any more unless we gave a good argument against it?
Looks like someone doesn\'t read their own posts. :P

LOL read it carefully :D
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Originally posted by Draklar
ok, was that argument against what i said?
That something that brings hate is evil, and something that is liked is good?
see? i said people aren\'t reading my posts :D

It wasn\'t on good/evil topic, i was only saying that you didn\'t read my post :D
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Post by: Xordan on September 26, 2003, 11:41:26 pm
Was about that topic still lol. Anyway, no use fighting over it.  :D
*Scans back on topic (Sorta)*

I say that good and evil depends on a persons view. Their is no Global good or evil. Only a persons opinion. Therefore what is good or evil is different for every person.

Now, do ye agree or not?  8)
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Post by: seperot on September 27, 2003, 12:16:06 am
Bah! i have a conplaint can you cable people have differen sigs please i cant stand you all ahving the same huge annoying sig.
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Post by: Draklar on September 27, 2003, 12:31:38 am
Bah, if you want them to change sigs you shouldn\'t be telling that... try something like
\"i love your sigs, they are huge and annoying, i would like everyone to have sigs like that. So please... can you all Cabal\'s have same sigs? do it for me, please... :)\"
;)
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Post by: deos on September 27, 2003, 12:50:34 am
I find nothing wrong with \"evil\" guilds, in fact we need them to make the game more interesting. But, what i do not like about your guild is that you publically announced your master plan of infilrtrating guilds and destroying them from the inside. I\'m sure all other guilds would agree that this is why you are not liked. You have declared war on every single established guild and you will not survive. and if you think you will survive so far as to prevail, how when everyone is against you minus the 10-20 members you have bribed or brainwashed.
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Post by: Moogie on September 27, 2003, 02:24:39 am
I like the Cabal sig, it looks pretty cool. It is big though. And everyone uses the exact same sig, which makes it hard for me to tell who the post belongs to. In a thread like this with a few different members posting one-after-another, it\'s quite confusing.

Perhaps each member could have a variation of the sig, personalised in some way. For example, some text in the corner with the member\'s name printed. I think that\'d be useful. But of course, these are merely suggestions, if you wish to use the same banner it\'s none of my business. :)
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Post by: Tranor on September 27, 2003, 03:52:39 am
Huge SIGS HUGE SIGS HUGGGGGGEE SIGS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!! AHHH its like The Birds al over again!! Its giving me nightmares, it was bad enough with one now they are everywhere!! But uhh BTW Cabal i love the sigs it would make me soooooo happy if u kept those enormous, large, monstrous sigs ;) LoL Drak!

**watches out for in coming lead**
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Post by: Draklar on September 27, 2003, 07:55:24 am
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In a thread like this with a few different members posting one-after-another, it\'s quite confusing.

*nods*

Deos: I guess this is just lack of Auran\'s leadership skills. Instead of making alliances with other evil guilds and making their goal easier (though still impossible :P), they are making wars with everyone they meet. I mean they could make an alliance with other guild, just to betray it later, right?
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Post by: Azriel on September 27, 2003, 11:29:49 am
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Bah! i have a conplaint can you cable people have differen sigs please i cant stand you all ahving the same huge annoying sig.

note different sig  
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Instead of making alliances with other evil guilds and making their goal easier (though still impossible ), they are making wars with everyone they meet. I mean they could make an alliance with other guild, just to betray it later, right?

so there would be a chance of them betraying us as well. anyway, making alliances will be pointless seeing as we plan on destroying guilds from within. we will therefor try and avoid honest fair fights whenever possible.
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Post by: Xalthar on September 27, 2003, 12:03:35 pm
I would say destroying guilds from within would be a fairly hard thing to do... And I\'m not helping you with that point of your plan, just to make it clear :P (sorry, but can\'t help you out there Auran :P)
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Post by: Draklar on September 27, 2003, 12:23:25 pm
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so there would be a chance of them betraying us as well.

ok then...
tell me why, lets say, thief-rogue-assassin guild would like to betray Cabal... what would they want to achieve by that?
and destroying guilds from within will be impossible in most cases. I think all Cabal can do is spoil others fun playing PS.
btw. do you Cabals know rl history?
there were few people that wanted to take over stuff. And they were even successful to one point, but:
1) they were great leaders (poor politics shows lousy leadership in Cabal)
2) they were using strenght to achieve their goals (doing that from within would be impossible)
3) they have fallen anyhow (that point will go under Cabal too ;))
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Post by: Azriel on September 27, 2003, 12:55:30 pm
hmm 5 pages....

guilds would be defeated by battles, but assassins and spys would do a lot of work before hand :P

say we forged an alliance with, say, shadowhand because some other bunch of do-gooders have declared war on us; they could easily betray us at the last minuit and we would be facing 2 enemys and we would have a higher chance of losing, even though our oponents would be full of spys and assassins.

and what makes you think we have lousy leaders anyhoo?
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Post by: Draklar on September 27, 2003, 01:22:13 pm
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Originally posted by Azriel
hmm 5 pages....

guilds would be defeated by battles, but assassins and spys would do a lot of work before hand :P

say we forged an alliance with, say, shadowhand because some other bunch of do-gooders have declared war on us; they could easily betray us at the last minuit and we would be facing 2 enemys and we would have a higher chance of losing, even though our oponents would be full of spys and assassins.

and what makes you think we have lousy leaders anyhoo?

yeah... right... so tell me how spying/assassinating will work for Defenders? We accept only Warriors and Mages, so characters with assassin skills won\'t be accepted. About spying - check Defenders thread.

That you are on alliance with someone doesn\'t mean they have to help you with guildwars. And stoping guildwar when you see you are losing isn\'t betraying anyone. They would betray you if they would join your enemies, and why would they do that?
Besides you have more than 2 enemies already, so what\'s your point?

Your leaders are lousy because they don\'t see how politics are important for guild with goals like that.
And the thing that Auran started posting \'he will rule everyone\' is showing that this is more like show off than real guild.
Actually this guild is like assassin that comes to main street and starts shouting: \"hey, i\'m evil assassin and i will kill all of you\"
Edit: oh and he says \"i will be spying on all of you\" too :P
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Post by: Auran on September 27, 2003, 05:22:49 pm
Ok, the question of inept leadership forces me to break my silence.

Never bother about how we intend to do it. You\'ll learn when you are dead. Dont imagine just because we tell that it will be so; we\'ll do it.  I tell you we intend to assimilate you. That should be enough.  And most of all dont imagine infiltrating or taking over guilds is impossible.  It is very much possible that too within the scope of the game. I wouldn\'t have announced that as the guild objective otherwise and I assure you that we wont cheat at the game (only in within it;)). Dont imagine that because you cant grasp the solution, it doesn\'t exist. Thats the biggest mistake one can make. Yes I admit that informing you of our intentions was unneccessary but it wasn\'t harmful to us in any way and it was the least I could do for the sake of fairness.

 
Oh and I would also like to inform you that our leadership doesn\'t rest with me. Xordan is also a fellow Corruptor besides others. We wouldn\'t want our guild to fall with the death of the leader now would we?


BTW-  Xalthar I dont intend for you to:).      

Yours sincerely

Auran
Corruptor
Council of The Cabal Core

ps-  the sig issue-

If all cabal members have the same sig it makes things easier for you.  Think technically. One image loads only once. Hence \'Load time\' for a page with multiple instances of the same image and the size of the page go down.

To all Cabali-

I think you guys are doing an excellent job:). Plz Take over the thread again. I\'ll take your leave indefinitely but i\'ll be back.

To Azriel- Nice sig :).
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Post by: Draklar on September 27, 2003, 05:37:32 pm
hehehe...  Suuuuuure Auran... ;)
whatever you say :D

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Oh and I would also like to inform you that our leadership doesn\'t rest with me. Xordan is also a fellow Corruptor besides others. We wouldn\'t want our guild to fall with the death of the leader now would we?

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Originally posted by Draklar
Your leaders are

lol it was plural, wasn\'t it? :D
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Post by: Caldazar on September 27, 2003, 05:41:31 pm
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Originally posted by Xalthar
I would say destroying guilds from within would be a fairly hard thing to do... And I\'m not helping you with that point of your plan, just to make it clear :P (sorry, but can\'t help you out there Auran :P)

It has been done, and more than once.
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Post by: Half_Pint on September 27, 2003, 06:34:08 pm
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Never bother about how we intend to do it. You\'ll learn when you are dead. Dont imagine just because we tell that it will be so; we\'ll do it. I tell you we intend to assimilate you. That should be enough.


Jeez Drak, what\'s your problem?  You heard the man!  Resistance is Futile!  Let\'s all give in to the mighty Cabal!  :P

(I really hope that everyone on the forums is intelligent enough to realize that last paragraph was sarcasm.)
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Post by: Xalthar on September 27, 2003, 06:41:12 pm
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Originally posted by Caldazar
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Originally posted by Xalthar
I would say destroying guilds from within would be a fairly hard thing to do... And I\'m not helping you with that point of your plan, just to make it clear :P (sorry, but can\'t help you out there Auran :P)

It has been done, and more than once.


Yes, but I take it the leaders of those guilds were imbeciles...

My guild has 6 leaders, and if any of them leave, or act stupidly, we\'ll just elect a new member.. So in a way, I was only speaking for myself..

And np, Auran... You still have my support, should you ever be in doubt ;)
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Post by: Caldazar on September 27, 2003, 06:46:54 pm
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Originally posted by Xalthar
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Originally posted by Caldazar
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Originally posted by Xalthar
I would say destroying guilds from within would be a fairly hard thing to do... And I\'m not helping you with that point of your plan, just to make it clear :P (sorry, but can\'t help you out there Auran :P)

It has been done, and more than once.

Yes, but I take it the leaders of those guilds were imbeciles...

Well, this happened way back, I wasn\'t even around. Although, I\'ve gotten some inside-info. Beware!


not joking. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Xalthar on September 27, 2003, 06:49:51 pm
I\'m so scared :P

What guild(s) are you referring to, Cal?
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Post by: Xordan on September 27, 2003, 10:39:19 pm
:D
lol, for the most hated and unpopular guild, we seem to have the most popular thread. :D
*threatening tone*
Did somebody call me lousy?
*laughs*
I like the way u guys seem to like to discuss how all our plans wont succeed. I mean I\'m getting really scared, and I think I should just give up now. 8)  :D  8)  :D
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Post by: Xalthar on September 27, 2003, 11:54:08 pm
of course your thread is popular :) you are the only ones here with a refreshing controversial tone.. And the exuberant amount of goody-too-shoes here is just unbearable :P:P
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Post by: Harwen on September 28, 2003, 07:25:56 am
Any group who volunteers to be the direct target of all the (pardon) \'do-goody\' guilds certainly has to be worth something. The Cabal are cool,  they\'re jerks, and really are the mobs going to hatch evil plots for you to foil? NO! The Cabal will. Who will make suffering a household name? The Cabal. So what do we need them for??? Conflict. Simple as that, they\'re the Yang we da Ying.

Let\'s give them the hand, while they give us the finger rather smugly. (only to have it chopped off later : )

It\'s just some good \"clean\" conflict.

Cabal, let\'s dance.
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Post by: deos on September 28, 2003, 07:28:53 am
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Originally posted by Xalthar
of course your thread is popular :) you are the only ones here with a refreshing controversial tone.. And the exuberant amount of goody-too-shoes here is just unbearable :P:P


I guess. I don\'t consider myself of good alliance or feel that I need to be a do gooder to fit in... However I shouldn\'t have to act like a moron just to get attention. This thread is the equivelent of the Jerry Springer show if we were to compare this BB to FOX.

Quite honestly, the Cabal make me ashamed of being alil misgevist(sp?) and a dabbler of the dead, but I guess if we all keep it real than the Cabal will be most recognized for their clowndom and not of how supposedly evil and spooky they are.
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Post by: Xordan on September 28, 2003, 11:10:04 am
Who said anything about spooky?  :D
lol, and to be honest, u\'r not really making us look like clowns, u\'r only renforcing our position as enemy of all. :D

Btw deos, I would be ashamed to be in the AO as a necromancer. But that\'s obviously just me. :)
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Post by: Xalthar on September 28, 2003, 12:42:08 pm
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Btw deos, I would be ashamed to be in the AO as a necromancer. But that\'s obviously just me. :)


How so? :rolleyes:

There\'s nothing wrong with that, especially with such a great master necromancer as me! :]
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Post by: Xordan on September 28, 2003, 01:23:14 pm
lol, I think we already had this argument somwhere.  :D  :D  :D
I just don\'t think that all the different types of magic should work together. e.g. Dark should kick crystals butt.
Gah, the thought of co-operation of light and dark sickens me.
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Post by: Xalthar on September 28, 2003, 01:33:09 pm
Moral values are pitiful, and withheld by pitiful people... Power is everything...! If I can gain power by working together with crystal magic, so be it..
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Post by: Draklar on September 28, 2003, 02:02:48 pm
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Dark should kick crystals butt.

LOL poor Cabal\'s corrupted mind :D
read the facts:
\"Gets the pure energy of the crystal more directly than all other ways.
Famous for the ability to heal and cure the most terrible wounds. Someone says that if you reach a great knowledge, you can even bring back person from death. Nonetheless there are many powerful offensive spells. Particularly effective against evil and dark creatures.\"
So as you can see Dark Way pretty much wouldn\'t stand a chance against Crystal one :D
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Post by: Xalthar on September 28, 2003, 02:04:42 pm
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So as you can see Dark Way pretty much wouldn\'t stand a chance against Crystal one :D


I\'m curious as to why it\'s always that way :P Why can\'t evil have the upper hand, but once?? :(
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Post by: Xordan on September 28, 2003, 02:08:05 pm
I would not work together with crystal, I would only want to control it.

Crystal and dark are opposites. So each sould be each others weakness. But if not, then I suppose it\'s why I study another way as well as dark. :D
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Post by: Davis on September 29, 2003, 03:55:58 am
I read this whole thread, including the long posts, instead of doing my math homework. Aren\'t you all so proud of my accomplishment?  :D
Anyway, opposites can work together just fine. You end up with such a wide range of skills when you do opposite things that you end up capable of many different things. It completes your strength and repairs your weakness. Doesn\'t being able to harm and make you able to do so much more?
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Post by: Xordan on September 29, 2003, 04:48:57 pm
lol, well done m8. Not many have that concentration span.
Yes it does make u stronger, but I have moral objections to it, and I\'m stubbon. :D
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Post by: Auran on September 29, 2003, 07:25:21 pm
*Gives Dave a high five for his excellent deed :D*

Keep it up Dave. I know you\'ll make a fine Bum someday ;):D.  And you always have me to look up to and idolize :D. I have an exam tomorrow and I am wastin\' time here.
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Post by: Xordan on September 29, 2003, 07:56:49 pm
BAH
*Slaps all exams with a cold wet fish*
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Post by: Azriel on September 29, 2003, 08:28:14 pm
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BAH
*Slaps all exams with a cold wet fish*


im with you there.

edit: woohoo, 2 stars by my name
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Post by: Auran on September 30, 2003, 05:42:23 pm
grats Azriel! 2 stars!

Anyhow The topic I want to address here today is the general good guy\'s(Drak, Sep and party) perception of the Cabal. Be the judge gentle reader.

The Cabal: how the grass looks much dumber on the other side :D.

1. The Cabal is really a weakling guild.
2. They are afraid to show themselves in a mano\'a\'mano combat hence all the hiding and the secrecy.
3. They have no clue of what they want to do.
4. All gas no action.
5. Idiot leaders make for a lousy guild.
6. Their delusions of grandeur stretch too far.
7. They will either not play or will be wiped out within a few seconds after CB.
8. Most PS guilds are immune to any punitive action taken by the Cabal.
9. Spies?!! Hah! what spies? or I dont see how that will affect us.
10. Since they tell us what they will do I dont see how they can put their plans into action; i.e. if the have any.
11. We are all allies, we are much stronger than The Cabal can ever be

Now believe what you will good reader the truth is for you to see and not for me to point out. Any comments welcomed. Any amendments or additions to the above list should be posted and i\'ll see that they go up with the next edit.

To All Cabali-

I plan to put up this list on the Guild website. What say you my Cabali Brethren?

*First edit*
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Post by: Xalthar on September 30, 2003, 05:46:36 pm
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Originally posted by Auran
grats Azriel! 2 stars!

heh, soon I\'ll only have one again :( :P:P

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Anyhow The topic I want to address here today is the general good guy\'s(Drak, Sep and party) perception of the Cabal. Be the judge gentle reader.

The Cabal: how the grass looks much dumber on the other side :D.

1. The Cabal is really a weakling guild.
2. They are afraid to show themselves in a mano\'a\'mano combat hence all the hiding and the secrecy.
3. They have no clue of what they want to do.
4. All gas no action.
5. Idiot leaders make for a lousy guild.
6. Their delusions of grandeur stretch too far.
7. They will either not play or will be wiped out within a few seconds after CB.
8. Most PS guilds are immune to any punitive action taken by the Cabal.
9. Spies?!! Hah! what spies? or I dont see how that will affect us.
10. Since they tell us what they will do I dont see how they can put their plans into action; i.e. if the have any.


Now believe what you will good reader the truth is for you to see and not for me to point out. Any comments welcomed. Any amendments or additions to the above list should be posted and i\'ll see that they go up with the next edit.

To All Cabali-

I plan to put up this list on the Guild website. What say you my Cabali Brethren?


I hate self Irony... but only when it involves myself :D :P
You are a shrewd bunch :P
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Post by: Xordan on September 30, 2003, 05:48:00 pm
I\'m thinking that it should go up on the webbie!!!!

I think u missed out the: \'we are all allies, we are much stronger than u can ever be\' bit.
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Post by: Azriel on September 30, 2003, 06:19:21 pm
yea, put on the site :)
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Post by: Draklar on September 30, 2003, 06:21:41 pm
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I think u missed out the: \'we are all allies, we are much stronger than u can ever be\' bit.

GOOD ONE!
you almost got it right what Auran was saying :P:
\"The Cabal: how the grass looks much dumber on the other side\"

um... i think i agree with all besides 7th...

Edit: oh, and i take 9th back...
some time ago i realised that it can make harm...
It\'s the thought that someone i considered as friend, one day, might turn out to be my enemy :(
losing a friend is a terrible thing in my opinion :(
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Post by: Auran on September 30, 2003, 07:23:11 pm
To Xalthar-

Any RPG, I believe, is a game of Cunning and wits. In vain they strive who want to conquer through might. Such victories are shortlived if not with tragic outcomes in the end.
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Post by: Xalthar on September 30, 2003, 08:06:46 pm
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To Xalthar-

Any RPG, I believe, is a game of Cunning and wits. In vain they strive who want to conquer through might. Such victories are shortlived if not with tragic outcomes in the end.


Aye, that makes sense...
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Post by: Reydan on October 01, 2003, 06:01:54 am
By the way, it\'s good, that we have a Cabal guild in that game. Everywhere should be balance between good and evil. If all guilds in PS would be only good, it\'s too boring, whats the point to grow up in military skills, if u can\'t normally use \'em? If u prefer to use \'em against stupid monsters, u can do it in every off-line RPG...
So, thank u guys for your existence, it will be a pleasure to meet u in CB and to test my sword and skills...
Hope, all your threats and words about your power are true, I always enjoy fighting formidable enemy!
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Post by: seperot on October 01, 2003, 09:45:01 am
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Originally posted by Auran
grats Azriel! 2 stars!

Anyhow The topic I want to address here today is the general good guy\'s(Drak, Sep and party) perception of the Cabal. Be the judge gentle reader.

The Cabal: how the grass looks much dumber on the other side :D.

1. The Cabal is really a weakling guild.
2. They are afraid to show themselves in a mano\'a\'mano combat hence all the hiding and the secrecy.
3. They have no clue of what they want to do.
4. All gas no action.
5. Idiot leaders make for a lousy guild.
6. Their delusions of grandeur stretch too far.
7. They will either not play or will be wiped out within a few seconds after CB.
8. Most PS guilds are immune to any punitive action taken by the Cabal.
9. Spies?!! Hah! what spies? or I dont see how that will affect us.
10. Since they tell us what they will do I dont see how they can put their plans into action; i.e. if the have any.
11. We are all allies, we are much stronger than The Cabal can ever be

Now believe what you will good reader the truth is for you to see and not for me to point out. Any comments welcomed. Any amendments or additions to the above list should be posted and i\'ll see that they go up with the next edit.

To All Cabali-

I plan to put up this list on the Guild website. What say you my Cabali Brethren?

*First edit*


1. your only as weak as you show yourself i say your about normal for a guild
2. i aggree with that
3.no i think you guys (some not all) know that your doing hence the trickery
4. thats still to come  ;)
5.well you are rping so in a sence your not an idiot
6.yep
7.not realy because if you dont have the same name is in the forum we have no clue who you are i say about a month
8.nope
9.mabie not defenders but some other guilds.. very much so
10. oh please, your only trying that trickery thing out all the time
11.well yes in thats how it works generaly unless cb pulls a lot of bad guy guilds to us

hows that for ya  ;)
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Post by: Xordan on October 01, 2003, 04:48:21 pm
lol, good answers.  :D
Yon Rogue is a smart one.
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Post by: Davis on October 01, 2003, 10:02:23 pm
I agree with Reydan... What\'s the point of an MMORPG without real people on both sides? If everybody agreed, the world would be a pretty boring place, wouldn\'t it?
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Post by: Reydan on October 01, 2003, 10:28:58 pm
Auran, here is one small advice to u:
Forget about destroing all other guilds, \'cos if u\'ll succeed and REALLY spoil the game, no one won\'t play PS because of u=means no fun for everyone, including u, because what evil things can u do, if there is no one to suffer?
Just make some small guild wars, kill some newbies (if it\'s possible) and make yourself famous, so everybody would hunt u.
In general, spoil game to everyone, but just a little bit...
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Post by: Draklar on October 01, 2003, 10:34:33 pm
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In general, spoil game to everyone, but just a little bit...

that was very, very sad :/
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Post by: Reydan on October 01, 2003, 10:55:53 pm
Very sad? What\'s the point of existing of your guild, if there is no suffer, if noone is in need of your protection?
C\'mon Draklar, this is reality: Balance between evil and good should be! \"we have swords but we don\'t use \'em\"
U will have to use \'em every day to protect yourself from evil guilds, right, Auran?
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Post by: Azriel on October 01, 2003, 11:05:18 pm
we dont intend on spoiling planeshift for anyone, we want to make it a more (slightly terminaly) exciting place and to provide everyone with something to do(including us)
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Post by: Moogie on October 01, 2003, 11:11:07 pm
In order to successfully keep from ruining other players\' fun, the Cabal should have some behavioural rules regarding just what you can and can\'t do. Chaos will inevitably do harm.

However, don\'t you remember Auran\'s initial posts about the Cabal? It\'s not an evil guild, it\'s a jerk guild. How then would you intend to not spoil fun? Isn\'t that what jerks do?
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Post by: Draklar on October 01, 2003, 11:19:25 pm
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Very sad? What\'s the point of existing of your guild, if there is no suffer, if noone is in need of your protection?
C\'mon Draklar, this is reality: Balance between evil and good should be! \"we have swords but we don\'t use \'em\"
U will have to use \'em every day to protect yourself from evil guilds, right, Auran?

Ummm... i don\'t know if you noticed, but you said that they should spoil game to everyone...
and if you don\'t see how it is sad then sorry...
We still can provide help to travelers and others that might need it. Besides Cabal isn\'t only evil guild around here, there are also NORMAL evil guilds and i\'m sure there will be others in future.

Azriel: killing newbs and destroying guilds from within is spoiling game for others.
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Post by: Reydan on October 02, 2003, 12:11:07 am
Yeah, Azriel, good point.

Draklar: yes, spoil game to everyone, but just a little bit, not completly. So we would have someone to hate and someone to fight against. Don\'t worry, Draklar, there are Explorers, who will provide help for travellers.
The only thing, that your guild is really useful for is to protect folks against guys like Auran and from
\"NORMAL evil guilds\". I won\'t play PS, if there won\'t be any evil guilds, because without them life is too boring.
Hate \"Happyhappyjoyjoy\" dance.
And I suspect, that I am not the only one, who think so..


P.S. if u do not understand my point, then I am sorry for ya.
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Post by: Moogie on October 02, 2003, 12:39:13 am
Reydan, I think I understand completely. In which case, yes, a game without evil players and guilds would be quite boring. However, games with powerful characters who spend all their free time in low level areas killing newbies are very frustrating and unfair, don\'t you think?

Anyone who\'s played Dragon Raja would know exactly the kind of utter annoyance I mean. Doing that is not being evil, it\'s... well... being a jerk.
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Post by: Half_Pint on October 02, 2003, 12:40:11 am
Good point Reydan.  

But if it is true that the game is boring without evil guilds, isn\'t it also true that it is boring without guilds that stand up to the beliefs of evil guilds?  

Guilds like Mirth and Defenders are as neccessary to the RP aspect of the game as are guilds like Cabal.
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Post by: Reydan on October 02, 2003, 01:13:21 am
:) Mogura, actually my question whas directed to Draklar... But in any case, we all suspect, that PK will be forbidden in PS, so why arque on that, Mogura?
they won\'t be able to kill newbies (at least mostly).
all they can do - Guildwars (again mostly).

To Half-Pint: completly agree with u on that, friend.
Just like I said: balance between good and evil should be.

And I am not on any side, I am neutral.
(especially after last events)
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Post by: Davis on October 02, 2003, 01:25:24 am
Again, I agree with Rayden. How can they kill newbs if they can\'t kill newbs?
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Post by: Grymmnor on October 02, 2003, 01:26:23 am
I just wanted to let everybody know that I am now a member of Cabal.  I have just joined the forums, but I\'ve been reading them for about a month.  The Cabal is a great guild, and everyone will be assimilated!
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Post by: Reydan on October 02, 2003, 01:27:47 am
Yeah, Yeah, just don\'t die too early, guys.
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Post by: Half_Pint on October 02, 2003, 01:35:00 am
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Yeah, Yeah, just don\'t die too early, guys.


Precisely.   :)

Grymmnor, if you don\'t want to die very quickly you should reconsider.
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Post by: Draklar on October 02, 2003, 06:09:39 am
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Don\'t worry, Draklar, there are Explorers, who will provide help for travellers.

um... ok, i didn\'t mean that type of help, i ment defending from monsters and stuff.
And if there won\'t be that free p2p then what\'s the point of Cabal? They were supposed to be killing newbs, right?
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Post by: seperot on October 02, 2003, 06:44:12 am
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........-=A Sword without a Guild=-..........
Completely Neutral
Always looking for a fight


tellme how is that possibul? a completely neutral guy cant be looking for a fight :rolleyes:
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Post by: Xordan on October 02, 2003, 04:52:02 pm
Depends on what u see neutral as.
Could be:
Not good or evil, fight neither.
Not good or evil, Fight both.
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Post by: Draklar on October 02, 2003, 05:09:09 pm
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Depends on what u see neutral as.
Could be:
Not good or evil, fight neither.
Not good or evil, Fight both.

well you know, Seperot knows a little better than you :P
1) can\'t neutral fight also neutral? :P
2) Neutral is against murdring so will be slightly more against evil. Also he doesn\'t like stealing and stuff like that.
3) completely neutral is someone who tries not to make trouble, and not get into any. He is pretty peaceful and keeps away from wars.
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Post by: Reydan on October 03, 2003, 01:47:23 am
Well, guys, I am definitelly NOT PEACEFUL, and if someone is too arrogant, no matter, good or evil, I am always ready to make him silent...
Draklar, u\'ve made me laughing: \"i didn\'t mean that type of help, i ment defending from monsters and stuff\"
U\'re so good, and u\'re going to steal exp from other players? U\'ve gotta be kidding.
    When I say I wanna help newbs, I mean I wanna kick some evil a*s, so they won\'t kick noobs. I am always ready to fight and I am always looking for a fight.
   I really don\'t like stealing, prefer to play fair.
but enough about me, we\'re discussing here Cabal guild, right?
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Post by: Draklar on October 03, 2003, 06:42:10 am
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Draklar, u\'ve made me laughing: \"i didn\'t mean that type of help, i ment defending from monsters and stuff\"
U\'re so good, and u\'re going to steal exp from other players? U\'ve gotta be kidding.

hehe... yea, silly me... those monsters in PS will be so weak that even newbie will be able to defeat most powerful of them, right? :P
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Post by: seperot on October 03, 2003, 07:08:42 am
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Well, guys, I am definitelly NOT PEACEFUL, and if someone is too arrogant, no matter, good or evil, I am always ready to make him silent...
Draklar, u\'ve made me laughing: \"i didn\'t mean that type of help, i ment defending from monsters and stuff\"
U\'re so good, and u\'re going to steal exp from other players? U\'ve gotta be kidding.
    When I say I wanna help newbs, I mean I wanna kick some evil a*s, so they won\'t kick noobs. I am always ready to fight and I am always looking for a fight.
   I really don\'t like stealing, prefer to play fair.
but enough about me, we\'re discussing here Cabal guild, right?


then call yourself good not neutral or better yet chaotic good  ;)
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Post by: Reydan on October 03, 2003, 03:22:12 pm
If a noob wanna kill a monster, he won\'t go and try to kill powerful, he will kill weak monsters, right?
Well, if he is suicider, then, ofcourse he can try to kill powerfull, but why save him, if he wants to be dead? lol
simple logic...
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Post by: Draklar on October 03, 2003, 03:53:00 pm
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If a noob wanna kill a monster, he won\'t go and try to kill powerful, he will kill weak monsters, right?
Well, if he is suicider, then, ofcourse he can try to kill powerfull, but why save him, if he wants to be dead? lol
simple logic...

yes, your logic is VERY simple :P ;)
what if someone will get attacked by a stronger monster?
If so, he needs protection, right?
of course we can\'t be everywhere to defend people from monsters, but also we can\'t be everywhere to defend them from Cabal.
We\'ll try though ;)

Seperot: why good? i say neutral-chaotic :P
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Post by: Reydan on October 03, 2003, 10:57:47 pm
If someone will be attaked by a stronger monster, he doesn\'t need your protection, the only thing he really needs is to run as fast as he can...:)
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Post by: Draklar on October 03, 2003, 11:01:21 pm
Yea, though monster is usually faster than you :P
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Post by: Reydan on October 03, 2003, 11:04:32 pm
Can u prove it in PS?
I was faster, then most monsters, when I was playing UO and when I was playing Freeworld.
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Post by: Draklar on October 03, 2003, 11:08:51 pm
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Can u prove it in PS?
I was faster, then most monsters, when I was playing UO and when I was playing Freeworld.



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3. Mobs will probably be faster than you when you are unbuffed in PS also.  Wolves are faster than people, as are flying creatures, and most others.  SoW in EQ isn\'t being \"buffed to all hell\"--it\'s a L5 spell for many classes.

should i say more? :D
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Post by: Reydan on October 03, 2003, 11:32:16 pm
Well, yes. It\'s not enough for me. \"probably\" is the problem. If it was \"definitelly\" then, I\'ll agree with u, but not now. besides, who told u, that noobs can\'t kill wolfs or flying creatures (like bats) from 1 hit?
clasic rules of most games: the stronger is monster, the slower he is.
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Post by: seperot on October 04, 2003, 06:16:52 am
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Well, yes. It\'s not enough for me. \"probably\" is the problem. If it was \"definitelly\" then, I\'ll agree with u, but not now. besides, who told u, that noobs can\'t kill wolfs or flying creatures (like bats) from 1 hit?
clasic rules of most games: the stronger is monster, the slower he is.


no its not mabie at the start of agame but as you play more the enemys become faster AND stronger and yes that is a very good reason what drak quoted raydan :rolleyes:
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Post by: Reydan on October 04, 2003, 04:29:30 pm
Well, if I will be strong enough to hunt on faster and stornger monsters, I will kill \'em myself. Damn, wat\'s the point of that discussion? I don\'t want to chase  the monster for hours and when 1 hit will left to kill him, some too good defender will steal my exp by finishing MY monster, explaining it: \"I was fefending u, why u\'re so upset?\" *Bang* Bang* *Bang* one more deadman , who stole my EXP!
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Post by: Tranor on October 04, 2003, 04:58:35 pm
........-=A Sword without a Guild=-..........
Completely Neutral
Always looking for a fight


Hehe... that sounds so needy! maybe you should just get a billboard that says \"ATTENTION: Fighter Looking For Guild that was once in a guild that broke down, then joined another guild and got kicked out for being an idiot.. I HAVE A SWORD! If you are interested in RECRUITING me i would appreciate it... (list phone # and adress)
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Post by: seperot on October 04, 2003, 07:48:10 pm
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Originally posted by Tranor
........-=A Sword without a Guild=-..........
Completely Neutral
Always looking for a fight


Hehe... that sounds so needy! maybe you should just get a billboard that says \"ATTENTION: Fighter Looking For Guild that was once in a guild that broke down, then joined another guild and got kicked out for being an idiot.. I HAVE A SWORD! If you are interested in RECRUITING me i would appreciate it... (list phone # and adress)


LOL tranor **rolls on floor with laughter**
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Post by: Half_Pint on October 04, 2003, 07:49:00 pm
LOL.  No offense Reydan, but ROFLMAO.   :D
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Post by: Draklar on October 04, 2003, 08:05:32 pm
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I don\'t want to chase  the monster for hours and when 1 hit will left to kill him, some too good defender will steal my exp by finishing MY monster,

YOUR monster? I don\'t see your name on it... ;) j/k
seriously: obviously you missed one point: we help those that are in NEED
i don\'t think someone chasing monster would look like he\'s in need, but then again... i might be wrong, right Reydan? :D

lol Tranor,
though...
he\'s also a sword without a sword ;)
(he has no in-game :P)
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Post by: Reydan on October 04, 2003, 08:52:33 pm
well, guys, u\'ll all loose your swords in CB, besides right now your swords are toys, u can\'t use \'em.
and u guys 3 on 1, and I don\'t have all day like u do to spent  it on MB, pickin\' up crystals, I have 2 jobs, need to make money, u know...
Draklar, I don\'t care whom u will help.
but better don\'t try to help me kill monsters, that I am hunting for.
By the way, Tranor, I was in LW long before u.
And Tranor, I was looking for a fight. In CB we will have a duel. Oh, by the way, u\'re IDIOT.