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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Kada-El on October 04, 2003, 11:02:18 pm
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Yes you guessed it, another guild ? this time it?s personal ;)
I?m not going to make a massively long speech here, for those who are interested, you?ll find all the info on the site, or come and talk to us in the site forum.
Ordo Illuminatis is not really aligned in any way, it is there to provide the most effective network of support for its members in terms of skills, materials, resources and protection to allow those members to concentrate on those skills in which he or she excels and role play their character however they choose, as long as they operate within the guild rules of course.
At the moment the only way to become a member of Ordo Illuminatis is to have an existing member of the guild propose you to the Council who will then vote on the new prospect.
Please feel free to have a wander around and say hi in the forum. Any comments, difficulties and feedback are always appreciated.
Wish us luck!
Oh yeah, I guess the URL would help ;)
http://www.illuminatis.tk
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Nice, I heard rumors of this and now it is finally here. You can expect the full support of the Circle of Legends. I hope there is an alliance in our future ;)
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Hey Kada! Congrats on the new guild! You say you won\'t be aligned, but will you tolerate jerk guilds. (Not to mention any names, but...) :D
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yay kada **throws party** and may a say you kept it very well hidden :D ;) :P
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heard the news from Gronomist... Seems that atm you\'re an oldbie guild.. right?? :P
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nah, we have some new members (Evest, Xylonias) and a couple of the others are semi-new
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Only about half of our current number of members would be considered as oldbies.
And as more new people will join we will hardly be considered as an \'oldbie guild\'.
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That is a really awesome site. I especially like the way you have laid out the member pages. Maybe we can do something, as well, to provide people a way of making an avatar of their player so they can use there.
It makes me work harder to see these types of great sites popping up.
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Thank you for all the nice comments :)
And that means a lot coming from you acraig, it makes all the hard work we put into it really seem worthwhile :))
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Originally posted by Kiern
nah, we have some new members (Evest, Xylonias) and a couple of the others are semi-new
nevertheless, a really great site (and guild ;)) I must say...
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Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
lol, and I hope you do tolerate The Cabal. :)
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Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
lol, and I hope you do tolerate The Cabal. :)
looks like the cabal do know how to show \"Awe\" :P
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lol, nope. Just me. :D
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Really nice website. I\'m not sure about all your graphical choice, but it\'s so complete!
Nice work ;)
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Excellent website and excellent concept for a guild. Kudos to the Matriarch and the Luminaries and congratulations.
All the other guilds had better watch out...
- Venge
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En Kaludari, Kada and the OI. I\'m so happy to see you at last standing openly before us :)) .
Originally posted by Vengeance
All the other guilds had better watch out...
Perhaps if the Illuminatis is on your enemies list ;) . I know the honour of the Matriarch and the Luminaries; this guild will be a blessing to all the Realm. As for their feats and achievments, watching or not, you will see.
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I have indeed heard rumors about this guild, whispers in shadowy corners, another guild to be reckoned with.
I wish the best of luck. :)
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Its finally here another one to contend with hope we can have an alliance in the future oh and i luv the site looks good
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WOW! Good website with lots of information. Now THIS is a guild to watch out for. Maybe an alliance can be formed between the Ordo Illuminatis(Did I spell it right?) and the blitzers. I wish you the best of luck.
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thanks for all that great feedback!
It really makes all our work worth alot allready. Hope we can give you more great suprises in the future :)
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Oi! whats with the matriarch rank. Cant no guy ever hope to lead the guild? We must not be sexists now should we?;).
Anyways good guild concept and site. I hope you are successful. And I also hope you are really neutral and tolerate the Cabal. I don\'t want to start an out and out war with you at the right from the beginning.
BTW- Do you object to the presence of a link on the Cabal site?
*grumbles while shaking his fist at psuedo neutral guilds* Intolerant morons. We\'ll see how well you tolerate us when dead..............X(.
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To Kada-
Dear lady would you mind amending the Cabal description on your Tavern board. I am not the leader. We are governed by a democratic (Believe it or not;):P) council \"The Council of The Cabal Core\".
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Congratulations Kada and other Ordo Illuminatis members. Great site and a great guild concept too.
*Wishes you all good luck and wishes to be a member of the guild some day* :)
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Greetings members of the Cabal...
Originally posted by Auran
BTW- Do you object to the presence of a link on the Cabal site?
We wont object against any link to our site, so dint worry ;)
We may only object when some1 is actually copying things of our site without noticing us/ displaying our guild name.
And dont worry about a war. We wont begin wars just like that. Just be nice and we will be nice aswell ;)
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Originally posted by Auran
*grumbles while shaking his fist at psuedo neutral guilds* Intolerant morons. We\'ll see how well you tolerate us when dead..............X(.
Auran, neutral means (more or less) they mind their own business. People that are neutral aren\'t tolerating evil. They are against murdering and stuff like that.
Since i\'m on topic i\'d like to say that even tho good allignment is opposite to evil one, still lawful people are ones that constantly fight evil.
Oh, and Ordo Illuminatis isn\'t neutral, they aren\'t alligned at all :P
btw: good luck with Ordo Illuminatis, Kada (and all other members) :)
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Oh we\'ll be nice *Grins evilly while rubbing his hands* we\'ll be nice alright. ;):D.
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I\'m quite stunned, thank you all so much for your kind comments and well wishes, we really do appreciate it :D
Originally posted by Auran
Oi! whats with the matriarch rank. Cant no guy ever hope to lead the guild? We must not be sexists now should we?;).
Hehe, indeed we shouldn\'t ;) But if the day ever came when I have to step down, then a Patriarch could easily take my place.
We intend to go about our guild business as normal Auran, as long as you have no problem with us then we have no problem with you ;)
Like Xolon said we have no objection at all to a link, please go ahead.
BTW Tavern guild page updated to include your Council Auran.
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Since when does the Cabal requests acceptance?
Oh my god I am so tired... Sorry if I\'m not making sense (I think I am)... whatever.
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Since I like Kada, thats when. You can never afford to be on the wrong terms with a beautiful woman if you know what I mean;). (and if Kada looks anything like her sig ....... Oh! Babe!:D)
And moreover we have so many enemies anyway that it seems like its time for us to make sure some guilds remain neutral. That way we can concentrate on bringing down guilds one by one. I don\'t underestimate my enemies although I dont take them for their face value either.
e.g.- look at sep and party, I dont believe a word they say about their prowess but I don\'t underestimate them either. Even fools can cause trouble sometimes,SOMETIMES ;):D.
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Just to update those who would like to see, we have some great pics from our in-game opening night, including shots from the tavern party afterwards ;)
Illuminatis Album (http://users.skynet.be/oi/OICreationShots.htm)
Great work from Cad and his trusty camera, he certainly captured some scary looking moments....
(http://users.skynet.be/oi/Cats/Image38.jpg)
8o eeek!
Could\'ve been a good one for the caption competition ;)
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caption
did you spill owr pints? X(
..... :P
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Originally posted by Kada-El
Could\'ve been a good one for the caption competition ;)
hehe... someone didn\'t check this thread lately, eh Kada? ;)
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=5790&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=aae490dbe6a4b68ce58de21b52026e0c
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wow, great pics!
never knew we had a mouse in the tavern :P
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Originally posted by Xolon
wow, great pics!
never knew we had a mouse in the tavern :P
lol :D
The most common race in PS so far must be enki, and most boring too :P:P:rolleyes:
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i would have been the human race but it has manboobs soo... yah...
would you like to establish trade partners there?
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Ordo Whojimiwhatsit... (never spelled that word before).... That\'s Latin, right? Order of Light or something?
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Thank you all for your welcomes and acknowledgements, we really appreciate them. It\'s true we worked pretty hard on this ! :))
Originally posted by Draklar
hehe... someone didn\'t check this thread lately, eh Kada?
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thre...58de21b52026e0c
Very nice outfit Draklar, great work !
Originally posted by shadowmancer
Ordo Whojimiwhatsit... (never spelled that word before).... That\'s Latin, right? Order of Light or something?
The Order of the Enlightened Ones, nothing less :rolleyes: ;)
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Ordo Illuminatis i wish you the best off luck with the guild ( i started to wonder why kada wasn\'t in a guild but some people prefer it that way ) and the site looks really amazing i\'m still drooling looking at it.
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Oh no! Someone has stolen the name of the guild... oh... wait... Oh! It IS the guild! Sorry. My bad. :D
Btw - *yay* to us. :D
Edit: Well, it\'s not exactly good latin, but Illuminatis (wrong grammar if used with Ordo) sounds better than the proper thing, which I can\'t remember what is, so bah. :P
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Edit: Well, it\'s not exactly good latin, but Illuminatis (wrong grammar if used with Ordo) sounds better than the proper thing, which I can\'t remember what is, so bah. :P
Did you had to tell them our secret? :(
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Originally posted by Gronomist
Edit: Well, it\'s not exactly good latin, but Illuminatis (wrong grammar if used with Ordo) sounds better than the proper thing, which I can\'t remember what is, so bah. :P
It still sounds better than the time Sep called you guys the \"Light Warriors\". Instantly brought back memories of 8-Bit Theatre and their bungling adventures. I just wonder who would be Black Mage in the group?
Anyway, good luck Kada and the Ordo Illuminatis\'s.. Illuminatises.. Illuminatissis.. Err...However that would be pronounced.
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Hiya my sweet princess ... How are you?
I wanted to congrats you ... but I guess you received sooo many :) ... I also wanted to say, like I promised, that I will help you with everything related with your guild ... all my old friends are there.
I think this is all ... hoping that new people won\'t \"hate\" me anymore :(
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Great to see that you came \"out in the open\" at last! Wonderful concept for a guild and the best structure I\'ve seen so far.
Good luck with OI and your recruitment.
Needless to say we would love to get a submission from OI to include in the Guilds Survey, so send it already! :D
I speak for myself, but I have no doubt the whole of Arcane Order, when I say that AO certainly looks forward to having good and friendly relations with Ordo Illuminatus.
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Wolfmane, it\'s hard to tell whether you supporting a good guild or not, because you support everything. But you\'re right about the structure. It kinda allows anybody to join, less restriction. And I like the way your guild doesn\'t look like it wants to infterfere and go out and do stuff; boring guilds are the best kind. I could explain myself, but I don\'t feel like enlightening you. You can just all suffer. Or not. Whatever. Any way, you Order of the Enlightened Ones people are probably as enlightened as you need to be.
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originally posted by the respected Wolfmane
and the best structure I\'ve seen so far.
Oi! The Mirth structure is not public at the moment, but it is pretty much exactly the same as that of the Ordo Illuminatis. (I know that you didn\'t copy us, though. Great minds think alike. :D )
NOTE: DO NOT JOIN MIRTH DUE TO THIS POST! IT IS NOT INTENDED AS GUILD ADVERTISMENT, SO DO NOT JOIN MIRTH BECAUSE OF IT!!!!
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Great minds don\'t think alike. And idiots are all the same.
Anyway, so you have the same \"House\" divisions? That division within subdivision thing is pretty cool.
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Not the exact same houses. (We don\'t accept thieves or pure fighters.) But we have the subdivisions based on profession. And each with leaders. We have a section solely for new members, though.
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Yeah, like the Ordo llumiwhatever initiates. You\'re right. They are pretty similar. I guess the main difference is that you are a happy-happy-joy-joy dance club and they are cool.
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Same thing, less divisions.
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Originally posted by shadowmancer
I guess the main difference is that you are a happy-happy-joy-joy dance club and they are cool.
ROFL !!
Its nice to get loads of replies on our structure, but its still possible that it will change completely. Since we still arent sure how everything will go ingame...
Thats also one of the reason why we wont ally with anybody; no use in allying with another guild, just for a chitchat here :P
Offcourse we see all others guild as our friends in this big PS community and we also wish every guild and solo member the best!
\"May the Illuminatis be with you.\"
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Hey ! The Evil One is back on the boards !
I know i am late but, i wish OI good luck and all that stuff a guild needs :P
One of the best guild as to me... Maybe the best guild ... after mine of course 8)
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Better late than never, Yann. :P
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Quit bugging me with the \" I\'m okay you\'re okay\" hippie crap. The Shadowhand are incompetent fools and I\'m beggining to suspect the same for Ordo Idioti or whatever. I tried not to be rude for a long time ( make a note Kada) but this sickly sweet \"ooooh! love your website\", \"oh my! you\'re so marvelous\" tripe is really gettin on my nerves. So i\'ll sum it up for you fools :
1. Good website.
2. Hopefully will be a great guild SOMEDAY!
FIN
Now give it a rest or i\'ll make tanning your hides my personal agenda.
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LMAO. Quite true.
Ordo Illuminatis have a great webbie, but are no better at the moment than any guild. I didn\'t see the \'Oh u\'r gonna be so great, CONGRATS!!!!\' when the flame warriors guild came out, lol. 8)
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You\'ll be eating those words soon enough, Auran. With such dedicated and experienced players in Illuminatis, there\'s no way this is going to be a two-week guild.
It should occur to you that the appraisal Kada has received has been earnt to the very last letter with a lot of hard work. These guys even have devvies lending a hand on the site, you know?
Besides, nobody is forcing you to be here, reading this thread. If the comments here are \"bugging you\", go somewhere else.
(I\'m speaking totally out of my role as a moderator here, so don\'t take the \'go somewhere else\' as an order. I\'m just sticking up for friends. :P)
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Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
Originally posted by Auran
Anyways good guild concept and site. I hope you are successful.
You two were saying anything? :D
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As Draklar so nicely pointed out, some of those nice comments were actually made by Cabal members and I appreciated that.
People have kindly taken the time to congratulate us and wish us luck, why all of a sudden should this bother you? If you have nothing constructive left to say, then say nothing, I don\'t need your pointless comments and cheap insults.
If this is some wierd Cabal attempt to reassert themsleves as \'the bad guys\', then fine - I\'m happy to take offense at your insults and your guild and oppose you, if that\'s what you want, just try being a bit more consistent maybe, you can\'t seem to decide whether you\'re a decent guy or not Auran and that \'tripe\' as you put it, is starting to get tired.
Originally posted by Mogura
These guys even have devvies lending a hand on the site, you know?
We do?
Anyway, thanks for the support Moogie :)
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I thought acraig was going to lend a hand with the avatars or something? Maybe I got the wrong idea, oh well. :)
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
Originally posted by Auran
Anyways good guild concept and site. I hope you are successful.
You two were saying anything? :D
Did I say anything against what I said before? I still think:
Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
I just don\'t like the fact that if a newbie did as much work on a guild, then they\'d get nowhere near the same amount of congrats. This is just my opinion. and most of u\'ll prob disagree.
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Originally posted by Kada-El
why all of a sudden should this bother you?
Doesn\'t bother me at all. Just backing up my guiild m8. :D
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well...
Originally posted by Xordan
I didn\'t see the \'Oh u\'r gonna be so great, CONGRATS!!!!\' when the flame warriors guild came out, lol. 8)
I\'ve seen you saying Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful.
while on flame warriors thread:
Originally posted by Xordan
YAY,
*slaughtering killin stupid flame thingies*
Gd luck with the guild. :D
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Originally posted by Xordan
I just don\'t like the fact that if a newbie did as much work on a guild, then they\'d get nowhere near the same amount of congrats.
You may be right and have nearly have a point, but Ordo Illuminatis is the result of months of discussions and work, if a newbie did the same then they wouldn\'t be a newbie, they\'d have been around for ages ;)
Dismissing the guild as \'Ordo Idioti\' is a personal insult to something, I and others, have worked extremely hard on and is nothing but flaming to provoke a response. I have not once attacked The Cabal and indeed have tried to help on occasion, I\'m sure Auran is only trying to RP evil, but in my opinion there are much better ways than resorting to that.
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That\'s because it was hard to tell whether or not the Flame Warriors actually existed or if Sarios was just trying bored one day and made a website.
And also, you would congradulate someone you know more than a complete stranger wouldn\'t you?
Also, Ordo Illuminatis looks a lot cooler than Flame Warriors.
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Originally posted by Xordan
Originally posted by Xordan
Great site, I think this guild\'ll be one of the most successful. :D
I just don\'t like the fact that if a newbie did as much work on a guild, then they\'d get nowhere near the same amount of congrats. This is just my opinion. and most of u\'ll prob disagree.
So, your telling me that, if a guild member of yours for example, created a fansite...you would not support that anymore then you would a newbies fansite?
Yes, sure...I believe that. If your going to be jerks and least have a reason instead of jumping around like this and say things you actually mean, otherwise it just makes people disregard you even more.
You don\'t congratulate people on their website, and then get mad at others for doing the exact same thing, no matter how many do, it still makes you seem stupid. (now, I could see if it was the spam that was annoying...)
See, it made me laugh at your posts instead of me thinking your \"jerks\", I just group you with the idiots and I don\'t think of you any better or worse then the next newbie I yell at (even though I know most of you are not).
Well, even if you don\'t agree with me, that\'s ok, at least I made you read this far into it :P
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Originally posted by Kada-El
Dismissing the guild as \'Ordo Idioti\' is a personal insult to something, I and others, have worked extremely hard on and is nothing but flaming to provoke a response.
I have said nothing of the sort. (But it did make my class laugh in school when they read it.)
So, your telling me that, if a guild member of yours for example, created a fansite...you would not support that anymore then you would a newbies fansite?
No, I wouldnt. I don\'t have time for fansites at all. I\'m not speaking for anyone else though.
Well, even if you don\'t agree with me, that\'s ok, at least I made you read this far into it :P
Of course I disagree, makes life less boring. :D
(btw, I have nothing against Ordo Illuminatis, and, yes due to it\'s members it won\'t be a 2 week guild. As I said before, just sticking up for my guild m8. This did liven the thread up a bit. ;) )
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Originally posted by Xordan
I have said nothing of the sort.
I know you didn\'t Xordan, I wasn\'t having a dig at you, it was just a general comment to explain where I\'m coming from ;)
I understand you standing by your guild and it\'s members, we would all do the same :)
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ok, no prob then. :) :]
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Meh! and you ppl thought I didn\'t know my business! My post got you guys worked up for quite a while:D. Now if that isn\'t good evil RPing I dont know what is. Draklar or some other of you kids here might think that good evil RPing is about being some glorified Fell Knight or something but thats just being pompous and \'holier than thou\' like. Evil exists in lack of empathy. So if you admire me I aint as evil as I would have liked to be hence I am not a Fell knight or Antipaladin or some idiot like that.
Dismissing the guild as \'Ordo Idioti\' is a personal insult to something, I and others, have worked extremely hard on and is nothing but flaming to provoke a response
Buzzzzzzzzzzzz! wake up call! I am RPing Evil :D. Anyhow I was just testing you guys to see if you were really neutral and willing to tolerate trifles like that or like our buddies from the Rangers here. Hipocrites I call you. Why our lovely Kada here was fine when I lampooned the Mirth, Rangers and the other good filth in most of our previous two threads with insults worse than this.
RPing aside
I dont have anything against anyone here. If you guys hate me then that is becaue my character was engineered to be hated, I dont take that personally. Personally I couldn\'t care less about any of you ppl (Xept Mooglaroo: She\'s really sweet. I wouldn\'t want her to get me wrong ;)). Its just a game and you are players: end of story. Only Annah managed to get me angry for a moment. Grats Annah!;):D
If you guys want to really help me out then could you give me an idea of the average age of the gamers on PS? I\'ll adjust my insults to the correct level then.
BTW- I like the name \'Ordo Idioti\". Someone should start a guild called that.;):D
About Xordan
My brother Xordan is a great guy. He stood up for the guild even when he didn\'t like the things going on here. This is a guy that you\'d kill to get in your guild. I am glad he\'s with us.
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Auran, the point is, either your RPing evil or your not, you seem to go from being nice to just blurting out random things to make people mad...just stick with one or the other.
And your version of \"evil\" is what I refer to as idiot, by that I mean the be as annoying as you possibly can, in fact we had a guild whose goal was that once...they were not RPing at all and acted just as you do when RPing :P, and I wouldn\'t call that anywhere close to evil, but whatever, there is different definitions for everything.
Anyways, you don\'t seem to get the fact that Ordo Illuminatis is NOT neutral, we said non-aligned Which means we do what we want, good, neutral, or evil.
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Originally posted by Auran Buzzzzzzzzzzzz! wake up call! I am RPing Evil :D. Anyhow I was just testing you guys to see if you were really neutral and willing to tolerate trifles like that or like our buddies from the Rangers here. Hipocrites I call you. Why our lovely Kada here was fine when I lampooned the Mirth, Rangers and the other good filth in most of our previous two threads with insults worse than this.
Being non-aligmented has nothing to do with this. Whatever our beliefs are, we will always stand up for ourself if someone attacks our guild in any way with any reason. And it doesnt matter if its just something small or a big thing.
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This is all so pointless, just let it rest.
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Even tho OI isn\'t alligned...
Originally posted by Auran
Buzzzzzzzzzzzz! wake up call! I am RPing Evil :D. Anyhow I was just testing you guys to see if you were really neutral and willing to tolerate trifles like that
Originally posted by Draklar
Auran, neutral means (more or less) they mind their own business. People that are neutral aren\'t tolerating evil. They are against murdering and stuff like that.
Maybe you should wake up yourself :P ;)
Thinking neutral means someone is tolerating insults is ummm.... silly? :P
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Originally posted by Keldorn
This is all so pointless, just let it rest.
Very true Keldorn, I think we have said all we need to on this matter.
Moogie - please go ahead and delete any future Cabal posts on this thread which you think have the sole purpose of stirring up trouble for the sake of it.
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Heh! I love that. You guys expect me to justify what I do or say? :D.
Anyhow let sleeping dogs lie. I hope I didn\'t piss the OI off too bad(hey I like Kada:D ..whoever has seen her tavern site would;)).
Look at it this way:
Atleast this stopped the \"You\'re so great, I\'m so great\" crap that was going on here. Mission Accomplished! :D. (And sep thought he could defeat me at this! HAH!)
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Non-aligned means, like... you do whatever you think is the best idea depending on what your individual members think.
Is it right? Do I get something if it is?
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Well, really it\'s what is best for the guild decided by the council...but basically yeah, that\'s right...and your prize is me not writing something long and confusing explaining it, which I would have undoubtebly done. :)
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Originally posted by shadowmancer
Non-aligned means, like...
It also gives our members the freedom to role-play their characters exactly how they want to. If they want to fight evil at every turn they can, or if they choose to live out the darker side of life they have the ability to do that too, as long as they abide by the guild rules and principles and work for the good of the guild as a whole, then they will ultimately benefit and prosper within our organisation.
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sounds kinda like chaotic allignment to me :P
I mean chaotic is about freedom, adaptability, and flexibility.
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i like that thats a very cool way of doing things so noone feels restrained by there guild rank.
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Originally posted by Draklar
sounds kinda like chaotic allignment to me :P
I mean chaotic is about freedom, adaptability, and flexibility.
yup.. If they were to ever be branded a specific alignment, Chaotic Neutral would indeed be it :P
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i want to join :)
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2 pages of old, rotting, smelly spam cleared from this thread. Sorry I\'m late, Kada.
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2 pages cleared and still four pages here..
in the name of the Ordo: thank you for clearing those 2 :)
EDIT: make that five :)
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Well if the Cable want to be hated, let\'s hate them. Best way to do that is to ignore them to death, so if they post don\'t respond at all just delete it.
Anyway, Ordo is a great concept and you lot seem to be a nice bunch so let\'s get the thread back onto something constructive.
I was wondering what angle the guild intends to take in Yliakum? In other words, are you going to act mainly as a unit pursueing common goals or is the alliance looser in the sense that each members pursues their own goals and you all helping each other with that. Not that I want to pry and if this is sensitive then just ignore me too :D
So many guilds intend to get power and dominate the world, although I think it highly unlikely that any will ever succeed since gameplay is unlikely to make that possible. Very few actually have constructive goals and the aim of achieving something.
For example in AO one of our goals is to build a library on Magic. It will be private and collect as much knowledge on magic in Yliakum as possible. Yet it will be open to a select few that have shown a true commitment to magic. In otherwords working for a cause that has a value of it\'s own in Yliakum.
Well if you are not confused yet .... I have to stop anyway cause Moogi hates longwinded post. :D
BTW Xolon I did answer your question in OI forum on the song I quoted.
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Originally posted by Altharion
i want to join :)
Rule #1 - Joining the Guild.
The only way for an individual to become a member of Ordo Illuminatis is for an existing member to put forward a proposal to the Council via the organisational hierarchy. The Council will then take a vote on the potential member and if successful decide upon the position the new recruit will occupy in the guild structure (refer to the Structure page for further information on the lifecycle of a member).
So, you have to get someone inside help you get in. Sorry.
Edit: Post messed up. :P
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Originally posted by Wolfmane
I was wondering....
Oops a question I have missed, sorry Wolfmane. Ah well the guild post could do wih a bump anyway ;)
My vision is that the structure of the guild is such that it is an organisation that can provide the most effective network of support for its members in terms of skills, materials, resources and protection to allow those members to concentrate and specialise on those skills in which he or she excels, each House with it?s different skills working together to support each other, thus ensuring the guild as a whole has a wealth of knowledge and a mastery of many disciplines. We hope that the guild?s progress, mastery and discoveries will be instrumental in the advancement of all Yliakum civilisation, not just OI.
I hope that this overall non-aligned structure gives individuals a great deal of freedom, to RP their characters exactly how they choose, as long as that doesn\'t conflict with the guild\'s interests of course ;)
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i just felt like adding a comment about that non alligned beeing neutral discussion.
pure evil can never rule all for true evil means chaos and chaos cannot be controlled,thus it will become weak one day and be overwhelmed starting from zero.
pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.
but chaos is also change and progression.
true neutral wants to keep balance at all cost and chaotic neutral is something like beeing selfish,not caring about black or white.
now the idea of OI,if i get it right,is to support its members no matter how they live their lifes.
and it is not their intention to balance nor to just linger through life looking for personal advantages.
it is just a home you can rely on,go back and relax.
someone helping you and helping the whole of ps as long as noone steps on their foot.(german expression i hope it makes sense:))
gosh difficult to explain in english,hope you get my point.
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Pure evil is not chaos; the truest evil is complete selfishness.
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and if everybody is beeing completely selfish,what does that lead too?
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Originally posted by mucera
pure evil can never rule all for true evil means chaos and chaos cannot be controlled,thus it will become weak one day and be overwhelmed starting from zero.
pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.
but chaos is also change and progression.
true neutral wants to keep balance at all cost and chaotic neutral is something like beeing selfish,not caring about black or white.
You have to take into account that there are more than one guild in the system, and that they\'ll have to interact.
For instance, your devoted good won\'t have the chance to stagnate if some evil is around. Evil might not be able to \"rule\" all, but their goal is to feed on good. IMHO, it\'s all about equilibrium between those trends, it would be boring if every guild had the same alignment, as it would be boring if the members of a guild were only living by themselves, without interacting with others.
Chaotic is not selfish at all, I think. It\'s more about the path you choose to accomplish what you think is right for you, isn\'t it ? It could be helping others, for instance, but the way you feel it, without following predictable rules.
now the idea of OI,if i get it right,is to support its members no matter how they live their lifes.
and it is not their intention to balance nor to just linger through life looking for personal advantages.
it is just a home you can rely on,go back and relax.
someone helping you and helping the whole of ps as long as noone steps on their foot.(german expression i hope it makes sense:))
gosh difficult to explain in english,hope you get my point.
Yes, that\'s the idea, except it\'s not only a house to \"relax\", we expect our members to be active and to strive for the guild\'s success ! We support them whatever path they choose, but once again we have rules they have to respect. One of them which is important is that they have to support each other, like Kada said. That implies some constraints on the behaviour.
But we are not stuck to define ourselves as something as simple as \"lawful good\" or \"chaotic good\" etc... we are just ourselves, following a common goal and respecting the necessary rules accordingly.
Following a common goal, and respecting the structure we have, also implies that now and then the members may have to follow a directive given by the Council, if the need for it occurs. So to summarise it, we have a common goal but every one chooses freely the way to achieve his or her part.
PS: We have the same expression in french, I wouldn\'t know about english, though ;)
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the relax part was probably misunderstood:)
you maybe right although i think there is a difference between chaos and beeing chaotic in allignment.
chaos cannot serve good but a chaotic good character can.
it was just bothering me that people took nonalligned for beeing chaotic neutral which is not the case.
difficult to explain,hmpf
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but you have wrong view on chaotic-neutral, here (http://www.gamebanshee.com/neverwinternights/alignments/images/chaoticneutral.jpg) is best description i found so far :)
and as for: pure good means stagnation for pure good does not tolerate chaos.
I\'d say pure good might be neutral-good (cleric), not lawful-good (paladin)
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ah, yet another alignment discussion. :(
Back on topic:
You have a very nice site, just the italics bother me... it\'s harder to read IME.
Oh, what are special awards? Why/to who are they given...?
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The question is interesting, is a non-aligned guild behaving, macroscopically, like a chaotic one ?
But I think looking at the guild as a whole is meaningless, in this case anyway. For instance, in OI, each House is in charge for particular jobs. Saying the guild as a whole is xyz-aligned doesn\'t make sense, it depends on what kind of action you\'re considering. Is it about fighters ? Or crafters ? teachers ? Some Houses will probably act *a little as if they were* good-aligned, others as neutral.
I don\'t like generalising though, we\'re not asking people what alignment they\'ll follow before allowing them into their chosen House. It\'s just that some jobs may tend to be chosen by people thinking in a typical way, like fighters and teachers.
Draklar : it\'s exactly how I see it, thanks for the screenie (good game btw) ;)
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hmm yes.thats more or less what i said it to be:)
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
ah, yet another alignment discussion. :(
Back on topic:
I think it\'s on topic, there are not many non-aligned guilds, and clarifying / discussing it is interesting, albeit I don\'t feel a real need to declare a strict alignment. Like Kada said somewhere else, we usually don\'t say openly how we act, it doesn\'t bring anything to the gameplay, quite the opposite IMHO. And on the other hand, I don\'t like boiling down a behaviour to two words, it is more complex and more dynamic that just that.
You have a very nice site, just the italics bother me... it\'s harder to read IME.
Oh, what are special awards? Why/to who are they given...?
Thank you for the feedback, Lynx, it is welcome. What browser are you using ?
The Special Awards are described when you make your mouse pointer fly over them. If you don\'t see the description in a tooltip, please PM me your configuration, so that we can fix that. Thank you again :]
They will mostly be used later, as you can guess, probably and hopefully in Cristal Blue.
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hmm yes.thats more or less what i said it to be
i refer to this:
Originally posted by mucera
chaotic neutral is something like beeing selfish,not caring about black or white.
i\'d rather put that in true neutral as \'mind your own business\' :P
and yea, i can see your point, Cad
i guess that\'s right :)
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I\'d like to say something about the topic of alignments and I hope Kada-El excuses my doing it on her guild thread but since this was the site of a recent discussion so............... you get the idea:).
Anyway what I have to say is this:
It is foolish to try to define alignments. After all alignments are not about what you think you are. Its the way the majority feels you are. So I think it is a folly to decide on an alignment and try to fit its description or justifying to prove your belonging to it. If you think you are chaotic and another disagrees what difference does it make? You wont amend to fit their conceptions nor will they change their views to match yours. Lets just let everything be and everyone think what they want. It doesn\'t harm and more importantly you cant help it.
Since the alignment system is a ripoff from d&d i\'d like to register an observation I made. It is that no one bothers about what alignment they themselves are. If say \"Joe\" intentionally broke his neighbours window and got away with it. Now some might say Joe is chaotic evil others might say Joe is chaotic neutral and still others might say Joe was chaotic good if say this neighbour was particularly grouchy and confiscated the balls of kids if they happened to land in his garden. A long drawn philosophical debate might be carried on about this but the simple fact is does joe care? He just enjoyed breaking his neighbours window:). I guess my point is do what you want to and let the people think what they want. They cannot change you nor you can them so it hardly matters in the end.
With that I conclude my statement. I am happy if you agree and I gladly accept your judgement if you don\'t:).
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I do not agree :D
if Joe just enjoyed breaking the window, he\'s chaotic-evil
if he did that because this neighbour was particularly grouchy and confiscated the balls of kids if they happened to land in his garden then he\'s chaotic-good
it isn\'t how others see him, neither how he sees himself.
If he did that for fun then it doesn\'t matter that guy was grouchy and stuff. He still did it just for fun of destroying things, so he\'s chaotic-evil.
so yes, it\'s not what you think you are
and no, it\'s not how majority feels you are.
It\'s simply how you behave, what are your intentions.
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Since I haven\'t done it before, allow me to welcome you here, Luminar :)
I think you made your point quite nicely, and I can\'t agree more on this. Except that some people will actually pay attention to their chosen alignment or character definition, and stick to it in their behaviour, not the opposite.
It\'s their choice, if they do it right we can only admire them and enjoy playing with them. But unfortunately, this is also often badly used as an excuse to do anything that please them. In any case, it is not easy to keep consistent in one\'s behaviour when it has to correspond to an artificial definition, and it often ends up in a bad caricature of a character.
About guild\'s alignment, maybe we just have to see that as statistics, and maybe a way to help new people getting the whole picture more easily. But honestly I prefer to read their beliefs in details, when they care to state it on their website ;)
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I\'m using Opera7.23. The descriptions are there, just had no clue I had to hover over the images to get them.
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
I\'m using Opera7.23. The descriptions are there, just had no clue I had to hover over the images to get them.
Right, we should put some kind of hint about that.
There are also a few things that need to be fixed, especially for Opera. Javascript is terrible for that, you have to manage the difference between browsers for most of the code.
Oh, and you won\'t see the transparency effect in the forums, with Opera or Netscape, too bad. Maybe in a future release ... ;)
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Jep, a hint would be good.
Heh, Javascript is just fine... one has to sometimes disable pop-up blocking, though.
Read this:
http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=368
...so you just have to use standard functions etc...
The transparency are working. 8)
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so yes, it\'s not what you think you are
and no, it\'s not how majority feels you are.
but it is what draklar the mighty thinks you are;).
I am not going to get drawn into any debates. As I said:
\"if you dont agree I bow to your judgement\"
plus OI wont appreciate if we cluttered their threads.
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I think you have some very good points Luminar, and it is kind of on topic ;)
Here\'s what I wrote on another thread about selecting alignments, I think it echos some of the points you made Luminar:
Originally posted by Kada-El
What is the actual point of having personal alignments? Is it just to back up the role playing of a character and to allow a games mechanics know how to react to you in a certain situation e.g. interacting with an NPC of certain alignment.
Perhaps I am missing the point, but in life we aren\'t branded with the fact that we are incredibly evil or a do gooder, people judge us by our actions and reputation, shouldn\'t true RPing in a persistent world be the same? Or in terms of a game needing some reference to judge us by, then couldn\'t it use some kind of karma/reputation type system (I\'m sure we have discussed this before), whereby your ingame deeds score accordingly? This way the many shades of good and evil might be better reflected and those who are truly good/evil would really have to work hard at achieving such a pure reputation. What could be more satisfying than knowing you have really earned your reputation of pure evil and are feared because of it ;)
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Its nice of you to say such words kada. Seldom do the greats appreciate newbie banter:P. I like you. If ever I may serve you in any way please allow me the honour:).
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Originally posted by Luminar
so yes, it\'s not what you think you are
and no, it\'s not how majority feels you are.
but it is what draklar the mighty thinks you are;).
you know... that was pretty lame :rolleyes:
I mean cutting out the context:
It\'s simply how you behave, what are your intentions.
and as i said before:
Originally posted by Draklar
And for me saying alignments are pointless is like saying same about classes:
You don\'t need to name your alignment - you just do what you do
You don\'t need to name your class - you just are who you are
sure you can forget about them, but that won\'t help you with building your character. It\'s much easier to do so, if you know what should you move around.
edit: i found the missing point, Kada :P
alignment is what are your goals and ways of doing stuff, not how people see you - alignment and reputation are different things
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alignment in my opinion is your character...what you do when some poor xacha dropped his bag of scrolls...that sort of thing. Of course it is also determined by your actions against other people and how far you will go to get what you want or to help others. draklar i think has the right idea. reputation is what your known for.
alignment is more what your values, your goals are. an evil cunning person could very eisily build up a \"good\" reputation with the intent to use that covertly to their advantage. your good friend who has done alot for you may be the one whos been killing and robbing people on the streets at night, while he has arranged for the blame to fall on someone more known for evil acts. ;)
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Forgive my slow reaction - I just wanna sleep... zZZ... Oh, yes, sorry. Great site (I\'ve visited it - fantastic HTML-coding, I love it). But about the alignment discussion - guys let\'s just wait and see what CB will be. Then we can start to add some new ideas to it.
PS imho the best idea is the idea of karma that changes upon your good and evil deeds...and makes you play a little different (my exp in NWN says that w\\o this you WILL be good - it\'s easier and it has more profit in it). Evil must have profit in Evil and Good ... in Good...
Another thing i... zZZ...
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I agree with everyone. Let it rest:).
BTW karma Idea is indeed good. It\'d be perfect with a few modifications but all this will unneccessarily complicate the devs\' job.
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oh, wait i didn\'t notice that Kada was talking about selecting alignment in-game :P
ok, i agree that would be pointles and there won\'t be selecting alignments anyways, but i have lawful-evil alignment and i didn\'t select it anywhere in-game ;)
Best idea is to not implement it ingame so it will be roleplaying purposes only. Again, it\'s like classes (selecting them won\'t be implemented too).
oh, and karma is good idea for cRPG, but i\'m not sure if it wouldn\'t be waste of coding time in mmorpg. Only famous people should be known to NPCs. Not to mention it would discourage roleplaying life.
Unless you want NPCs know every single character, but that wouldn\'t be too realistic. From my experience in p&p RPGs you aren\'t that well known and when you talk with NPCs it\'s all about charisma (and a bit of karma if you\'re on \"wanted\" list ;)).
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Beating a Dead Horse Because I Feel Like It:
The obvious answer to the question of what \"alignment\" this \"un-aligned\" guild has is that the alignment is *towards the guild*. That is, the only constraint on the members behaviour is that it is done within guild rules and (to some degree) for guild benefit. Nebulous concepts of \"good\", \"evil\", \"law\" and \"chaos\" function as a useful standard and starting point in D&D, but don\'t wholly capture the essence of \"alignment\" to a particular cause. Some things that someone views as evil might be viewed by others as good, etc. It is only appropriate that alignments to a specific cause do not fit within the limited scope of the standard alignment framework.
To change stance and stuff the guild back into a standard alignment framework, I would say that the organization itself is Truly Neutral; not that it favours members of that alignment, but that the structure itself favours neither law nor chaos, evil nor good
(... to continue to draw this out, it could be argued that membership in a guild and conformance to rules is an indication of a non-chaotic alignment, at least in some degree... )
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Originally posted by dfryer
Some things that someone views as evil might be viewed by others as good, etc.
yea, but only if one\'s mind is messed up enough to see good as evil.
Something that is right for one may be wrong for other but you can\'t say that about good/evil because most people know when they\'re evil or good.
Rakera: If you\'d read a bit more, you\'d know that Kada had nothing against that discussion on OI thread. And geez... stop spamming
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Originally posted by Draklar
yea, but only if one\'s mind is messed up enough to see good as evil.
Something that is right for one may be wrong for other but you can\'t say that about good/evil because most people know when they\'re evil or good.
I\'m not sure I understand how there is a distinction between the pair of right & wrong and the pair of good & evil. (How can one be relative and the other absolute? Anyway, this is probably not a suitable discussion for this forum!)
I am not sure even the mass-murdering dictators of the 20th century thought themselves evil. There are many issues on which people are very divided, to the extent that they would call the opposing view \"evil\". We should probably end that train of thought there, before people actually bring up issues that turn this into a total flame-fest.
For the purposes of game-playing, I believe that evil refers to the service of self at the expense of others, while good is the service of others at the expense of self.
The service of some *other goal* might be considered a different alignment- say, aligned with nature, to the exclusion of all else.
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All I can say is...wait, I\'ve already answered this question before, haven\'t I?
*Xandria uses the search feature*
Doesn\'t this sound familiar? (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=5981&boardid=19&page=2#25) ;)
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Woo, another alignment discussion. :rolleyes:
Let\'s get back on topic, shall we? There\'s a myriad of other threads that alignments are discussed in, and one of them was actually made for that purpose in Hydlaa Plaza. Beat the dead horse there all you want. :P
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Originally posted by Mogura
one of them was actually made for that purpose in Hydlaa Plaza.
you mean the one where people started saying how alignments are pointless? :P
listen to Xandria... he speaks wisely :]
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Originally posted by Mogura
Woo, another alignment discussion. :rolleyes:
Let\'s get back on topic, shall we? There\'s a myriad of other threads that alignments are discussed in, and one of them was actually made for that purpose in Hydlaa Plaza. Beat the dead horse there all you want. :P
beating dead horses is a favourite thing for most people around here... So you might as well let them...
plus it\'s a really good song by Gun\'s N\' Roses...
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Bah, sorry about the off topic post; I think I was in here at 1a.m. this morning. Most likely I couldn\'t remember what thread I was in :D
Well at least Draklar thinks I made a good point, it seems no one else in that old thread read it...
I agree, tis a topic that we will never settle, so best to leave it alone (perhaps another sub-forum next to PvP: \"Alignment discussion: duke it out here\" :P)
OT: Hey, maybe I should post my intro in the OI forums so I can start my initiation... :P
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Originally posted by Xandria
OT: Hey, maybe I should post my intro in the OI forums so I can start my initiation... :P
Sounds like a great idea to me ;)
P.S. thanks for the clean up again Moogie :)
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This is one hell-of-a guild Ive ever seen..and Kadas seems to be doing very good job running all these places(Tavern,taverns foorum,Oi page,etc.)
All I \"little mortal\" can do Is take my hood of and show some respect
:) bloody good job